GTAO Casino Opening Prediction

[KoingWolf]

Most definitions of gambling include "pay to play" aspects as well as recieving money as rewards. Shark Cards don't mean sh*t because they're entirely optional. I can make GTA$ a dozen different ways in the game without spending a penny on Shark Cards. So the pay to play qualifier is gone. The only thing you can win is GTA$, which cannot in any way be redeemed for real money, or anything at all in the real world, or anything that could be used outside of the game. So it fails again. We've already had race betting for a year and a half without incidence. There's no reason R* can't open the casino if they want to.

 

Even if they don't want to risk it, they could still "open" the casino by giving it an interior and making it a future heist location.

You don't HAVE to buy GTA$ to gamble, but you can. Which brings up the problems.

 

Again, introducing a new currency that is not purchasable completely negates that, but as is... Not gonna happen. If it would, you guys really don't think another game or two or three or hundreds wouldn't have already been made with the option to buy more chips?

 

It's a legal issue in total.

[richard1997jones]

My prediction is last year.

[Garland137]

 

Most definitions of gambling include "pay to play" aspects as well as recieving money as rewards. Shark Cards don't mean sh*t because they're entirely optional. I can make GTA$ a dozen different ways in the game without spending a penny on Shark Cards. So the pay to play qualifier is gone. The only thing you can win is GTA$, which cannot in any way be redeemed for real money, or anything at all in the real world, or anything that could be used outside of the game. So it fails again. We've already had race betting for a year and a half without incidence. There's no reason R* can't open the casino if they want to.

Even if they don't want to risk it, they could still "open" the casino by giving it an interior and making it a future heist location.

You don't HAVE to buy GTA$ to gamble, but you can. Which brings up the problems.

Again, introducing a new currency that is not purchasable completely negates that, but as is... Not gonna happen. If it would, you guys really don't think another game or two or three or hundreds wouldn't have already been made with the option to buy more chips?

It's a legal issue in total.

The fact that it is optional is what's important. If I can play for free without ever buying anything, than it does not meet the pay to play qualifier, therefore it does not meet the legal definition of gambling. The GTA$ cannot be redeemed for any real money or anything of value outside of the game itself, so it once again fails to meet the definition. It fails to qualify as gambling in two different ways.

 

And I have no idea what your point is about optional poker chips; no real casinos are going to pay out to someone who made no bets with real money.

[RogerWho]

Man, sooooooooooo many things a billion times cooler than a stupid casino could be in GTAO.

 

Which means...

 

We'll get a stupid casino.

[NubcakeVII]

It will open. Why would it not? R* pay close attention to their audience and it's clear that this is what the audience want. Plus, in terms of their profits it would help to shift a hell of a lot more Shark cards

We've been saying that for a year and a half.

 

Maybe with story DLC.

[MikhailKozlov]

Back in 2013 I heard an alleged Martin Madrazo's phonecall saying a new casino oppened, I talked with Madrazo's voice actor on Twitter asking him about that and I personally believe that Rockstar actually had plans to make something about a casino after that conversation.

 

Here's the conversation in spanish:

https://twitter.com/Alainlazaro/status/406258122890551296

 

Here's my translation:

 

-Me: Can you tell us something about the rumours of the casinos in GTA Online?

 

-Alfredo: I don't know what are you talking about so I can't say anything

 

-Me: There's a phonecall of Martin Madrazo reporting they oppened a new casino, are you sure you don't know nothing about?

 

-Alfredo: Obviously I can't say anything about the game...

 

-Me: Ok...

[KoingWolf]

Back in 2013 I heard an alleged Martin Madrazo's phonecall saying a new casino oppened, I talked with Madrazo's voice actor on Twitter asking him about that and I personally believe that Rockstar actually had plans to make something about a casino after that conversation.

 

Here's the conversation in spanish:

https://twitter.com/Alainlazaro/status/406258122890551296

 

Here's my translation:

 

-Me: Can you tell us something about the rumours of the casinos in GTA Online?

 

-Alfredo: I don't know what are you talking about so I can't say anything

 

-Me: There's a phonecall of Martin Madrazo reporting they oppened a new casino, are you sure you don't know nothing about?

 

-Alfredo: Obviously I can't say anything about the game...

 

-Me: Ok...

CASINOS CONFIRMED!!!

Time to put out the YouTube videos!

[gtafan26]

If it ever opens I'll be outside laughing at all the people spending money on shark cards and pissing it on rigged games. Then I'll line the outside with mines.

And I will walk out in passive mood , so..........

 

 

That has literally nothing to do with gambling in a casino though... Wtf, are you two for real or just the new neighborhood cool troll kids? I've been off this forum for awhile.

It is still paying real life money for fake money to win or lose fake money. Dont get cranky.

But that's not what gambling laws, in the context of opening an online casino, counts as. That's not even really gambling, that's just putting a wager up for the performance of something you have control over.

 

Nothing at all like putting a stack or two up for card flipping or rolling the ball on the wheel or pulling a lever.

 

Since you seem to be an expert, why dont you cite some of these laws please.

Edited June 7, 2015 by gtafan26

[saintsrow]

The Casino isn't going to happen, just forget about it. All we're getting are some cars, clothes and a agun.

 

Do you not think Rockstar would state before the update was released that the Casino would be opening seeing as it's something a lot of people want?

Indeed; Rockatar would bait us with a whole year of hype, consisting mainly of a series of marketing press releases, a couple of ambiguous and misleading trailers full of actions we can't actually perform, and about 6 screenshots, spread out of the year.

 

 

 

 

 

The Casino most likely will never open due to online gambling laws and restrictions across the world, primarily in the United States.

This. The fact you can buy cash cards and then effectively bet it all in an online casino will mean it will not open online.

Only way to avoid it is by making it a secondary, unrelating currency. But at that point what do you do, give everyone a set amount to start and once you bust out, game over?

Or do you replenish X amount of chips after X amount of time, thus negating ALL risks.

It just isn't going to work. If I had the choice i would just bet 0 or 00 in roulette with a stupid amount of money, every day, till I win tens of millions or even more.

It just does not work for GTA Online.

 

We'll cash in Job Points for chips.

 

EDIT: PS: "Bet everything on horse race, lose, don't save" is the way I made my millions in GTA-SA. I never needed cash after I found that. I think I stopped at a billion dollars.

 

EDIT 2: Gambling with real money in video games was shot down several years ago: Second Life Shuts Down Gambling

Edited June 8, 2015 by saintsrow

[Chang]

Oh hellz yes, i'm on this casino hype train..

 

Picturings this:

 

Ability to buy aparment in casino with 4 car garage with a $500000 high roller payment.

 

No limit hold'em

Slots

Craps

21

Shows

Horse races

 

Go broke and owe casino money, hitmen come after ya.

 

The whole june 10th 1938 got me hyped. Why else a wednesday release? Cuz of max platform release? Nah, cuz the chips are arrivings on Tuesday night.

 

Also note, when the third garage was sprung in update was a surprise.

 

i Chang

[gtabeast420]

This is my opinion. I dont see the casino opening is because story mode has not interacted with the story at all yet.. I could be wrong but I see something like "drug dealing" "property purchase" something else other than the casino. If we was to get mansions & casinos now, what epic dlc could they have planned besides more heist in the future? They have to save ideas & Content for later dates remember rockstar has to keep players intrigued until gta 6.

[Ronrollin9434]

Maybe.

 

The Casino most likely will never open due to online gambling laws and restrictions across the world, primarily in the United States.

This. The fact you can buy cash cards and then effectively bet it all in an online casino will mean it will not open online.Still shouldn't matter. We should be able to use real money to buy VIRTUAL CHIPS, to play VIRTUAL casinos games. As long as we can't transfer those virtual chips back to REAL LIFE MONEY, it can be legal.

 

There are plenty of app store poker games that let you buy virtual chips, and are legal. Sites like Pokerstar that used to allow people to cash in their virtual chips, no longer allow that. So, I really think Rockstar doesn't have an excuse, you know?

Edited June 8, 2015 by Ronrollin9434

[JWitfield]

I will be standing outside spamming this..

 

Gambling Problem? Call (800) 848-1880

 

MOD FYI REAL NUMBER SHOULD KEEP IT HERE FOR SAFETY SAKE.

 

A number used to spam at a place I used to work at. Why yes a casino.

Edited June 8, 2015 by JWitfield

[KoingWolf]

 

If it ever opens I'll be outside laughing at all the people spending money on shark cards and pissing it on rigged games. Then I'll line the outside with mines.

And I will walk out in passive mood , so..........

 

 

That has literally nothing to do with gambling in a casino though... Wtf, are you two for real or just the new neighborhood cool troll kids? I've been off this forum for awhile.

It is still paying real life money for fake money to win or lose fake money. Dont get cranky.

But that's not what gambling laws, in the context of opening an online casino, counts as. That's not even really gambling, that's just putting a wager up for the performance of something you have control over.

 

Nothing at all like putting a stack or two up for card flipping or rolling the ball on the wheel or pulling a lever.

 

Since you seem to be an expert, why dont you cite some of these laws please.

 

 

IANAL.

 

Simple Google-ing of Federal laws, Federal lawsuits, take downs, and general situations with previous games, online companies, and arguments from regulators show that it's a serious legal issue and hurdle that GTA Online will not be tackling any time soon.

 

At least without the options of a secondary currency. Again, the issue is primarily with a Casino and gambling environment being in conjunction with the ability to buy cash. YOU might not buy any and YOU might not ever cash the chips out for more GTA Cash, but the virtual casino business is still regulated on a Federal level. With good reason too, because even though you will not be cashing out for any actual hard cash there are still a million ways people have tried to think about workarounds for years now. (An example; you gamble and win a ton, then sell the actual account for cash.)

 

This is the last post I'm gonna make regarding this, I just don't care enough about it to copy/ paste and format my posts to cite different court cases and arguments that can very easily be found by using the Google and, let's be honest, will be mostly ignored anyway by people, as it already has from others who have made the same points I'm making now.

[Ronrollin9434]

Why do people mention "online gambling laws" like it's relavent in this situation?

 

Again, there's nothing illegal about giving people the option to buy something virtual -- that includes poker chips or any sort of virtual casino curency online.

 

 

What's illegal is the player having the option to exchange their virtual currency/chips and cash them in for actual, real world money. That's when it becomes gambling. So Rockstar could eailsly implement gambling into the game, so long as they don't give us the option of cashing in for real money. Its quite simple. I've played plenty of poker games, including on Xbox, that let you buy poker chips with real money, but you can't cash in with your winnings or profit. Its simple for entertainment value.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Ronrollin9434

[Flachbau]

I don't see why people want the Casino so badly. The casinos in GTA SA were boring and I can bet they'll be the exact same way in GTAV/O.

[thebrianmo]

okay so i know most people are looking forward to the cars in the next update, but that's not all. i thought to myself "ill gotten gains," what does that mean.then i remembered about how the casino says coming soon, right? well, i looked up the casino on gta wiki and its real life resemblance is the Hollywood park race track, which had a casino.Did you know that the day that the racetrack was opened was on June 10. Coincidence? I think not.

The Casino is NOT opening, not ever, deal with it!

[JWitfield]

Why do people mention "online gambling laws" like it's relavent in this situation?

 

Again, there's nothing illegal about giving people the option to buy something virtual -- that includes poker chips or any sort of virtual casino curency online.

 

 

What's illegal is the player having the option to exchange their virtual currency/chips and cash them in for actual, real world money. That's when it becomes gambling. So Rockstar could eailsly implement gambling into the game, so long as they don't give us the option of cashing in for real money. Its quite simple. I've played plenty of poker games, including on Xbox, that let you buy poker chips with real money, but you can't cash in with your winnings or profit. Its simple for entertainment value.

Chinese spammers of wow come to mind for some reason.

[Ronrollin9434]

I don't see why people want the Casino so badly. The casinos in GTA SA were boring and I can bet they'll be the exact same way in GTAV/O.

There's nothing boring about gambling online with real other people. Playing slot machines in a single player game can get boring. I'd never play poker against a computer, too boring. But can you imagine how fun it would be in a no limits poker game betting big amounts of money against other people online? That'd be more fun than betting the supposed stock market we were supposed to get.

 

That would be freaking cool if we could join "poker lobbies" even be on call for poker lobbies. That way, you wouldn't have to only rely on the people in your session to play poker. There would be a little poker marker on the map, in front of the casino, and it'd be like joining any other race or mission. You'd redirect to a lobby with other people playing poker. Imagine tournaments, and come and go games.

 

That sounds fun, you have to admit.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Ronrollin9434

[MusicMan05]

 

 

If it ever opens I'll be outside laughing at all the people spending money on shark cards and pissing it on rigged games. Then I'll line the outside with mines.

And I will walk out in passive mood , so..........

 

 

That has literally nothing to do with gambling in a casino though... Wtf, are you two for real or just the new neighborhood cool troll kids? I've been off this forum for awhile.

It is still paying real life money for fake money to win or lose fake money. Dont get cranky.

But that's not what gambling laws, in the context of opening an online casino, counts as. That's not even really gambling, that's just putting a wager up for the performance of something you have control over.

 

Nothing at all like putting a stack or two up for card flipping or rolling the ball on the wheel or pulling a lever.

 

Since you seem to be an expert, why dont you cite some of these laws please.

 

 

IANAL.

 

Simple Google-ing of Federal laws, Federal lawsuits, take downs, and general situations with previous games, online companies, and arguments from regulators show that it's a serious legal issue and hurdle that GTA Online will not be tackling any time soon.

 

At least without the options of a secondary currency. Again, the issue is primarily with a Casino and gambling environment being in conjunction with the ability to buy cash. YOU might not buy any and YOU might not ever cash the chips out for more GTA Cash, but the virtual casino business is still regulated on a Federal level. With good reason too, because even though you will not be cashing out for any actual hard cash there are still a million ways people have tried to think about workarounds for years now. (An example; you gamble and win a ton, then sell the actual account for cash.)

 

This is the last post I'm gonna make regarding this, I just don't care enough about it to copy/ paste and format my posts to cite different court cases and arguments that can very easily be found by using the Google and, let's be honest, will be mostly ignored anyway by people, as it already has from others who have made the same points I'm making now.

 

 

Actually they can have a casino online, as long as there's no way to turn the in game cash back into real currency. If there was a way to turn GTA $s back into PSN/Live/Steam credit then it would fall under federal regulations. PlayStation Home had a casino that allowed you to buy more chips. If it wasn't illegal for Sony/Digital Leisure to allow players to buy chip packs up to $20 to bet with in their online casino, there's no legal problem using shark card cash to play.

 

That being said, I think if/when they do add a casino it'll be a paid DLC, not a free update. If they allow us to enter the casino online, it'll have it's own lobby with the weapon wheel disabled. The main floor would have slot machines, horse race betting, a bar, and maybe a souvenir/clothing shop with exclusive clothing/items, while side rooms (lobbies) would feature games like poker, blackjack, etc.

Edited June 8, 2015 by MusicMan05

[LeakyLine]

Stop the damn casino threads

[Chang]

No limitings hold'em in Red Dead Redemption was the bee's knees. Until it broke.

 

Come ON CASeeNO, don't fail me now!

<rolls dice>

 

i Chang

[PoeticWhisper]

Just give me a way to gamble my money on Blackjack and Texas Hold 'Em. It doesn't even have to be a casino, just open a bar and make a shady table for people to play like in Red Dead.

[A Maned Wolf]

 

The Casino isn't going to happen, just forget about it. All we're getting are some cars, clothes and a agun.

 

Do you not think Rockstar would state before the update was released that the Casino would be opening seeing as it's something a lot of people want?

Certainly not in this update no, but it will happen

 

Its been happening for going on 2 2/4 years.

It ain't freaking happening.

[Rpbertgta]

I want The Casino.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Rpbertgta

[Pizentu]

 

 

If it ever opens I'll be outside laughing at all the people spending money on shark cards and pissing it on rigged games. Then I'll line the outside with mines.

And I will walk out in passive mood , so..........

 

 

That has literally nothing to do with gambling in a casino though... Wtf, are you two for real or just the new neighborhood cool troll kids? I've been off this forum for awhile.

It is still paying real life money for fake money to win or lose fake money. Dont get cranky.

But that's not what gambling laws, in the context of opening an online casino, counts as. That's not even really gambling, that's just putting a wager up for the performance of something you have control over.

 

Nothing at all like putting a stack or two up for card flipping or rolling the ball on the wheel or pulling a lever.

 

Since you seem to be an expert, why dont you cite some of these laws please.

 

 

IANAL.

 

Simple Google-ing of Federal laws, Federal lawsuits, take downs, and general situations with previous games, online companies, and arguments from regulators show that it's a serious legal issue and hurdle that GTA Online will not be tackling any time soon.

 

At least without the options of a secondary currency. Again, the issue is primarily with a Casino and gambling environment being in conjunction with the ability to buy cash. YOU might not buy any and YOU might not ever cash the chips out for more GTA Cash, but the virtual casino business is still regulated on a Federal level. With good reason too, because even though you will not be cashing out for any actual hard cash there are still a million ways people have tried to think about workarounds for years now. (An example; you gamble and win a ton, then sell the actual account for cash.)

 

This is the last post I'm gonna make regarding this, I just don't care enough about it to copy/ paste and format my posts to cite different court cases and arguments that can very easily be found by using the Google and, let's be honest, will be mostly ignored anyway by people, as it already has from others who have made the same points I'm making now.

 

 

 

Dude, Nothing you say means anything to your claim. What you are arguing against is already happening and has been happening for YEARS!!!!!! Online poker sites are already a thing. You buy fake money with real money and cant cash out. Doing it in GTAV would be NO different. There is no validity to your claim of "illegal". This has been discussed a million times and people using your argument fail every time. MAYBE your claim is on point for some other country but not here in the US. Im sorry, you are just wrong here.

[CrysisAverted]

I predict R* will work out something with the World Bank so we can convert our in-game cash to real money

[huckmonkey]

Casino will never open. Same with stock market

[BarryRiley]

 

okay so i know most people are looking forward to the cars in the next update, but that's not all. i thought to myself "ill gotten gains," what does that mean.then i remembered about how the casino says coming soon, right? well, i looked up the casino on gta wiki and its real life resemblance is the Hollywood park race track, which had a casino.Did you know that the day that the racetrack was opened was on June 10. Coincidence? I think not.

The Casino is NOT opening, not ever, deal with it!

 

 

Looks like we have a credible source here guys. Move on, nothing more to see

[The420Kng]

Probably some gambling law stopping the casino from opening up,maybe they dont want 8 year old kids getting hooked on poker