Ghoffman9 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) I find it shocking how Rockstar still had not fixed passive mode abuse, especially since there is a fix that can be implemented with ease. In a lot of cases players who love to kill others whos death was imminent or worried about facing redemption will turn on passive to avoid retaliation or to use it to protect themselves when they're most vulnerable. Examples being players killing others in a jet, and when shot down they turn on passive till they get another jet and then turn it off. Basically these players only engage others when they have a powerful advantage over them, and when that advantage is taken away and the situation no longer in their favor they turn on passive, rig the game to again be in their favor, turn off passive rinse and repeat. A simple solution to this is to not allow players to turn on passive for a period of time. They just have to go by the example of games such as World of Warcraft. In World of Warcraft if you flag yourself for pvp and kill a player you cannot immediately unflag yourself. You have to wait for 5 minutes of real time to go by without engaging in any pvp combat to be able to unflag yourself. What Rockstar simply needs to do is make players wait for 5 minutes, during those 5 minutes if they happen to attack a player again the timer is reset, if they do not attack anyone else for the full 5 minutes then they should be able to turn on passive mode. This makes it to where players who like killing others cannot just cheaply turn on passive to avoid retaliation and can only be used for what it truly was intended for. Its also a very easy fix since the mechanics for this is already in the game. What do I mean? Have you ever tried calling your personal vehicle too many times and find you have to wait for a bit before you can call it again? Just simply take that mechanic and have it activate when the player enters combat, forbidding the use of passive mode for 5 minutes of non-combat before they can do so. Right now passive mode abuse is the bread and butter of too many players who like to kill yet not want to face the consequences for their actions. They kill others when the situation favors them then make themselves unkillable when its not. Man how screwed would they be if they didn't have passive mode to call on at any time? Edited June 3, 2015 by Ghoffman9 zXy, Lamborghini1335, TXCamber and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerWho Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I say there should be a 15-minute cooldown for enabling and disabling passive. You might be allowed to switch once quicker but the timer would up. Also let's not even start about passive on LG. But hey, GTAO was obviously designed for griefers and assholes, so there you go. zXy, Lamborghini1335 and Kaitey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj03 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 15 mins are you mad?!! What if u go away to do somthing then come back faced with a 15 min wait before you can kill sh*t! Stop bitxhing and switch sessions if you cant handle it SmokesWithCigs and Gatti Sosa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RmpTebow15 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I agree with the OP. I've see people in free roam go into passive near me and while I'm distracted they'll turn it off and blindside kill me... So cowardly and annoying PhevorTrillips and Neuling2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost XB Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 But how would I tank troll people then? SuperJude™ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMFtwstdHICK Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Make a passive mode Lobby. XJpostman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoffman9 Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Make a passive mode Lobby. Simply making a passive mode lobby just temporarily treats the symptoms and not the actual disease, Rockstar ignoring this heavily abused exploit is inexcusable since it can be so easily fixed with a minor patch. They had nearly two years to do this but never have so they clearly don't have the interest, they already have our money so why should they care? Edited June 4, 2015 by Ghoffman9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zXy Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 We need more lobby options rockstar. its what the people want. SmokesWithCigs and stew5556 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhevorTrillips Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I agree with the OP. I've see people in free roam go into passive near me and while I'm distracted they'll turn it off and blindside kill me... So cowardly and annoying Happened to me the other day. My girl just started playing online, and she wanted to hit freeroam, since we'd been playing missions all night - not five minutes in, this asshole starts following us, i presume because her PSN has 'girl' in it, so neckbeards flip sh*t when they see it. Anywho, this asshole manages to outdrive me an stops ahead of me, sets up with his rocket launcher and blows my coquette away, fair enough - sh*t happens. He gets engages with another guy, and i call my inurgent, and run his ass over while he's distracted. I managed to spawn rape him for a bit, then my girl accidentally knocks me out trying to autoaim on the guy - now we're split up due to my spawn and we have him at a tactical disadvantage, and what does he do? Goes into passive then walks behind us like a bitch, sending me text messages telling me to fight fair....LOL says the f*ckboy in passive mode... We eventually moved on, and tried out luck taking out another random in his tank, it was pretty easy because he was on the beach and trying to blow up players on jetskis, but some asshole on the pier shot me out of my car. Seeing i was engaged with a new asshole, the original asshole sneaks up off the radar and spams rockets at me til he finally manages to hit me. He hides between the beach houses, while i go into passive mode and put on my best pedestrian outfit. I manage to sneak up on him and lob a prox mine his way, blowing him sky high. He then goes into passive, hides for a bit, then calls an airstrike to try to get me, ends up blowing himself up, then he rage quits. tl;dr - f*ck passive mode, f*ck not being able to have police free lobbies. what the f*ck was R* thinking? RmpTebow15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Nice Person Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 If you get killed by a passive mode player it's your fault, don't blame the entire system. Also I believe R* should have friendly sessions and normal sessions. XJpostman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoffman9 Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 If you get killed by a passive mode player it's your fault, don't blame the entire system. Also I believe R* should have friendly sessions and normal sessions. The people to blame is Rockstar for not fixing an easily fixable exploit, besides a person can take out someone who just switches out of passive cause they cannot attack for a couple seconds after turning it off yet they can be killed. When they added that in it pretty much made it impossible for players to turn off passive and immediately shoot someone in the back. Only thing they need to do is forbid the use of passive mode shortly after combat between another player has taken place, its an easy fix and is all that is truly needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vemundr Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Why do we need passive mode at all? To enjoy the views? There are invite-only sessions for this. If I want no player interaction, I just make one. If you do want to see other players in freeroam (that is to fight them, because there is no other way of interacting really), then why that passive mode is there at all? Edited June 4, 2015 by Vemundr zXy and SMFtwstdHICK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokesWithCigs Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 We need more lobby options rockstar. its what the people want. I agree . I want a lobby for people that actually play the game instead of wasting time in lobby wars. We need to be separated from the kids. I want to see a 21 and up lobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vemundr Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I want a lobby for people that actually play the game instead of wasting time in lobby wars. And by playing the game you mean what? Missions? Heists? I just start or join them right from my shack, how is that influenced by the lobby war outside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Hammer Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 We need more lobby options rockstar. its what the people want. I agree . I want a lobby for people that actually play the game instead of wasting time in lobby wars. We need to be separated from the kids. I want to see a 21 and up lobby Got to be the most repeated thread in GTAF Invite only, and change passive so you can only go in and out in your apartment.... fixed Hybrid_Punk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacoSmuggler Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 We need more lobby options rockstar. its what the people want. I agree . I want a lobby for people that actually play the game instead of wasting time in lobby wars. We need to be separated from the kids. I want to see a 21 and up lobby I'm over 21 and love free roam wars. Your point in invalid. Hybrid_Punk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesi Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) What they should do is make it so when turning it on or off, it takes at least a full minute before changing your status. There should also be a cooldown time of 5-15 minutes after turning it on then off. If you get killed by a passive mode player it's your fault, don't blame the entire system. Also I believe R* should have friendly sessions and normal sessions. I agree. I'd like to see non-pvp sessions. I personally like killing a lot and so it makes it hard for me to resist whenever I come near people. While this is fun and all, in turn it makes it hard to interact with randoms because some of them can end up pretty friendly and enjoy doing things with you.. but if they're always dead then I can't ever see that Edited June 4, 2015 by emcitement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormholes Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Passive mode is fine as is and there is a cooldown so you can't abuse it. Verstappen and DrunkGamer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylsexia Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Wasn't there a feature on Red Dead Redemption that allowed you to fight npc's but not players? That would be a good feature. filthstar0, Quattroguy and Raavi x Spider-Vice FAGS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthstar0 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 If you put a longer cool down on passive then when should also be put on easy way out that is abused way more Raavi x Spider-Vice FAGS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 While they're are it, they should forcibly force players into passive mode when they themselves kill a player that's in passive mode. Handle passive abusers AND griefers in one move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLunaticParade Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Scenario. You're running to you're car. There are no players in a 2 block radius. You see on you're map that one player is about to come down the street you're on and you are about a half a block from your car. You don't want to just fire rounds at the guy. (Most do but what-the-fk-ever) They get into view and smear you down the street. If we had the 5 or 15 min passive mode thing. Would that be considered an attack? Thus blocking you from passive mode. That being the case, It then forces you to deal with the guy. Now i know the Reply will be "Don't like it leave" Or "Go to a private lobby" Some players choose they're free roam fire fights. I generally don't bother the people who are off by themselves. I try and find the big groups of people having a small turf style skirmish. The above scenario would be one of those off by them self peeps. That would then be dragged into the fight that they were avoiding. Tbh this whole "Don't like it then go to private" It's not solving anything. Now i agree that the going into passive then dropping it to get cheap kills is wrong. But so is shooting the door open to a store and dropping a player who is shopping. There's no way they could get out a weapon and fire back. I've watched idiots shoot open the barber shop doors to get cheap kills. Cheap kills are everywhere in GTA. Stores and LSC are major cheap kill points. It's easy to set a mine or Sticky to a door or exit and get instant kills. It now looks like People are starting to complain about the Easy way out feature. Soon people will avoid that to keep they're "Free roam rep" Cause you know that will be the new insult "That guy takes the easy way out if you start fighting him cause hes garbage" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi x Spider-Vice FAGS Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I find it shocking how Rockstar still had not fixed passive mode abuse, especially since there is a fix that can be implemented with ease. In a lot of cases players who love to kill others whos death was imminent or worried about facing redemption will turn on passive to avoid retaliation or to use it to protect themselves when they're most vulnerable. Examples being players killing others in a jet, and when shot down they turn on passive till they get another jet and then turn it off. Basically these players only engage others when they have a powerful advantage over them, and when that advantage is taken away and the situation no longer in their favor they turn on passive, rig the game to again be in their favor, turn off passive rinse and repeat. A simple solution to this is to not allow players to turn on passive for a period of time. They just have to go by the example of games such as World of Warcraft. In World of Warcraft if you flag yourself for pvp and kill a player you cannot immediately unflag yourself. You have to wait for 5 minutes of real time to go by without engaging in any pvp combat to be able to unflag yourself. What Rockstar simply needs to do is make players wait for 5 minutes, during those 5 minutes if they happen to attack a player again the timer is reset, if they do not attack anyone else for the full 5 minutes then they should be able to turn on passive mode. This makes it to where players who like killing others cannot just cheaply turn on passive to avoid retaliation and can only be used for what it truly was intended for. Its also a very easy fix since the mechanics for this is already in the game. What do I mean? Have you ever tried calling your personal vehicle too many times and find you have to wait for a bit before you can call it again? Just simply take that mechanic and have it activate when the player enters combat, forbidding the use of passive mode for 5 minutes of non-combat before they can do so. Right now passive mode abuse is the bread and butter of too many players who like to kill yet not want to face the consequences for their actions. They kill others when the situation favors them then make themselves unkillable when its not. Man how screwed would they be if they didn't have passive mode to call on at any time? like this.. and a block option would be great also.. Passive mode is fine as is and there is a cooldown so you can't abuse it. yes you can.. the cool down are from where you leave passive mode to when you can activate it again... that has nothing to do with attacking players then going in to passive Scenario. You're running to you're car. There are no players in a 2 block radius. You see on you're map that one player is about to come down the street you're on and you are about a half a block from your car. You don't want to just fire rounds at the guy. (Most do but what-the-fk-ever) They get into view and smear you down the street. If we had the 5 or 15 min passive mode thing. Would that be considered an attack? Thus blocking you from passive mode. That being the case, It then forces you to deal with the guy. Now i know the Reply will be "Don't like it leave" Or "Go to a private lobby" Some players choose they're free roam fire fights. I generally don't bother the people who are off by themselves. I try and find the big groups of people having a small turf style skirmish. The above scenario would be one of those off by them self peeps. That would then be dragged into the fight that they were avoiding. Tbh this whole "Don't like it then go to private" It's not solving anything. Now i agree that the going into passive then dropping it to get cheap kills is wrong. But so is shooting the door open to a store and dropping a player who is shopping. There's no way they could get out a weapon and fire back. I've watched idiots shoot open the barber shop doors to get cheap kills. Cheap kills are everywhere in GTA. Stores and LSC are major cheap kill points. It's easy to set a mine or Sticky to a door or exit and get instant kills. It now looks like People are starting to complain about the Easy way out feature. Soon people will avoid that to keep they're "Free roam rep" Cause you know that will be the new insult "That guy takes the easy way out if you start fighting him cause hes garbage" they could remove passivemode all together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoffman9 Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 We need more lobby options rockstar. its what the people want. I agree . I want a lobby for people that actually play the game instead of wasting time in lobby wars. We need to be separated from the kids. I want to see a 21 and up lobby Got to be the most repeated thread in GTAF Invite only, and change passive so you can only go in and out in your apartment.... fixed Again this treats the symptoms but not the actual disease, you're only running away from the problem. Its smarter to actually fix the source of the problem wouldn't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zXy Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 We need more lobby options rockstar. its what the people want. I agree . I want a lobby for people that actually play the game instead of wasting time in lobby wars. We need to be separated from the kids. I want to see a 21 and up lobby That would be hard, Considering you can lie about your age making a psn. Maybe a Voice Moderated Lobby xD, You have to have enough bass in your voice to join! Or if minecraft & lego games is in your games played you cant join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEEZYR Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 OP you are just butt hurt, there is no problem with passive mode, People can use it as they will, theres no law saying you HAVE to be able to kill them if they kill you first, grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoffman9 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) OP you are just butt hurt, there is no problem with passive mode, People can use it as they will, theres no law saying you HAVE to be able to kill them if they kill you first, grow up Lol what a piss poor argument, course glitchers and exploiters have the IQ of a shovel and dumb as a bag of hammers so there is no surprise there. If there is "nothing" wrong with it than why do other games have mechanics in place to make it impossible for players to abuse the system in the first place? You definitely come off as one of those chicken sh*ts who like to kill other players yet not be killed yourself, if anyone must do some growing up its you ya little nooblet. Everyone can also hack the game if they so choose, it does not make it any less wrong. Exploiting oversights in the game mechanics to cover ones ass and stack things against the players around you is wrong no matter what color you paint it. If there was nothing truly wrong with it you could have formed a constructive, solid argument to back up your opinions, but you can't. So you resort to ad hominems because thats all you got to throw at me. I think you find my arguments and opinions so threatening cause its the equivalent of me pointing a gun at the head of your golden goose. Edited June 7, 2015 by Ghoffman9 shootatme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk9fan97 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 OP you are just butt hurt, there is no problem with passive mode, People can use it as they will, theres no law saying you HAVE to be able to kill them if they kill you first, grow up so you would not be mad if someone in passive mode came up, popped out of passive, killed you and then by the time you respawn they are again hiding in passive mode, and then have them do the same exact thing again? when ever I have someone come up to me in passive mode and it is obvious that they are going to probably going to be jumping out of it and try to kill me, I quickly jump into passive mode myself and just stay in it until they give up. Anyways, the issue that has caused passive mode to be completely unusable on Xbox 360 and PS3 has begun to make it's way to the PS4/Xbox One version. Like with the last gen version it kicks you out of passive mode with no warning. I have lost track of the number of times that I have gone into passive mode so I can just mess around without being killed, to only be killed by another player 2 minutes later because of passive mode turning off with no warning. So if Rockstar does nothing to fix that issue, like with the last gen version, the problem with the passive mode griefers will end as well because passive mode is going to end up being completely useless on next gen. shootatme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoffman9 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) OP you are just butt hurt, there is no problem with passive mode, People can use it as they will, theres no law saying you HAVE to be able to kill them if they kill you first, grow up so you would not be mad if someone in passive mode came up, popped out of passive, killed you and then by the time you respawn they are again hiding in passive mode, and then have them do the same exact thing again? when ever I have someone come up to me in passive mode and it is obvious that they are going to probably going to be jumping out of it and try to kill me, I quickly jump into passive mode myself and just stay in it until they give up. Anyways, the issue that has caused passive mode to be completely unusable on Xbox 360 and PS3 has begun to make it's way to the PS4/Xbox One version. Like with the last gen version it kicks you out of passive mode with no warning. I have lost track of the number of times that I have gone into passive mode so I can just mess around without being killed, to only be killed by another player 2 minutes later because of passive mode turning off with no warning. So if Rockstar does nothing to fix that issue, like with the last gen version, the problem with the passive mode griefers will end as well because passive mode is going to end up being completely useless on next gen. Well to be fair its impossible to pop out of passive and immediately shoot someone in the back. When you turn off passive it does turn off immediately but the game does not allow you to use your weapons for a few seconds, so doing something such as turning passive off right next to someone will just give them a free kill if they're smart enough to keep a close eye on you. When people try that on me I always watch their dot on the radar and the second that marker becomes a full dot, indicating they turned off passive, I immediately gun them down before they can use their weapons. So in terms of using passive to get close to and shooting another player in the back when they least suspect it has been fixed a long time ago, but using it to escape justified retaliation from a player you just killed is still in need of some fixing. Edited June 7, 2015 by Ghoffman9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEEZYR Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 OP you are just butt hurt, there is no problem with passive mode, People can use it as they will, theres no law saying you HAVE to be able to kill them if they kill you first, grow up Lol what a piss poor argument, course glitchers and exploiters have the IQ of a shovel and dumb as a bag of hammers so there is no surprise there. If there is "nothing" wrong with it than why do other games have mechanics in place to make it impossible for players to abuse the system in the first place? You definitely come off as one of those chicken sh*ts who like to kill other players yet not be killed yourself, if anyone must do some growing up its you ya little nooblet. Everyone can also hack the game if they so choose, it does not make it any less wrong. Exploiting oversights in the game mechanics to cover ones ass and stack things against the players around you is wrong no matter what color you paint it. If there was nothing truly wrong with it you could have formed a constructive, solid argument to back up your opinions, but you can't. So you resort to ad hominems because thats all you got to throw at me. I think you find my arguments and opinions so threatening cause its the equivalent of me pointing a gun at the head of your golden goose. lol the kid crying cause someone killed him first is trying to say someone else has a bad argument OP you are just butt hurt, there is no problem with passive mode, People can use it as they will, theres no law saying you HAVE to be able to kill them if they kill you first, grow up so you would not be mad if someone in passive mode came up, popped out of passive, killed you and then by the time you respawn they are again hiding in passive mode, and then have them do the same exact thing again? so what? its a game, people can play it how they want. its not your right to kill them in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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