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[Abel.]

You're right, censorship is wrong on principle, but having a cursory regard for other people's feelings is just common decency. Moon specifically jumped in on this one because the teem in question has been used against a pejorative of people of his heritage. It means something to him so he was commenting, no need for an attitude. Also this is a free service and mods can ban for whatever they like. I've known people to be banned for far less than using racial slurs.

 

I just want you to understand that this isn't a case of some SJW arbitrarily restricting our freedom. This is about a man saying it's not okay to use a word that historically has been used as a slur against those of his heritage. By all means use the word--nobody controls your mouth but you--but don't be surprised when you piss people off.

Edited June 12, 2015 by Failure

[Otter]

Go ahead, if it really makes you feel better.

 

I feel like I just got a taste of Date Night with Waldie

[Smith John]

 

 

FYI, 'mulatto' is not an okay thing to say, and it never was. It was one of the many derogatory 'race mix' castas that came about during spanish colonialism in latino america: http://nativeheritageproject.com/2013/06/15/las-castas-spanish-racial-classifications/

 

Are you going to start banning people for using that word as well?

 

Nah but I'll ban you for being a complete tosser, if you'd like?

I'm offended that a Canadian should use the word 'tosser'.

 

That's our word, ya tosser.

 

If it's any consolation, you can have 'tosspot'.

 

One word: WHY?

An admirable ambition to become crowned queen SJW- no mean feat in today's age of easily accessible global communication platforms.

[Theodore93]

You're right, censorship is wrong on principle, but having a cursory regard for other people's feelings is just common decency. Moon specifically jumped in on this one because the teem in question has been used against a pejorative of people of his heritage. It means something to him so he was commenting, no need for an attitude.

 

I just want you to understand that this isn't a case of some SJW arbitrarily restricting our freedom. This is about a man saying it's not okay to use a word that historically has been used as a slur against those of his heritage. By all means use the word--nobody controls your mouth but you--but don't be surprised when you piss people off.

 

I understand, I just don't agree.

 

I honestly don't give a f*ck about anyone's heritage, it doesn't give them the right to police my language. I probably wouldn't use the word anyway (i don't think I ever have before) but I'm more inclined to now out of priniciple. I'm not saying it's the same league as the ridiculous SJW stuff, but the end result is the same, which is censorship.

 

I'm perfectly decent and respectful to people, I self-censor all the time but that's my decision. Being told what I shouldn't say pisses me off. People are welcome to voice their complaints all they want, but they shouldn't be surprised if they get told to f*ck off.

 

And of course the mods can ban for whatever reason they like, but that doesn't mean they should. Really though, a bit of professionalism would be nice.

Edited June 12, 2015 by Waldie

[Moth]

 

 

 

FYI, 'mulatto' is not an okay thing to say, and it never was. It was one of the many derogatory 'race mix' castas that came about during spanish colonialism in latino america: http://nativeheritageproject.com/2013/06/15/las-castas-spanish-racial-classifications/

Are you going to start banning people for using that word as well?

Nah but I'll ban you for being a complete tosser, if you'd like?

I'm offended that a Canadian should use the word 'tosser'.

 

That's our word, ya tosser.

 

 

 

If anything, Otter should have used hoser, eh? Though what do Canadians have against hoses?

[Otter]

I dunno, Waldie, that sounds like 'SJW' talk to me. You playin' both sides, boy?

[Theodore93]

Well, I do try.

Edited June 12, 2015 by Waldie

[Ai®a©ob®a]

One word: WHY?

Attention plain and simple

[Clem Fandango]

 

 

Waldie: What problem do you have with Moon? He didn't ban anyone he was just explaining the connotations of that word.

 

I personally, as a rule, take issue with anyone who tells others what is and isn't okay to say.

 

He didn't ban anyone he was just explaining the connotations of that word.

 

I wouldn't put it past him, that's why I was inquiring. Just want to know where we stand, it's kind of hard to keep up with the ever expanding list of unacceptable words.

 

 

 

Look, I dislike hardline SJWs as much as you do, but Moon really isn't in the wrong here. Where Moon is from that word has historically been used as a pejorative against people of his heritage, so I really don't see any confusion about why Moon would take offence to the word (this clearly isn't one of those times where a hipster riddled by unfounded white guilt decides to crusade against white people). 860 meant no harm and I didn't know about the word until I read this topic. After a bit of digging it's pretty clear that this word has been unacceptable for a long time so isn't something Tumblr dwellers have unjustly robbed from us to limit our freedoms.

 

Sometimes people are offended by trivial bullsh*t and it's reasonable to roll your eyes and curse Tumblr under your breath, but there are also very real instances when people might be justifiably offended by a word or a phrase. Part of being an adult is being mindful of these instances.

 

lol did you just say 'SJWs'?

[El Dildo]

this thread was more interesting when it was about that whiteblack girl and not whether or not Waldie is a jerk....

[reiniat]

Oh god this threads, i swear you people take two steps forward then deliberately take one backwards.

[Dingdongs]

This woman is a jackass, /thread what else do we have today?

[Abel.]

 

You're right, censorship is wrong on principle, but having a cursory regard for other people's feelings is just common decency. Moon specifically jumped in on this one because the teem in question has been used against a pejorative of people of his heritage. It means something to him so he was commenting, no need for an attitude.

I just want you to understand that this isn't a case of some SJW arbitrarily restricting our freedom. This is about a man saying it's not okay to use a word that historically has been used as a slur against those of his heritage. By all means use the word--nobody controls your mouth but you--but don't be surprised when you piss people off.

 

I understand, I just don't agree.

 

I honestly don't give a f*ck about anyone's heritage, it doesn't give them the right to police my language. I probably wouldn't use the word anyway (i don't think I ever have before) but I'm more inclined to now out of priniciple. I'm not saying it's the same league as the ridiculous SJW stuff, but the end result is the same, which is censorship.

 

I'm perfectly decent and respectful to people, I self-censor all the time but that's my decision. Being told what I shouldn't say pisses me off. People are welcome to voice their complaints all they want, but they shouldn't be surprised if they get told to f*ck off.

 

And of course the mods can ban for whatever reason they like, but that doesn't mean they should. Really though, a bit of professionalism would be nice.

 

Moon didn't ban anyone, but if you purposefully use racial slurs on this forum, you're going to get banned. I really don't understand you here. Now that it's been made abundantly clear that a significant group of people find the word offensive, you're going to go out of your way to use the word? Seriously mate, nobody's physically stopping you from using any words, but if someone is genuinely offended by something they're going to bring it up. I don't see how this is inhibiting your freedom.

[Moonshield]

Waldie, I don't care what you say or if you have any reservations, I'm merely giving a lesson in social education from something another member said in the topic. In the "new world", words like "mulatto" and "mestizo" are derogatory terms which refer to a caste system which were created by colonials to establish pejorative castes. Some of these classifications were borne of rape; either from the slaves brought from africa (mulattos) or the indigenous (mestizos). Being called a cholo or a mestizo is not an okay thing for somebody to call me. Some even "pure" spaniards were seen as lesser just because they were born in the colonies; they were called creoles. But if you'd rather further turn the topic into why I'm a mean mod and temp banned you because you were being a total dipsh*t please make a topic in the Network Support forum.

 

This is much different from the woman in question in the OP. I see it more like cultural appropriation and some identity confusion, and maybe a narcissistic sociopath in charge? She's obviously looking for attention regardless.

[Theodore93]

I don't have a problem with the social education lesson, my problem is with the claim that:

 

'mulatto' is not an okay thing to say, and it never was.

 

Simply explaining why some may find it offensive is fine, telling people they shouldn't say it is where the problem starts.

 

And all I did was ask a question anyway, which you didn't answer by the way.

[make total destroy]

 

 

 

I honestly don't give a f*ck about anyone's heritage, it doesn't give them the right to police my language. I probably wouldn't use the word anyway (i don't think I ever have before) but I'm more inclined to now out of priniciple. I'm not saying it's the same league as the ridiculous SJW stuff, but the end result is the same, which is censorship.

m8, if you think folks telling you that you shouldn't use a word because it's offensive is censorship, then you don't understand censorship. It's not like the big bad SJW boogeyman is gonna haul you off to a gulag for saying 'mulatto'.

[Tchuck]

I wonder how many people actually caught on to the act but didn't say anything because how dare you say that a person is pretending to be something they are not.

[make total destroy]

This is just "I am 1/38 Cherokee" taken to the next level tbh.

[Theodore93]

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't give a f*ck about anyone's heritage, it doesn't give them the right to police my language. I probably wouldn't use the word anyway (i don't think I ever have before) but I'm more inclined to now out of priniciple. I'm not saying it's the same league as the ridiculous SJW stuff, but the end result is the same, which is censorship.

m8, if you think folks telling you that you shouldn't use a word because it's offensive is censorship, then you don't understand censorship. It's not like the big bad SJW boogeyman is gonna haul you off to a gulag for saying 'mulatto'.

 

 

People are always arguing semantics about whether something is technically censorship or not. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't really matter. The end result is the same.

 

And I wouldn't be so sure. This is how it starts, first it's a few people saying that you shouldn't use a word because it's offensive, before you know it, it becomes illegal under "hate speech" or some bullsh*t.

[Fonz]

Waldie, you're overreacting. I didn't sense any hostility in Moon's post; he was pretty much just explaining why the word was offensive.

 

I'm glad he did explain it because I didn't know, to be honest. "Mulatto" is a normal word in Portuguese, while "mestizo" is a derogatory term, so I thought it was the same in the US. Not that I'd ever use either term, but it's nice to know.

[860]

Let's not derail every single thread into a debate about censorship. The PM box is a great place to sort out your disagreements.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQr2WgVQAto

 

 

-What would you say to those who question your ethnicity?

-I don't give two sh*ts about what you guys think.

Longer interview with the parents by CNN:

 

Edited June 13, 2015 by 860

[Otter]

Honestly, the race thing (as odd as that may be) doesn't really bother me - it's the wolf crying that needs to be criticized and punished.

[860]

I agree, though I'm not too familiar with U.S. laws. Framing someone is surely a crime, but I'm not sure it applies here when she didn't try to frame any particular person.

[Otter]

Interested in finding more, I stumbled across this story:

 

http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/

 

Excuse the source, it's a great story.

[Majestic81]

She sounds like a delusional c*nt.

[*MURDOC*]

Well, I do try.

 

 

Try harder.

 

 

Or less hard.

 

 

I'm sure you'll choose whichever is more stupid for the situation.

[Raavi]

I honestly couldn't care less about the fact she bronzed her face and changed her wig, it's the fact she used pretending to be black and pretending to have gone through the very real race-related hardships genuine African Americans face, to rise to a position of relative influence and have not insignificant financial gain as a result of it. This sounds more like the work of a con artist than anything else. Racially confused / transracial? Get out of here. Old fashioned Fraud more like.

[reiniat]

You know, since 860 was not using that word with a derogatory purpose i dont see why anyone should be offended or dedicate almost two pages to it (sshhht Waldie!).

And im from Mexico where the term was coined and im 1/4 mulatto, and i have never ever seen a person be offended when such terms are used outside of a racist context. Unless we are now going to ban all words that describe people like redhead, ginger, guero, moreno, etc, etc. And we suddenly cant use them to describe peoples physical features because describing is apparently a bad thing.

Even ni**er has a context where its ok to use it, so i dont know why you had to ban that word, specially when this is the GTAF, and GTAV is full of it (and its a great example of the many connotations that the word has).

I mean its been more than 200 years since we declared all citizens free (and our definition included people of all colors), the word has lost its bad connotations since then (to us at least), and its barely even used, i dont see why people cant use it, unless they are being genuinely discriminatory about it or they are in a very formal environment (ie: not the GTAF).

 

 

 

TL:DR racism is not about words, and you should all chill out a bit.

Edited June 13, 2015 by reiniat

[*MURDOC*]

If anyone needs to "chill out" it's probably you Mr. Paragraph.

 

Seriously though, you are missing the point hilariously.

 

Even ni**er has a context where its ok to use it

 

 

 

Please point out this context.

Do you go up to some black dudes and call them ni**ers?

If they get mad, do you explain to them why they shouldn't be offended and tell them how you know people who aren't offended, so they shouldn't be either?

Are they okay with you calling them ni**er afterwards because you enlightened them?

 

You're free to use any word you want, but don't expect there to be no consequences, anger, resentment or hurt feelings just because of your personal take on the subject.

Don't be selfish and take other people into account.

 

 

And we suddenly cant use them to describe peoples physical features because describing is apparently a bad thing.

 

 

If you honestly think terms like: "ni**er, spic, kike, homo, wetback, etc." are "descriptive", then you are just plain out of your mind.

 

 

TL;DR, don't be a f*cking dickhead.

Edited June 13, 2015 by *MURDOC*

[Tyler]

TL:DR racism is not about words, and you should all chill out a bit.

 

 

Racism is about the systematic oppression and dehumanization of peoples through racial division and subjugation. This notion is reinforced by many tools. One of the most important tools of the oppressor is that of language. With a vocabulary of racist terms one can disparage freely all of those whom they wish to divide between their group and the oppressed. It is no wonder or curiosity that historically racist movements have made full use of the power of language by including in every instance possible their vitriolic rhetoric which also includes the terms mentioned above by other members: there are specific instances of racist caste systems and segregation by way of utilizing cultural tropes to turn people of other races into the lesser or the Other.

 

It is both irresponsible and revisionist to claim that language and words are not tools that are directly tied to the power of racism. It is by way of communication that racism becomes a process that destroys and divides people.