Why does everyone feel sorry for Trevor and Brad?

[MrDeSanta]

When Michael betrayed them. If he wouldn`t do this then Trevor and Brad would do the same and worse to him and his family as evidenced by the dialogue between Trevor and Wayde.

 

"Trevor: So little Trevor made a new friend called Brad, and he was thinking about cutting Mike off, when it all went to sh*t and Mike got killed and Brad went to jail!"

 

I think Mike did the right thing and he didn`t do it so much for himself but for his family. He was in fear for his young family and he knew Trevor can freak out any moment.

And i hate how the story is always portraying Michael as the bad backstabber while Trevor is just a poor naive soul who is "loyal" and a good friend.

Bullsh*t! It`s totally reverse in my opinion.

 

Your thoughts on this?

[TovarishTony]

Trevor actually cares about Michael's family and actually friends with Jimmy as calls him Uncle T or Uncle Trevor. Also Trevor's advices to Michael about parenting during Fame or Shame

[Spadge]

Where did you pick up that everyone feels sorry for T & Brad ? I recall most people not giving a sh*t.

[Real_Badgirl]

I don't, that's for sure. If I was Michael, I would have done the same thing.

 

And Brad? Screw him. He's only in the game for five minutes or so, but he seemed like a real jackass.

[Peachrocks]

I assume by everyone you mean, why does the story attempt to make us feel sorry for Trevor in this situation?

 

I know I dont. Not once do I feel any sympathy for him even when the story borderline demands it. No, not even after Mrs Phillips, or when Patricia returns to Martin, not once. Why? Because it seems Rockstar forgot about how it's pretty hard to feel sympathy for a character who murders people who have helped them and manipulates others into basically being his servant and further more as mentioned, he's about as if not even more treacherous than Michael and on top of all this continually bitches about how much of a snake Michael is? Look in the mirror chucklehead.

 

See Michael might be a treacherous dick but he loathes himself for it, like he's a compulsive liar, he says as much numerous times, especially at the end of the story and he makes attempts to overcome his shortcomings. Trevor however shows not only no remorse, for any of these things he does and then the story demands we sympathize at given moments? Um no? Aside the fib nonsense, Trevor is the biggest reason the story just falls apart and its a shame because it really has potential.

[NikoBellicGTAIV]

Trevor actually cares about Michael's family and actually friends with Jimmy as calls him Uncle T or Uncle Trevor. Also Trevor's advices to Michael about parenting during Fame or Shame

Bitch, please...

Edited June 7, 2015 by NikoBellicGTAIV

[CarlitoDorito]

Brads bragging about shoving a woman's face up against the glass made him very unlikeable for me, the way he said it, ultimate turd. I couldn't feel sorry for him. Am I in a minority?!

 

I never really felt sorry for Trevor, I didn't know you was meant to.

Edited June 7, 2015 by CarlitoDorito

[MrDeSanta]

Trevor actually cares about Michael's family and actually friends with Jimmy as calls him Uncle T or Uncle Trevor. Also Trevor's advices to Michael about parenting during Fame or Shame

LMFAO!

Trevor didn`t give a flying f*ck about Mike`s family. It`s just that R* couldn`t come up with a better and more creative excuse to introduce us their reuniting. And besides how can a guy like Trevor even like or care about someone? He was meant to care about Ron and Wade also right? And all he ever did was abusing them.

He was probably a f*cking pedophille as well seing him saying to Lazlow "that little girl (Tracey) sat on my lap when she was 2 yrs old and i swear to god i`ll rip the f*cking skin off anyone who`d f*cking wronged her"...

 

I`m having a really hard time to imagine that a f*cked up mess of a person like Trevor wouldn`t do anything bad to a little girl when siting on his lap.

Trevor is the most f*cked up video game character ever and he`s the reason this game has such terrible storyline.

If it was for Michael and Franklin only then maybe the things would have been better.

 

So what Michael did back in Yankton was the only right thing to do. Trevor would do the same he just wasn`t fast enough. And Brad was another piece of sh*t who deserved to die in pain. The reason is what Carlito already said.

Remember when Mike said to Dave in one mission..."Then what? Then Trevor beheads me, kills my family or raises them as his own, i don`t know which one is worse tho".

That`s exactly what Trevor planned to do to Mike and his family if Mike wouldn`t think faster and smarter than him. And later in the game after they reunited he simply didn`t have the balls to do that because he knew that Mike is under the protection of FIB. And since Trevor was basically a coward and a pussy (he only bullied weak people who were too weak to stand up for themselves whereas he was still a little bitch to others) beneath all that "psycho killer" look and appearance, he shat himself when he saw FIB is protecting Michael.

Edited June 7, 2015 by MrDeSanta

[The Dedito Gae]

your threads are biased sh*t.

[MrDeSanta]

your threads are biased sh*t.

And your posts are boring crap. Now f*ck off if you don`t like it. Noone forced you to read it.

[The Dedito Gae]

 

your threads are biased sh*t.

And your posts are boring crap. Now f*ck off if you don`t like it. Noone forced you to read it.this is not a hugbox for your moaning,is a FORUM, which means anyone is free to post, maybe you don't realize but you are being biased on your "analisis" on Trevor. Edited June 7, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[MrDeSanta]

 

 

your threads are biased sh*t.

And your posts are boring crap. Now f*ck off if you don`t like it. Noone forced you to read it.

this is not a hugbox for your moaning,is a FORUM, which means anyone is free to post, maybe you don't realize but you are being biased on your "analisis" on Trevor.

 

I know you like Trevor and i`m not coming at you because of that. I except and respect your opinion so you try to do the same.

I don`t see a problem really. If i`m not angry at your posts for liking Trevor then you shouldn`t be angry at my posts for hating Trevor neither.

[bensons]

I felt so sorry for Trevor that I had to shoot him.

[The Dedito Gae]

I know you like Trevor and i`m not coming at you because of that. I except and respect your opinion so you try to do the same.

I don`t see a problem really. If i`m not angry at your posts for liking Trevor then you shouldn`t be angry at my posts for hating Trevor neither.

look,i'm not angry because you hate Trevor, i'm angry because you are completly biased and you are falling for Michael too hard, if Trevor was such a backstabbing prick, he would have shoot Michael in "bury the hatchet"

but he didn't, in fact, he refused to help Franklin to kill Michael, something that he didn't do.

if Trevor was a pedo, he would have raped Jimmy or Tracy many times.

but he didn't ,in fact, he cares about them (granted, you can insult them in free roam)

if Trevor was such a pussy and coward as you said, he wouldn't be a gta protagonist, he and Michael were about to fight a couple of times.

is perfect if you don't like him, but just don't make sh*t up and tell people to f*ck off when they point your bullsh*t in one of your multiple threads whining about Trevor, i could also do the same and say that Michael beats Amanda and Jimmy, has sex with cars or gets drunk and sleeps with Jimmy.

[NDH92]

Michael and Trevor's relationship should have played out from a neutral perspective i.e. Franklin's POV. Instead we got a constant back and forth between Michael's POV, then Trevor's, then back to Michael's.

[Peachrocks]

Michael and Trevor's relationship should have played out from a neutral perspective i.e. Franklin's POV. Instead we got a constant back and forth between Michael's POV, then Trevor's, then back to Michael's.

 

With it all meaning nothing because of what I've already posted. The point of view doesn't matter because the whole episode is meaningless. Any rational person can understand Michael's reasons whether you agree with them or not, but Trevor's reasons? No. None of that makes sense, it's a contradictory mess.

 

The only way a character like Trevor was ever going to work was as if he did not have emotional baggage. Functioning more as a mercenary, an acquaintance who was a little put out with Michael's death but pretty indifferent and used to that sort of thing by now. There was plenty of other ways to move the plot aside a drama which means absolutely nothing. The fact Michael was meant to be a compulsive liar is reflected numerous times in other places in the plot, Trevor should have been the only person who really didn't give a damn for as long as it didn't impact on his well being. Not the person who cares the most because that just makes him look like a massive hypocrite.

Edited June 7, 2015 by Peachrocks

[MrDeSanta]

 

Michael and Trevor's relationship should have played out from a neutral perspective i.e. Franklin's POV. Instead we got a constant back and forth between Michael's POV, then Trevor's, then back to Michael's.

 

With it all meaning nothing because of what I've already posted. The point of view doesn't matter because the whole episode is meaningless. Any rational person can understand Michael's reasons whether you agree with them or not, but Trevor's reasons? No. None of that makes sense, it's a contradictory mess.

 

The only way a character like Trevor was ever going to work was as if he did not have emotional baggage. Functioning more as a mercenary, an acquaintance who was a little put out with Michael's death but pretty indifferent and used to that sort of thing by now. There was plenty of other ways to move the plot aside a drama which means absolutely nothing. The fact Michael was meant to be a compulsive liar is reflected numerous times in other places in the plot, Trevor should have been the only person who really didn't give a damn for as long as it didn't impact on his well being. Not the person who cares the most because that just makes him look like a massive hypocrite.

 

I agree.

Tbh today was the first time i heard this line "Trevor: So little Trevor made a new friend called Brad, and he was thinking about cutting Mike off, when it all went to sh*t and Mike got killed and Brad went to jail!" because i somehow always arrived to the Floyd`s place before Trevor said this. So yes i`m a little biased because i believed that Trevor wouldn`t cut Michael off ever.

[Cutter De Blanc]

I think we can all agree that Brad was a piece of trash, and no one should feel sorry for him?

[Ixnay]

"Cutting Mike off.." Yeah, I kinda feel like they put that in so that we wouldn't think Mike was such a prick for what he did. Kind of a shifty way to say "It's ok to treat someone like sh*t if they do it first (or plan to)."

Edited June 7, 2015 by Ixnay

[craigdyid]

 

Trevor actually cares about Michael's family and actually friends with Jimmy as calls him Uncle T or Uncle Trevor. Also Trevor's advices to Michael about parenting during Fame or Shame

LMFAO!

Trevor didn`t give a flying f*ck about Mike`s family. It`s just that R* couldn`t come up with a better and more creative excuse to introduce us their reuniting. And besides how can a guy like Trevor even like or care about someone? He was meant to care about Ron and Wade also right? And all he ever did was abusing them.

He was probably a f*cking pedophille as well seing him saying to Lazlow "that little girl (Tracey) sat on my lap when she was 2 yrs old and i swear to god i`ll rip the f*cking skin off anyone who`d f*cking wronged her"...

 

I`m having a really hard time to imagine that a f*cked up mess of a person like Trevor wouldn`t do anything bad to a little girl when siting on his lap.

Trevor is the most f*cked up video game character ever and he`s the reason this game has such terrible storyline.

If it was for Michael and Franklin only then maybe the things would have been better.

 

So what Michael did back in Yankton was the only right thing to do. Trevor would do the same he just wasn`t fast enough. And Brad was another piece of sh*t who deserved to die in pain. The reason is what Carlito already said.

Remember when Mike said to Dave in one mission..."Then what? Then Trevor beheads me, kills my family or raises them as his own, i don`t know which one is worse tho".

That`s exactly what Trevor planned to do to Mike and his family if Mike wouldn`t think faster and smarter than him. And later in the game after they reunited he simply didn`t have the balls to do that because he knew that Mike is under the protection of FIB. And since Trevor was basically a coward and a pussy (he only bullied weak people who were too weak to stand up for themselves whereas he was still a little bitch to others) beneath all that "psycho killer" look and appearance, he shat himself when he saw FIB is protecting Michael.

 

 

 

I personally like Trevor but I'm not going to go all fanboy about anyone who doesn't and I can see why they might not like him. But I think that insinuating from the dialouge that he was a pedophile is way over the top. I do however agree with the guy who said what he did to Ron was sad. It wasn't just sad but was a VERY unnecessary thing for Rockstar to add in.

[Peachrocks]

 

 

Trevor actually cares about Michael's family and actually friends with Jimmy as calls him Uncle T or Uncle Trevor. Also Trevor's advices to Michael about parenting during Fame or Shame

 

LMFAO!

Trevor didn`t give a flying f*ck about Mike`s family. It`s just that R* couldn`t come up with a better and more creative excuse to introduce us their reuniting. And besides how can a guy like Trevor even like or care about someone? He was meant to care about Ron and Wade also right? And all he ever did was abusing them.

He was probably a f*cking pedophille as well seing him saying to Lazlow "that little girl (Tracey) sat on my lap when she was 2 yrs old and i swear to god i`ll rip the f*cking skin off anyone who`d f*cking wronged her"...

 

I`m having a really hard time to imagine that a f*cked up mess of a person like Trevor wouldn`t do anything bad to a little girl when siting on his lap.

Trevor is the most f*cked up video game character ever and he`s the reason this game has such terrible storyline.

If it was for Michael and Franklin only then maybe the things would have been better.

 

So what Michael did back in Yankton was the only right thing to do. Trevor would do the same he just wasn`t fast enough. And Brad was another piece of sh*t who deserved to die in pain. The reason is what Carlito already said.

Remember when Mike said to Dave in one mission..."Then what? Then Trevor beheads me, kills my family or raises them as his own, i don`t know which one is worse tho".

That`s exactly what Trevor planned to do to Mike and his family if Mike wouldn`t think faster and smarter than him. And later in the game after they reunited he simply didn`t have the balls to do that because he knew that Mike is under the protection of FIB. And since Trevor was basically a coward and a pussy (he only bullied weak people who were too weak to stand up for themselves whereas he was still a little bitch to others) beneath all that "psycho killer" look and appearance, he shat himself when he saw FIB is protecting Michael.

 

 

I personally like Trevor but I'm not going to go all fanboy about anyone who doesn't and I can see why they might not like him. But I think that insinuating from the dialouge that he was a pedophile is way over the top. I do however agree with the guy who said what he did to Ron was sad. It wasn't just sad but was a VERY unnecessary thing for Rockstar to add in.

In all seriousness why do you like Trevor? I mean I loathe the character sure but there are some moments where I do think he had a lot of potential. I ask because you mentioned about stuff he did to Ron.

 

Also no, I don't think Trevor is a pedophile either, his relationship with Tracey and Jimmy is one of the better things about the character.

[Psychotic Bison]

None of the three protagonists deserve sympathy. They are all horrible and evil people. This point is made multiple times throughout the main story.

 

The only thing that makes Franklin better than the other two is his sense of loyalty. But that only goes so far. All three are murderers, thugs and thieves and all three are going to hell.

 

So I personally don't feel bad for any of them. They all deserve one another.

[Shadowfennekin]

Because Michael is a snake. He betrays his best friend and is all calm and not caring when his crew dies, even willing to leave Franklin in the Bureau Raid.

He has no sense of loyalty

 

 

Trevor actually has loyalty, he refuses to kill Michael when Franklin asks him to. Trevor's the most loyal of the trio.

[Doctor-D666]

Legit i've always hated Trevor, i personally see no difference between him and ANY famous serial killer in history (besides the fact he's a video-game character). If i didn't like to always play the game canonically, killing Trevor is the easiest thing i could do.

[Peachrocks]

Because Michael is a snake. He betrays his best friend and is all calm and not caring when his crew dies, even willing to leave Franklin in the Bureau Raid.

He has no sense of loyalty

 

 

Trevor actually has loyalty, he refuses to kill Michael when Franklin asks him to. Trevor's the most loyal of the trio.

Yes because murdering Floyd and manupilating Wade is real loyalty... His loyalty is limited to Michael and anyone who he perceives as valuable to him that he can't manupilate and even then he has a really odd way of showing it continually doing things that he KNOWS will displease Michael. If someone continually puts you in an awkward position one could interpret that as being disloyal.

 

I'm not going to say Michaels a good guy, he's not supposed to be, he's meant to come across as a snake but because Trevor continually does things that put Michael in an awkward position both before and after Michaels feigned death, it makes Michaels response look rational and it's not supposed to look rational.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Peachrocks

[GingerIceCube]

Ah, the great confusion of English pronouns. Trevor said, "So little Trevor made a new friend called Brad, and he was thinking of cutting Mike off[...]." Now, that he could've been referring to either Brad or Trevor. The immediate syntax indicates he was talking about himself, but it's ambiguous. Trevor tells Franklin in a post-Ending C conversation that he was considering killing Brad himself at one point, only that he wouldn't have done it in such a 'treacherous' way as Michael. And the thing is, 'cutting off' isn't the same as killing. If T was planning to cut Mike off, he was probably just going to let him go back to his family and stop dragging him along for heists. It's mentioned (again, in a post-Ending C conversation) that Michael wanted to leave the game, but Trevor just kept pushing him harder because he didn't want him to go.

Personally, what I think happened is that Brad was thinking of cutting Michael off, and he convinced Trevor to do the same (it's all but confirmed in-canon that Michael and Brad couldn't stand each other), and that put Brad on Trevor's bad side as well, because God forbid anyone keeps him away from Michael. Trevor's whole relationship with Brad is confusing, come to that. In several scenes, he acts like he really cared about him and misses him a lot, but in others he acts like he hated him just as much as everyone else and wanted to kill him. I really hope they expand on that in a Ludendorff prequel, not to mention Michael and Trevor's relationship before it all went to sh*t post-Prologue.

Anyway, I agree with Midnight Hitman. Trevor had multiple chances to kill Michael, but he never did. All other flaws aside, he's loyal as hell, and he loves his friends (particularly Michael and his kids) much more than he lets on. He only killed Floyd and Debra because they were holding him at knifepoint/gunpoint, and it's shown that he really regrets it after - the look on his face and the way he makes sure Wade doesn't find out is just so telling. </3 I also don't think T's a pedophile, MrDeSanta. He's a lot of horrible things sexually - including a rapist and a necrophiliac - but he's not a pedophile. He nursed Tracey on his lap when she was two years old because Michael is like a brother to him, which makes his kids like a niece and nephew to him (hence why Jim and Trace call him 'Uncle T'/'Uncle Trevor' and clearly care a lot about him).

That being said, I don't blame Michael for what he did either. Trevor is terrifying, and Brad is... well, as we see in the prologue and other characters' referals to him, Brad seemed like a pretty sh*tty person. I'm actually working on an article right now about why I don't blame Michael for treating Trevor so badly, even though Michael does care about him and sticks his neck out for him many times. Michael is terrible at reading people, even someone he's known as long as Trevor, and it's not unreasonable to see why he thinks T wants to kill him and/or his family anyway. Trevor's very unstable, and his good points aren't always easy to see - especially if you're a borderline sociopath like Michael. I mean, M literally had to be told by Franklin to stop being such a dick late in the game; before that, he had no idea what a selfish asshole he was being, despite Trevor's constant reminders. I absolutely love Michael. He's my favorite fictional character of all-time, and I've spent hours and hours analyzing the sh*t out of him, writing essays on him, debating about him, etc. But even if I didn't love him, I'd still have to concede that he had every reason to be scared of Trevor and to dislike Brad.

But to answer this thread: I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I feel sorry for T and Brad is because, first and foremost, they're human beings. Brad was shot in the lung and didn't even see it coming. He was in so much agony and fear as he bled out, he actually clutched at Michael in terror, despite hating him so much. I find that heartbreaking, and I'm the sort of soft pussy person who thinks no one deserves to die like that, not even murderers and robbers. I feel sorry for Trevor because he was betrayed by the person he loved and trusted more than anyone else, twice. Michael handing him over to the FIB to save himself was betrayal #01 (understandable as it was), and Michael making Trevor grieve for him for nine years was betrayal #02. I don't love Trevor as much as I love Michael, but I do have a ton of empathy for T. I love Michael way too much as well, so I can definitely sympathize with Trevor doing the same thing.

Edited June 8, 2015 by GingerIceCube

[Homicidal Hipster]

Ah, the great confusion of English pronouns. Trevor said, "So little Trevor made a new friend called Brad, and he was thinking of cutting Mike off[...]." Now, that he could've been referring to either Brad or Trevor. The immediate syntax indicates he was talking about himself, but it's ambiguous. Trevor tells Franklin in a post-Ending C conversation that he was considering killing Brad himself at one point, only that he wouldn't have done it in such a 'treacherous' way as Michael. And the thing is, 'cutting off' isn't the same as killing. If T was planning to cut Mike off, he was probably just going to let him go back to his family and stop dragging him along for heists. It's mentioned (again, in a post-Ending C conversation) that Michael wanted to leave the game, but Trevor just kept pushing him harder because he didn't want him to go.

 

Personally, what I think happened is that Brad was thinking of cutting Michael off, and he convinced Trevor to do the same (it's all but confirmed in-canon that Michael and Brad couldn't stand each other), and that put Brad on Trevor's bad side as well, because God forbid anyone keeps him away from Michael. Trevor's whole relationship with Brad is confusing, come to that. In several scenes, he acts like he really cared about him and misses him a lot, but in others he acts like he hated him just as much as everyone else and wanted to kill him. I really hope they expand on that in a Ludendorff prequel, not to mention Michael and Trevor's relationship before it all went to sh*t post-Prologue.

 

Anyway, I agree with Midnight Hitman. Trevor had multiple chances to kill Michael, but he never did. All other flaws aside, he's loyal as hell, and he loves his friends (particularly Michael and his kids) much more than he lets on. He only killed Floyd and Debra because they were holding him at knifepoint/gunpoint, and it's shown that he really regrets it after - the look on his face and the way he makes sure Wade doesn't find out is just so telling. </3 I also don't think T's a pedophile, MrDeSanta. He's a lot of horrible things sexually - including a rapist and a necrophiliac - but he's not a pedophile. He nursed Tracey on his lap when she was two years old because Michael is like a brother to him, which makes his kids like a niece and nephew to him (hence why Jim and Trace call him 'Uncle T'/'Uncle Trevor' and clearly care a lot about him).

 

That being said, I don't blame Michael for what he did either. Trevor is terrifying, and Brad is... well, as we see in the prologue and other characters' referals to him, Brad seemed like a pretty sh*tty person. I'm actually working on an article right now about why I don't blame Michael for treating Trevor so badly, even though Michael does care about him and sticks his neck out for him many times. Michael is terrible at reading people, even someone he's known as long as Trevor, and it's not unreasonable to see why he thinks T wants to kill him and/or his family anyway. Trevor's very unstable, and his good points aren't always easy to see - especially if you're a borderline sociopath like Michael. I mean, M literally had to be told by Franklin to stop being such a dick late in the game; before that, he had no idea what a selfish asshole he was being, despite Trevor's constant reminders. I absolutely love Michael. He's my favorite fictional character of all-time, and I've spent hours and hours analyzing the sh*t out of him, writing essays on him, debating about him, etc. But even if I didn't love him, I'd still have to concede that he had every reason to be scared of Trevor and to dislike Brad.

 

But to answer this thread: I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I feel sorry for T and Brad is because, first and foremost, they're human beings. Brad was shot in the lung and didn't even see it coming. He was in so much agony and fear as he bled out, he actually clutched at Michael in terror, despite hating him so much. I find that heartbreaking, and I'm the sort of soft pussy person who thinks no one deserves to die like that, not even murderers and robbers. I feel sorry for Trevor because he was betrayed by the person he loved and trusted more than anyone else, twice. Michael handing him over to the FIB to save himself was betrayal #01 (understandable as it was), and Michael making Trevor grieve for him for nine years was betrayal #02. I don't love Trevor as much as I love Michael, but I do have a ton of empathy for T. I love Michael way too much as well, so I can definitely sympathize with Trevor doing the same thing.

are you the one who wrote the trikey fanpage by any chance?

[GingerIceCube]

are you the one who wrote the trikey fanpage by any chance?

OMG! I've been recognized. XDDD Yes, I am. ^^ I actually wanted to link my tumblr on the picture I have on the sig, but the HTML kept screwing me over. >: (

Edited June 8, 2015 by GingerIceCube

[Homicidal Hipster]

 

are you the one who wrote the trikey fanpage by any chance?

OMG! I've been recognized. XDDD Yes, I am. ^^ I actually wanted to link my tumblr on the picture I have on the sig, but the HTML kept screwing me over. >: ( I thought so. I loved reading that by the way, your a very talented writer. are you thinking about updating it.

[Uncle Vlad]

I kinda like Michael and Trevor, but I´m not a huge fan of one of them. I think both of them acted like pricks in the past and during the events of V. So admitting that they both were assholes and finally settling their differences makes sense to me. And this is one of the reasons I always choose the C ending.