The Elite Challenges Grand Leaderboard v2

[StangOne50]

I'm not sure anyone is bothered about any proof you can provide if these are the final results though:

 

(up to GTAplayer)

1) 8 sec 18 ,man 13

2) no 22 ,yes 9

3)no 11 ,yes 20

If this is what people want to do, why can't you accept it and move on? If you're not willing to accept it, your only solution is to step away, with the option of creating your own topic with other rules if you want to.

 

Because are they voting on which method is more accurate or are they following their friends.

I have given proof that 8 sec rule is not accurate.

No one has proven manual timing to not be accurate.

What more do you want than that?

All I want is accurate times and so should everyone else.

The recent fleeca video is a perfect example of the 8 sec rule not working.

Why is everyone ignoring this is what we should be asking.

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[madebyWITT]

 

I'm not sure anyone is bothered about any proof you can provide if these are the final results though:

 

(up to GTAplayer)

1) 8 sec 18 ,man 13

2) no 22 ,yes 9

3)no 11 ,yes 20

If this is what people want to do, why can't you accept it and move on? If you're not willing to accept it, your only solution is to step away, with the option of creating your own topic with other rules if you want to.

 

Because are they voting on which method is more accurate or are they following their friends.

I have given proof that 8 sec rule is not accurate.

No one has proven manual timing to not be accurate.

What more do you want than that?

All I want is accurate times and so should everyone else.

The recent fleeca video is a perfect example of the 8 sec rule not working.

Why is everyone ignoring this is what we should be asking.

 

We've been voting for 8 second subtraction because it's currently the most suitable for Current Gen and PC since the F&F update.

 

The 'proof' you claim is proving the 8 second theory inaccurate, is by comparring your manual timing and 8 second subtraction. I've asked you (continueously) to comparred pre- and post-F&F, which sadly you have failed to respond to (each and every time).

 

Update: It's no breaking news, but yet again Stang fails to respond to this.

 

Edit: Having two leaderboards on the same forum will likely only result in the same arguments (just about which leaderboard is more correct than the other) publicly or privately, I'm afraid.

Edited December 17, 2016 by madebyWITT

[Kirsty]

@Stang

 

I don't know why they are ignoring it, I can't say if you're right or wrong and I can't say whether they are voting for their friends or not, but surely if they want to get on the leaderboard legitimately then they would just vote for what they want? Everyone has a chance to change their mind if they want to, but so far no one is and these are the numbers we're dealing with.

 

Edit: Just seen the above post by madebyWITT. If there is further proof to provide, perhaps that's why people are staying quiet and prefer this method?

[§†range]

So 8 seconds unless manual time proves otherwise? Could be solved very easily, if the majority wants to use an unproven method so be it imo. Those times should not be included until verified and agreed upon by the community.

 

I see this as the only solution atm, unless we start 2 threads which may potentially start another sh*t storm in the long run.

[lkm-fi]

So 8 seconds unless manual time proves otherwise? Could be solved very easily, if the majority wants to use an unproven method so be it imo. Those times should not be included until verified and agreed upon by the community.

 

I see this as the only solution atm, unless we start 2 threads which may potentially start another sh*t storm in the long run.

 

I don't think so. A major point about 8s rule was to follow game timer and to avoid the arguing over every run.

[StangOne50]

 

So 8 seconds unless manual time proves otherwise? Could be solved very easily, if the majority wants to use an unproven method so be it imo. Those times should not be included until verified and agreed upon by the community.

 

I see this as the only solution atm, unless we start 2 threads which may potentially start another sh*t storm in the long run.

 

I don't think so. A major point about 8s rule was to follow game timer and to avoid the arguing over every run.

 

Ok but jacks run is a 4:38 is it not?, Im sure you timed it.

There is no doubt that is the fastest fleeca run out there is there?

BUT under the 8 sec rule he will not be awarded with the World Record.

Please explain this to me.

 

The major point I bring to the table is that R timers are not accurate even when they are working.

Saints fleeca is more like a 4:41 iirc but Jacks 4:38 ends up in a tie with him under 8 sec rule?

How? LOL

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[jack.kucher2]

So 8 seconds unless manual time proves otherwise? Could be solved very easily, if the majority wants to use an unproven method so be it imo. Those times should not be included until verified and agreed upon by the community.

 

I see this as the only solution atm, unless we start 2 threads which may potentially start another sh*t storm in the long run.

You have to remember that we don't agree on the manual timing method either. Stang and his side feel it should start from 1st player movement and there are many others that feel (including myself) that the manual times should begin from when all players have control.

 

The 8 sec rule solves this debate as well and sets a standard that is easily measurable without argument.

[lkm-fi]

 

 

So 8 seconds unless manual time proves otherwise? Could be solved very easily, if the majority wants to use an unproven method so be it imo. Those times should not be included until verified and agreed upon by the community.

 

I see this as the only solution atm, unless we start 2 threads which may potentially start another sh*t storm in the long run.

 

I don't think so. A major point about 8s rule was to follow game timer and to avoid the arguing over every run.

 

Ok but jacks run is a 4:38 is it not?, Im sure you timed it.

There is no doubt that is the fastest fleeca run out there is there?

BUT under the 8 sec rule he will not be awarded with the World Record.

Please explain this to me.

 

The major point I bring to the table is that R timers are not accurate even when they are working.

Saints fleeca is more like a 4:41 iirc but Jacks 4:38 ends up in a tie with him under 8 sec rule?

How? LOL

 

 

You could also just stop. I already responded to this on post #1494. Some of us have families and other interests in life too. Not everyone wants to go on with this circle forever.

 

Btw, about your earlier comment "Because are they voting on which method is more accurate or are they following their friends.". Rorxys question was "1) Until R* timers are fixed, do you prefer Manual Time method or 8 second rule going forward?"

 

Edited December 17, 2016 by lkm-fi

[§†range]

 

So 8 seconds unless manual time proves otherwise? Could be solved very easily, if the majority wants to use an unproven method so be it imo. Those times should not be included until verified and agreed upon by the community.

 

I see this as the only solution atm, unless we start 2 threads which may potentially start another sh*t storm in the long run.

You have to remember that we don't agree on the manual timing method either. Stang and his side feel it should start from 1st player movement and there are many others that feel (including myself) that the manual times should begin from when all players have control.

 

The 8 sec rule solves this debate as well and sets a standard that is easily measurable without argument.

 

I see, there is dispute when the manual time starts and stops. f*ck, OP in the end should have the final say in disputed times.

[StangOne50]

 

 

 

 

 

You could also just stop. I already responded to this on post #1494. Some of us have families and other interests in life too. Not everyone wants to go on with this circle forever.

 

I am simply asking a question.

How does saints 441 fleeca end up in a tie with jacks 438 fleeca under the 8 sec rule?

 

With manual timing the benefit is we can adjust the times to individual runs if needed.

With an 8 second rule its set in stone whether its correct or not.

We cant just give 2 videos the same time if they are not actually the same time.

If you run them side by side jack will finish 3 seconds faster but you want to call it a tie?

Thats right folks, 3 seconds faster!! But its a tie , sorry jack lol

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[lkm-fi]

 

 

 

 

 

 

You could also just stop. I already responded to this on post #1494. Some of us have families and other interests in life too. Not everyone wants to go on with this circle forever.

 

I am simply asking a question.

How does saints 441 fleeca end up in a tie with jacks 438 fleeca under the 8 sec rule?

 

With manual timing the benefit is we can adjust the times to individual runs if needed.

With an 8 second rule its set in stone whether its correct or not.

We cant just give 2 videos the same time if they are not actually the same time.

If you run them side by side jack will finish 3 seconds faster but you want to call it a tie?

Thats right folks, 3 seconds faster!! But its a tie , sorry jack lol

 

 

That has more to do with game timer being slightly off (2s) on that particular run (the old 4:39 fleeca wr run). With 8s rule, Jack's run is less than 1sec off. Please just stop, this isn't leading anywhere.

Edited December 17, 2016 by lkm-fi

[StangOne50]

So you mean the game timer that we are basing the 8 sec rule off of is off by 2 seconds? If its off by 2 seconds why would we use it?

 

Stop what bro? Im not allowed to ask questions about the new rules?

 

I just want to know how is a 441 run and a 438 run considered a tie?

 

Do I have to present a side by side comparison to explain what I am asking?

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[lkm-fi]

You know very well what I mean. Please don't continue with that. The old fleeca run was accepted a long time ago. And you said yourself you don't want to take the old record in fleeca down as it has been already submitted and accepted.

[StangOne50]

You know very well what I mean. Please don't continue with that. The old fleeca run was accepted a long time ago. And you said yourself you don't want to take the old record in fleeca down as it has been already submitted and accepted.

I didnt want to take it down until it was beat and now it has been beat by 3 seconds, but according to the 8 sec rule its only a tie.

 

 

So your telling me this is a tie?

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvYV4orS6ZDU&start1=43&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxY1gkAsHIdQ&start2=14&authorName=aphrocarlin

 

Does anyone think this is a tie? Because thats what most of you voted for. The 8 sec rule calls this a tie.

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[lkm-fi]

I didnt want to take it down until it was beat

 

Lie. Their earlier run beat the old record by 2sec timed like that.

Edited December 17, 2016 by lkm-fi

[StangOne50]

 

I didnt want to take it down until it was beat

 

Lie. Their earlier run beat the old record by 2sec timed like that.

 

How is that a lie? i specifically said that a 4:38 would be needed to take down the current 4:39 fleeca run.

Jacks run is 4:38. I can post a video of proof of that if you would like too.

 

I love how you guys ignore evidence and instead make false claims about me. Saying im the one goin in circles when you are the one circling around my questions that you cant answer lol

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[madebyWITT]

 

You know very well what I mean. Please don't continue with that. The old fleeca run was accepted a long time ago. And you said yourself you don't want to take the old record in fleeca down as it has been already submitted and accepted.

I didnt want to take it down until it was beat and now it has been beat by 3 seconds, but according to the 8 sec rule its only a tie.

 

 

So your telling me this is a tie?

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvYV4orS6ZDU&start1=43&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxY1gkAsHIdQ&start2=14&authorName=aphrocarlin

 

Does anyone think this is a tie? Because thats what most of you voted for. The 8 sec rule calls this a tie.

 

Just timed (the Stang way) the two videos, revealed a less than 2 second difference, which leaves 1 second room for each Rockstar timer to be off, qualifying the 8 second difference to be applied.

Edited December 17, 2016 by madebyWITT

[lkm-fi]

 

 

I didnt want to take it down until it was beat

 

Lie. Their earlier run beat the old record by 2sec timed like that.

 

How is that a lie? i specifically said that a 4:38 would be needed to take down the current 4:39 fleeca run.

Jacks run is 4:38. I can post a video of proof of that if you would like too.

 

I love how you guys ignore evidence and instead make false claims about me. Saying im the one goin in circles when you are the one circling around my questions that you cant answer lol

 

You either ignore to think what you read or you intentionally continue arguing.

 

Ok, I'll explain it to you again then. When Jack+EliteVeteran did their previous WR tied run with R* time 4:48, it beat the current WR (4:39 R* time) by about 2sec timed manually like in your example. And now you said "I didnt want to take it down until it was beat". This.

Edited December 17, 2016 by lkm-fi

[StangOne50]

Rorxy verified saints run as a 4:39 not me bro. So no I didnt want to take it down. You would have to talk to him about that.

 

Also Im not arguing. Im bringing in proof of everything I say and you are the one arguing about it since you have no proof of your own.

 

@ Witt.. sorry to let you down again buddy but saints manual time was 4:41.63 so yea over 3 seconds faster.

Want proof of that too?(nvm I already gave proof of this in the link above)

 

You guys must like to be wrong all the time because you dont give up.

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[MadMaxxx123]

 

 

 

 

 

Toxiccaliber99

Air7_____

I_Klod_I

Bossmadmax

 

9:27 R*

Edited December 17, 2016 by MadMaxxx123

[Rorxy]

Rorxy verified saints run as a 4:39 not me bro. So no I didnt want to take it down. You would have to talk to him about that.

 

Also Im not arguing. Im bringing in proof of everything I say and you are the one arguing about it since you have no proof of your own.

 

@ Witt.. sorry to let you down again buddy but saints manual time was 4:41.63 so yea over 3 seconds faster.

Want proof of that too?(nvm I already gave proof of this in the link above)

 

You guys must like to be wrong all the time because you dont give up.

Enough.

 

I have been over this both privately and publicly. Manually time many runs and they will be off by a second or two. As explained above this is the norm for R*.

 

You seem to feed of this constant back and forth of the same topics and plenty of blame directed at me when you can. These last 10 pages is all about you and your inability to understand that manual timing is not what everyone wants.

 

So let's agree to disagree and move on? Finally?

 

You are obviously very passionate and have infinite time and energy to just go on forever in this manner, but a lot of us do not and I don't want this thread to get shut down as a result of this going on and on any longer.

 

I need to make a decision now and am even losing some of the key players across all platforms now and I am fed up.

[StangOne50]

-snip-

There you go pointing the finger at me again lol

I cant argue with someone if they dont respond so its not just me.

I may be one of the only ones defending manual timing here but according to your vote the majority of console players chose manual timing over the 8 sec rule, and though witt denied it, he did say console players shouldnt have rules forced upon them by pc players but its looking like that is what is about to happen.

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[Rorxy]

With blessing of the admins now, going forward the boards will go by the following 3 added criteria in the rules by popular vote:

 

1) 8 sec rule

2) No scarf

3) Yes Kuruma Tele

 

I appreciate that this is not what everyone wants, but we have to move on in some way and for now this is how it will be.

 

I will update the topic accordingly in the coming days. I am sure that with this decision and expanded rules, the focus will return to us all (yes even me) submitting record times with the main focus being on how we better each other along with discussing new and interesting strategies (loved the dune buggy).

 

I hope that you will all support me on this and appreciate it was not an easy decision for me either.

 

I will keep you all in the loop re communication with R* on a fix also, but for now guys let's get back to business setting records!

[Swift1]

...and then there was peace.

 

Happy Holidays guys!

[DewWork]

1) Manuely timed from the second the green banner at the start of heists fades away till the green flash at the end.

 

2) no the scarf trick is 100% an exploit, rockstar added in heavy armour so you could have bonus health but at a cost of slow run speed, scarf trick clearly wasn't intentional.

 

3) I may be a bit biased about this one but I think Yes, this is not a game breaking exploit and there is some level of skill required to recreate this glitch

Edited December 18, 2016 by iDewWork

[StangOne50]

With blessing of the admins now, going forward the boards will go by the following 3 added criteria in the rules by popular vote:

 

1) 8 sec rule

2) No scarf

3) Yes Kuruma Tele

 

I appreciate that this is not what everyone wants, but we have to move on in some way and for now this is how it will be.

 

I will update the topic accordingly in the coming days. I am sure that with this decision and expanded rules, the focus will return to us all (yes even me) submitting record times with the main focus being on how we better each other along with discussing new and interesting strategies (loved the dune buggy).

 

I hope that you will all support me on this and appreciate it was not an easy decision for me either.

 

I will keep you all in the loop re communication with R* on a fix also, but for now guys let's get back to business setting records!

Hold on now. I thought people have to vote for themselves and have been in the hall of fame. I recounted its close almost a tie.

There has only been 4 days to vote and some players havent had a chance to vote yet,

Edited December 18, 2016 by StangOne50

[Typhoeus]

...and then there was peace.

 

Happy Holidays guys!

Alas kind sir you have spoken to soon.For just as the darkness began to lift , the birds started to sing , the people began to rejoice.The Beast returned with new demands , cry's of why have the admins forsaken us so can be heard through out the land.I will attempt to translate some of the language of the beast

'There has only been 4 days to vote and some players havent had a chance to vote yet' translation:The vote will remain open until I am able to contact enough people to vote the way i want them to,so I may impose my will on these simple people , I know what is best for them.

 

to be continued unless i get banned lol

Edited December 18, 2016 by Typhoeus

[Kirsty]

Hold on now.

No. The matter has been resolved, Stang. Accept the criteria as it is until R* have sorted timers, or create your own topic with your own rules.

[lkm-fi]

 

 

 

 

 

Toxiccaliber99

Air7_____

I_Klod_I

Bossmadmax

 

9:27 R*

 

Nice run guys! Great to see you joined forces

[lkm-fi]

I assume we can resume to posting videos now, so here's our latest Humane Labs run. Barely 1 sec better than our previous one but still improvement.

Agent_Hawk, kpml83, lkm-fi, Diamondbullet01 (PC) 9:12 (R*)
pilot:

gunner:

ground 1: https://vimeo.com/195526839
ground 2: