Does R* care about the Creator?

[slvrcobra]

The GTA Creator was a nice concept, but R*s handling of the feature has been largely disappointing for me. Aside from the general restrictiveness (which many of us know all too well), it has also suffered from a lack of support and growth over GTA V's current lifespan.

 

There are a plethora of features and bug fixes people have been asking for since the Beta that have largely been ignored, and it's frustrating when you consider the amazing potential the Creator has. Why not open more parts of the map? Why not give us Adversary-style vehicle and weapon locking? Why not give us Vehicle Deathmatches or the Mission Creator? Why not give us the ability to jump during map creation?

 

I just wonder what people think about Rockstar's handling of the Content Creator up to this point, so leave a reply if you agree, disagree, or think this is posted in the wrong section or whatever (I'm new to this, okay? I'm still trying to figure this sh*t out).

[GR Choke]

no otherwise all the problems would be fixed

[slvrcobra]

no otherwise all the problems would be fixed

I hope they make some MAJOR improvements in the near future. That's the only thing that can really get me back into GTA V at this point.

[Ezekeil2Ofive17]

The way I look at the creator is the same way I look at the forge from halo 3, great idea but poorly implemented, more of an add on. It wasn't till halo reach (the kind of sequel) that the forge really reached its potential

 

I don't think its that they don't care, its more that the creator wasn't integrated from the word go so the problems could be too labour intensive to fix, maybe they don't care enough

 

I'm sure gta 6 will have a great creator

[livejoker]

I lol'd as you mentioned "why aren't R* giving us mission creator and vehicle deathmatch creator", you know, stuff that would be a big add-on. And then you say "why can't we jump while creating a map?"

I fully agree; the creator is really bare-bone when you look at it. Xbox 360 here so unsure if other platforms have more features and such (I know newer platforms have more memory capacity and more objects but areas are still restricted, there's no fine tune button/option when raising/lowering objects so you need to raise the object and lower it again until you get the sweet spot). There's so much R* could learn from a game that was released in 2010 called Skate 3. Skate 3 had this amazing creator where you could flip objects, fine tune them, change color and make awesome creations. Some people would make domino's and domino courses that you see in a science show or something. I mean, I get the whole "console limitation" but I feel they're restricting some things just to piss us off. Seriously, why can't we use the city's airport?!

The more I work in the creator, the more I feel cheated. It's a great tool but the full potential isn't there.

Edited May 20, 2015 by livejoker

[Zorvaine]

Issues keep appearing on a constant basis. I'm not going to go into detail, stronktank's list of features and fixes covers that well.

 

Rockstar seems to focus on what the majority uses it for. Stunt Racing & Griefing (10.000.000$$$ Matches)

Me and the GCCC Creator Crew are trying to make descent matches given capture modes, street races, deathmatches without explosives, tanks and dubstep etc.

 

They need to look at the right people. GCCC. Not Youtubers and especially not those with a million plays. Look at GTA Livestreams. ALL they do are those done to death hotwheels tracks.

 

I know creators that make amazing things.

 

atheistsw - Incredibly detailed circuit races.

stronktank - Thematic and incredibly creative deathmatches made from the limited props that we have.

milffanta - He makes his own freight ships out of cabins. Master of nautical creativity.

Benmillard - Inventor of the Racing Line series. Stock Car racing that gives you a chance to race every car (That the Creator limits us to use)

Eric-A-hearse-a-who - Makes the best Motocross proper stunt races.

TwoSix1987 - Fantastic technical races.

Organlegger - Makes amazing off-road races and rebellious deathmatches.

SmootheJohnny - Well placed propping make his deathmatches look unique and enjoyable.

SACHMATA -A well thought out capture creator with in-depth story.

RODO77 - Various maps with well thought out balance. He also made exciting Triathlon races.

frankieb4u4get - Various matches of prop stacking to make works of combat affiliated art.

 

...The list goes on. If there's anyone that deserves attention, it's these people.

 

Time. Effort. Creativity. Should NOT be wasted. Rockstar have the resources to create, fix and promote greatness yet they don't. Our requests get ignored. Our jobs get looked over. People's potentials get wasted.

 

They need to start listening to the right people. GCCC. Where matches are built from creativity to provide entertainment and challenge. Not profit or fake advertisement.

[PhoGarrett]

Even though I don't agree much with Zorvaine, he just spit most of the words out of my mouth. When I first heard about the creator I thought I could be able to create my own cities, high-octane missions, and ridiculously complex races. Two of those can already be made in-game, but most of the job can only or mostly is done by manipulating the creator. When your own community has to make the job the way they want to make it through glitches and general manipulation of your mechanic is a god-awful example of a distributor-to-consumer relationship.

 

Don't get me wrong, you can make pretty condensed and nice maps within the restraints of the creator, hell I made a map 100% vanilla and it was very highly commended that it got verified by the GTA Content Creators crew (Not very honorable but still nice), although you never seem to be able to make very open maps of high-level constructiveness within their bounds. Believe me, I tried and I could only finish half of what I wanted to create and even then I had to pull some strings before molding a passable by-product. It honestly feels like R* wants us to make compromises rather then making ideas. This is unfortunate because I know many online friends that have that mindset and may spend weeks perfecting a job experimenting with various exploits because they weren't in the game from the get-go or just wasn't added in an update. The only decent thing R* did for the community was add the vertical options to props, but even then they're still a bit screwy to effectively use.

Edited June 2, 2015 by dillono

[cdjen93]

The most basic thing, a team-based respawn, so you have a set respawn area for each team. Something that should've been implemented since the beginning, but I guess there's NO platform that can handle something like that.

[EggsAndJam]

It is hard to make a decent map (especially on previous gen with its tiny 50 prop limit etc) that has a lot of, as Zorvaine said, "Time. Effort. Creativity" put into it.

But even with all of its restrictions, bugs and imcomprehensible limits, despite the obvious lack of care that R* has for the creator; there is a small core of people that consistently come up with these maps that are ovation worthy. They certainly serve as an inspiration for me and the 15 or so maps that I have saved that are in varying stages of completion. I hope one day my maps will be seen alongside some of those dudes listed in Zorvaine's post.

 

And that leads me onto my next point that one of the most frustrating things is figuring out how the hell to get maps you've made seen & played. The forum here is all but dead these days and I am yet to come across a crew that I want to join. I had a look at the 360 section of the GCCC that was mentioned further up and had to scroll through 148 maps before coming across one that looked even quarterway decent (it was a generic capture with cash trucks and armed guards).

 

For me imagination & detail is key. Look at an area on a map, how can you do something different here, use unpopular props, (or popular ones in new combinations), make a backstory, use descriptive objective text, think about what you are doing, why is that prop there...

 

 

If I see one more green container ramp...

Edited May 20, 2015 by sleepwalk1980

[slvrcobra]

I lol'd as you mentioned "why aren't R* giving us mission creator and vehicle deathmatch creator", you know, stuff that would be a big add-on. And then you say "why can't we jump while creating a map?"

I fully agree; the creator is really bare-bone when you look at it. Xbox 360 here so unsure if other platforms have more features and such (I know newer platforms have more memory capacity and more objects but areas are still restricted, there's no fine tune button/option when raising/lowering objects so you need to raise the object and lower it again until you get the sweet spot). There's so much R* could learn from a game that was released in 2010 called Skate 3. Skate 3 had this amazing creator where you could flip objects, fine tune them, change color and make awesome creations. Some people would make domino's and domino courses that you see in a science show or something. I mean, I get the whole "console limitation" but I feel they're restricting some things just to piss us off. Seriously, why can't we use the city's airport?!

The more I work in the creator, the more I feel cheated. It's a great tool but the full potential isn't there.

I made sure everything I listed would be at least moderately reasonable (even the Mission Creator; if I'm not mistaken, modders found hidden features for two or three unfinished Creator modes that just haven't been released yet a while back). But I put the jumping thing at the end to make the jarring point that you got; There's things that they can add that would be nice, but then on the opposite side of the spectrum, there's even basic bugs and sh*t that they refuse to address.

 

And I agree; people say when this topic is brought up that "Oh, it's their first try, give em' some slack!" I can do that to an extent, but there are numerous examples of map creators that have made mistakes and improvements so R* wouldn't have to, they had examples to follow and they seem to have completely disregarded them.

[InactiveNew]

People im afraid dont get it. GTA5 Online has had a lot added to it, the creator being a big part of that so of course there will be tons of issues, maybe with GTA6 it will be a more polished game from the start. I know R* are working towards improving the creator and other things for GTA5 but rome wasnt built in a day and with all the new content being demanded its difficult to tell what we can really expect next.

 

This is exactly why these forums are useful so that we creators can help each other out as best we can until most of the issues have been resolved or fixed, i know it shouldn't be like this but it is so we have to get on with it and do the best we can with what we got.

[handcuff_charlie]

The GTA Creator was a nice concept, but R*s handling of the feature has been largely disappointing for me. Aside from the general restrictiveness (which many of us know all too well), it has also suffered from a lack of support and growth over GTA V's current lifespan.

 

There are a plethora of features and bug fixes people have been asking for since the Beta that have largely been ignored, and it's frustrating when you consider the amazing potential the Creator has. Why not open more parts of the map? Why not give us Adversary-style vehicle and weapon locking? Why not give us Vehicle Deathmatches or the Mission Creator? Why not give us the ability to jump during map creation?

 

I just wonder what people think about Rockstar's handling of the Content Creator up to this point, so leave a reply if you agree, disagree, or think this is posted in the wrong section or whatever (I'm new to this, okay? I'm still trying to figure this sh*t out).

 

Let me put it this way....

 

If they didn't care at all about the creator feature, could they make it any more obvious?

 

I'm sure gta 6 will have a great creator

 

Why? It can be another turd and a million twats will still trip over themselves to buy it. Explain to me their motivation for giving any crap about the quality of their releases.

Edited May 28, 2015 by handcuff_charlie

[ManiaC00L]

post edited...

 

 

i like to start fires to watch the rescue team come and put them out, nothing more nothing less.

Edited June 2, 2015 by ManiaC00L

[InactiveNew]

IT MUST BE HARD releasing a content creator that can make full games/missions using R* game engine on their bottom line. Obviously that is the bottleneck fellas and all the begging suggesting in the world is not going to get them to be able to maintain a profit long term while at the same time giving each of us the ability to redesign their game with full control... what we are asking for is sadly unattainable through rockstar.. if you want a creator with more precision and accurate coordinates you will just have to design ur own it would seem.

 

plz keep me posted when a real creator comes out, its truly amazing what people have been making with this, but it is far and away a joke and i recommend unless your importing other users jobs in and editing them not to even attempt this headache. it has been designed in a way that was met for a 12 year old max to use for fun not a bunch of adults on pc's trying to start something bigger but if any of you out their want to do something this is the place... and everywhere else you can speak up.........

wtf are you chatting about?

Edited April 1, 2018 by UniqueAsh

[hyperkane]

Does R* care about the Creator?

No.

[budcat]

Too many "$1000000000000RP + every1 gets laid!!!!!!!" races/dms have ruined it for everyone.

 

 

 

I'm sure gta 6 will have a great creator

 

Why? It can be another turd and a million twats will still trip over themselves to buy it. Explain to me their motivation for giving any crap about the quality of their releases.

 

That's what worries me about GTA5. I'm like a double twat, gave them $120 (more like $150) for this game, and I'm one of the ones really pissed off about a lot of things in the game. If even disgruntled people buy in there is no reason not to do it again. Based on GTA5 I'm actually really worried about GTA6. This is the first GTA game to really show any negative trajectory and it's their most profitable yet. Sucks.

 

The only consolation in my eyes is they won't be able to time the game for a next-gen system every single time they release a game, so hopefully this'll be the only time the f*cks trick me into buying the game twice.

Edited May 28, 2015 by budcat

[ManiaC00L]

post edited ........

Edited June 2, 2015 by ManiaC00L

[handcuff_charlie]

IT MUST BE HARD releasing a content creator that can make full games/missions using R* game engine on their bottom line. Obviously that is the bottleneck fellas and all the begging suggesting in the world is not going to get them to be able to maintain a profit long term while at the same time giving each of us the ability to redesign their game with full control... what we are asking for is sadly unattainable through rockstar.. if you want a creator with more precision and accurate coordinates you will just have to design ur own it would seem.

 

plz keep me posted when a real creator comes out, its truly amazing what people have been making with this, but it is far and away a joke and i recommend unless your importing other users jobs in and editing them not to even attempt this headache. it has been designed in a way that was met for a 12 year old max to use for fun not a bunch of adults on pc's trying to start something bigger but if any of you out their want to do something this is the place... and everywhere else you can speak up.........

 

LOL so apparently you know absolutely nothing about business at even a basic level

 

The games are already sold. There is no subscription. If you want to play the custom content you still have to buy the game. If you want to play R* content, you have to buy the game.

 

In fact R* reserves the right to take any custom content and call it theirs....which you still have to buy the game to play.

 

 

Wow...it amazes me how people will just make crap up with absolutely zero sense in any of it, and knowing nothing about what they are talking about.

 

The fact is, BECAUSE R* and their games are so profitable, they dont have to give a crap about anything working right. As long as the game launches and the code runs, bugs be damned, full speed ahead, the legions of dumbmasses will happily give them whatever price they want....they'll even buy the game twice or three times LMAO.

[handcuff_charlie]

Too many "$1000000000000RP + every1 gets laid!!!!!!!" races/dms have ruined it for everyone.

 

 

 

I'm sure gta 6 will have a great creator

 

Why? It can be another turd and a million twats will still trip over themselves to buy it. Explain to me their motivation for giving any crap about the quality of their releases.

 

That's what worries me about GTA5. I'm like a double twat, gave them $120 (more like $150) for this game, and I'm one of the ones really pissed off about a lot of things in the game. If even disgruntled people buy in there is no reason not to do it again. Based on GTA5 I'm actually really worried about GTA6. This is the first GTA game to really show any negative trajectory and it's their most profitable yet. Sucks.

 

The only consolation in my eyes is they won't be able to time the game for a next-gen system every single time they release a game, so hopefully this'll be the only time the f*cks trick me into buying the game twice.

 

Rockstar simply sucks at online games. They make excellent traditional/offline games, but they suck at making those games work in the online environment.

 

There is no reason for there to be so much back and forth loading in and out sessions.

There is no reason someone losing connection should cause so many others to lose connection.

There is no reason why players shouldnt be able to join into game action after it has started.

 

All of these things have been done many many years ago both in the console and PC world.

 

 

If you are a real industry nerd, or know people in the know behind the scenes, then you could watch and see if they ever bring anyone in to work for them who come from successful online game programming/design backgrounds. Then you'll know if the next game is going to be another half-assed concoction or not. Given the fact that this one has made them a mountain of money, I think the safest bet in the world is that the next one will be more of the same. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.....

 

Even SOE 10-15 years ago, was light years ahead of R*.

[handcuff_charlie]

Rockstar seems to focus on what the majority uses it for. Stunt Racing & Griefing (10.000.000$$$ Matches)

Me and the GCCC Creator Crew are trying to make descent matches given capture modes, street races, deathmatches without explosives, tanks and dubstep etc.

 

 

 

They need to start listening to the right people. GCCC. Where matches are built from creativity to provide entertainment and challenge. Not profit or fake advertisement.

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2015 by handcuff_charlie

[ugotsmoked]

The only ones that really enjoy it are the ones who create rigged dms. I do dms all the time. Only Rockstar created.

[InactiveNew]

None of you have to use creator if you don't like it or feel its poorly implemented don't use it, none of you have to or need to play the game if you feel it has so many issues yet you all come here winging about the same game you ALL have spent huge amounts of time on many months in fact so cant of been that sh*te can it? None of you make any f*ckin sense. What's all this behind the scenes nerdy bullsh*t handcuff charlies rambling on about? what you chatting cos no one gives a f*ck really were talking about just the creator here.

 

Yes there are issues even i agree on that but i remember what R* have given me and that is some memorable moments some ill never forget and even now im still having fun and enjoying it.

 

None of you would even be using this forum like you have for the past two and half years if it wasn't for this game but then sad angry people have nothing better to do than winge like bitches again and again about the same issues again and again. No one listens no one cares or hasn't that sunk in either?

 

Winge All You Like

[EggsAndJam]

Handcuff Charlie was talking about the creator too. Maybe you misunderstood his post.

 

He made reference to the type of programmers/game creators that R* might employ for GTA6

To create a truly magnificent game in GTA6, with a creator that works as well as we all wish GTA5's would, they would need to employ the very cream of game programmers

 

Now if someone was in the know (eg. a behind the scenes person working at R* maybe, but not a programmer), or if someone outside of R* knew of these high level programmers and they also knew that R* had employed them to work on GTA6 - one could deduce that GTA6 would be a magnificent game. Fully formed. Fully realised. And with everything in it that GTA5 didn't have.

 

And people do care, that's why these forums and threads and websites exist; to get the best out of GTAO and the creator. Because it seems as if R* dropped the ball somewhat when releasing GTAO when it is compared to other online multiplayer games.

 

I for one love the creator, with all its limitations. It is the best of what I have at my disposal so I use it & I enjoy using it. Do I wish it was better? Of course. But that's life...

Edited June 2, 2015 by sleepwalk1980

[PhoGarrett]

None of you have to use creator if you don't like it or feel its poorly implemented don't use it, none of you have to or need to play the game if you feel it has so many issues yet you all come here winging about the same game you ALL have spent huge amounts of time on many months in fact so cant of been that sh*te can it? None of you make any f*ckin sense. What's all this behind the scenes nerdy bullsh*t handcuff charlies rambling on about? what you chatting cos no one gives a f*ck really were talking about just the creator here.

 

Yes there are issues even i agree on that but i remember what R* have given me and that is some memorable moments some ill never forget and even now im still having fun and enjoying it.

 

None of you would even be using this forum like you have for the past two and half years if it wasn't for this game but then sad angry people have nothing better to do than winge like bitches again and again about the same issues again and again. No one listens no one cares or hasn't that sunk in either?

 

Winge All You Like

I don't mean to carry myself into this conversation or even to offend you, but you spelt "Whinge" wrong dude.

[Damned_Hitman]

 

I don't mean to carry myself into this conversation or even to offend you, but you spelt "Whinge" wrong dude.

 

 

 

R* care about $, find a way of eploiting $ through the content creator they might remember it exists.

[InactiveNew]

 

None of you have to use creator if you don't like it or feel its poorly implemented don't use it, none of you have to or need to play the game if you feel it has so many issues yet you all come here winging about the same game you ALL have spent huge amounts of time on many months in fact so cant of been that sh*te can it? None of you make any f*ckin sense. What's all this behind the scenes nerdy bullsh*t handcuff charlies rambling on about? what you chatting cos no one gives a f*ck really were talking about just the creator here.

 

Yes there are issues even i agree on that but i remember what R* have given me and that is some memorable moments some ill never forget and even now im still having fun and enjoying it.

 

None of you would even be using this forum like you have for the past two and half years if it wasn't for this game but then sad angry people have nothing better to do than winge like bitches again and again about the same issues again and again. No one listens no one cares or hasn't that sunk in either?

 

Winge All You Like

I don't mean to carry myself into this conversation or even to offend you, but you spelt "Whinge" wrong dude.

 

Dillono im British this is easily done and why get involved? yet again you needlessly get involved in others disagreements sort it out man

[InactiveNew]

Handcuff Charlie was talking about the creator too. Maybe you misunderstood his post.

 

He made reference to the type of programmers/game creators that R* might employ for GTA6

To create a truly magnificent game in GTA6, with a creator that works as well as we all wish GTA5's would, they would need to employ the very cream of game programmers

 

Now if someone was in the know (eg. a behind the scenes person working at R* maybe, but not a programmer), or if someone outside of R* knew of these high level programmers and they also knew that R* had employed them to work on GTA6 - one could deduce that GTA6 would be a magnificent game. Fully formed. Fully realised. And with everything in it that GTA5 didn't have.

 

And people do care, that's why these forums and threads and websites exist; to get the best out of GTAO and the creator. Because it seems as if R* dropped the ball somewhat when releasing GTAO when it is compared to other online multiplayer games.

 

I for one love the creator, with all its limitations. It is the best of what I have at my disposal so I use it & I enjoy using it. Do I wish it was better? Of course. But that's life...

Erm hello GTA5 has had a lot added to it since its release. GTA6 wont be the same in that respect and i expect a more polished game from the start. Even creator has had loads added to it. GTA5 has had more added to it over the past two and half years than any other game i know released since GTA5 has been released, period.

 

So of course there were going to be countless issues. Its like when you create a job in GTA5 you need to test it then you might go back and make some changes to improve it because after watching and playing it you know areas in which it can be improved, GTA5 is no different. I believe R* didn't expect their game to be so popular in terms of online gameplay hence why we have so many FREE updates and tons of added content.

 

Its us the players of the community that give R* their inspiration and ideas to do more to say R* sit on their ass doing nothing is a bit of a joke in all fairness yes they could maybe listen to us more but how many people moan about the same thing over and over again i wouldnt want to listen to it.

We have support tickets for this made by top creators themselves who have spent time and effort making these up http://gtaforums.com/topic/734116-content-creator-bugs-suggestions-wishlist-v2/maybe show some support here your energy is wasted here believe me.

Edited June 2, 2015 by UniqueAsh

[InactiveNew]

 

 

I don't mean to carry myself into this conversation or even to offend you, but you spelt "Whinge" wrong dude.

 

 

 

R* care about $, find a way of eploiting $ through the content creator they might remember it exists.

 

Pointless post what games company does not care about money?

[handcuff_charlie]

Handcuff Charlie was talking about the creator too. Maybe you misunderstood his post.

 

He made reference to the type of programmers/game creators that R* might employ for GTA6

To create a truly magnificent game in GTA6, with a creator that works as well as we all wish GTA5's would, they would need to employ the very cream of game programmers

 

Now if someone was in the know (eg. a behind the scenes person working at R* maybe, but not a programmer), or if someone outside of R* knew of these high level programmers and they also knew that R* had employed them to work on GTA6 - one could deduce that GTA6 would be a magnificent game. Fully formed. Fully realised. And with everything in it that GTA5 didn't have.

 

And people do care, that's why these forums and threads and websites exist; to get the best out of GTAO and the creator. Because it seems as if R* dropped the ball somewhat when releasing GTAO when it is compared to other online multiplayer games.

 

I for one love the creator, with all its limitations. It is the best of what I have at my disposal so I use it & I enjoy using it. Do I wish it was better? Of course. But that's life...

 

Good to see somebody has a high school level of reading comprehension

Edited June 2, 2015 by handcuff_charlie

[InactiveNew]

 

Handcuff Charlie was talking about the creator too. Maybe you misunderstood his post.

 

He made reference to the type of programmers/game creators that R* might employ for GTA6

To create a truly magnificent game in GTA6, with a creator that works as well as we all wish GTA5's would, they would need to employ the very cream of game programmers

 

Now if someone was in the know (eg. a behind the scenes person working at R* maybe, but not a programmer), or if someone outside of R* knew of these high level programmers and they also knew that R* had employed them to work on GTA6 - one could deduce that GTA6 would be a magnificent game. Fully formed. Fully realised. And with everything in it that GTA5 didn't have.

 

And people do care, that's why these forums and threads and websites exist; to get the best out of GTAO and the creator. Because it seems as if R* dropped the ball somewhat when releasing GTAO when it is compared to other online multiplayer games.

 

I for one love the creator, with all its limitations. It is the best of what I have at my disposal so I use it & I enjoy using it. Do I wish it was better? Of course. But that's life...

 

Good to see somebody has a high school level of reading comprehension

 

Oh don't you mean nice to see someone with their tongue firmly wedged up your arse which seems to be the norm for you. Laughable