Antagonists and protagonists, the correct ending (IMO)

[YOGDUSH]

Hallo everyone, today i looked at the antagonists and protagonists of gta v. one intresting thing i came over was how the protagonists are sometimes potrayed as antagonists.

 

How is that you might ask? Well, if we take a good look at bury the hatchet we will notice that it features two of our protagonists but only one of them is playable (for the most part of the mission) What rockstar is doing here is forcing you to be on ones side. Let's say you think Trevor is right and Micheal is a sniatch. All suddenly the old protagonist Micheal has become an antagonist or as i would call it a fakeantag ( short term for fake antagonist)

 

Well why do i use the term fake? Because he is not really an antagonist but the way the game has laid out we have gotten two sides to chose from meaning Micheal doesnt have to be fakeantag if you're on his side and vice versa with Trevs.

 

What the real problem is that the story is meant for you to be on Micheals side, which leads us to only one correct ending A. Since after the entire bury the hatchet mission the feud between Micheal and Trevor begins.

 

So that's about it guys as always have a good day, hal

 

EDIT: Luke was not part of this theory, sometimes its solo jobs or luke behind the scenes and me on the front line

Edited May 24, 2015 by YOGDUSH

[Colognenigguh]

Wow this is actually true and makes sense never noticed that !

[GN 92]

Great job YOGDUSH, I've noticed that too. Michael is kind of a traitor, when you save Lamar from the weed factory, you can switch to Michael and he'll say "couldn't they kill him in LS?"

 

He doesn't give a f*ck about anyone, only himself.

[PhillBellic]

Hmm, that's an intriguing theory.

[Homicidal Hipster]

Nice theory YOGDUSH. That's kind of what rockstar was going for when they wrote Michael and trevor. They wanted you thinking one was awful and was was right, then switched around until you can't decide.

[L0SS4NT0SK1LL3RV]

Ending A would make sense if the last choice was given to Michael though, but it's Franklin's decision and since he has no beef with any of the other two characters, he would save them in my opinion.

[YOGDUSH]

Ending A would make sense if the last choice was given to Michael though, but it's Franklin's decision and since he has no beef with any of the other two characters, he would save them in my opinion.

Frankling is not a person who can chose by himself, you controll frank which meaning i believe players do not act what they think frank thinks is right rather what they themself think what is right.

[YOGDUSH]

Nice theory YOGDUSH. That's kind of what rockstar was going for when they wrote Michael and trevor. They wanted you thinking one was awful and was was right, then switched around until you can't decide.

I believe that is so, thanks

Great job YOGDUSH, I've noticed that too. Michael is kind of a traitor, when you save Lamar from the weed factory, you can switch to Michael and he'll say "couldn't they kill him in LS?"

 

He doesn't give a f*ck about anyone, only himself.

Thanks my man

 

Hmm, that's an intriguing theory.

Thanks, positive feedback is always apperciated

[GamesBoy316]

I'm still not going to forget that you spelled Franklin "Frankling".

 

But besides that, you have a good point. Michael is basically the main character of the game, so it would make sense to play the game from his point of view.

[YOGDUSH]

I'm still not going to forget that you spelled Franklin "Frankling".

 

But besides that, you have a good point. Michael is basically the main character of the game, so it would make sense to play the game from his point of view.

Yes the story surrounds micheal BUT frank is the character who represent the player, dont forget that. Because the decision is in franklings hands = your hands, meaning Micheal is the main character but Franklin is the perspective (in this story).

[Zello]

 

I'm still not going to forget that you spelled Franklin "Frankling".

 

But besides that, you have a good point. Michael is basically the main character of the game, so it would make sense to play the game from his point of view.

Yes the story surrounds micheal BUT frank is the character who represent the player, dont forget that. Because the decision is in franklings hands = your hands, meaning Micheal is the main character but Franklin is the perspective (in this story).This actually makes sense I think that's why R* ignored Franklin's backstory so that the player could identify with Franklin fill in all the blanks and make it up themselves in a way He's sort of like Claude from GTA III.

[Osho]

This actually makes sense I think that's why R* ignored Franklin's backstory so that the player could identify with Franklin fill in all the blanks and make it up themselves in a way He's sort of like Claude from GTA III.

Claude?..How? I think Franklin was used as a cause for Michael and Trevor being involved again in the activities, around which the story rotates later.

[SmokesWithCigs]

Hallo everyone, today i looked at the antagonists and protagonists of gta v. one intresting thing i came over was how the protagonists are sometimes potrayed as antagonists.

 

How is that you might ask? Well, if we take a good look at bury the hatchet we will notice that it features two of our protagonists but only one of them is playable (for the most part of the mission) What rockstar is doing here is forcing you to be on ones side. Let's say you think Trevor is right and Micheal is a sniatch. All suddenly the old protagonist Micheal has become an antagonist or as i would call it a fakeantag ( short term for fake antagonist)

 

Well why do i use the term fake? Because he is not really an antagonist but the way the game has laid out we have gotten two sides to chose from meaning Micheal doesnt have to be fakeantag if you're on his side and vice versa with Trevs.

 

What the real problem is that the story is meant for you to be on Micheals side, which leads us to only one correct ending A. Since after the entire bury the hatchet mission the feud between Micheal and Trevor begins.

 

So that's about it guys as always have a good day, hal

 

EDIT: Luke was not part of this theory, sometimes its solo jobs or luke behind the scenes and me on the front line

All GTA characters from Claude on down to Trevor are antagonist because they are criminals. These guys arent heros . do you see any of them rescuing cats out of trees,helping old ladies across the street ,or saving drowning victims? The only GTA"protag" that ever did anything heroic was cj when he saved Denise from a burning building but he was in the middle of doing dirt at the time and was the one who started the fire

As for Michael I never liked playing as the guy who betrayed his crew. It shocked me when I learned it was brad lying in that grave during the by the book mission,but I understand why he did it.

[Homicidal Hipster]

 

Hallo everyone, today i looked at the antagonists and protagonists of gta v. one intresting thing i came over was how the protagonists are sometimes potrayed as antagonists.

 

How is that you might ask? Well, if we take a good look at bury the hatchet we will notice that it features two of our protagonists but only one of them is playable (for the most part of the mission) What rockstar is doing here is forcing you to be on ones side. Let's say you think Trevor is right and Micheal is a sniatch. All suddenly the old protagonist Micheal has become an antagonist or as i would call it a fakeantag ( short term for fake antagonist)

 

Well why do i use the term fake? Because he is not really an antagonist but the way the game has laid out we have gotten two sides to chose from meaning Micheal doesnt have to be fakeantag if you're on his side and vice versa with Trevs.

 

What the real problem is that the story is meant for you to be on Micheals side, which leads us to only one correct ending A. Since after the entire bury the hatchet mission the feud between Micheal and Trevor begins.

 

So that's about it guys as always have a good day, hal

 

EDIT: Luke was not part of this theory, sometimes its solo jobs or luke behind the scenes and me on the front line

All GTA characters from Claude on down to Trevor are antagonist because they are criminals. These guys arent heros . do you see any of them rescuing cats out of trees,helping old ladies across the street ,or saving drowning victims? The only GTA"protag" that ever did anything heroic was cj when he saved Denise from a burning building but he was in the middle of doing dirt at the time and was the one who started the fire protagonist dosen't necessarily mean hero. In all gta games your controlling a bad guy, but their still the lesser of two evils when it comes to the antagonist. The thing that seperates protagonist from antagonist is loyalty. And all the gta protagonist thus far have been very loyal to their friends. The antagonist on the other hand would usually sell out his friends to get ahead. For example, billy grey and trevor, there personalitys are not so different, both are remorseless sociopaths, but the thing that seperates them from protagonist and antagonist is loyalty. And while billy grey sold out his brotherhood, trevor remains intensely loyal to his friends and would never directly stab them in the back ( he abuses ron and wade but that's just to keep them in line and control them with fear because of his abandonment issues).

So the protagonist in gta games are not really Hero's, but their a lot more noble than the antagonist.

Edited May 25, 2015 by Thelema93

[SuperGTFan]

In the Big Score Obvious Approach, when trying to lose the 5 wanted stars, Michael will say something like, "if the cops catched us, we'll blame it on Trevor", or something like that.

[YOGDUSH]

 

Hallo everyone, today i looked at the antagonists and protagonists of gta v. one intresting thing i came over was how the protagonists are sometimes potrayed as antagonists.

 

How is that you might ask? Well, if we take a good look at bury the hatchet we will notice that it features two of our protagonists but only one of them is playable (for the most part of the mission) What rockstar is doing here is forcing you to be on ones side. Let's say you think Trevor is right and Micheal is a sniatch. All suddenly the old protagonist Micheal has become an antagonist or as i would call it a fakeantag ( short term for fake antagonist)

 

Well why do i use the term fake? Because he is not really an antagonist but the way the game has laid out we have gotten two sides to chose from meaning Micheal doesnt have to be fakeantag if you're on his side and vice versa with Trevs.

 

What the real problem is that the story is meant for you to be on Micheals side, which leads us to only one correct ending A. Since after the entire bury the hatchet mission the feud between Micheal and Trevor begins.

 

So that's about it guys as always have a good day, hal

 

EDIT: Luke was not part of this theory, sometimes its solo jobs or luke behind the scenes and me on the front line

All GTA characters from Claude on down to Trevor are antagonist because they are criminals. These guys arent heros . do you see any of them rescuing cats out of trees,helping old ladies across the street ,or saving drowning victims? The only GTA"protag" that ever did anything heroic was cj when he saved Denise from a burning building but he was in the middle of doing dirt at the time and was the one who started the fire

As for Michael I never liked playing as the guy who betrayed his crew. It shocked me when I learned it was brad lying in that grave during the by the book mission,but I understand why he did it.

 

Well when we are talking about a game based around criminality. then criminality in general is not = antagonist. and hero is not necissarly = to protagonist.

 

What rockstar is doing is letting you choose who is the evil one (obviously) but still hints you that the right side is micheals side. And you need to think about it like a move, the story revolves around micheal but the we get to see it all from (often) franks perspektive.

[UshaB]

• Protagonist definition: the leading character or one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc.
• Antagonist definition: a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary.

Michael, Trevor and Franklin are all protagonists as they are all one of the major characters in the game.

Michael is the antagonist in the eyes of Trevor and vice-versa.

Protag just means major character, whereas antagonist just means enemy, opponent or competitor.

 

Protagonist and antagonist aren't opposite words. They can link together, e.g. "Pulp Fiction".

[LordRaijin]

Great job YOGDUSH, I've noticed that too. Michael is kind of a traitor, when you save Lamar from the weed factory, you can switch to Michael and he'll say "couldn't they kill him in LS?"

 

He doesn't give a f*ck about anyone, only himself.

 

 

Nice theory YOGDUSH. That's kind of what rockstar was going for when they wrote Michael and trevor. They wanted you thinking one was awful and was was right, then switched around until you can't decide.

 

 

I always thought that Trevor was 100% right. I mean he legitimately cared for Michael to the point where he memorialized him by putting his name and R.I.P on his arm. When someone does that to another human being shows true love right there. Michael doesn't give a sh*t one way or another. He sold Trevor and his crew member Brad out to the feds.... to advanced one officers in particular career. He didn't even tell the truth about Brads death. He kept on letting him believe that he was still in prison.

 

If Rockstar wanted to tell me just how horrible Michael is... then they did a great job in doing it because Michael is indeed a traitorous FIB bitch who rats out his friends to the Gmen. At least Trevor has some sense not become a FIB bitch, and this is why Steve Haines wanted him dead. Dave also realize that all of his attempts to get Trevor to visit “Brad” in prison failed so he agreed that Trevor needed to die. Funny how Michael protected him by saying that Dave needed to live.

 

I can only hope that in the DLC that we as Trevor can have the option to kill Michael.

 

Snitches need stitches.

[SuperGTFan]

We already killed off Michael, like 18 months ago.

[Payne Killer]

The best thread you have ever made.

[YOGDUSH]

The best thread you have ever made.

Thanks, I apperciate it a lot

[The Dedito Gae]

wow, you made a thread that kinda makes sense.

Edited May 25, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[L0SS4NT0SK1LL3RV]

 

Ending A would make sense if the last choice was given to Michael though, but it's Franklin's decision and since he has no beef with any of the other two characters, he would save them in my opinion.

Frankling is not a person who can chose by himself, you controll frank which meaning i believe players do not act what they think frank thinks is right rather what they themself think what is right.

 

So, you are saying that Michael would influence Franklin to make this decision? Kinda makes sense.

[LordRaijin]

We already killed off Michael, like 18 months ago.

 

I didn't kill off Michael because I firmly believe that it isn't the right for Franklin to do so. He even admits that Michael and him are cool when speaking to Devin so again the rightful person to kill him is Trevor because he has a legit reason to do so, not Franklin.

[SuperGTFan]

 

We already killed off Michael, like 18 months ago.

I didn't kill off Michael because I firmly believe that it isn't the right for Franklin to do so. He even admits that Michael and him are cool when speaking to Devin so again the rightful person to kill him is Trevor because he has a legit reason to do so, not Franklin.

His opinion about trusting Michael has changed at the final cutscene in Fresh Meat, that's why he later said," We both used each other, that's what happened!"

[TheOneLibertonian]

This is the first YOGDUSH thread that I enjoyed reading. Great theory, man. I think that Rockstar did a good job characterizing Michael. He is definitely the best character in GTA V IMO. He always wanted to be or believed to be the good guy, but his demons never let him, that's what I liked about Michael so much. Maybe we get Michael as an antagonist in the DLC, but I doubt it. Still great theory though.

[YOGDUSH]

This is the first YOGDUSH thread that I enjoyed reading. Great theory, man. I think that Rockstar did a good job characterizing Michael. He is definitely the best character in GTA V IMO. He always wanted to be or believed to be the good guy, but his demons never let him, that's what I liked about Michael so much. Maybe we get Michael as an antagonist in the DLC, but I doubt it. Still great theory though.

Thanks man, always nice with positive feedback

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

I think we're all confusing the definitions of hero/villian with protagonist/antagonist.

 

Hero: Somebody who acts with the intention of doing good in the world.

Villian: Somebody whose intentions throughout a plot are of an evil or selfish nature.

 

Protagonist: The person who the majority of a story revolves around.

Antagonist: Somebody who opposes the protagonist.

 

That's why you can have a villian protagonist and/or a hero antagonist. Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but as a writer who loves using villian protagonists, meshing two words into having the same meaning bugs me.

[UshaB]

• Protagonist definition: the leading character or one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc.
• Antagonist definition: a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary.

Michael, Trevor and Franklin are all protagonists as they are all one of the major characters in the game.

Michael is the antagonist in the eyes of Trevor and vice-versa.

Protag just means major character, whereas antagonist just means enemy, opponent or competitor.

 

Protagonist and antagonist aren't opposite words. They can link together, e.g. "Pulp Fiction".

[Official General]

Makes no difference to me, because in my opinion the protagonists and antagonists in V were both quite weak and in many instances boring.

 

Nice find? I but couldn't care less.