Vemundr Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Sooo clumbersome. Like when you have several guys other then yourself trying to get their hydras, prevent you from getting yours, police is on your heels, they go in/out of passive all the time you need to do a lot of stuff, like remove your wanted level, go off radar, request your vehicle, call Mors Mutual - all that through long menus, navigating in them all while you try to hide from people around you to survive that extra second. Then wait a random number of tones. Sometimes they don't pick altogether. That is so frustrating. Like I am approaching hydra spawn, I know exactly how far I have to be for it to spawn there, not somewhere else. Then Pegasus chooses to make me wait for 4 tones instead of the usual 2, and I have to stop (risking getting killed) or go to another locating. So weird. Unnecessary troubles. Lol. What is the reason to make UI deliberatly complicated, we need just fast buttons for all that. Yeah, and passive is abused a lot too. People activate it to get to hydras, avoid getting killed when shot down, today I saw a guy who would hover in hydra, go out of passive suddenly and kill. Passive should be reserved I don't know, for 10 first levels of experience. After that any fight is fun. Another strange thing is mouse wheel for airplane weapons. Why on earth, when you have to control the plane with two hands on the keyboard, the weapon switching is on mouse and you can't change it? Maybe I am missing something, but that is the only way, digits don't allow you to switch like when on foot. Ok, that was a cryout after recent experience Great game on the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor_Fisto Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So in a game where you spawn literally down the street (and commonly within people's sight range at that) immediately after a kill we shouldn't have passive mode after level 10 (which takes like 40 minutes to get to in-game nowadays) because people refuse to use passive mode themselves against someone who is clearly willing to abuse as many game mechanics as they have available to them in order to win? R* isn't gonna change their game for people who refuse to use their already implemented "stop killing me unfairly" function just because of people on forums who can't live without their vidya game machismo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vemundr Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 Like sorry? Never had instakill on spawn problem. Anyway, if you have time to activate passive mode, you should have time to get in cover. I almost never go passive when fighting others, takes the fun away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor_Fisto Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Like sorry? Never had instakill on spawn problem. Anyway, if you have time to activate passive mode, you should have time to get in cover. I almost never go passive when fighting others, takes the fun away. You obviously don't deathmatch much. I've been killed seconds within spawn and killed a hell of lot of people that way too, there's flat deserts, bare mountains, beaches, highway straightaways, airports, etc where spawn points are just brutal and there is no time to just "get in cover". Passive mode isn't for fighting other players, it's for avoiding griefing, getting trapped, and being able to go afk without coming back to a 15 v 0 spawn camper. Weighing the pros and cons, occasionally somebody will go into passive mode to avoid getting killed in say a dogfight in a douchey manner. People can also go into passive mode and wander into your hiding spot as a bounty but if people try to pull that sh*t on you and you don't just immediately join a mission or leave the area in some other way you're just allowing it to happen by sticking around. Passive mode is literally the ultimate anti-griefing tool, it even protects you from getting instantly exploded like the rest of the lobby by modders. If anybody tries to grief you using passive mode, you can use passive mode back or just exit the situation before they get the chance. And you really don't want it in the game because a few people abuse it and you refuse to actually use it then play actual deathmatches bro. That's what they're there for. Edited May 24, 2015 by Señor_Fisto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vemundr Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share Posted May 25, 2015 Deathmatches are boring compared to CoD or BF. That radar kills the fun, and weapons are too scarce. I just like fighting on the map with personal vehicles and stuff. Earn some money in missions to pay for destroying personal cars, and you can have some fun. So what you write about is a priority issue. You think of passive as antiögriefing tool to play missions, I think of it (and of missions too) as an obstacle just to fight on the map which is most fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Echo Visari Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Like sorry? Never had instakill on spawn problem. Anyway, if you have time to activate passive mode, you should have time to get in cover. I almost never go passive when fighting others, takes the fun away. "Time to get in cover" only to be blown to bits by another Hydra strafe. Passive-Mode prevents unfair PvP. Plain and simple. It might hinder another player's attempt at trying to ground a griefer, but overall it is there for good reason. And as long as Insurgents, Kurumas, tanks, Lasers, Hydras, Savages and explosive weaponry exist, passive mode is there to stay. So even if you're wasting your expensive homing ammo on a Hydra that dodges them with ease, and he's constantly killing you in-between reloads, you don't go in passive mode? Not even to level the playing field with your own aircraft? And even for situations like this you think level 10s+ should be stuck with the stubborn methods you're using and remain susceptible to being killed over and over by (insert-overpowered-tool/vehicle-here)? Because that must be really fun for them right? I've read your previous posts and you sound like a cliché jet-griefer being countered by passive mode. Maybe not a jet-griefer in particular, but a cliché griefer in general. --- I'll add that I think the phone user interface is a little bit tacked-on and it would be splendid to rearrange the contacts to a more personal degree. Lester Mechanic Pegasus Mors Mutual Insurance etc. But for some reason the game decides that it wants to do it this way - Player I don't care about Player I don't care about Player I don't care about Player I don't care about Player I don't care about Brucie etc Edited May 25, 2015 by SevDoggX YG. and PSplayer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSplayer Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 ^^ first that next; Radio, which mobile phone doesnt have radio ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor_Fisto Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Deathmatches are boring compared to CoD or BF. That radar kills the fun, and weapons are too scarce. I just like fighting on the map with personal vehicles and stuff. Earn some money in missions to pay for destroying personal cars, and you can have some fun. So what you write about is a priority issue. You think of passive as antiögriefing tool to play missions, I think of it (and of missions too) as an obstacle just to fight on the map which is most fun. So you're upset someone avoided dying in passive mode, and when given the alternative to avoiding passive mode in you huff and puff and say you don't want to do that, doubling down on your original opinion that passive mode should be reserved for literally your first 10 minutes playing online mode only? You're just like the rest of the massive amount of weirdly entitled people who think R* should change the game to suit their GTA4 airport-esque vision (which was total sh*t, BTW). We have passive mode because not having it was a load of bullsh*t in R* games that used to literally be inescapable (RDR was the first that allowed you to do anything about it, and even then you had to get killed 4 or 5 times in a row just to get that option). Edited May 25, 2015 by Señor_Fisto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vemundr Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) @SevDoggX no-no-no, you get it all wrong. First, tha game is balanced pretty well, and pvp is never unfair. Your example of dying to Hydra strafe is not good, because if you die to Hydra a lot you probably don't know how to counter it. All you need is stand next to a house and aim the launcher carefully. You will have time to shoot it before Hydra is in range of its cannon, and you will have time to get behind a building. Surviving is 100% easy. Hitting is not, I usually spend about 3 rockets. Now, hitting with Hydra at high speed is a bitch, especially if you aim for someone on feet and not in the middle of monotonous desert. I often aim by the flash of a rocket launched at me only. You can have an extra second by slowing down and deploying gear, but you will not outspeed a rocket then. So if you see a Hydra going for you with gears down - better shoot it when it passes you, not to its face. Second, I have nothing against people who are in passive all the time. I personally think that is quite boring and war is the fun, but I get that some people want to just roam around in some old car they have feelings for. And since the game allows it (which I disapprove, but that is a different story), that is fine, just pretend they are not there. People who use passive to get an upper hand in freemode fighting deserve to work for Simeon for the rest of their lives on the other hand. I don't use it to get to my Hydra, it is so unsportslike. If things get hard, I usually have Lester get me off radar and go to another spawning location. Third, I have an argument against passive in general. You do not need to go into the street at all really. All jobs can be started from the menu from your home. That is faster too. Free mode is nothing but a big battlefield. And it needs no passive mode. People who just want to climb that big mountain and enjoy the sunset can start a personal session. Like they need anybody else around to do that. Finally, I don't know what a "cliché jet-griefer" is, but I probably am one. Cause all I do is fly around and explode things. Then get killed. Then do a mission for ammo money. That is where my fun is, why is that a problem? So you're upset someone avoided dying in passive mode, and when given the alternative to avoiding passive mode in you huff and puff and say you don't want to do that, doubling down on your original opinion that passive mode should be reserved for literally your first 10 minutes playing online mode only? No, I am upset because people who kill me or try to kill me using passive mode as a weapon for that. The alternative you mention does not let me fly around in Hydra, trying to shoot at a random tank or Insurgent. Not saying it is bad, but not exactly what I want. Edited May 26, 2015 by Vemundr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor_Fisto Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) "WELL I CAN'T SEE A NEED FOR PASSIVE MODE ALL THE WAY UP HERE IN MY PERSONALLY BOUGHT FIGHTER JET" Edited May 26, 2015 by Señor_Fisto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vemundr Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) @Señor_Fisto AHAHAH! ROFL! I laughed so hard man, wheeeew, lol. Can I make this my game motto please? I can sent you % from each kill I make under this. Still shaking here, that was priceless. Edited May 26, 2015 by Vemundr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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