Perfect response for heist randoms who want "25%"

[SkynetOnlineID]

It's twisted because of the way he approaches things is just beyond my understanding:

 

If 15% - f*ck up the heist

If 20%/25% - ask the host to give me 0% and split between the others.

 

Tell me if something like this is normal? The said person doesn't care about the money, yet he cares to flex his ego because in his mind the leader cannot have 55%, despise the fact the leader had to put through 4 setup missions for 0$, plus the initial heist costs.

 

For the third time I say this, by "trolling" peoples heists you're not making justice to anyone, you're being a dick wasting the time of 2 innocent players because you got a beef with the host's decisions. And like BlueSocks said it just shows how much you only care about yourself since you're willing to shaft 3 people over silly egocentrical problems:

"How dare someone make that much money when they made more effort than I did?!"

 

This morning I joined the Humane Finale 3 times from randoms, in all of the 3 times we only got 15% cuts any no one really bitched about it, everyone played smoothly and been friendly to each other post heist, or even if someone screwed up. Sure, I get it that this might not be fine for you, you're free to think that. But there is a leave button right there, you can just quit the heist on planning board if you're not happy with the outcome. It is that simple.

 

I'm generous and give 20% anyway, I don't have patience to explain in game why 15% is the best and default payout, I already do this here in the forums where I can take my time and write long texts to be clear as possible. And yet, people still don't get it.

 

C'est la vie.

 

 

It is normal in my opinion. He doesn't want his share but wants it to be split up between the other players and host. Something like 45/5/25/25 or 35/5/30/30. I usually do just leave at the planning board if I don't agree with the split. I only really troll when I'm bored. Does the host not get paid in set ups? For some reason I do when I host. I'm on PS3.

 

When it comes to heists, you really do want people like Skynet and myself around......we get sh*t done ! have had the pleasure of playing GTAV with him several times through our mutual friends, we do not fail, we make lots of money and we have fun while doing so. Very good asset to have on your team, he helped a few of my friends complete the CMM and if we were your friend, we'd help you too.

 

 

 

 

And for the record, when we do heists, we split it 25/25/25/25 as a standard. So you can shove that default.

 

 

I know right. I'm always hosting 25/25/25/25 or 10/30/30/30 for friends and random players. Still I get called greedy if I ask other hosts for 40/20/20/20.

 

No, if you're failing for default cuts, you are the kind of people I do not want around. It's a dickhead move and I will straight up refuse to heist with people who intentionally f*ck things up on the premise of greed and default not being good enough. I've seen people f*ck around and die, leading to fails and things like that, but that's different from intentionally failing and trolling everyone in the heist.

 

 

[JaegerPilot1]

For me if they gave me 15% I would still be happy, still making money.

[Broblab]

am i wrong for taking 20 percent and no less? joined on or not?

 

oh and absolutely refusing to fly in " prison break"...i do tell these people politely that i dont wanna do it.

 

actually once i joined on a crew doing that heist.

 

they wanted me to fly.

 

i said no.

 

...they bumped my pay out to 40 percent.

 

 

...

 

 

 

so did you guys know you could chase the jet while you wait for the demo guy to get the buzzard?

[BlueSocks]

am i wrong for taking 20 percent and no less? joined on or not?

 

oh and absolutely refusing to fly in " prison break"...i do tell these people politely that i dont wanna do it.

 

actually once i joined on a crew doing that heist.

 

they wanted me to fly.

 

i said no.

 

...they bumped my pay out to 40 percent.

 

 

...

 

 

 

so did you guys know you could chase the jet while you wait for the demo guy to get the buzzard?

 

You can ask for whatever you want, just don't be a dick and f*ck up the heist because you don't like the cut. Simple really. Ask for 70% all day long, just don't be a f*cking dick. Something that apparently some people here can't fathom.

[NomadRider]

am i wrong for taking 20 percent and no less? joined on or not?

 

oh and absolutely refusing to fly in " prison break"...i do tell these people politely that i dont wanna do it.

 

actually once i joined on a crew doing that heist.

 

they wanted me to fly.

 

i said no.

 

...they bumped my pay out to 40 percent.

 

 

...

 

 

 

so did you guys know you could chase the jet while you wait for the demo guy to get the buzzard?

 

[Broblab]

 

am i wrong for taking 20 percent and no less? joined on or not?

 

oh and absolutely refusing to fly in " prison break"...i do tell these people politely that i dont wanna do it.

 

actually once i joined on a crew doing that heist.

 

they wanted me to fly.

 

i said no.

 

...they bumped my pay out to 40 percent.

 

 

...

 

 

 

so did you guys know you could chase the jet while you wait for the demo guy to get the buzzard?

 

You can ask for whatever you want, just don't be a dick and f*ck up the heist because you don't like the cut. Simple really. Ask for 70% all day long, just don't be a f*cking dick. Something that apparently some people here can't fathom.

 

im only a dick when i get some condescending message from the heist leader: a scrub who is like a 3rd of my level who assumes im just cannon fodder.

[NomadRider]

You are absolutely right 20% is the closest to a fair payout. If they have it set on hard. less is unacceptable. The host never deserves 55%.

 

As far as Prison Break the pilot should follow the jet and can control the jets direction by moving to one side, steering the jet the same direction. If you have a competent pilot they wont ever get shot down. meanwhile demolitions should be assisting in killing the prison guards. The buzzard will lock on them and you can stay safely outside of the walls without getting rpg'd.

 

 

 

 

 

weird this was supposed to be one post with the part where I quoted bronysplatter

Edited June 21, 2015 by NomadRider

[TeammateHelper]

See, this is why I never host heists.

[Deafiroth]

I'll work for 15, put in my all for 20, and ask for 20 at 25. At 10 or 5, I'd "accidentally" turn the crew into salsa with the buzzard.

[hornedturtle]

You are absolutely right 20% is the closest to a fair payout. If they have it set on hard. less is unacceptable. The host never deserves 55%.

 

As far as Prison Break the pilot should follow the jet and can control the jets direction by moving to one side, steering the jet the same direction. If you have a competent pilot they wont ever get shot down. meanwhile demolitions should be assisting in killing the prison guards. The buzzard will lock on them and you can stay safely outside of the walls without getting rpg'd.

 

 

 

 

 

weird this was supposed to be one post with the part where I quoted bronysplatter

Wow....someone watched my youtube video...i think .

 

But yes...although you'd be surprised at how many pilots expect you to kill the infinite spawning jets

[Mourticae]

 

LOL, I'm the idiot ? Last I checked, 20+20=40 so yea, 2x20=40 which equals double. Even when u factor in the deduction, you as a host ( who didn't get paid for set-ups ) still walk away with 10% more than I do as a random ( who also did not get paid for the set-ups ) who landed in the finale. Last I checked, 30% is still higher than 20%. And that 10% only counts if you are on normal, not hard. So regardless of the minor fractions, you are still trying to justify your own greed by pulling the 55/45 BS.

 

IDKGAF about you drudging through set-ups without me. The fact remains, you and I ( joining in on the finale only ) are on a level playing field by not getting any extra money ( via set-ups ) and both of us are counting on the final heist for the payday. Not to mention, YOU need us more than we need you. So no matter how you spin it, a 40/20/20/20 split, you walk away with more money than I do. And you are just as much of a random to me as I am to you. You could very easily be the weakest link and if I am going to sit through several attempts, then it needs to be worth the random crewmates time. And anything less than 20% is a waste of my time, especially on normal. ( which gives you that 10% deduction you mentioned ).

 

And for someone who says you do not play with randoms, you sure as hell are a crappy ass friend or crewmate to grandstand on your greedy 55/45 pay scale.

 

The fact the host did all the setups, in fact, means you are not on an even playing field. Get out of your ass and you might see that.

 

Did I ever say I host at 55/45? No? Right. You're assuming.

 

I have friends who host at 55/45. It's understood between all of us that anything at or above 15 is fair game. If someone is really hurting for money, they put it at 55, if they aren't, they put it at 40. I have only hosted at 40/60 with friends and other people I'm familiar with. So there goes your sh*t assumption theory. Rockstar set the default there for a reason, it is the second fairest cut, but the fairest that allows the host to walk away with more than anyone else. This is far from unreasonable. Obviously Rockstar thought so and ultimately they designed the game, so I think they have a f*cking clue about it better than you clowns might.

 

You're an idiot for saying a 40/60 for the host is always fair and they always walk away with more than you simply because it comes out to that for the finale, for you. The host, on the other hand, has spent all the time setting it up and it is hardly unreasonable for them to want more than you, especially since your ass is unproven to them and they have no idea how you'll perform. You don't bet all your f*cking money on a wild card or dark horse under the impression that they're going to do exactly as expected and perform well, it's a f*cking risk. Someone with a record that is known is better than someone who has no known record. That is what happens when you play with people, you know how they'll perform. Sorry you have your head too far up your ass to see it.

 

 

 

You tout on about how you make 10 mil a day hosting at 30% for everyone. Yeah, right. So you don't. Yet you're the one touting about 30% for everyone and how you make that hosting.

 

You're the one assuming I host for randoms. You're the one assuming I make a few mil in a week which is laughable, you're the one assuming you keep people interested in helping you longer than me, you made numerous baseless claims in regards to how everything works for you compared to me. I started refuting the facts which are you saying how you pull 10 mil in a day by hosting at 30% each and other such sh*t. So don't come at me claiming I try to make assumptions and make them supportive, you did exactly what you're saying I did when the only things I said were based directly on your claims. I didn't say that I have more people at the ready, for longer, more willing, whatever other bullsh*t you spouted off about. You did that, when I never made any statements about my activities or anything. Making money isn't the only thing I do in this game, so I don't care if you make more than me, but your assumptions and attempts to use them to somehow make your thing look better because "you make 10 mil a day to my 3 mil a week" is f*cking inane. You've proven how stupid you are by saying things like that.

 

I spend time racing, f*cking off in free roam, I do heists, I do missions, I make jobs, I'm not sitting there f*cking heisting for 10 hours a day (as if I have that kind of time to just no life this game) as well as playing other games. So quite frankly, I don't give a f*ck if you make more than me, but the facts are your assumptions and attempts to use them to support you are f*cking stupid.

 

You seem to be having difficulty understanding my responses.

 

When I host, I give thirty percent, though from time to time I do ask a few from my list of trusted crew members to essentially reverse the formula for a day. At the max payout for one person, for the length of a day with a team of people who can finish the heists in a relatively short amount of time, how much do you think you could earn in that one day?

 

You're voluntarily overlooking certain answers to your own questions - to try and defeat a system that only works so long as you convince people not to use it.

 

So you turn it around from hosting 30% to now someone is getting the max payout to obtain your 10 million in a day, wow, you're a genius. I could get people to do the same f*cking thing for me if I wanted to. I'm not going around claiming I make (or can) 10m a day or any of your other bullsh*t. You've literally disappeared up your own ass. You first resorted to making assumptions and claims based on those assumptions about your experience and performance of heist members compared to me (we call those baseless claims). So don't try to turn this around on me, mister I make 10 mil a day to your 3 mil a week. Especially like the amount I make f*cking matters. I'm sure plenty of us can walk away with 10 mil in a day if we have people jack up our pay. You claim all this sh*t as if it puts you in a better spot than me. If I ask for help I get it. End of story. I don't even need to get out there and have random people crawling up my ass to take advantage of my pay (which is apparently the way you have to go to get friends, bribing them lol).

 

Basically, no sh*t anyone and their mother can make that much if they have people jack up their pay, that's nothing special, your claims are entirely pointless, especially considering you first resorted to saying how you get a better experience and performance than me as well as trying to say you make 10 mil a day while I make a few a week. You started with the stupid there, I even stuck directly to statements you made. I'll go ahead and throw out there that your use of terms like personnel and "assignments" for heists makes you look like a joke too lol. I had a good laugh at this whole thing. I hope you never change because your adamant neglect to even admit you made baseless claims and assumptions while accusing me of doing that is quite amusing.

 

 

You seem upset.

 

Most of your responses consist of loud ranting about how something you've never tried is absolutely impossible and that I'm a terrible person for practicing it. I can't really determine if your responses are a result of you feeling threatened by a better plan that nets me more suitable income when I want it, or if you're really that stubborn. Either way, I've yet to see a truly coherent response that doesn't consist mostly of your opinion and frequent mentions of personal disbelief.

 

You know, they said the same thing about flying?

Edited June 21, 2015 by Mourticae

[BlueSocks]

 

You seem upset.

 

Most of your responses consist of loud ranting about how something you've never tried is absolutely impossible.

 

You know, they said the same thing about flying?

 

 

ctrl+f "impossible"

 

You're cute. Trying so hard. Anyone can have someone jack up the pay to 70% for them and claim to make 10m [in] a day. You're the fool who wanted to start bringing up assumptions and everything else then try to say I'm the one assuming. It's not even anything to brag about. Oh no, so you run for 0 who knows how long and then want someone to jack you up to the max pay so you can profit from it with two others getting pennies lol. You sure are a genius, you've got me beat with your ever willing army of peons at your every beck and whim to do your bidding while my friends are busy enjoying my company and playing through with all of us making money at all times. You clearly have it all figured out there. Especially with the new one here where you say I claimed anything as impossible when you were the one who brought that up lol. Feel free to continue climbing up your own asshole with these things you've conjured up.

 

It's also possible to make 10m a day as the host and jacking your own pay up and paying everyone else pennies! Maybe I'll do that and say how I make 10m a day to your couple a week.

Edited June 21, 2015 by BlueSocks

[NomadRider]

 

You are absolutely right 20% is the closest to a fair payout. If they have it set on hard. less is unacceptable. The host never deserves 55%.

 

As far as Prison Break the pilot should follow the jet and can control the jets direction by moving to one side, steering the jet the same direction. If you have a competent pilot they wont ever get shot down. meanwhile demolitions should be assisting in killing the prison guards. The buzzard will lock on them and you can stay safely outside of the walls without getting rpg'd.

 

 

 

 

 

weird this was supposed to be one post with the part where I quoted bronysplatter

Wow....someone watched my youtube video...i think .

 

But yes...although you'd be surprised at how many pilots expect you to kill the infinite spawning jets

 

 

I learned the Buzzard thing by seeing it done while being the Prisoner. The Pilot part was my own experience. I knew the npc pilots were stupid.

 

Yes I run into pilots like that. Generally noobs who get stuck being pilot because it's the easiest job for a low level. Such a boring job. I fell asleep one night on PB flying around behind the jet and the rest of the team was taking forever. Next thing you know I'm crashing into a mountain

 

Edited June 21, 2015 by NomadRider

[Mourticae]

 

 

You seem upset.

 

Most of your responses consist of loud ranting about how something you've never tried is absolutely impossible.

 

You know, they said the same thing about flying?

 

 

ctrl+f "impossible"

 

You're cute. Trying so hard. Anyone can have someone jack up the pay to 70% for them and claim to make 10m [in] a day. You're the fool who wanted to start bringing up assumptions and everything else then try to say I'm the one assuming. It's not even anything to brag about. Oh no, so you run for 0 who knows how long and then want someone to jack you up to the max pay so you can profit from it with two others getting pennies lol. You sure are a genius, you've got me beat with your ever willing army of peons at your every beck and whim to do your bidding while my friends are busy enjoying my company and playing through with all of us making money at all times. You clearly have it all figured out there. Especially with the new one here where you say I claimed anything as impossible when you were the one who brought that up lol. Feel free to continue climbing up your own asshole with these things you've conjured up.

 

It's also possible to make 10m a day as the host and jacking your own pay up and paying everyone else pennies! Maybe I'll do that and say how I make 10m a day to your couple a week.

 

 

When I stated that my returns were agreeable after providing generous returns, you attacked the response was such:

 

 

If all I wanted to do was complete them it wouldn't matter, but most people in this game want to make money. And that means hosts as well. If you want to pay 30% to people that's fine but it's not fair because fair implies roughly equal and reasonable, it's a stiff cut for the host to make almost nothing and is therefore not a fair split. 40/60 and 55/45 are the fairest, depending on which side you want to swing. It's more than reasonable that the host might want to make a little more than the rest of the crew (this was Rockstar's intention anyway, look at their default cut). The default cut also falls in line with the myriad of cinematic parralel we have going on with this game as well as the fact that any boss is going to make more than their crew, whoever they are.

 

I play the game to make money and progress. I assume the vast majority of other players do as well. That means that as a host if someone makes demands on cuts then they basically asked for my foot up their ass. As a member that means I expect the host to stick to default for the most part. Not being an entitled asshat opens up more possibility than claiming the host is f*cking you with 15% and enables a better time in the future not having to deal with assholes and stuff, but then again, look at the replies here and some of the people bitching about their cuts and being assholes about getting default. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

I'm probably being modest when I say that there was perhaps just a smidgen of hostility in that response. From there on and forward, you seem consistently interested responding with vague personal assessments of what you think should be the case, despite never having actually set into motion the events that would allow you to have any real experience with the practice to begin with,

 

That mixed in with your various perceptions of what I am, or where various body parts should exist because of said perceptions, isn't really a good contribution to your counterpoints either. Not that there's really anything to counter - I've made long-term investments as opposed to your short-term alternatives, and I find the generous, and more pronounced investments agreeable. Whether you believe that or not is up to you, but I can rest assured that with what you have said, you'll not only never really change your practices to hinder my own, you were evidently never really an opportunity risk to begin with, what with your dependence on a rather small group of your preference that asks nothing more than peanuts.

 

As another good individual stated, this is a seller's market o sorts, and I'm selling a deal that people are all too eager to buy up....with returns that make angry little rants like your own all the more entertaining to read. Just mention the better results, and watch as you try to conjure all manners of excuses as to why you must absolutely be better because of your desire for immediate payment.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Mourticae

[BlueSocks]

 

 

 

You seem upset.

 

Most of your responses consist of loud ranting about how something you've never tried is absolutely impossible.

 

You know, they said the same thing about flying?

 

 

ctrl+f "impossible"

 

You're cute. Trying so hard. Anyone can have someone jack up the pay to 70% for them and claim to make 10m [in] a day. You're the fool who wanted to start bringing up assumptions and everything else then try to say I'm the one assuming. It's not even anything to brag about. Oh no, so you run for 0 who knows how long and then want someone to jack you up to the max pay so you can profit from it with two others getting pennies lol. You sure are a genius, you've got me beat with your ever willing army of peons at your every beck and whim to do your bidding while my friends are busy enjoying my company and playing through with all of us making money at all times. You clearly have it all figured out there. Especially with the new one here where you say I claimed anything as impossible when you were the one who brought that up lol. Feel free to continue climbing up your own asshole with these things you've conjured up.

 

It's also possible to make 10m a day as the host and jacking your own pay up and paying everyone else pennies! Maybe I'll do that and say how I make 10m a day to your couple a week.

 

 

When I stated that my returns were agreeable after providing generous returns, you attacked the response was such:

 

 

If all I wanted to do was complete them it wouldn't matter, but most people in this game want to make money. And that means hosts as well. If you want to pay 30% to people that's fine but it's not fair because fair implies roughly equal and reasonable, it's a stiff cut for the host to make almost nothing and is therefore not a fair split. 40/60 and 55/45 are the fairest, depending on which side you want to swing. It's more than reasonable that the host might want to make a little more than the rest of the crew (this was Rockstar's intention anyway, look at their default cut). The default cut also falls in line with the myriad of cinematic parralel we have going on with this game as well as the fact that any boss is going to make more than their crew, whoever they are.

 

I play the game to make money and progress. I assume the vast majority of other players do as well. That means that as a host if someone makes demands on cuts then they basically asked for my foot up their ass. As a member that means I expect the host to stick to default for the most part. Not being an entitled asshat opens up more possibility than claiming the host is f*cking you with 15% and enables a better time in the future not having to deal with assholes and stuff, but then again, look at the replies here and some of the people bitching about their cuts and being assholes about getting default. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

I'm probably being modest when I say that there was perhaps just a smidgen of hostility in that response. From there on and forward, you seem consistently interested responding with vague personal assessments of what you think should be the case, despite never having actually set into motion the events that would allow you to have any real experience with the practice to begin with,

 

That mixed in with your various perceptions of what I am, or where various body parts should exist because of said perceptions, isn't really a good contribution to your counterpoints either. Not that there's really anything to counter - I've made long-term investments as opposed to your short-term alternatives, and I find the generous, and more pronounced investments agreeable. Whether you believe that or not is up to you, but I can rest assured that with what you have said, you'll not only never really change your practices to hinder my own, you were evidently never really an opportunity risk to begin with, what with your dependence on a rather small group of your preference that asks nothing more than peanuts.

 

As another good individual stated, this is a seller's market o sorts, and I'm selling a deal that people are all too eager to buy up....with returns that make angry little rants like your own all the more entertaining to read. Just mention the better results, and watch as you try to conjure all manners of excuses as to why you must absolutely be better because of your desire for immediate payment.

 

 

What do most people want from this game? Money. Most people want money. Something you don't seem to comprehend there. Most hosts want to make some money. Most members want to make some money. Very few people in this game are simply not going to care about money. It's the basis of everything in this game.

 

Apparently you don't seem to get that, thinking I'm making "vague personal assessments of what I think it should be" because that's how it is. Most people want money on here. Simple as that.

 

Taking less money up front as a member because I don't make demands about more than default, then making friends, and then getting paid more, and getting heist members more consistently and readily available is hardly a short sighted approach. In fact, I come out ahead. I'm not the asshat trolling heists and failing over default cuts, I'm completing heists and making friends to more consistently fill my roster of active players. But here you are, making more assumptions about me that are baseless. Oh, I think most hosts will want more than the 15% they walk away with if they do 25% splits, I think the host may actually want more than 40% for various reasons with people in a finale. The fact I accept anything 15% or above as a reasonable cut to give me is so short sighted. You are so right about me, you have me all figured out. More of this talk of investments and alternatives and sh*t. Haha. You're a joke to me right now.

 

You obviously failed when it came to reading comprehension because you seem to not understand a damn thing I said, which is what leads to the conclusion that you've literally disappeared inside your own asshole. Go on, make some more assumptions about me that are totally wrong and baseless simply because I think effectively bribing people into being friends and bolstering you is a stupid approach. You've failed to understand what I've said and on top of that you're making more assumptions about me and my practices when I've said numerous times I expect hosts to make money as a member. You should be pointing the short sighted bullsh*t you're trying to feed me at all the people who actually try to troll heists and waste everyone's time over the default cut, because they're the ones that are short sighted about it. No one's going to bring you back and friend you and pay you more by doing that sh*t. They do that if you're fun and good at the game and don't act like a dickhead.

 

I'll sit here and await your next response which will surely try to bring up something I've never said and act like I said it to hold yourself up in an attempt to give yourself credence.

Edited June 21, 2015 by BlueSocks

[Mourticae]

 

 

 

 

You seem upset.

 

Most of your responses consist of loud ranting about how something you've never tried is absolutely impossible.

 

You know, they said the same thing about flying?

 

 

ctrl+f "impossible"

 

You're cute. Trying so hard. Anyone can have someone jack up the pay to 70% for them and claim to make 10m [in] a day. You're the fool who wanted to start bringing up assumptions and everything else then try to say I'm the one assuming. It's not even anything to brag about. Oh no, so you run for 0 who knows how long and then want someone to jack you up to the max pay so you can profit from it with two others getting pennies lol. You sure are a genius, you've got me beat with your ever willing army of peons at your every beck and whim to do your bidding while my friends are busy enjoying my company and playing through with all of us making money at all times. You clearly have it all figured out there. Especially with the new one here where you say I claimed anything as impossible when you were the one who brought that up lol. Feel free to continue climbing up your own asshole with these things you've conjured up.

 

It's also possible to make 10m a day as the host and jacking your own pay up and paying everyone else pennies! Maybe I'll do that and say how I make 10m a day to your couple a week.

 

 

When I stated that my returns were agreeable after providing generous returns, you attacked the response was such:

 

 

If all I wanted to do was complete them it wouldn't matter, but most people in this game want to make money. And that means hosts as well. If you want to pay 30% to people that's fine but it's not fair because fair implies roughly equal and reasonable, it's a stiff cut for the host to make almost nothing and is therefore not a fair split. 40/60 and 55/45 are the fairest, depending on which side you want to swing. It's more than reasonable that the host might want to make a little more than the rest of the crew (this was Rockstar's intention anyway, look at their default cut). The default cut also falls in line with the myriad of cinematic parralel we have going on with this game as well as the fact that any boss is going to make more than their crew, whoever they are.

 

I play the game to make money and progress. I assume the vast majority of other players do as well. That means that as a host if someone makes demands on cuts then they basically asked for my foot up their ass. As a member that means I expect the host to stick to default for the most part. Not being an entitled asshat opens up more possibility than claiming the host is f*cking you with 15% and enables a better time in the future not having to deal with assholes and stuff, but then again, look at the replies here and some of the people bitching about their cuts and being assholes about getting default. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

I'm probably being modest when I say that there was perhaps just a smidgen of hostility in that response. From there on and forward, you seem consistently interested responding with vague personal assessments of what you think should be the case, despite never having actually set into motion the events that would allow you to have any real experience with the practice to begin with,

 

That mixed in with your various perceptions of what I am, or where various body parts should exist because of said perceptions, isn't really a good contribution to your counterpoints either. Not that there's really anything to counter - I've made long-term investments as opposed to your short-term alternatives, and I find the generous, and more pronounced investments agreeable. Whether you believe that or not is up to you, but I can rest assured that with what you have said, you'll not only never really change your practices to hinder my own, you were evidently never really an opportunity risk to begin with, what with your dependence on a rather small group of your preference that asks nothing more than peanuts.

 

As another good individual stated, this is a seller's market o sorts, and I'm selling a deal that people are all too eager to buy up....with returns that make angry little rants like your own all the more entertaining to read. Just mention the better results, and watch as you try to conjure all manners of excuses as to why you must absolutely be better because of your desire for immediate payment.

 

 

What do most people want from this game? Money. Most people want money. Something you don't seem to comprehend there. Most hosts want to make some money. Most members want to make some money. Very few people in this game are simply not going to care about money. It's the basis of everything in this game.

 

Apparently you don't seem to get that, thinking I'm making "vague personal assessments of what I think it should be" because that's how it is. Most people want money on here. Simple as that.

 

Taking less money up front as a member because I don't make demands about more than default, then making friends, and then getting paid more, and getting heist members more consistently and readily available is hardly a short sighted approach. In fact, I come out ahead. I'm not the asshat trolling heists and failing over default cuts, I'm completing heists and making friends to more consistently fill my roster of active players. But here you are, making more assumptions about me that are baseless. Oh, I think most hosts will want more than the 15% they walk away with if they do 25% splits, I think the host may actually want more than 40% for various reasons with people in a finale. The fact I accept anything 15% or above as a reasonable cut to give me is so short sighted. You are so right about me, you have me all figured out. More of this talk of investments and alternatives and sh*t. Haha. You're a joke to me right now.

 

You obviously failed when it came to reading comprehension because you seem to not understand a damn thing I said, which is what leads to the conclusion that you've literally disappeared inside your own asshole. Go on, make some more assumptions about me that are totally wrong and baseless simply because I think effectively bribing people into being friends and bolstering you is a stupid approach. You've failed to understand what I've said and on top of that you're making more assumptions about me and my practices when I've said numerous times I expect hosts to make money as a member. You should be pointing the short sighted bullsh*t you're trying to feed me at all the people who actually try to troll heists and waste everyone's time over the default cut, because they're the ones that are short sighted about it. No one's going to bring you back and friend you and pay you more by doing that sh*t. They do that if you're fun and good at the game and don't act like a dickhead.

 

I'll sit here and await your next response which will surely try to bring up something I've never said and act like I said it to hold yourself up in an attempt to give yourself credence.

 

 

Sounds like a personal problem. You should probably get that sorted out.

[Godovermoney]

I go with 20%. The leader should have more because they have to pay in to start the heist, and they don't get paid on setups. I won't take 15 though because that's bull.

[BlueSocks]

 

Sounds like a personal problem. You should probably get that sorted out.

 

 

I accept your defeat.

[BamaGoodfella]

Some people in this thread either need to learn how to use spoilers or take their personal problems to private messages.

 

On topic: Here's how I'd realistically respond to a random that demanded 25% (not that I'd ever play with randoms LOL), and I'll use Pacific Standard as an example.

 

"I try to be fair to everyone including myself. I'm sorry that you weren't around for the setups, but I had to do them to get to this point and if we work well together maybe we can add each other as friends & run this heist again in the future. Crew members get $25,000+ for each of the 5 setups ($25,000 * 5 = $125,000). As host I got nothing for doing the setups leading up to this finale. I also had to pay $100,000 in order to start the heist. Here's why I'm paying you a fair cut of 20%. You would have already made $125,000+ from the setups plus your 20% cut ($250,000) which would equal $375,000. At 40%, I make $500,000 minus my $100,000 initial investment which equals $400,000."

 

If they struggle to understand basic math, then they're probably too damn stupid to be useful in a heist anyway.

[BlueSocks]

Some people in this thread either need to learn how to use spoilers or take their personal problems to private messages.

 

On topic: Here's how I'd realistically respond to a random that demanded 25% (not that I'd ever play with randoms LOL), and I'll use Pacific Standard as an example.

 

"I try to be fair to everyone including myself. I'm sorry that you weren't around for the setups, but I had to do them to get to this point and if we work well together maybe we can add each other as friends & run this heist again in the future. Crew members get $25,000+ for each of the 5 setups ($25,000 * 5 = $125,000). As host I got nothing for doing the setups leading up to this finale. I also had to pay $100,000 in order to start the heist. Here's why I'm paying you a fair cut of 20%. You would have already made $125,000+ from the setups plus your 20% cut ($250,000) which would equal $375,000. At 40%, I make $500,000 minus my $100,000 initial investment which equals $400,000."

 

If they struggle to understand basic math, then they're probably too damn stupid to be useful in a heist anyway.

I'd just tell them that I don't know them, I don't know how they'll perform. Do a good job and we be friends, you'll make 20% (or whatever) after that. Or you can take the extra 5% and pay it to yourself when you host next or whatever. Basically good job = friend = less random for both of us = more money faster = better heistings.

Edited June 21, 2015 by BlueSocks

[rapidwiz]

I wouldn't explain, I would say take the 20% or leave. When it comes to a discussion between 15% - 20% that's different. 25% is only reserved for friends, crew or a leader been very generous. I was once given 30%, I was very surprised since I am normally the one that would give friends 30% and take 10%, so was a pleasant surprise.

 

I still continue to leave any heist that gives me 15%, maybe one day they will get the message. I also find any heist with 15% is normally a complete wreck, so you may as well just leave.

 

I am totally cool with 20%

[Mourticae]

 

 

Sounds like a personal problem. You should probably get that sorted out.

 

 

I accept your defeat.

 

 

Seems like you're prone to accepting a lot of things that don't exist. Explains why you think assumptions are a solid counterargument.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Mourticae

[GR Choke]

didnt realize this would cause huge arguements

[Terrato137]

I don't know them, I don't know how they'll perform

This determines payout.

 

/thread

[Chuter]

Here is how the payout ranking system shakes out for randoms joining in on the pac standard finale on hard difficulty:

 

5%- stupid

10%- low ball

15%- fair

20% - generous

25% - stupid

 

The real range of acceptable payouts is 10-20%, not 15-25% like some people here like to claim. The default payout of 15% is the median payout, give or take 5% depending on how generous/stingy the host wants to be. Anything more or less than that is stupidity on the part of the host, assuming money is a factor for all parties involved.

[BlueSocks]

Here is how the payout ranking system shakes out for randoms joining in on the pac standard finale on hard difficulty:

 

5%- stupid

10%- low ball

15%- fair

20% - generous

25% - stupid

 

The real range of acceptable payouts is 10-20%, not 15-25% like some people here like to claim. The default payout of 15% is the median payout, give or take 5% depending on how generous/stingy the host wants to be. Anything more or less than that is stupidity on the part of the host, assuming money is a factor for all parties involved.

I just use 15% as the base pay, go from there. If someone is getting 10% they've either given up their cut or they're just unreliable or the host is a bit of a scrooge. 15-20 is the basic going rate, anything outside of that is considered an exception in some way, maybe you could say anomalies.

[Mourticae]

didnt realize this would cause huge arguements

 

It's a rather hot topic of debate that's been started (and even ended) several times already. Still, everybody involved has managed to bring interesting considerations as to what they prefer and how it works for them. Nobody's really in the wrong as long as they're content with the results.

[Chuter]

 

didnt realize this would cause huge arguements

 

It's a rather hot topic of debate that's been started (and even ended) several times already. Still, everybody involved has managed to bring interesting considerations as to what they prefer and how it works for them. Nobody's really in the wrong as long as they're content with the results.

 

 

Btw, I read a few of your posts and you sound like the type of person who lets people take advantage of him because you think it'll make you friends. I got some news for you, what makes you friends is having a sense of self-respect and self-worth, not being a pushover and giving away all your rightfully earned cash because you think it'll make people like you more. You think any of those people you gave 30% cuts like you for you, or like you for being their own personal piggy bank they can count on for a short, quick infusion of gta cash? It might be for you, but it definitely didn't start out that way. And I can guarantee you have some people on your friends list who don't like you but keep you around so you'll keep making them money.

 

Get a clue.

[LexBlack1983]

Joined a PacStandard Finale yesterday. The host split like 70/15/5/10... I was the one with 5%... but hell was it fun to f*uck it up near the end.

[Terrato137]

Joined a PacStandard Finale yesterday. The host split like 70/15/5/10... I was the one with 5%... but hell was it fun to f*uck it up near the end.

With the amount PS pays, i'd do the same, because I actually need money.