The Elite Challenges Grand Leaderboard v2

[GTAonlineplayer]

My vote:

 

1 - manual

 

2 - no

 

3 - no

[madebyWITT]

 

Can we have a final tally on the votes please? Having issues with site from my phone and cannot view previous pages...

Final tally? half the ps4.ps3 players havent even voted yet.

 

mmmhmmm... You kind of keep changing your mind? The situation hasn't changed (other than an admin joining/spectating the discussion) since this post:

 

 

I havent counted votes but if this is the way its going then I think this voting should end right now.

Edited December 17, 2016 by madebyWITT

[StangOne50]

 

 

Can we have a final tally on the votes please? Having issues with site from my phone and cannot view previous pages...

Final tally? half the ps4.ps3 players havent even voted yet.

 

mmmhmmm... You kind of keep changing your mind? The situation hasn't changed (other than an admin joining/spectating the discussion) since this post:

 

I havent counted votes but if this is the way its going then I think this voting should end right now.

 

Would be nice if I can speak without being jumped on every single time.

I havent changed my mind about anything but the vote has continued. Trying to keep it fair.

[Rorxy]

 

Can we have a final tally on the votes please? Having issues with site from my phone and cannot view previous pages...

Final tally? half the ps4.ps3 players havent even voted yet.

I was merely acting on the fact you asked to end the vote as quoted above. A few PC teams still to vote too so we just wait for ever regardless?

 

Tally I make so far:

 

(up to GTAplayer)

1) 8 sec 18 ,man 13

2) no 22 ,yes 9

3)no 11 ,yes 20

 

On top of that, your pm threat ( I was warned by HoF console players also and its now active it seems) if I didn't agree to removal of grand leaderboard of you just getting all your ps3 buddies to vote against 8sec doesn't even affect their console? FACT, as you would say.

 

You talked about morals before and right and wrong...well this on top of your lie saying the leading ps4 team backed you and your console only thread...The fact is they are done with it now too and want you to go with your own rules leader board because that WILL stop all this nonsense. I have nothing more to say really. It's clear to me where you are going with this and from that standpoint I think the only way you can be happy is if you have your own leaderboard with your own rules.

[Nerfgoth]

My vote is as follows and why!

 

1. 8s, its removes any human errors and make it more fair!

 

2 and 3 is a big YES! Why? I think its hinder people thinking outside of the box! If people find a new way to do them even faster people are going to ask for a wote on it! For an example is the way you take in the end of pacific standard. Should we wote on whitch way we are going to take in the end?

 

No, the elite challenges is about personal and a group challenge and creativity!

 

Sorry, needed to edit my vote was doing multiple things at same time!

 

Edited again due to typo!

Edited December 17, 2016 by Nerfgoth

[StangOne50]

 

 

Can we have a final tally on the votes please? Having issues with site from my phone and cannot view previous pages...

Final tally? half the ps4.ps3 players havent even voted yet.

I was merely acting on the fact you asked to end the vote as quoted above. A few PC teams still to vote too so we just wait for ever regardless?

 

Tally I make so far:

 

(up to GTAplayer)

1) 8 sec 18 ,man 13

2) no 22 ,yes 9

3)no 11 ,yes 20

 

On top of that, your pm threat ( I was warned by HoF console players also and its now active it seems) if I didn't agree to removal of grand leaderboard of you just getting all your ps3 buddies to vote against 8sec doesn't even affect their console? FACT, as you would say.

 

You talked about morals before and right and wrong...well this on top of your lie saying the leading ps4 team backed you and your console only thread...The fact is they are done with it now too and want you to go with your own rules leader board because that WILL stop all this nonsense. I have nothing more to say really. It's clear to me where you are going with this and from that standpoint I think the only way you can be happy is if you have your own leaderboard with your own rules.

 

What are you even talking about this whole post is BS lol

Anything I said about other players can be backed up in my pm box. I never lied to anyone.

When I said end the vote you know what I meant. The vote is bullsh*t decided by pc players.Even witt said console players shouldnt have to follow rules made up by pc players and vice versa.

Stop spreading this bs about me.

You called me a liar in private and I showed you a screen shot that proves you were wrong to call me a liar so you are the one here lying to everyone.

Removing the GL was not a threat. It was part of compromise, something you dont know how to do.

So ps3 players cant vote now? Alot of them are on ps4 now.

How many pc players from the same crew voted? How is that even fair. Its clear the vote was decided before it even started.

You guys want to have inaccurate times on your board ? Congrats! This thread will lose any integrity it once had.

You choose a player that hasnt even completed the elite challenges to run the elite challenge board LOL Are you kidding me?

I always provide proof to back up anything I say and everyone just ignores it.

I show proof that 8 sec rule is not always accurate, you all ignore it.

Where is the proof that any of the manual times I gave are inaccurate?

Rorxy is nothing more than a puppet to you guys.

Says alot about what this thread has become.

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[§†range]

@Rorxy, all players that have voted are ELITE players regardless of platform. If I really want to be cheap I'll get all of Van Society, PBMO, and GTAF

 

crews in here to start casting votes on a topic they don't care about.

 

Or perhaps I walk to the internet cafe and create 5 accounts, lets keep it real dawg.

[madebyWITT]

Even witt said console players shouldnt have to follow rules made up by pc players and vice versa.

mmmhmmm... You're mixing Last Gen and Current Gen consoles? (Please use the MultiQuote feature when you quote my post! Otherwise you'll clearly get it wrong...)

 

Regarding rule changes:

 

Last Gen consoles should NOT vote for Current Gen consoles and PC.

Current Gen consoles and PC should NOT vote for Last Gen consoles.

 

Current Gen consoles and PC (together) is one thing, and Last Gen consoles is another thing.

 

 

I show proof that 8 sec rule is not always accurate, you all ignore it.

Again (PM'd you previous reply due to certain off-topic'ness continuing), as last time you mentioned it, read the post you quoted:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess you missed my post where I present Jacks video as proof that simply removing 8 seconds would be inaccurate.

And as I stated above R timers were never accurate to begin with.

Look at the facts people. The 8 sec rule is flawed.

I guess you missed my post where I said to comparre pre- and post-F&F runs.

 

See post above. Absolute proof 8 sec rule is not accurate.

 

 

[StangOne50]

Here you go

http://gtaforums.com/topic/802104-the-elite-challenges-grand-leaderboard-v2/?p=1069283258

 

Anything else you guys wanna lie about?

This is the second time you have accused me of something and have had to correct yourself.

Lets not let is happen again ok? ;oD

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[madebyWITT]

Here you go

http://gtaforums.com/topic/802104-the-elite-challenges-grand-leaderboard-v2/?p=1069283258

 

Anything else you guys wanna lie about?

 

Thanks for proving my point, I went into detail in the post you linked to.

[StangOne50]

 

Here you go

http://gtaforums.com/topic/802104-the-elite-challenges-grand-leaderboard-v2/?p=1069283258

 

Anything else you guys wanna lie about?

 

Thanks for proving my point, I went into detail in the post you linked to.

 

Yea except that I already proved your 8 second theory to be inaccurate. Want me to link that post too?

[jack.kucher2]

Here's my botched drill run on Fleeca with EliteVeteran that should coincide with the 8 sec rule:

 

 

[StangOne50]

Here's my botched drill run on Fleeca with EliteVeteran that should coincide with the 8 sec rule:

 

 

Manually timed at 4:38.32

Thank you Jack for once again proving the 8 sec rule is not accurate and Congrats on the new Fleeca World Record.

[jack.kucher2]

thanks, though rounded up it is 4:39

[JimmyBränberg]

Here´s a Pacific Elite in Dune Buggys to cheer everyone up!

 

 

[StangOne50]

thanks, though rounded up it is 4:39

We have never rounded up times here. and a .32 is not rounded up, its rounded down. You would need .50 to round up.

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[§†range]

 

Even witt said console players shouldnt have to follow rules made up by pc players and vice versa.

mmmhmmm... You're mixing Last Gen and Current Gen consoles? (Please use the MultiQuote feature when you quote my post! Otherwise you'll clearly get it wrong...)

 

Regarding rule changes:

 

Last Gen consoles should NOT vote for Current Gen consoles and PC.

Current Gen consoles and PC should NOT vote for Last Gen consoles.

 

Current Gen consoles and PC (together) is one thing, and Last Gen consoles is another thing.

 

 

 

 

I'll be on PS4 in 2 weeks lol.

[madebyWITT]

 

 

Even witt said console players shouldnt have to follow rules made up by pc players and vice versa.

mmmhmmm... You're mixing Last Gen and Current Gen consoles? (Please use the MultiQuote feature when you quote my post! Otherwise you'll clearly get it wrong...)

 

Regarding rule changes:

 

Last Gen consoles should NOT vote for Current Gen consoles and PC.

Current Gen consoles and PC should NOT vote for Last Gen consoles.

 

Current Gen consoles and PC (together) is one thing, and Last Gen consoles is another thing.

 

I'll be on PS4 in 2 weeks lol.

 

Congratulations on the upgrade (in advance).

 

Edit: Stang I'll direct you to the previous post I replied to this, (hopefully you'll read it this time, the third time is the charm afterall):

 

 

 

 

 

I show proof that 8 sec rule is not always accurate, you all ignore it.

Again (PM'd you previous reply due to certain off-topic'ness continuing), as last time you mentioned it, read the post you quoted:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess you missed my post where I present Jacks video as proof that simply removing 8 seconds would be inaccurate.

And as I stated above R timers were never accurate to begin with.

Look at the facts people. The 8 sec rule is flawed.

I guess you missed my post where I said to comparre pre- and post-F&F runs.

 

See post above. Absolute proof 8 sec rule is not accurate.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit2: I wont post this anymore, we're spamming the thread, even if you keep ignoring what I post.

Edited December 17, 2016 by madebyWITT

[§†range]

@everyone, I do not know you and my post are not personal in any way. Simply standing firm for what I believe is the right choice here, as are the rest of you.

 

Respect to all who have finished these challenges and are on the leader boards.

[StangOne50]

I dont know why you keep posting it but feel free to post it as many times you want. It doesnt prove anything. The proof is in the videos. Keep ignoring the facts.

 

Im sorry you can not admit your theory is flawed, thats your problem not mine.

 

Ill put it here again for those of you who may have learning disabilities..

Jacks R time 4:48

Jacks manual time 4:39

8 sec rule is inaccurate here

If you cant subtract 4:48 - 8 =4:40

 

Here is Jacks recent fleeca run

Jacks R time 4:47

Manual time 4:38

8 second rule inaccurate again

Again for those who cant subtract 4:47 -8 = 4:39

 

Sorry if this comes across as rude but some of you just dont get it so I have to put it simply as possible.

I will not stand for players being cheated of their times due to some made up 8 sec theory BS.

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[Kirsty]

Alright Stang, that's enough. All I can see here is you're the only one calling people liars and you're the only one fighting against the thread.

 

Is anyone siding with Stang on this?

 

I really need some kind of answer here otherwise this thread will end up shut down. It is completely off-topic at this point.

[lkm-fi]

I only claimed game timer is accurate within about 1sec. And those fleeca runs fit that. Game (R*) timer never was more accurate than that.

 

Couldn't we just stop this arguing? Even if it means we would continue forward with 2 separate leaderboards? I could say a lot of your comments were BS like you say about mine and others, but ... does it bring us forward for real? Or is it constructive? Like i said before, I've had enough of this crap. Move on.

[§†range]

Alright Stang, that's enough. All I can see here is you're the only one calling people liars and you're the only one fighting against the thread.

 

Is anyone siding with Stang on this?

 

I really need some kind of answer here otherwise this thread will end up shut down. It is completely off-topic at this point.

Everyone who voted no to 8 seconds, is essentially supports Stang, as do I. In fairness it is him against the entire thread it seems, just supporting a good friend.

[Swift1]

Alright Stang, that's enough. All I can see here is you're the only one calling people liars and you're the only one fighting against the thread.

 

Is anyone siding with Stang on this?

 

I really need some kind of answer here otherwise this thread will end up shut down. It is completely off-topic at this point.

I fail to understand how shutting down a specific niche thread is beneficial since it's an elite Hall of Fame debate/argument/attempt at resolution via democracy. Besides Isn't it Rorxy's thread?

[Kirsty]

Alright, well I understand that, and I don't mean to come across as harsh, but I'm having several PMs from different people and several reports about this topic and it's getting really annoying at this point. People can't have it both ways so the only thing you can do is go with the majority, which according to the below results Rorxy posted earlier, this is what the thread wants:

 

1) 8 seconds

2) No

3) Yes

 

Everyone who voted against these options, are either going to have to participate with the rules like everyone else or create a topic with the exact opposite requirements.

 

 

(up to GTAplayer)

1) 8 sec 18 ,man 13

2) no 22 ,yes 9

3)no 11 ,yes 20

 

I fail to understand how shutting down a specific niche thread is beneficial since it's an elite Hall of Fame debate/argument/attempt at resolution via democracy. Besides Isn't it Rorxy's thread?

It doesn't matter whose topic it is, our rules are that topics full of arguments and essentially spam (since you're not even contributing to the leaderboard) either get resolved or get locked. This feels like it's being going on forever...

[Rorxy]

Alright Stang, that's enough. All I can see here is you're the only one calling people liars and you're the only one fighting against the thread.

 

Is anyone siding with Stang on this?

 

I really need some kind of answer here otherwise this thread will end up shut down. It is completely off-topic at this point.

I have said everything I have to say both here and privately and like many am finished with all the petty arguments and his required resort to both personal and character insults both publicly and privately. Anyone besides Stang is able to understand and appreciate that despite my lack of recent activity in the game (I have a busy work schedule along with other commitments - yes, I only do this for 'fun'), that does not go against my abilities to lead this board or put doubt in my abilities as a player. Having watched and verified what must be hundreds of videos by this point I have an obvious understanding of what is required to complete the harder elite challenges, just not my own team or the time to do it. I feel I do have an understanding of the most suitable way forward (at this difficult time with R* game issues) and have really made an effort to open up a reasonable dialogue on that subject and others. 10 Pages in now, I think all has been said.

 

I don't feel it is fair to shut down a popular and long running thread based on one persons inability to listen and understand other peoples feelings on the matter. Although I was not keen at first, to me it feels like the only way Stang will be happy is he does his own thing in his own way with no one to challenge him.

[StangOne50]

Alright Stang, that's enough. All I can see here is you're the only one calling people liars and you're the only one fighting against the thread.

 

Is anyone siding with Stang on this?

 

I really need some kind of answer here otherwise this thread will end up shut down. It is completely off-topic at this point.

Im also the only one providing proof of my claims.

 

If anyone here disagrees with me that the recent fleeca vid is not 4:38 timed from start to flash please provide evidence showing I am wrong.

 

I cant help that the rest of the players who voted for manual timing can not be here to defend it.

 

If you read the thread you will see 2 times that they were the ones calling me a liar.

Am I not allowed to defend myself?

Edited December 17, 2016 by StangOne50

[Kirsty]

I'm not sure anyone is bothered about any proof you can provide if these are the final results though:

 

 

(up to GTAplayer)

1) 8 sec 18 ,man 13

2) no 22 ,yes 9

3)no 11 ,yes 20

If this is what people want to do, why can't you accept it and move on? If you're not willing to accept it, your only solution is to step away, with the option of creating your own topic with other rules if you want to.

[§†range]

I'm not sure anyone is bothered about any proof you can provide if these are the final results though:

 

(up to GTAplayer)

1) 8 sec 18 ,man 13

2) no 22 ,yes 9

3)no 11 ,yes 20

If this is what people want to do, why can't you accept it and move on? If you're not willing to accept it, your only solution is to step away, with the option of creating your own topic with other rules if you want to.

 

It is kind of like accepting the that the earth is flat, despite given evidence against it LOL.

Edited December 17, 2016 by §†rāngė

[jack.kucher2]

I'm glad the debate is over. Time to get back to sharpening skills, trying new things, and most important, having fun.