Perfect response for heist randoms who want "25%"

[BlueSocks]

 

 

 

 

Someone who is mean enough to pay only 15% won't attract high calibre players. Personally RP is the bigger interest for me now, but a host giving themselves 55% is plain greedy. Most heists need team players, and 55% for the host, 15% for the rest, shows contempt for the team.

Rockstar gave the host 55%. This isn't something they set on their own. The developers set it that way. Be glad it's f*cking variable and you can actually choose. It'd almost be better if Rockstar set it as a hard number instead of letting people change it given the stupidity and greed that motivates players. Demanding more money or they'll fail the heist for three other people and sh*t like that as if they're more valuable and matter more than everyone else.

 

 

 

 

Dude tried to pay 15% the other night for Pac Stnd. LOL Me and my buddy on TS were having a blast trolling the punk. 12 restarts later I gave in and left to go to bed. He was not gonna get his 55% payout anyway. He was even dumb enough to let me carry all the money! 20% would have equaled him getting his fair cut. We even played all but the 1st setup with him. Then he kicked our 4th guy and brought in his friend who was a level 20 and wanted to hide the whole way. They wanted to do the lame assed get in the Kuruma bullsh*t. We kept going bikes to the mountain and then

 

You want the job done, You want it done fast and done right. Don't troll the payout 15% buys Fail. 20% gets results. 25% gets you offered to split my cut with the other players and I'll still put in the full effort.

You're an idiot. Default is default for a reason. It's actually fair but your stupid entitled ass doesn't know the definition of that.

 

 

LOL. Whatever dipsh*t. I'll fail every time for 15% f*ck the troll host who wont pay up. It's not my payout that is the problem. It's the host who is greedy enough to think they deserve 55% which is more than the other 3 players are getting total. 40 is fair because of them not getting the payout for the setups and dropping the start up fee. 55% is them being a greedy douche. I couldn't car less about my own money. I'm rich in the game and don't need paid at all. that's why I offer anyone who gives 25% the chance to split the cut 3 ways giving me 0.

 

Keep fooling yourselves. 15% is f*cking people over.

 

20% is minimum fair pay whether I joined your final or helped do the setups. Setups pay so no one deserves more for the final just because they did the setups.

 

20% is maximum fair pay you f*cking twat. Anything more and the host is walking away with far less than what everyone else gets. and that's before you even factor in setup payouts. 15% is not f*cking anyone over and your mentality about it shows how f*cking stupid, entitled and self indulgent this game's community really is.

 

 

I have no issue with paying my team thirty percent. The later returns from patience are infinitely better.

 

 

If all I wanted to do was complete them it wouldn't matter, but most people in this game want to make money. And that means hosts as well. If you want to pay 30% to people that's fine but it's not fair because fair implies roughly equal and reasonable, it's a stiff cut for the host to make almost nothing and is therefore not a fair split. 40/60 and 55/45 are the fairest, depending on which side you want to swing. It's more than reasonable that the host might want to make a little more than the rest of the crew (this was Rockstar's intention anyway, look at their default cut). The default cut also falls in line with the myriad of cinematic parralel we have going on with this game as well as the fact that any boss is going to make more than their crew, whoever they are.

 

I play the game to make money and progress. I assume the vast majority of other players do as well. That means that as a host if someone makes demands on cuts then they basically asked for my foot up their ass. As a member that means I expect the host to stick to default for the most part. Not being an entitled asshat opens up more possibility than claiming the host is f*cking you with 15% and enables a better time in the future not having to deal with assholes and stuff, but then again, look at the replies here and some of the people bitching about their cuts and being assholes about getting default. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

 

...except that I am making progress, by affording the more experienced and effective personnel options with more appealing payouts. The resulting payouts for them make later assignments more appealing, and in the long run, the people on the growing list of experts that I can call will be more open to the once-in-a-while request for a massive adjustment in the pay.

 

It might not seem 'fair', but often times being smart rarely is until further down the line, where it's essentially almost like you're cheating in comparison to the 'I want it now' crowd.

 

Paying 30% to everyone results in you getting basically jack sh*t because 10-10=0 and 10-7=3. So basically you're taking 0-3% of the final pay as a host by doing that. It's idiotic and it's not smart. You're not progressing and all you're doing is overpaying people under this idea that you're making things easier by "making things more appealing" but here's a little secret. Paying a certain amount doesn't change the type of player that you get, it doesn't magically improve their skill, it isn't getting you anywhere fast. You're sure as hell not progressing much beyond completing heists doing that. It's stupid.

 

Your idea that it pays off down the line is inane. Sticking through a heist for 15% and finding out that there's a good player or two there and making a friend and therefore not having to rely on randoms and things like that pays off in the long run. Paying everyone 30% is getting you roughly 10% of what everyone else is getting if that. It is nowhere near the same level. I have no idea where you intend on going making 0-3% of the final heist pay as a host, but maybe your idea of long run and down the line is inching your way toward the goal rather than progressing at a reasonable pace.

[Colbydogs]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

 

I do host, just not for randoms.

 

As a random, we view things differently. I have seen numerous mentions of "hoppers" and how they do not help and somehow do not deserve more. Well the way i see it, as a random who got spam invited to your finale, you and i are both starting on an even playing field. You didn't get paid on the set-ups and neither did i. You getting double my pay 40/20 is about as fair as i see it. You get your money back plus some. So as a random who landed in a finale, double my pay is more than fair and acceptable, considering we both got nothing for the set-ups. Its not my fault you have no friends and my assistance is now required so you can finish your friendless heist. You getting more than triple my pay at that point, not acceptable and is just greedy on the hosts behalf.

 

Why are you not re-inviting the crew who got you to the finale back for the finale ? You random host never seem to justify that with a reasonable answer, which just goes to prove the greed is more on the random host side than the random crew side.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Colbydogs

[Mourticae]

 

 

 

 

 

Someone who is mean enough to pay only 15% won't attract high calibre players. Personally RP is the bigger interest for me now, but a host giving themselves 55% is plain greedy. Most heists need team players, and 55% for the host, 15% for the rest, shows contempt for the team.

Rockstar gave the host 55%. This isn't something they set on their own. The developers set it that way. Be glad it's f*cking variable and you can actually choose. It'd almost be better if Rockstar set it as a hard number instead of letting people change it given the stupidity and greed that motivates players. Demanding more money or they'll fail the heist for three other people and sh*t like that as if they're more valuable and matter more than everyone else.

 

 

 

 

Dude tried to pay 15% the other night for Pac Stnd. LOL Me and my buddy on TS were having a blast trolling the punk. 12 restarts later I gave in and left to go to bed. He was not gonna get his 55% payout anyway. He was even dumb enough to let me carry all the money! 20% would have equaled him getting his fair cut. We even played all but the 1st setup with him. Then he kicked our 4th guy and brought in his friend who was a level 20 and wanted to hide the whole way. They wanted to do the lame assed get in the Kuruma bullsh*t. We kept going bikes to the mountain and then

 

You want the job done, You want it done fast and done right. Don't troll the payout 15% buys Fail. 20% gets results. 25% gets you offered to split my cut with the other players and I'll still put in the full effort.

You're an idiot. Default is default for a reason. It's actually fair but your stupid entitled ass doesn't know the definition of that.

 

 

LOL. Whatever dipsh*t. I'll fail every time for 15% f*ck the troll host who wont pay up. It's not my payout that is the problem. It's the host who is greedy enough to think they deserve 55% which is more than the other 3 players are getting total. 40 is fair because of them not getting the payout for the setups and dropping the start up fee. 55% is them being a greedy douche. I couldn't car less about my own money. I'm rich in the game and don't need paid at all. that's why I offer anyone who gives 25% the chance to split the cut 3 ways giving me 0.

 

Keep fooling yourselves. 15% is f*cking people over.

 

20% is minimum fair pay whether I joined your final or helped do the setups. Setups pay so no one deserves more for the final just because they did the setups.

 

20% is maximum fair pay you f*cking twat. Anything more and the host is walking away with far less than what everyone else gets. and that's before you even factor in setup payouts. 15% is not f*cking anyone over and your mentality about it shows how f*cking stupid, entitled and self indulgent this game's community really is.

 

 

I have no issue with paying my team thirty percent. The later returns from patience are infinitely better.

 

 

If all I wanted to do was complete them it wouldn't matter, but most people in this game want to make money. And that means hosts as well. If you want to pay 30% to people that's fine but it's not fair because fair implies roughly equal and reasonable, it's a stiff cut for the host to make almost nothing and is therefore not a fair split. 40/60 and 55/45 are the fairest, depending on which side you want to swing. It's more than reasonable that the host might want to make a little more than the rest of the crew (this was Rockstar's intention anyway, look at their default cut). The default cut also falls in line with the myriad of cinematic parralel we have going on with this game as well as the fact that any boss is going to make more than their crew, whoever they are.

 

I play the game to make money and progress. I assume the vast majority of other players do as well. That means that as a host if someone makes demands on cuts then they basically asked for my foot up their ass. As a member that means I expect the host to stick to default for the most part. Not being an entitled asshat opens up more possibility than claiming the host is f*cking you with 15% and enables a better time in the future not having to deal with assholes and stuff, but then again, look at the replies here and some of the people bitching about their cuts and being assholes about getting default. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

 

...except that I am making progress, by affording the more experienced and effective personnel options with more appealing payouts. The resulting payouts for them make later assignments more appealing, and in the long run, the people on the growing list of experts that I can call will be more open to the once-in-a-while request for a massive adjustment in the pay.

 

It might not seem 'fair', but often times being smart rarely is until further down the line, where it's essentially almost like you're cheating in comparison to the 'I want it now' crowd.

 

Paying 30% to everyone results in you getting basically jack sh*t because 10-10=0 and 10-7=3. So basically you're taking 0-3% of the final pay as a host by doing that. It's idiotic and it's not smart. You're not progressing and all you're doing is overpaying people under this idea that you're making things easier by "making things more appealing" but here's a little secret. Paying a certain amount doesn't change the type of player that you get, it doesn't magically improve their skill, it isn't getting you anywhere fast. You're sure as hell not progressing much beyond completing heists doing that. It's stupid.

 

Your idea that it pays off down the line is inane. Sticking through a heist for 15% and finding out that there's a good player or two there and making a friend and therefore not having to rely on randoms and things like that pays off in the long run. Paying everyone 30% is getting you roughly 10% of what everyone else is getting if that. It is nowhere near the same level. I have no idea where you intend on going making 0-3% of the final heist pay as a host, but maybe your idea of long run and down the line is inching your way toward the goal rather than progressing at a reasonable pace.

 

 

Seeing as how you're unwilling to try it, I wouldn't expect you to agree with it at all, though I can safely say that the only reason why my plan has worked, is because paying literally twice as much as what you and 'everyone else' (according to you) afford, I don't really need to wade through in such an oblivious fashion as you suggest.

 

I just tell the better people to spread the wealth, and talk. Reputation alone has netted me a growing list of requests for tryouts, which helps significantly in the way of trimming down potential candidates for long-term employment. I get the better candidates faster, more reliably, and for far longer than you.

 

Again, the only reason this works is because people like you (in apparently large quantities) make my affer so appealing. I'm not saying you're bad, or wrong for your views....I'm just saying that paying more has perks, such as ten million in a day...perks you'd never believe because you simply want the money right now.

 

...and I'll ask that you stick with that mindset, because for me, it pays to have such small-time thinking. It pays myself and my crew generously, as long as you and many others do not.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Mourticae

[TCA]

lol at tards who still havent figured out that heists are one of the slowest ways to raise cash in game.

Not if you run Pacific Standard. One loads theirs has people to go finish them and another person loads theirs. Doing 6-7 missions to get to 100-200 can take a few hrs. But compared to PS, way less than that with a payout between 250-300k+. You see where I'm going g with this right? Good.

[Gridl0k]

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[BlueSocks]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

 

I do host, just not for randoms.

 

As a random, we view things differently. I have seen numerous mentions of "hoppers" and how they do not help and somehow do not deserve more. Well the way i see it, as a random who got spam invited to your finale, you and i are both starting on an even playing field. You didn't get paid on the set-ups and neither did i. You getting double my pay 40/20 is about as fair as i see it. You get your money back plus some. So as a random who landed in a finale, double my pay is more than fair and acceptable, considering we both got nothing for the set-ups. Its not my fault you have no friends and my assistance is now required so you can finish your friendless heist. You getting more than triple my pay at that point, not acceptable and is just greedy on the hosts behalf.

 

Why are you not re-inviting the crew who got you to the finale back for the finale ? You random host never seem to justify that with a reasonable answer, which just goes to prove the greed is more on the random host side than the random crew side.

 

 

And you're also an idiot if you think 40 is double what a random joining gets at 20. You are at a 10% deficit as the host right off the bat, so no, it's not double, no, it's not "fair".

 

You are getting paid ONLY to do the finale. The host is getting paid for doing all of the work prior to it, and the finale. If you think you're somehow equal to the host despite the fact you are not locked in for the whole heist, doing all the work, for the finale pay, as well as the 10% deficit just to host, you're a moron. It's as simple as that. And "you random hosts" lol. I don't host for randoms. You realize there's a multitude of reasons the same crew isn't there all the way through right? How about disconnects, they join something else immediately, they just gunned you down at the end of the last setup, someone had to go, someone was trolling or not listening or otherwise made it unnecessarily difficult to complete. It's like you don't think of things like that because you can't see two feet in front of your face.

 

Rockstar set the default to 55/45 for a reason. They didn't do it because it's stiffing anyone, unlike what some of you want to believe.

 

 

 

 

Seeing as how you're unwilling to try it, I wouldn't expect you to agree with it at all, though I can safely say that the only reason why my plan has worked, is because paying literally twice as much as what you and 'everyone else' (according to you) afford, I don't really need to wade through in such an oblivious fashion as you suggest.

 

I just tell the better people to spread the wealth, and talk. Reputation alone has netted me a growing list of requests for tryouts, which helps significantly in the way of trimming down potential candidates for long-term employment. I get the better candidates faster, more reliably, and for far longer than you.

 

Again, the only reason this works is because people like you (in apparently large quantities) make my affer so appealing. I'm not saying you're bad, or wrong for your views....I'm just saying that paying more has perks, such as ten million in a day...perks you'd never believe because you simply want the money right now.

 

...and I'll ask that you stick with that mindset, because for me, it pays to have such small-time thinking. It pays myself and my crew generously, as long as you and many others do not.

 

 

You're an idiot. I don't host for randoms. I have no problems having competent people at 15 or 20% cuts. The same rules apply to them as everyone else, you make demands about your cut and you just demanded your way out of getting anything. So "people like me" do nothing for your "offer". All your offer does is guarantee people will stay and try for it. It doesn't guarantee no trolls, it doesn't guarantee skilled players, it doesn't guarantee anything other than people want it because people are f*cking short sighted and greedy and want as much money as they can get. You can bet your f*cking ass people do the same thing with missions as well because they sit there afk during missions just to get f*cking easy money. The only difference with heists is the variable pay that the host controls. That is literally the only reason it works for you because people are greedy and want all the money they can get. I will take 50% on a heist if someone wants to give it to me, it doesn't make it fair or even though. It's actually quite a stupid cut for anyone but the host.

 

And thinking you have to pay 30% to everyone to get criminal mastermind money. Yeah, I can get that in a day too, all while getting 40-55% cut as a host myself. Who's ahead? I'm gonna give you a hint: it's not you. But by all means continue making assumptions and thinking I'm doing anything for your sh*t ass approach. Hosts also keep people like me (and even pay us more) because we aren't unreasonable ass clowns who think we're entitled to more than they are.

 

 

 

lol at tards who still havent figured out that heists are one of the slowest ways to raise cash in game.

Not if you run Pacific Standard. One loads theirs has people to go finish them and another person loads theirs. Doing 6-7 missions to get to 100-200 can take a few hrs. But compared to PS, way less than that with a payout between 250-300k+. You see where I'm going g with this right? Good.

 

You can run pacific standard in 45 minutes or so, figure 1.1-1.2m for everyone and that's about 390k for crew and about 350k or so for the host at 40/60 splits. You cannot even begin to approach that doing missions.

[Mourticae]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

. If you want to make demands and run the show then you should be hosting.

 

 

I do host, just not for randoms.

 

As a random, we view things differently. I have seen numerous mentions of "hoppers" and how they do not help and somehow do not deserve more. Well the way i see it, as a random who got spam invited to your finale, you and i are both starting on an even playing field. You didn't get paid on the set-ups and neither did i. You getting double my pay 40/20 is about as fair as i see it. You get your money back plus some. So as a random who landed in a finale, double my pay is more than fair and acceptable, considering we both got nothing for the set-ups. Its not my fault you have no friends and my assistance is now required so you can finish your friendless heist. You getting more than triple my pay at that point, not acceptable and is just greedy on the hosts behalf.

 

Why are you not re-inviting the crew who got you to the finale back for the finale ? You random host never seem to justify that with a reasonable answer, which just goes to prove the greed is more on the random host side than the random crew side.

 

 

And you're also an idiot if you think 40 is double what a random joining gets at 20. You are at a 10% deficit as the host right off the bat, so no, it's not double, no, it's not "fair".

 

You are getting paid ONLY to do the finale. The host is getting paid for doing all of the work prior to it, and the finale. If you think you're somehow equal to the host despite the fact you are not locked in for the whole heist, doing all the work, for the finale pay, as well as the 10% deficit just to host, you're a moron. It's as simple as that. And "you random hosts" lol. I don't host for randoms. You realize there's a multitude of reasons the same crew isn't there all the way through right? How about disconnects, they join something else immediately, they just gunned you down at the end of the last setup, someone had to go, someone was trolling or not listening or otherwise made it unnecessarily difficult to complete. It's like you don't think of things like that because you can't see two feet in front of your face.

 

Rockstar set the default to 55/45 for a reason. They didn't do it because it's stiffing anyone, unlike what some of you want to believe.

 

 

 

 

Seeing as how you're unwilling to try it, I wouldn't expect you to agree with it at all, though I can safely say that the only reason why my plan has worked, is because paying literally twice as much as what you and 'everyone else' (according to you) afford, I don't really need to wade through in such an oblivious fashion as you suggest.

 

I just tell the better people to spread the wealth, and talk. Reputation alone has netted me a growing list of requests for tryouts, which helps significantly in the way of trimming down potential candidates for long-term employment. I get the better candidates faster, more reliably, and for far longer than you.

 

Again, the only reason this works is because people like you (in apparently large quantities) make my affer so appealing. I'm not saying you're bad, or wrong for your views....I'm just saying that paying more has perks, such as ten million in a day...perks you'd never believe because you simply want the money right now.

 

...and I'll ask that you stick with that mindset, because for me, it pays to have such small-time thinking. It pays myself and my crew generously, as long as you and many others do not.

 

 

You're an idiot. I don't host for randoms. I have no problems having competent people at 15 or 20% cuts. The same rules apply to them as everyone else, you make demands about your cut and you just demanded your way out of getting anything. So "people like me" do nothing for your "offer". All your offer does is guarantee people will stay and try for it. It doesn't guarantee no trolls, it doesn't guarantee skilled players, it doesn't guarantee anything other than people want it because people are f*cking short sighted and greedy and want as much money as they can get. You can bet your f*cking ass people do the same thing with missions as well because they sit there afk during missions just to get f*cking easy money. The only difference with heists is the variable pay that the host controls. That is literally the only reason it works for you because people are greedy and want all the money they can get. I will take 50% on a heist if someone wants to give it to me, it doesn't make it fair or even though. It's actually quite a stupid cut for anyone but the host.

 

And thinking you have to pay 30% to everyone to get criminal mastermind money. Yeah, I can get that in a day too, all while getting 40-55% cut as a host myself. Who's ahead? I'm gonna give you a hint: it's not you. But by all means continue making assumptions and thinking I'm doing anything for your sh*t ass approach. Hosts also keep people like me (and even pay us more) because we aren't unreasonable ass clowns who think we're entitled to more than they are.

 

 

 

lol at tards who still havent figured out that heists are one of the slowest ways to raise cash in game.

Not if you run Pacific Standard. One loads theirs has people to go finish them and another person loads theirs. Doing 6-7 missions to get to 100-200 can take a few hrs. But compared to PS, way less than that with a payout between 250-300k+. You see where I'm going g with this right? Good.

 

You can run pacific standard in 45 minutes or so, figure 1.1-1.2m for everyone and that's about 390k for crew and about 350k or so for the host at 40/60 splits. You cannot even begin to approach that doing missions.

 

 

Given your hesitance to even acknowledge twenty five percent, I won't judge you for your assumptions towards a strategy that you've never practiced.

 

....and that ten-mil figure is from collective heist take alone, when I ask for assistance. Ten mil a day to your....what? ...two, three million (at most) a week is clearly superior.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Mourticae

[BlueSocks]

Continue making assumptions. Go on. You're clearly right because you pull things out of your ass and run with them as if they are fact.

 

You wanna do some math fun time? In order to get 1 million (let alone 10) you have to run pacific standard on hard roughly thirty times on hard assuming you lose no money. So apparently you manage to do the equivalent of running that 300 times a night hosting at 30% for everyone else that you keep touting. Why even acknowledge 25% when you're up your own ass about 30% for everyone and how superior it is to everything? Even if you take 20% on hard with no money lost you're still looking at needing to do pacific standard about 25 times to net 10 million. And that's including setups. Obviously as a member as well, if you finale hop and lose no money you'd have to do it 40 times to make that money. That is far more approachable than running the entire thing 20+ times a day. Even if you figure 30 minutes a run to make that kind of money (incredibly doubtful) you're looking at around 12 hours of playing nothing but pacific standard with no downtime to pull 10 mil. So either you no life the game to do that, or you no life the game and lie about your take with this 30% bullsh*t, but either way, you're dumping a ton of time into the game to make anywhere near that in a day. But feel free to show how you can possibly pull 10 mil in a day by hosting at even 25%, because even doing that you'd have to do 50 runs of that to manage 10m.

 

The fact that you went on nothing but assumptions that you get anywhere better than me, hold people longer (I've never had anyone refuse heists with me so lol at your f*ckin bullsh*t).

 

Once again, you're an idiot. You conjure up these ideas then use them as points, when in reality they're just making your argument sink like the titanic. The fact that your numbers reek of ostentatious bullsh*t to the point it's basically impossible to do what you claim is cause enough to dismiss this.

[Mourticae]

Continue making assumptions. Go on. You're clearly right because you pull things out of your ass and run with them as if they are fact.

 

You wanna do some math fun time? In order to get 1 million (let alone 10) you have to run pacific standard on hard roughly thirty times on hard assuming you lose no money. So apparently you manage to do the equivalent of running that 300 times a night hosting at 30% for everyone else that you keep touting. Why even acknowledge 25% when you're up your own ass about 30% for everyone and how superior it is to everything? Even if you take 20% on hard with no money lost you're still looking at needing to do pacific standard about 25 times to net 10 million. And that's including setups. Obviously as a member as well, if you finale hop and lose no money you'd have to do it 40 times to make that money. That is far more approachable than running the entire thing 20+ times a day. Even if you figure 30 minutes a run to make that kind of money (incredibly doubtful) you're looking at around 12 hours of playing nothing but pacific standard with no downtime to pull 10 mil. So either you no life the game to do that, or you no life the game and lie about your take with this 30% bullsh*t, but either way, you're dumping a ton of time into the game to make anywhere near that in a day. But feel free to show how you can possibly pull 10 mil in a day by hosting at even 25%, because even doing that you'd have to do 50 runs of that to manage 10m.

 

The fact that you went on nothing but assumptions that you get anywhere better than me, hold people longer (I've never had anyone refuse heists with me so lol at your f*ckin bullsh*t).

 

Once again, you're an idiot. You conjure up these ideas then use them as points, when in reality they're just making your argument sink like the titanic. The fact that your numbers reek of ostentatious bullsh*t to the point it's basically impossible to do what you claim is cause enough to dismiss this.

 

Thirty percent is the usual, though when I ask for help, people are willing to facilitate a wild turn-around of only five to each. Ten mil is possible because I already have a decent enough supply of people to accommodate such a grind.

 

You're not only making assumptions, you're deliberately trying to make said assumptions supportive of your argument.

[BlueSocks]

You tout on about how you make 10 mil a day hosting at 30% for everyone. Yeah, right. So you don't. Yet you're the one touting about 30% for everyone and how you make that hosting.

 

You're the one assuming I host for randoms. You're the one assuming I make a few mil in a week which is laughable, you're the one assuming you keep people interested in helping you longer than me, you made numerous baseless claims in regards to how everything works for you compared to me. I started refuting the facts which are you saying how you pull 10 mil in a day by hosting at 30% each and other such sh*t. So don't come at me claiming I try to make assumptions and make them supportive, you did exactly what you're saying I did when the only things I said were based directly on your claims. I didn't say that I have more people at the ready, for longer, more willing, whatever other bullsh*t you spouted off about. You did that, when I never made any statements about my activities or anything. Making money isn't the only thing I do in this game, so I don't care if you make more than me, but your assumptions and attempts to use them to somehow make your thing look better because "you make 10 mil a day to my 3 mil a week" is f*cking inane. You've proven how stupid you are by saying things like that.

 

I spend time racing, f*cking off in free roam, I do heists, I do missions, I make jobs, I'm not sitting there f*cking heisting for 10 hours a day (as if I have that kind of time to just no life this game) as well as playing other games. So quite frankly, I don't give a f*ck if you make more than me, but the fact is your assumptions and attempts to use them to support you are f*cking stupid.

Edited June 20, 2015 by BlueSocks

[Mourticae]

You tout on about how you make 10 mil a day hosting at 30% for everyone. Yeah, right. So you don't. Yet you're the one touting about 30% for everyone and how you make that hosting.

 

You're the one assuming I host for randoms. You're the one assuming I make a few mil in a week which is laughable, you're the one assuming you keep people interested in helping you longer than me, you made numerous baseless claims in regards to how everything works for you compared to me. I started refuting the facts which are you saying how you pull 10 mil in a day by hosting at 30% each and other such sh*t. So don't come at me claiming I try to make assumptions and make them supportive, you did exactly what you're saying I did when the only things I said were based directly on your claims. I didn't say that I have more people at the ready, for longer, more willing, whatever other bullsh*t you spouted off about. You did that, when I never made any statements about my activities or anything. Making money isn't the only thing I do in this game, so I don't care if you make more than me, but your assumptions and attempts to use them to somehow make your thing look better because "you make 10 mil a day to my 3 mil a week" is f*cking inane. You've proven how stupid you are by saying things like that.

 

I spend time racing, f*cking off in free roam, I do heists, I do missions, I make jobs, I'm not sitting there f*cking heisting for 10 hours a day (as if I have that kind of time to just no life this game) as well as playing other games. So quite frankly, I don't give a f*ck if you make more than me, but the facts are your assumptions and attempts to use them to support you are f*cking stupid.

 

You seem to be having difficulty understanding my responses.

 

When I host, I give thirty percent, though from time to time I do ask a few from my list of trusted crew members to essentially reverse the formula for a day. At the max payout for one person, for the length of a day with a team of people who can finish the heists in a relatively short amount of time, how much do you think you could earn in that one day?

 

You're voluntarily overlooking certain answers to your own questions - to try and defeat a system that only works so long as you convince people not to use it.

[RossCA]

Not that I demand 25%, but if anyone said that to me I'd just leave.

I'd wait for it to get to 0% then fuk up the whole heist right at the end.

[Mourticae]

 

Not that I demand 25%, but if anyone said that to me I'd just leave.

I'd wait for it to get to 0% then fuk up the whole heist right at the end.

 

 

 

 

It's even more entertaining if you're working with two other friends.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Mourticae

[Colbydogs]

LOL, I'm the idiot ? Last I checked, 20+20=40 so yea, 2x20=40 which equals double. Even when u factor in the deduction, you as a host ( who didn't get paid for set-ups ) still walk away with 10% more than I do as a random ( who also did not get paid for the set-ups ) who landed in the finale. Last I checked, 30% is still higher than 20%. And that 10% only counts if you are on normal, not hard. So regardless of the minor fractions, you are still trying to justify your own greed by pulling the 55/45 BS.

 

IDKGAF about you drudging through set-ups without me. The fact remains, you and I ( joining in on the finale only ) are on a level playing field by not getting any extra money ( via set-ups ) and both of us are counting on the final heist for the payday. Not to mention, YOU need us more than we need you. So no matter how you spin it, a 40/20/20/20 split, you walk away with more money than I do. And you are just as much of a random to me as I am to you. You could very easily be the weakest link and if I am going to sit through several attempts, then it needs to be worth the random crewmates time. And anything less than 20% is a waste of my time, especially on normal. ( which gives you that 10% deduction you mentioned ).

 

And for someone who says you do not play with randoms, you sure as hell are a crappy ass friend or crewmate to grandstand on your greedy 55/45 pay scale.

[BlueSocks]

LOL, I'm the idiot ? Last I checked, 20+20=40 so yea, 2x20=40 which equals double. Even when u factor in the deduction, you as a host ( who didn't get paid for set-ups ) still walk away with 10% more than I do as a random ( who also did not get paid for the set-ups ) who landed in the finale. Last I checked, 30% is still higher than 20%. And that 10% only counts if you are on normal, not hard. So regardless of the minor fractions, you are still trying to justify your own greed by pulling the 55/45 BS.

 

IDKGAF about you drudging through set-ups without me. The fact remains, you and I ( joining in on the finale only ) are on a level playing field by not getting any extra money ( via set-ups ) and both of us are counting on the final heist for the payday. Not to mention, YOU need us more than we need you. So no matter how you spin it, a 40/20/20/20 split, you walk away with more money than I do. And you are just as much of a random to me as I am to you. You could very easily be the weakest link and if I am going to sit through several attempts, then it needs to be worth the random crewmates time. And anything less than 20% is a waste of my time, especially on normal. ( which gives you that 10% deduction you mentioned ).

 

And for someone who says you do not play with randoms, you sure as hell are a crappy ass friend or crewmate to grandstand on your greedy 55/45 pay scale.

 

The fact the host did all the setups, in fact, means you are not on an even playing field. Get out of your ass and you might see that.

 

Did I ever say I host at 55/45? No? Right. You're assuming.

 

I have friends who host at 55/45. It's understood between all of us that anything at or above 15 is fair game. If someone is really hurting for money, they put it at 55, if they aren't, they put it at 40. I have only hosted at 40/60 with friends and other people I'm familiar with. So there goes your sh*t assumption theory. Rockstar set the default there for a reason, it is the second fairest cut, but the fairest that allows the host to walk away with more than anyone else. This is far from unreasonable. Obviously Rockstar thought so and ultimately they designed the game, so I think they have a f*cking clue about it better than you clowns might.

 

You're an idiot for saying a 40/60 for the host is always fair and they always walk away with more than you simply because it comes out to that for the finale, for you. The host, on the other hand, has spent all the time setting it up and it is hardly unreasonable for them to want more than you, especially since your ass is unproven to them and they have no idea how you'll perform. You don't bet all your f*cking money on a wild card or dark horse under the impression that they're going to do exactly as expected and perform well, it's a f*cking risk. Someone with a record that is known is better than someone who has no known record. That is what happens when you play with people, you know how they'll perform. Sorry you have your head too far up your ass to see it.

 

 

 

You tout on about how you make 10 mil a day hosting at 30% for everyone. Yeah, right. So you don't. Yet you're the one touting about 30% for everyone and how you make that hosting.

 

You're the one assuming I host for randoms. You're the one assuming I make a few mil in a week which is laughable, you're the one assuming you keep people interested in helping you longer than me, you made numerous baseless claims in regards to how everything works for you compared to me. I started refuting the facts which are you saying how you pull 10 mil in a day by hosting at 30% each and other such sh*t. So don't come at me claiming I try to make assumptions and make them supportive, you did exactly what you're saying I did when the only things I said were based directly on your claims. I didn't say that I have more people at the ready, for longer, more willing, whatever other bullsh*t you spouted off about. You did that, when I never made any statements about my activities or anything. Making money isn't the only thing I do in this game, so I don't care if you make more than me, but your assumptions and attempts to use them to somehow make your thing look better because "you make 10 mil a day to my 3 mil a week" is f*cking inane. You've proven how stupid you are by saying things like that.

 

I spend time racing, f*cking off in free roam, I do heists, I do missions, I make jobs, I'm not sitting there f*cking heisting for 10 hours a day (as if I have that kind of time to just no life this game) as well as playing other games. So quite frankly, I don't give a f*ck if you make more than me, but the facts are your assumptions and attempts to use them to support you are f*cking stupid.

 

You seem to be having difficulty understanding my responses.

 

When I host, I give thirty percent, though from time to time I do ask a few from my list of trusted crew members to essentially reverse the formula for a day. At the max payout for one person, for the length of a day with a team of people who can finish the heists in a relatively short amount of time, how much do you think you could earn in that one day?

 

You're voluntarily overlooking certain answers to your own questions - to try and defeat a system that only works so long as you convince people not to use it.

 

So you turn it around from hosting 30% to now someone is getting the max payout to obtain your 10 million in a day, wow, you're a genius. I could get people to do the same f*cking thing for me if I wanted to. I'm not going around claiming I make (or can) 10m a day or any of your other bullsh*t. You've literally disappeared up your own ass. You first resorted to making assumptions and claims based on those assumptions about your experience and performance of heist members compared to me (we call those baseless claims). So don't try to turn this around on me, mister I make 10 mil a day to your 3 mil a week. Especially like the amount I make f*cking matters. I'm sure plenty of us can walk away with 10 mil in a day if we have people jack up our pay. You claim all this sh*t as if it puts you in a better spot than me. If I ask for help I get it. End of story. I don't even need to get out there and have random people crawling up my ass to take advantage of my pay (which is apparently the way you have to go to get friends, bribing them lol).

 

Basically, no sh*t anyone and their mother can make that much if they have people jack up their pay, that's nothing special, your claims are entirely pointless, especially considering you first resorted to saying how you get a better experience and performance than me as well as trying to say you make 10 mil a day while I make a few a week. You started with the stupid there, I even stuck directly to statements you made. I'll go ahead and throw out there that your use of terms like personnel and "assignments" for heists makes you look like a joke too lol. I had a good laugh at this whole thing. I hope you never change because your adamant neglect to even admit you made baseless claims and assumptions while accusing me of doing that is quite amusing.

[NomadRider]

"im rich, idgaf about the money but i want 25%"

 

Derpalerpaderpderpderp I'm too dumb to actually read all of what you have posted so I'll just make retarded assumptions about you and try to act like I'm being superior and scolding you and sh*t. Calling you names and general asstard butthurtish forum superiority crap

 

 

blah blah blah communist.

 

Maybe go back and read the part where I tell hosts who offer 25% to give me 0. I mean if your gonna misquote me at least read all of my posts.

 

And yes 15% will get you trolled every time. 20% gets the job done because that's the fair going rate.

[Bxx]

 

"im rich, idgaf about the money but i want 25%"

 

Derpalerpaderpderpderp I'm too dumb to actually read all of what you have posted so I'll just make retarded assumptions about you and try to act like I'm being superior and scolding you and sh*t. Calling you names and general asstard butthurtish forum superiority crap

 

blah blah blah communist.

Maybe go back and read the part where I tell hosts who offer 25% to give me 0. I mean if your gonna misquote me at least read all of my posts.

 

And yes 15% will get you trolled every time. 20% gets the job done because that's the fair going rate.

 

You said yourself you'll fail if the host gives you 15%. I seriously don't understand your logic or whatever you're trying to achieve, or you just like to contradict yourself?

 

 

LOL. Whatever dipsh*t. I'll fail every time for 15% f*ck the troll host who wont pay up.

[NomadRider]

 

Maybe go back and read the part where I tell hosts who offer 25% to give me 0. I mean if your gonna misquote me at least read all of my posts.

 

And yes 15% will get you trolled every time. 20% gets the job done because that's the fair going rate.

 

You said yourself you'll fail if the host gives you 15%. I seriously don't understand your logic or whatever you're trying to achieve, or you just like to contradict yourself?

 

LOL. Whatever dipsh*t. I'll fail every time for 15% f*ck the troll host who wont pay up.

 

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

[SkynetOnlineID]

Too many idiots arguing with other idiots in this thread.

 

Does the host not get paid in set ups? For some reason I do when I host. I'm on PS3.

 

If you do the Maths 40/20/20/20 is fair.

[Colbydogs]

 

LOL, I'm the idiot ? Last I checked, 20+20=40 so yea, 2x20=40 which equals double. Even when u factor in the deduction, you as a host ( who didn't get paid for set-ups ) still walk away with 10% more than I do as a random ( who also did not get paid for the set-ups ) who landed in the finale. Last I checked, 30% is still higher than 20%. And that 10% only counts if you are on normal, not hard. So regardless of the minor fractions, you are still trying to justify your own greed by pulling the 55/45 BS.

 

IDKGAF about you drudging through set-ups without me. The fact remains, you and I ( joining in on the finale only ) are on a level playing field by not getting any extra money ( via set-ups ) and both of us are counting on the final heist for the payday. Not to mention, YOU need us more than we need you. So no matter how you spin it, a 40/20/20/20 split, you walk away with more money than I do. And you are just as much of a random to me as I am to you. You could very easily be the weakest link and if I am going to sit through several attempts, then it needs to be worth the random crewmates time. And anything less than 20% is a waste of my time, especially on normal. ( which gives you that 10% deduction you mentioned ).

 

And for someone who says you do not play with randoms, you sure as hell are a crappy ass friend or crewmate to grandstand on your greedy 55/45 pay scale.

 

 

 

 

You're an idiot for saying a 40/60 for the host is always fair and they always walk away with more than you simply because it comes out to that for the finale, for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't this what its all about, me ?

 

You can quit with the name calling. it makes your argument weak. And as for the comprehension, this seems to fail you as well. Again, we do not care about you suffering through set-ups, not my problem, it is your cross to bare, not ours. You as host and me as a random on the finale only, we both have received nothing prior to said finale, correct ? You cannot change the numbers, they are what they are, its 0-0 score at that moment. So we are on an even playing field because neither of have been paid yet nor will we get paid until the finale is complete. So a 40/60 split, you DO ( as host ) walk away with more than your random heist crew does, thats facts, bold hard facts. Now if we are talking about playing with heist crew from start to finish, then a 40/60 split is unfair with the heist crew walking away with slightly more than a host. But on the finale only ( we are talking about random finale crew right ? ) you make more money than we do. This is basic math, 0-0 equals 0. Your 40% to my 20% is double, not a bad deal as a host who is relying on randoms to complete a finale.

[Bxx]

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

[BlueSocks]

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

He's an idiot asshat. I've pointed out that by trolling and f*cking up the heist you're affecting three other players, that means you're saying you are more important than all three of them. This includes inconveniencing people who are not at all responsible for cuts and treating them as if they are as "evil" as the host would be. it's f*cking juvenile and it just shows the kind of mentality rampant in this community. Bunch of entitled self indulgent greedy little sh*ts.

[SkynetOnlineID]

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

[BlueSocks]

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

 

Greedy is demanding the host give you a certain cut above the default (especially when just joining the finale) and then f*cking it up for the three other players in the room (two of which are not the host if you weren't aware).

 

It's a really sh*t way to be and it will get you nowhere. You're saying you're more important than everyone else in the room and you will waste all of their time just because you think you're entitled to more than the default cut.

 

I'll give it to people who do it for 10, or especially 5 or 0. That's just a dick move and people should speak up for the host to not do that to others as well (not just themselves)

Edited June 20, 2015 by BlueSocks

[hornedturtle]

 

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

 

Greedy is demanding the host give you a certain cut above the default (especially when just joining the finale) and then f*cking it up for the three other players in the room (two of which are not the host if you weren't aware).

 

It's a really sh*t way to be and it will get you nowhere. You're saying you're more important than everyone else in the room and you will waste all of their time just because you think you're entitled to more than the default cut.

It's safe to assume the other 2 randoms are prepared for the "f*ck ups". Hell they probably didn't leave just to watch the fails in action.

[BlueSocks]

 

 

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

 

Greedy is demanding the host give you a certain cut above the default (especially when just joining the finale) and then f*cking it up for the three other players in the room (two of which are not the host if you weren't aware).

 

It's a really sh*t way to be and it will get you nowhere. You're saying you're more important than everyone else in the room and you will waste all of their time just because you think you're entitled to more than the default cut.

It's safe to assume the other 2 randoms are prepared for the "f*ck ups". Hell they probably didn't leave just to watch the fails in action.

 

Possibly, but it's really a dick move to f*ck it up for everyone just because the host gave you the default cut. This isn't the fleeca job. I'm glad we have threads like this though because they show the kind of people who I want to avoid because they're busy saying how they f*ck everything up if they get the default cut and adamantly demand 20% or higher. I don't care if I host at 20% for everyone or 30% or 10%, they aren't pleasant people to be around and it's infantile tantrum throwing I don't want to be around. The fact that people feel they should go to such lengths shows that they aren't the kind of people I actually want to voluntarily be around.

[SkynetOnlineID]

 

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

 

Greedy is demanding the host give you a certain cut above the default (especially when just joining the finale) and then f*cking it up for the three other players in the room (two of which are not the host if you weren't aware).

 

It's a really sh*t way to be and it will get you nowhere. You're saying you're more important than everyone else in the room and you will waste all of their time just because you think you're entitled to more than the default cut.

 

 

Well that's your opinion. Mine is clearly different. You assume too much which is what makes you sound stupid. I never said I am more important then everyone else. I don't think it's greedy to troll someone trying to under pay. I certainly don't care if that looks juvenile because it's just a game. The default isn't a equal split if you calculate it out mathematically. 40/20/20/20 is the closes to a equal and fair split.

 

Calling another user on these forums a "asshat" just because he didn't have the same opinion isn't going to get you far. Either calm down or get out of this thread.

Edited June 20, 2015 by SkynetOnlineID

[Colbydogs]

 

 

 

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

 

Greedy is demanding the host give you a certain cut above the default (especially when just joining the finale) and then f*cking it up for the three other players in the room (two of which are not the host if you weren't aware).

 

It's a really sh*t way to be and it will get you nowhere. You're saying you're more important than everyone else in the room and you will waste all of their time just because you think you're entitled to more than the default cut.

It's safe to assume the other 2 randoms are prepared for the "f*ck ups". Hell they probably didn't leave just to watch the fails in action.

 

Possibly, but it's really a dick move to f*ck it up for everyone just because the host gave you the default cut. This isn't the fleeca job. I'm glad we have threads like this though because they show the kind of people who I want to avoid because they're busy saying how they f*ck everything up if they get the default cut and adamantly demand 20% or higher. I don't care if I host at 20% for everyone or 30% or 10%, they aren't pleasant people to be around and it's infantile tantrum throwing I don't want to be around. The fact that people feel they should go to such lengths shows that they aren't the kind of people I actually want to voluntarily be around.

 

When it comes to heists, you really do want people like Skynet and myself around......we get sh*t done ! have had the pleasure of playing GTAV with him several times through our mutual friends, we do not fail, we make lots of money and we have fun while doing so. Very good asset to have on your team, he helped a few of my friends complete the CMM and if we were your friend, we'd help you too.

 

And for the record, when we do heists, we split it 25/25/25/25 as a standard. So you can shove that default.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Colbydogs

[BlueSocks]

Well that's your opinion. Mine is clearly different. You assume too much which is what makes you sound stupid. I never said I am more important then everyone else. I don't think it's greedy to troll someone trying to under pay. I certainly don't care if that looks juvenile because it's just a game. The default isn't a equal split if you calculate it out mathematically. 40/20/20/20 is the closes to a equal and fair split.

 

Calling another user on these forums a "asshat" just because he didn't have the same opinion isn't going to get you far. Either calm down or get out of this thread.

 

 

Yeah, and the default also ends with the host getting less money than everyone else in the end. Rockstar set it up so that like in any reasonable scenario the boss gets more money than the help. I know what the math is on all the cuts, I broke the numbers down the first day heists came out, I'm well aware of pretty much every possible scenario and what it means. The host gets about 30% more than everyone else with a 55/45 split and everyone else gets about 20% more than the host with a 40/60 split with the exception of pacific standard which the host can make more on but only if you do it on hard and make it out with more than like 1.18m which puts you around even with everyone else then the host starts getting less.

 

Here's the problem with your argument. You say you're not saying you're more important than anyone else by trolling, but that's exactly what your actions are saying when you f*ck it up for the two people who had sh*t all to do with your cut. You have basically said you are more important than them, your satisfaction and experience is more important and higher than theirs, because you take precedence over them. You hold a priority, no matter how they feel about the cuts or wanting to complete it. You are wasting their time for something someone else did. So yes, by f*cking it up for them, you are saying you're more important than them. You don't have to use words to say things. I'm pretty sure punching someone in the face or treating them like sh*t or like the best thing ever say things quite clearly despite never having to speak a word.

 

If someone is trying to pay less than default, then go for it. The others should speak up against that as well, but expecting and demanding more than default or you'll waste everyone's time is ridiculously juvenile. You'd be better off making the money, maybe making a friend or three and not having to deal with randoms, assuming they're good and pleasant players. But no, let's f*ck it up for all of them because I'm not happy with my cut because I matter more than them. I want 20 or you're not finishing. Yeah, it's all about you when you f*ck it up for 15.

 

When it comes to heists, you really do want people like Skynet and myself around......we get sh*t done ! have had the pleasure of playing GTAV with him several times through our mutual friends, we do not fail, we make lots of money and we have fun while doing so. Very good asset to have on your team, he helped a few of my friends complete the CMM and if we were your friend, we'd help you too.

 

 

 

No, if you're failing for default cuts, you are the kind of people I do not want around. It's a dickhead move and I will straight up refuse to heist with people who intentionally f*ck things up on the premise of greed and default not being good enough. I've seen people f*ck around and die, leading to fails and things like that, but that's different from intentionally failing and trolling everyone in the heist.

Edited June 21, 2015 by BlueSocks

[Bxx]

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

 

 

 

No host deserves 55% of the cut. So at 15%.the host is trolling me for that ridiculously low payout compared to his 55%. In turn I will troll the troll. 20% is the fair pay rate. 25% I tell them to keep split my cut with the other 2 players. At 25% they have shown generosity and I return that by offering to play for free.

 

I earned the money I have in the game and I don't need more but I don't feel that host should get rich off of a me. I'm not a charity!

I have the feeling you're trolling me right now.

 

Well play the way you want to play, but like I said in the other post, the heist isn't just you and the other host, the other two players might be satisfied with a 15% cut, and might just want to go with it, hell, I'm sure I would. If you think that isn't fair then the leave button is right there, you're no internet justice maker, in fact you're actually trolling two other players who likely don't have the same twisted mentality you do.

 

Twisted mentality? There's no need to be rude. I sometimes do the same as NormadRider and troll hosts who are being greedy. You get what you pay for.

 

It's twisted because of the way he approaches things is just beyond my understanding:

 

If 15% - f*ck up the heist

If 20%/25% - ask the host to give me 0% and split between the others.

 

Tell me if something like this is normal? The said person doesn't care about the money, yet he cares to flex his ego because in his mind the leader cannot have 55%, despise the fact the leader had to put through 4 setup missions for 0$, plus the initial heist costs.

 

For the third time I say this, by "trolling" peoples heists you're not making justice to anyone, you're being a dick wasting the time of 2 innocent players because you got a beef with the host's decisions. And like BlueSocks said it just shows how much you only care about yourself since you're willing to shaft 3 people over silly egocentrical problems:

"How dare someone make that much money when they made more effort than I did?!"

 

This morning I joined the Humane Finale 3 times from randoms, in all of the 3 times we only got 15% cuts any no one really bitched about it, everyone played smoothly and been friendly to each other post heist, or even if someone screwed up. Sure, I get it that this might not be fine for you, you're free to think that. But there is a leave button right there, you can just quit the heist on planning board if you're not happy with the outcome. It is that simple.

 

I'm generous and give 20% anyway, I don't have patience to explain in game why 15% is the best and default payout, I already do this here in the forums where I can take my time and write long texts to be clear as possible. And yet, people still don't get it.

 

C'est la vie.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Bxx88