LordRaijin Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 We already killed off Michael, like 18 months ago. I didn't kill off Michael because I firmly believe that it isn't the right for Franklin to do so. He even admits that Michael and him are cool when speaking to Devin so again the rightful person to kill him is Trevor because he has a legit reason to do so, not Franklin. His opinion about trusting Michael has changed at the final cutscene in Fresh Meat, that's why he later said," We both used each other, that's what happened!" When did Franklin say that? I assume choice B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Yes, that one. Edited May 26, 2015 by SuperGTFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS4NT0SK1LL3RV Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 We already killed off Michael, like 18 months ago. I didn't kill off Michael because I firmly believe that it isn't the right for Franklin to do so. He even admits that Michael and him are cool when speaking to Devin so again the rightful person to kill him is Trevor because he has a legit reason to do so, not Franklin. His opinion about trusting Michael has changed at the final cutscene in Fresh Meat, that's why he later said," We both used each other, that's what happened!" When did Franklin say that? I assume choice B? Yes, i think Franklin thought like that, he used Michael to get ahead in life and Michael used him to survive during the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOGDUSH Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 I think we're all confusing the definitions of hero/villian with protagonist/antagonist. Hero: Somebody who acts with the intention of doing good in the world. Villian: Somebody whose intentions throughout a plot are of an evil or selfish nature. Protagonist: The person who the majority of a story revolves around. Antagonist: Somebody who opposes the protagonist. That's why you can have a villian protagonist and/or a hero antagonist. Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but as a writer who loves using villian protagonists, meshing two words into having the same meaning bugs me. The way this guy tells is basically my response, i never set an equal mark between hero and protagonist Protagonist definition: the leading character or one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc. Antagonist definition: a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary. Michael, Trevor and Franklin are all protagonists as they are all one of the major characters in the game. Michael is the antagonist in the eyes of Trevor and vice-versa. Protag just means major character, whereas antagonist just means enemy, opponent or competitor. Protagonist and antagonist aren't opposite words. They can link together, e.g. "Pulp Fiction". Good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRaijin Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Yes, i think Franklin thought like that, he used Michael to get ahead in life and Michael used him to survive during the story. I smell bullsh*t on that one. First off it was Devin Weston who ordered Franklin to kill Michael... the very same man who ripped him off of his vehicle stealing money. I don't know what the hell Rockstar was thinking, but Franklin doesn't seem the kind of person that would allow another person that ripped him and his friends off to boss him around like that, especially giving him orders to kill another of his crew members. I'm on my third play through at this moment, and I do not see these two "using" each other. In fact Michael even told Franklin that it was a good idea to go out of town for a while so that he doesn't get caught up in the FIB crap that hes in. It was Franklin that rejected the idea of skipping town. Michael did NOT use Franklin to survive nor did Franklin use him to get ahead in life. These two characters built up a strong friendship. Edited May 26, 2015 by LordRaijin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS4NT0SK1LL3RV Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Yes, i think Franklin thought like that, he used Michael to get ahead in life and Michael used him to survive during the story. I smell bullsh*t on that one. First off it was Devin Weston who ordered Franklin to kill Michael... the very same man who ripped him off of his vehicle stealing money. I don't know what the hell Rockstar was thinking, but Franklin doesn't seem the kind of person that would allow another person that ripped him and his friends off to boss him around like that, especially giving him orders to kill another of his crew members. I'm on my third play through at this moment, and I do not see these two "using" each other. In fact Michael even told Franklin that it was a good idea to go out of town for a while so that he doesn't get caught up in the FIB crap that hes in. It was Franklin that rejected the idea of skipping town. Michael did NOT use Franklin to survive nor did Franklin use him to get ahead in life. These two characters built up a strong friendship. Yeah, but he needed a reason to kill Michael and think like he's been used was his choice in this mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRaijin Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Yes, i think Franklin thought like that, he used Michael to get ahead in life and Michael used him to survive during the story. I smell bullsh*t on that one. First off it was Devin Weston who ordered Franklin to kill Michael... the very same man who ripped him off of his vehicle stealing money. I don't know what the hell Rockstar was thinking, but Franklin doesn't seem the kind of person that would allow another person that ripped him and his friends off to boss him around like that, especially giving him orders to kill another of his crew members. I'm on my third play through at this moment, and I do not see these two "using" each other. In fact Michael even told Franklin that it was a good idea to go out of town for a while so that he doesn't get caught up in the FIB crap that hes in. It was Franklin that rejected the idea of skipping town. Michael did NOT use Franklin to survive nor did Franklin use him to get ahead in life. These two characters built up a strong friendship. Yeah, but he needed a reason to kill Michael and think like he's been used was his choice in this mission. The reason behind killing Michael is because he is a snitch. It has nothing to do with using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOGDUSH Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Yes, i think Franklin thought like that, he used Michael to get ahead in life and Michael used him to survive during the story. I smell bullsh*t on that one. First off it was Devin Weston who ordered Franklin to kill Michael... the very same man who ripped him off of his vehicle stealing money. I don't know what the hell Rockstar was thinking, but Franklin doesn't seem the kind of person that would allow another person that ripped him and his friends off to boss him around like that, especially giving him orders to kill another of his crew members. I'm on my third play through at this moment, and I do not see these two "using" each other. In fact Michael even told Franklin that it was a good idea to go out of town for a while so that he doesn't get caught up in the FIB crap that hes in. It was Franklin that rejected the idea of skipping town. Michael did NOT use Franklin to survive nor did Franklin use him to get ahead in life. These two characters built up a strong friendship. Yeah, but he needed a reason to kill Michael and think like he's been used was his choice in this mission. The reason behind killing Michael is because he is a snitch. It has nothing to do with using. Killing micheal would've been based on the players look on how much they like micheal, but killing trevor is more realistic since thats probally how micheal and frank thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeakyLine Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Please, stop calling Franklin 'Frankling' The Dedito Gae and Payne Killer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Vercetti Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Yes, i think Franklin thought like that, he used Michael to get ahead in life and Michael used him to survive during the story. I smell bullsh*t on that one. First off it was Devin Weston who ordered Franklin to kill Michael... the very same man who ripped him off of his vehicle stealing money. I don't know what the hell Rockstar was thinking, but Franklin doesn't seem the kind of person that would allow another person that ripped him and his friends off to boss him around like that, especially giving him orders to kill another of his crew members. I'm on my third play through at this moment, and I do not see these two "using" each other. In fact Michael even told Franklin that it was a good idea to go out of town for a while so that he doesn't get caught up in the FIB crap that hes in. It was Franklin that rejected the idea of skipping town. Michael did NOT use Franklin to survive nor did Franklin use him to get ahead in life. These two characters built up a strong friendship. Exactly. I never understood why any of the characters would go along with Devin's crap, and franklin especially wouldn't, I believe. I think Michael cares about franklin in a weird way that he doesn't seem to care about Trevor. Good thread Yogdush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOGDUSH Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Yes, i think Franklin thought like that, he used Michael to get ahead in life and Michael used him to survive during the story. I smell bullsh*t on that one. First off it was Devin Weston who ordered Franklin to kill Michael... the very same man who ripped him off of his vehicle stealing money. I don't know what the hell Rockstar was thinking, but Franklin doesn't seem the kind of person that would allow another person that ripped him and his friends off to boss him around like that, especially giving him orders to kill another of his crew members. I'm on my third play through at this moment, and I do not see these two "using" each other. In fact Michael even told Franklin that it was a good idea to go out of town for a while so that he doesn't get caught up in the FIB crap that hes in. It was Franklin that rejected the idea of skipping town. Michael did NOT use Franklin to survive nor did Franklin use him to get ahead in life. These two characters built up a strong friendship. Exactly. I never understood why any of the characters would go along with Devin's crap, and franklin especially wouldn't, I believe. I think Michael cares about franklin in a weird way that he doesn't seem to care about Trevor. Good thread Yogdush! Yo thanks a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) With ending A I let Michael do it Finishing the job he couldn't do 9 years ago in North Yankton also that speech he gives after the explosion makes more sense and feels more natural when Michael takes the shot. Edited May 27, 2015 by Zello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 @Zello Oh yeah, that speech was his own downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Fatale Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 You made a thread that makes sense I-I'm shocked... Payne Killer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOGDUSH Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 With ending A I let Michael do it Finishing the job he couldn't do 9 years ago in North Yankton also that speech he gives after the explosion makes more sense and feels more natural when Michael takes the shot. I didnt know you could do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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