Different Spoilers offer different stats?

[CrysisAverted]

 

 

Different spoilers will affect the car differently according to GUN1T123, can this be proven by some stats (I'm counting on you funmw2) or is it all just "feel"?

 

I hope not, I don't wanna start slapping GT Wings on my cars for better performance....

Edited June 14, 2015 by CrysisAverted

[xLtBlazex]

Aerodynamics.

[CarimboHanky]

yeah, they made spoiler functional if not mistaken like 3-4 updates ago

 

so yeah, benchpark spoilers do increase performance!

[CrysisAverted]

yeah, they made spoiler functional if not mistaken like 3-4 updates ago

 

so yeah, benchpark spoilers do increase performance!

 

I know that but what shaggy is sharing in the video is that different spoilers offer different performance.

Edited June 14, 2015 by CrysisAverted

[TeammateHelper]

I hope not. If I can use a smaller spoiler, I will.

 

I don't want big spoilers.

[Vova07]

This kinda sucks, because some cars look 100x better without a spoiler. For example, the Osiris looks so much better without those ugly spoilers that are huge.

[Arrows to Athens]

Rockstar just wants to see how ugly we can make our cars.

[vesi]

well, the traction stat bar already goes up when adding a spoiler so not surprised that the actual type of spoiler effects it

Edited June 14, 2015 by emcitement

[TacoSmuggler]

We need some Broughy knowledge in here! He's probably one of the very few, if not the only GTA YouTuber I'd believe about anything.

[Mach1bud]

We need some Broughy knowledge in here! He's probably one of the very few, if not the only GTA YouTuber I'd believe about anything.

He and Shaggy are buds and occasionally do videos/streams together. Shaggys word is just as good as Broughys.

[KoingWolf]

People are putting way, way too much stock in these types of videos. Not to toot my own horn, but it's the best example I can give right now; I have nearly 2,000 races won, and I've never even given a second look at this type of stuff.

 

It's not the .01 differences that make or break a car, or even for that matter the actual full point differences that make or break cars, it's how you drive. I race a Comet in the Sports classes 90% of the time, and win against a sea of Racing Mass with an occasional Elegy sprinkled around. I race Bullets and Cheetahs in the Super class and still win against everyone too in Zens and Osiris...

 

It's all about how you f*cking drive and how well you can push yourself to get to the top. And don't start with the whole "Non Contact" bullsh*t, because that was one of the worst things Rockstar did to this game. It's not f*cking Forza or Grand Turismo, Non Contact gives people with already large egos even bigger ones, without them even hesitating a moment to think and realize the only reason they are winning is because they are, at the starting line, given seconds of an advantage over an entire field.

 

 

TL,DR;

Racing the way it was meant to be, Arcade as hell with a lot of people, you can take nearly anything and do well based upon your skill level.

[Halal Cyborg]

People are putting way, way too much stock in these types of videos. Not to toot my own horn, but it's the best example I can give right now; I have nearly 2,000 races won, and I've never even given a second look at this type of stuff.

 

It's not the .01 differences that make or break a car, or even for that matter the actual full point differences that make or break cars, it's how you drive. I race a Comet in the Sports classes 90% of the time, and win against a sea of Racing Mass with an occasional Elegy sprinkled around. I race Bullets and Cheetahs in the Super class and still win against everyone too in Zens and Osiris...

 

It's all about how you f*cking drive and how well you can push yourself to get to the top. And don't start with the whole "Non Contact" bullsh*t, because that was one of the worst things Rockstar did to this game. It's not f*cking Forza or Grand Turismo, Non Contact gives people with already large egos even bigger ones, without them even hesitating a moment to think and realize the only reason they are winning is because they are, at the starting line, given seconds of an advantage over an entire field.

 

 

TL,DR;

Racing the way it was meant to be, Arcade as hell with a lot of people, you can take nearly anything and do well based upon your skill level.

You race randoms so your opinion is worthless, any advantage will decide a races outcome at the highest level as people aren't crashing...ffs how many times Edited June 14, 2015 by Halal Cyborg

[Mach1bud]

People are putting way, way too much stock in these types of videos. Not to toot my own horn, but it's the best example I can give right now; I have nearly 2,000 races won, and I've never even given a second look at this type of stuff.

 

It's not the .01 differences that make or break a car, or even for that matter the actual full point differences that make or break cars, it's how you drive. I race a Comet in the Sports classes 90% of the time, and win against a sea of Racing Mass with an occasional Elegy sprinkled around. I race Bullets and Cheetahs in the Super class and still win against everyone too in Zens and Osiris...

 

It's all about how you f*cking drive and how well you can push yourself to get to the top. And don't start with the whole "Non Contact" bullsh*t, because that was one of the worst things Rockstar did to this game. It's not f*cking Forza or Grand Turismo, Non Contact gives people with already large egos even bigger ones, without them even hesitating a moment to think and realize the only reason they are winning is because they are, at the starting line, given seconds of an advantage over an entire field.

 

 

TL,DR;

Racing the way it was meant to be, Arcade as hell with a lot of people, you can take nearly anything and do well based upon your skill level.

Well some of us take it more serious than that. Some of us only race with the best racers in the world. To us, .01 makes a difference. Edited June 14, 2015 by Mach1bud

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

probably something called placebo effect

broughy tested it to once, he coudn't find a thing

maybe he is finaly wrong on something, but he has his history of being right almost always

 

We need some Broughy knowledge in here! He's probably one of the very few, if not the only GTA YouTuber I'd believe about anything.

He and Shaggy are buds and occasionally do videos/streams together. Shaggys word is just as good as Broughys.

 

he is slighty underdoing for broughy

i never forget the time seeing him driving a dubsta 6x6 and claiming its much more stable offroad then the sandking xl when it obvious just isn't

[KoingWolf]

You race randoms so your opinion is worthless, any advantage will decide a races outcome at the highest level as people aren't crashing...ffs how many times

 

 

 

Well some of us take it more serious than that. Some of us only race with the best racers in the world. To us, .01 makes a difference.

 

 

That's hilarious, neither of you know anything about me nor have ever met me, but I "race against randoms" and my opinion is thus, worthless.

 

This is the problem with the racing scene in this game right now, closed minded people circlejerking as if the racing in GTA is anything more than an arcade racer, not even close to a sim or to be taken that seriously. So you post your opinion and then everyone in the crew or friends list rushes to Like it, making it seem like the opinion is fact. It's just lame and those types of replies should really (hopefully) highlight to other people just what you all think of them and open their eyes so they can start having some fun in this game.

 

And you may think you are racing the "best in the world," but if it's just a bunch of bros hanging out together patting each other on the back and blowing each other's egos... You are not racing the best. Not even close, you're racing friends and crew mates. Might want to step out into the public every once and awhile.

[Halal Cyborg]

 

You race randoms so your opinion is worthless, any advantage will decide a races outcome at the highest level as people aren't crashing...ffs how many times

 

 

Well some of us take it more serious than that. Some of us only race with the best racers in the world. To us, .01 makes a difference.

 

That's hilarious, neither of you know anything about me nor have ever met me, but I "race against randoms" and my opinion is thus, worthless.

 

This is the problem with the racing scene in this game right now, closed minded people circlejerking as if the racing in GTA is anything more than an arcade racer, not even close to a sim or to be taken that seriously. So you post your opinion and then everyone in the crew or friends list rushes to Like it, making it seem like the opinion is fact. It's just lame and those types of replies should really (hopefully) highlight to other people just what you all think of them and open their eyes so they can start having some fun in this game.

 

And you may think you are racing the "best in the world," but if it's just a bunch of bros hanging out together patting each other on the back and blowing each other's egos... You are not racing the best. Not even close, you're racing friends and crew mates. Might want to step out into the public every once and awhile.

We can be 100% certain because those are the only scenarios where you will win in those cars...join cloud 9 or nodo or gta race crew and you'll be pummelled relentlessly in those cars.

[KoingWolf]

 

 

You race randoms so your opinion is worthless, any advantage will decide a races outcome at the highest level as people aren't crashing...ffs how many times

 

 

Well some of us take it more serious than that. Some of us only race with the best racers in the world. To us, .01 makes a difference.

 

That's hilarious, neither of you know anything about me nor have ever met me, but I "race against randoms" and my opinion is thus, worthless.

 

This is the problem with the racing scene in this game right now, closed minded people circlejerking as if the racing in GTA is anything more than an arcade racer, not even close to a sim or to be taken that seriously. So you post your opinion and then everyone in the crew or friends list rushes to Like it, making it seem like the opinion is fact. It's just lame and those types of replies should really (hopefully) highlight to other people just what you all think of them and open their eyes so they can start having some fun in this game.

 

And you may think you are racing the "best in the world," but if it's just a bunch of bros hanging out together patting each other on the back and blowing each other's egos... You are not racing the best. Not even close, you're racing friends and crew mates. Might want to step out into the public every once and awhile.

We can be 100% certain because those are the only scenarios where you will win in those cars...join cloud 9 or nodo or gta race crew and you'll be pummelled relentlessly in those cars.

 

Except I wouldn't, unless I get put in a situation where I'm playing anything other than non-contact or catch-up off. With either or of those stipulations added, of course I'd lose against drivers of similar levels. You physically cannot keep up to a Zentorno in a Bullet, which plays to my point; when you take the game so seriously that all you do is race in Non-Contact and/ or Catch-up Off exclusively... You're kidding yourself into thinking this game is anything more than an arcade game. Play it with even odds and you can race almost whatever you want and win most of the time.

 

And I don't just say that and leave it there. I'll actually take the time to break down my opinion here:

 

This game was never coded to be a racer. Racing is a sub event you can do just because the game offers a ton of cars to steal and do crazy stuff with online in freeroam and single player. So because it was never meant to be a pure racing game, you have differentials in stats that make no sense, are not consistent, and are impossible to parse in a way that you can with Forza and Grand Turismo.

 

You know why that 0.1 point difference or even that 1 point difference does not matter? Because those points are not regularly, consistently, applied to the game and during the race. The game is coded to work and get the ball rolling, not to be this ironclad and infallible system. You will not consistently get those points, no matter what you do. So you can literally run laps around a track 50 times... And get different lap times all the time. Know what happens when you do that in Forza or GT? You get nearly the exact same times, with the only differential being caused by human error.

[Smooth Longsack]

For the most drastic difference in performance try the panto with the full luggage rack then use the drifting wing. Night and day difference.

Edited June 14, 2015 by Smooth Longsack

[Halal Cyborg]

Lol you have catchup on it only makes a difference if there is loads of straights, if a track has corners I'm winning in a faster car even with that sh*t on

[Mach1bud]

Yes, I do race with the best racers in the world. RACE, APEX, NODO, YEAH, and a few others, are the best in the world. The fastest lap times. The most consistent racers. Its is not a "bunch of bros". It is a community. It is perfectly acceptable for us to take any mode of gameplay seriously as we please. We want to go around tracks as fast as possible. Nothing wrong with looking deeper into the game mechanics to find out how that is possible.

 

I don't understand why you are here just to tell us how "stupid" we are for loving racing in GTA. Get over yourself man, go be happy racing randoms or whatever you enjoy. We will do what we enjoy, and keep breaking records.

[I Spank My Beef]

 

 

 

You race randoms so your opinion is worthless, any advantage will decide a races outcome at the highest level as people aren't crashing...ffs how many times

 

 

Well some of us take it more serious than that. Some of us only race with the best racers in the world. To us, .01 makes a difference.

 

That's hilarious, neither of you know anything about me nor have ever met me, but I "race against randoms" and my opinion is thus, worthless.

 

This is the problem with the racing scene in this game right now, closed minded people circlejerking as if the racing in GTA is anything more than an arcade racer, not even close to a sim or to be taken that seriously. So you post your opinion and then everyone in the crew or friends list rushes to Like it, making it seem like the opinion is fact. It's just lame and those types of replies should really (hopefully) highlight to other people just what you all think of them and open their eyes so they can start having some fun in this game.

 

And you may think you are racing the "best in the world," but if it's just a bunch of bros hanging out together patting each other on the back and blowing each other's egos... You are not racing the best. Not even close, you're racing friends and crew mates. Might want to step out into the public every once and awhile.

We can be 100% certain because those are the only scenarios where you will win in those cars...join cloud 9 or nodo or gta race crew and you'll be pummelled relentlessly in those cars.

 

Except I wouldn't, unless I get put in a situation where I'm playing anything other than non-contact or catch-up off. With either or of those stipulations added, of course I'd lose against drivers of similar levels. You physically cannot keep up to a Zentorno in a Bullet, which plays to my point; when you take the game so seriously that all you do is race in Non-Contact and/ or Catch-up Off exclusively... You're kidding yourself into thinking this game is anything more than an arcade game. Play it with even odds and you can race almost whatever you want and win most of the time.

 

And I don't just say that and leave it there. I'll actually take the time to break down my opinion here:

 

This game was never coded to be a racer. Racing is a sub event you can do just because the game offers a ton of cars to steal and do crazy stuff with online in freeroam and single player. So because it was never meant to be a pure racing game, you have differentials in stats that make no sense, are not consistent, and are impossible to parse in a way that you can with Forza and Grand Turismo.

 

You know why that 0.1 point difference or even that 1 point difference does not matter? Because those points are not regularly, consistently, applied to the game and during the race. The game is coded to work and get the ball rolling, not to be this ironclad and infallible system. You will not consistently get those points, no matter what you do. So you can literally run laps around a track 50 times... And get different lap times all the time. Know what happens when you do that in Forza or GT? You get nearly the exact same times, with the only differential being caused by human error.

 

If you want to test that theory I'll be available anytime you want on Xbox One

[justinlynch3]

From what I seen in Los Santos Customs stats bare.

 

Base to 1st spoiler = increase in traction stat.

1st to last spoiler = no difference.

 

I'm inclined to believe R* over what a youtuber says.

[Groper17nz]

From what I seen in Los Santos Customs stats bare.

 

Base to 1st spoiler = increase in traction stat.

1st to last spoiler = no difference.

 

I'm inclined to believe R* over what a youtuber says.

 

Then your an idiot

[Mach1bud]

 

From what I seen in Los Santos Customs stats bare.

 

Base to 1st spoiler = increase in traction stat.

1st to last spoiler = no difference.

 

I'm inclined to believe R* over what a youtuber says.

Then your an idiot

This. It is well known that stats in game are incorrect.

 

You can tell who the noobs are around here.

 

Edit: Oh yeah, forgot to say. This is no random youtuber. Him and Broughy are both backed by Rockstar. Both have been in livestreams with Rockstar. Both have top ranked racing crews. Both have verified tracks. During their crew vs crew livestream with Rockstar they both were told to tell everyone where they can follow their videos.

Edited June 19, 2015 by Mach1bud

[Lord DC]

I don't give a crap, a tiny difference is NOT worth putting a fcking park bench on your car.

 

To elaborate, I differentiate between player hostility levels in their car taste. That ugly spoiler on Zentorno= they're dead. Park bench on anyhing? Ded.

Edited June 19, 2015 by Lord DC

[Mach1bud]

I don't give a crap, a tiny difference is NOT worth putting a fcking park bench on your car.

 

To elaborate, I differentiate between player hostility levels in their car taste. That ugly spoiler on Zentorno= they're dead. Park bench on anyhing? Ded.

Or they are just racers trying to go as fast as possible. Racing mods are not ugly. Function=Beauty.

[Lord DC]

 

I don't give a crap, a tiny difference is NOT worth putting a fcking park bench on your car.

 

To elaborate, I differentiate between player hostility levels in their car taste. That ugly spoiler on Zentorno= they're dead. Park bench on anyhing? Ded.

Or they are just racers trying to go as fast as possible. Racing mods are not ugly. Function=Beauty.

 

That's your opinion, and I respect that. But if I didn't know you were a racer, I would've thought twice about riding in your car.

[iTaliahR]

 

 

I don't give a crap, a tiny difference is NOT worth putting a fcking park bench on your car.

 

To elaborate, I differentiate between player hostility levels in their car taste. That ugly spoiler on Zentorno= they're dead. Park bench on anyhing? Ded.

Or they are just racers trying to go as fast as possible. Racing mods are not ugly. Function=Beauty.

 

That's your opinion, and I respect that. But if I didn't know you were a racer, I would've thought twice about riding in your car.

 

It matters why?

[Lord DC]

 

 

 

SNIP

It matters why?

 

Because often players with the "park bench spoiler" often shoot on sight, and that, I do not like. Anyhoo, I shall leave this thread to you fine people. Peace.

[iTaliahR]

 

 

 

 

SNIP

It matters why?

 

Because often players with the "park bench spoiler" often shoot on sight, and that, I do not like. Anyhoo, I shall leave this thread to you fine people. Peace.

 

I have a park bench on my Osiris. I like to give people rides and let them drive it. The only thing I shoot down on sight is the Hydra. Every time I see it doing runs, I feel threatened.