First Person Discussion.

[poland stronk]

I can't stand playing in FPP for long as there are many camera issues. I can't look all the way down on foot and in vehicle, limiting my field of view, also the blurred mirrors make driving harder, because those mirrors are in car for a reason. I hate that I can't extend the FOV to 90 degrees and that the game doesn't have better animations for driving and moving on foot. Also there are points that I get switched to TPP because someone was too lazy.

 

I don't say FPS mode is bad, it just needs to be improved as now it's rather hard to mantain full control of a character if I can't see what is going on around him.

[Geralt of Rivia]

I'm not completely sure, but I don't think FPV mods come with ANY new animations.

[Official General]

 

In all honesty I'm not totally against it. What bothers me is thst Rockstar could and should have added much more important and essential improvements to the gameplay and content in the NG versions first before including stuff like FPV. You know stuff like more interiors, more crime-related side missions, better ped and gang AI, buying safe house properties in SP etc.

 

Important to you, or important to who made the game?

 

Sure, they could have asked you personally what you thought was important and in need of being implemented, but then some other person will complain that they didn't get what they wanted personally.

 

FPS games are huge in the scene of gaming in the last decade. The majority of gamers like FPS games so, First Person View is something that more people will/would use than something that an individual wants. It wouldn't make sense to not have it in every GTA from here on out, OR until FPS style games and their popularity tapers off.

 

EDIT: The harsh business side of this is that R* has to implement things that will SELL more copies so, they wanted to get that FPS player base. I'm not saying they don't care, but they have to operate as a business. If there is a number one and two priority then SELL implementations are more important than things that will please people who already have the game

 

If they don't sell then they can't create in the future. give and take, unfortunately.

Important to me and many other GTA fans who think like me, yes. I kind of understand what you're saying, but at the same time I don't fully agree with it. I don't believe the majority of gamers today prefer FPS, I think it's just down to the fact that there not enough games of other genres out there that are great enough to compete with the FPS best sellers because not enough effort is being put into these genres, the focus is on FPS, so the younger gamers don't know any better. GTA V didn't break sales records because of its FPV, so that refutes your argument. And just because FPS are the current popular trend in the gaming industry in recent years, it don't mean that every damn game from other genres must be automatically lumped with FPS features that take priority over more traditional and relevant features already established in those games in order to satisfy every other gamer jumping on the FPS bandwagon. That's the reason why GTA has been the great success it's been, because it's trademark features and game design had always stood out as something unique among the much longer established and usual game genres like FPS, platformers, beat em ups etc. Trends like you described and your cant-beat them-join-them attitude are just the reason why I'm not excited about the gaming industry as much as I used to be anymore. Now every f*cking game must have at least some FPS feature to compete with the likes of COD, it's pathetic. And to think Rockstar would finally cave in to such sheep mentality it's very surprising and sad to say the least.

 

It's simple for me, if Rockstar continue to f*ck up GTA like they have done with V, I'm just gonna give up on the series and replay older GTAs.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Official General

[J Cobra]

All I'm seeing is "Rockstar is trying to be the new COD". So a bunch of games must be trying to be COD, since every game is starting to have a FPV. GTA V is an Open World crime game, Call of Duty is a futuristic First Person shooter war game. Learn the difference, they're nothing a like. And think, why would Rockstar even copy off of COD? What could GTA V get out of COD?

Edited August 11, 2015 by J Cobra

[Osho]

What could GTA V get out of COD?

Why don't you take Online into account?

Then, you may see what the game ( as an Online experience ) could benefit than being criticized by those who have been into COD, and such experiences.

[A.O.D.88]

I don't see Rockstar as trying to copy or become COD! What they did with V in regards to FPV is add a new feature to the game that is uniquely tailored to bring a new level of immersion to your V gameplay.

 

It is also completely interchangeable with 3rd person at any time which I like as I can mix and match role play scenarios whenever I need.

 

So yeah overall its a well done addition to GTA V and GTA Online and it really has nothing to do with COD at all in my opinion.

[KyojinEM]

why would Rockstar even copy off of COD? What could GTA V get out of COD?

Money, consumer, online player, attention ?

COD is big and theres always new COD "content" via DLCs, new games, the series gets attraction

Rockstar knows about that cashcow

[J Cobra]

@Ohso Just because it has an Massive Online mode, does not mean it's trying to be COD. The concepts, and the way both games play are nothing a like. So the Online argument is total bullsh*t.

 

@emliiumium, Rockstar already has all that.

Edited August 11, 2015 by J Cobra

[Xing of Virtue]

I never played COD, but it seems like people are using it as the scape-goat for EVERYTHING.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Xing of Virtue

[Osho]

Dude, "Just because it has an Massive Online mode" kind of thinking apply to the developers or publishers who are indeed trying to secure a position in such a cashcow for a profitable source of revenue, which COD has been milking for years in the market with no major rival to threaten its position.

I mean, why would Zelnick refer Online as "the gift that keeps on giving"

Its really simple to understand. FPV just seems to be good in baiting for keeping the cashcow all the more healthy for those FPV fans

 

E: oops, wrong word!

Edited August 11, 2015 by Osho

[Geralt of Rivia]

I never played COD, but it seems as people are using it as the scape-goat for EVERYTHING.

It's the same mentality as the "What? This game got X review score!? Must be paid!"

 

Or

 

"What? This game didn't get X review score!? Must not have paid enough!"

[KyojinEM]

I never played COD, but it seems as people are using it as the scape-goat for EVERYTHING.

Call of Duty used to be great - World at War, COD4, MW2, Black Ops 1

Now its only hate and bad games

Although Advanced warfare isnt bad IMO

Edited August 11, 2015 by emiliumium

[Dangerous and sad]

 

 

In all honesty I'm not totally against it. What bothers me is thst Rockstar could and should have added much more important and essential improvements to the gameplay and content in the NG versions first before including stuff like FPV. You know stuff like more interiors, more crime-related side missions, better ped and gang AI, buying safe house properties in SP etc.

then the majority of people wouldn't have these features. Don't forget a marjority of people still play on LG. FPS was the perfect bait. Additional side missions would have seen a lot of outbursts on this Fourm from many people, including me.

Imagine the sh*tstorm that would happen if LG users didn't get those things.

 

 

In all honesty I'm not totally against it. What bothers me is thst Rockstar could and should have added much more important and essential improvements to the gameplay and content in the NG versions first before including stuff like FPV. You know stuff like more interiors, more crime-related side missions, better ped and gang AI, buying safe house properties in SP etc.

then the majority of people wouldn't have these features. Don't forget a marjority of people still play on LG. FPS was the perfect bait. Additional side missions would have seen a lot of outbursts on this Fourm from many people, including me.

Well then that would be tough luck if it happened. That's the whole point of a remastered game, it's supposed to be the premier edition of the original, that's the incentive to pay extra money for it, and in this case to get a new NG console. However the NG version only offered nicer graphics, FPV, wildlife photography, and a few new cars vehicles and weapons. Either way it was all very mediocre for a remaster anyway, so it don't matter no more.

@ JCobra

Unfortunately my view is that Rockstar did a lot of unnecessary and pointless things in V, not everything. Yoga, towing trucks, stocks and shares, are just to name a few. I just felt that FPV shouldn't have been high on their priority list for the NG version, if not unnecessary.

what they offered was just enough for many people. Adding the things like crime related side missions would have been an overkill. I'm pretty upset that LG doesn't add FPV, it could add a new perspective into the game but not getting crime side missions???. Gta V is my favourite game but it sure does lack in criminal activities for characters. Rockstar themselves know that adding criminal activities for NG only wouldn't be a smart move. Why should I pay over 400$ to buy a ps4/xbone, with GTA V to get some side missions that could have easily been added into Lg unlike FPV which is impossible to implement unless the LG version is dumbed down a lot. Like I said FPV was the perfect bait to buy a NG

[Heists]

 

 

 

In all honesty I'm not totally against it. What bothers me is thst Rockstar could and should have added much more important and essential improvements to the gameplay and content in the NG versions first before including stuff like FPV. You know stuff like more interiors, more crime-related side missions, better ped and gang AI, buying safe house properties in SP etc.

Important to you, or important to who made the game?

 

Sure, they could have asked you personally what you thought was important and in need of being implemented, but then some other person will complain that they didn't get what they wanted personally.

 

FPS games are huge in the scene of gaming in the last decade. The majority of gamers like FPS games so, First Person View is something that more people will/would use than something that an individual wants. It wouldn't make sense to not have it in every GTA from here on out, OR until FPS style games and their popularity tapers off.

 

EDIT: The harsh business side of this is that R* has to implement things that will SELL more copies so, they wanted to get that FPS player base. I'm not saying they don't care, but they have to operate as a business. If there is a number one and two priority then SELL implementations are more important than things that will please people who already have the game

 

If they don't sell then they can't create in the future. give and take, unfortunately.

 

Important to me and many other GTA fans who think like me, yes. I kind of understand what you're saying, but at the same time I don't fully agree with it. I don't believe the majority of gamers today prefer FPS, I think it's just down to the fact that there not enough games of other genres out there that are great enough to compete with the FPS best sellers because not enough effort is being put into these genres, the focus is on FPS, so the younger gamers don't know any better. GTA V didn't break sales records because of its FPV, so that refutes your argument. And just because FPS are the current popular trend in the gaming industry in recent years, it don't mean that every damn game from other genres must be automatically lumped with FPS features that take priority over more traditional and relevant features already established in those games in order to satisfy every other gamer jumping on the FPS bandwagon. That's the reason why GTA has been the great success it's been, because it's trademark features and game design had always stood out as something unique among the much longer established and usual game genres like FPS, platformers, beat em ups etc. Trends like you described and your cant-beat them-join-them attitude are just the reason why I'm not excited about the gaming industry as much as I used to be anymore. Now every f*cking game must have at least some FPS feature to compete with the likes of COD, it's pathetic. And to think Rockstar would finally cave in to such sheep mentality it's very surprising and sad to say the least.

It's simple for me, if Rockstar continue to f*ck up GTA like they have done with V, I'm just gonna give up on the series and replay older GTAs.

 

You know first person mode isn't only exclusive to gun combat right?

First person immerses the player into the world through other various things such as driving, flying, swimming, parachuting etc... After time you feel apart of the world from my experience when played exclusively in the view as things are more in your face and closer. GTA can now rival many more games with 1st Person and it's a logical step to extending it's reach to become the ultimate sandbox game.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Heists

[A.O.D.88]

I think you nailed it there temi, good post. I would also like to point out that we did in fact get extra missions in addition to the splashy new FPV.

 

We got Wildlife Photography missions added which added yet even more immersion as we are now able to explore Southern San Andreas's wilderness and majestic wildlife from a wonderful new perspective and purpose.

 

Man I just can't fathom why some on here keep saying there was no new content or missions added for Next-Gen! Rockstar gave us a lot!

Edited August 11, 2015 by A.O.D.88

[Heists]

I think you nailed it there temi, good post. I would also like to point out that we did in fact get extra missions in addition to the splashy new FPV.

 

We got Wildlife Photography missions added which added yet even more immersion as we were able to explore Southern San Andreas's wilderness and majestic wildlife from a wonder new perspective and purpose.

 

Man I just can't fathom why some on here keep saying there was no new content or missions added for Next-Gen! Rockstar gave us a lot!

They gave us a fair bit, but it seems alot of this stuff doesn't appeal to everyone. For me I was satisfied with the full game anyway so all this is just extras.

[A.O.D.88]

Yeah Heists I think it's the crowd who expected and demanded that V be San Andreas the HD remake are primarily the ones who don't appreciate all this splashy new content. Just my theory on it.

[Xing of Virtue]

San Andreas is the poison of all the corruption in the GTA community.

[A.O.D.88]

Well it definitely had the worst story and by far the worst protagonist which totally ruined its amazing map and countryside for me!

 

The PC version singlehandedly saved it though, of that there can be no doubt! I salute PC for that victory!!

Edited August 11, 2015 by A.O.D.88

[Official General]

@ Heists and A.O.D

 

I really don't see what flying, swimming, driving or parachuting in FPV is gonna do to make me like the feature more. It still don't provide me with more crime-related side missions, better side activities, more interiors, or more advanced ped and gang AI. It's nice to appreciate the beautiful scenery in V from different angles - but I didn't play GTA just to do sightseeing

[A.O.D.88]

There is an abundance of criminal stuff to engage in in V's sandbox world after the story. If one is creative, innovative, and imaginative enough, the criminal roleplaying possibilities are endless! I could literally conduct a Senate Filibuster with all the scenarios I've been war gaming!

 

First person adds a whole new level of immersion and greatly increases the possibilities even more than before. Like the proverbial icing on the cake!

[Heists]

@ Heists and A.O.D

 

I really don't see what flying, swimming, driving or parachuting in FPV is gonna do to make me like the feature more. It still don't provide me with more crime-related side missions, better side activities, more interiors, or more advanced ped and gang AI. It's nice to appreciate the beautiful scenery in V from different angles - but I didn't play GTA just to do sightseeing

It obviously doesn't just like those features won't provide a good first person view lol. The intention of FPV isn't to do what you have listed it is there to give the player another angle to experience the stuff you listed.

[Official General]

 

@ Heists and A.O.D

I really don't see what flying, swimming, driving or parachuting in FPV is gonna do to make me like the feature more. It still don't provide me with more crime-related side missions, better side activities, more interiors, or more advanced ped and gang AI. It's nice to appreciate the beautiful scenery in V from different angles - but I didn't play GTA just to do sightseeing

 

It obviously doesn't just like those features won't provide a good first person view lol. The intention of FPV isn't to do what you have listed it is there to give the player another angle to experience the stuff you listed.Well that's just my point mate - it's exactly why I have no interest or see any excitement or appeal in FPV in V. To me it's just another FPS, nothing special and in my opinion was never worth the time, resources, and effort compared to other stuff. Edited August 12, 2015 by Official General

[Choco Taco]

There is an abundance of criminal stuff to engage in in V's sandbox world after the story. If one is creative, innovative, and imaginative enough, the criminal roleplaying possibilities are endless!

 

I can pretend I'm burglarizing homes I can't even enter.

 

I can pretend I'm dealing drugs and setting up an empire.

 

I can pretend I'm stealing cars to be shipped off at the docks.

 

I can pretend I'm assassinating rivals.

 

I can pretend to claim some gang territory as my own.

 

They should just remove all story missions and we can pretend anything we want. That would be an awesome game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Osho]

San Andreas is the poison of all the corruption in the GTA community.

How about problems of IVs corruption?

[Cutter De Blanc]

 

There is an abundance of criminal stuff to engage in in V's sandbox world after the story. If one is creative, innovative, and imaginative enough, the criminal roleplaying possibilities are endless!

I can pretend I'm burglarizing homes I can't even enter.

 

I can pretend I'm dealing drugs and setting up an empire.

 

I can pretend I'm stealing cars to be shipped off at the docks.

 

I can pretend I'm assassinating rivals.

 

I can pretend to claim some gang territory as my own.

 

They should just remove all story missions and we can pretend anything we want. That would be an awesome game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hell, I can just turn the game off and pretend I'm playing it! Then there are no limits! Edited August 12, 2015 by Cutter De Blanc

[Choco Taco]

 

Hell, I can just turn the game off and pretend I'm playing it! Then there are no limits!

 

 

The graphics are incredible. 64K resolution and 50,000 FPS!!!

[Osho]

V only helps ( like every other open world game ) in *thinking* that you are able to easily create an illusion of being imaginative in a number of ways since its a fairly detailed world with an interesting potential for you, but its about enjoying a clear and convincing illusion to recognize this creative thoughts into virtual reality by some actual activities or tools through *gameplay* and see it in creative mode of action rather than simply keep fooling yourself into pretending something as some kind of imaginative action taking place on your TV/desktop in your brains.

Who the f*ck is stupid enough to waste hundreds of hours in pretending about being imaginative than actually see those creative ideas being reconstructed on screen in order to feel a sense of being inside those illusions through actual f*ckin' roleplaying tools.

For instance, I don't need to pretend in SA that I am roleplaying a burglar as the game gives me the tools to roleplay CJ as the same without wasting my brain cells in stupid imagination than actually play the goddamn thing as a burglar in the game.

[gooeyhole]

V only helps ( like every other open world game ) in *thinking* that you are able to easily create an illusion of being imaginative in a number of ways since its a fairly detailed world with an interesting potential for you, but its about enjoying a clear and convincing illusion to recognize this creative thoughts into virtual reality by some actual activities or tools through *gameplay* and see it in creative mode of action rather than simply keep fooling yourself into pretending something as some kind of imaginative action taking place on your TV/desktop in your brains.

Who the f*ck is stupid enough to waste hundreds of hours in pretending about being imaginative than actually see those creative ideas being reconstructed on screen in order to feel a sense of being inside those illusions through actual f*ckin' roleplaying tools.

For instance, I don't need to pretend in SA that I am roleplaying a burglar as the game gives me the tools to roleplay CJ as the same without wasting my brain cells in stupid imagination than actually play the goddamn thing as a burglar in the game.

Me.

 

You telling me you've never put on a suit on Niko and drove in the FIB Buffalo and play cop?

 

You haven't put a mask on Trevor and played serial killer?

 

You haven't replaying The Long Stretch(?) and taken L/Stretch into rival hoods?

 

You haven't gone on a speedboat with Michael and listen to LRR like an edgelord?

 

Edited August 12, 2015 by Canadian Badass

[Homemade Dynamite]

I never played COD, but it seems as people are using it as the scape-goat for EVERYTHING.

To be fair, if COD never existed then Halo wouldn't have been ruined because they wouldn't have something to shamelessly copy in favor of their own original gameplay.