billiam Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Before I start, I know a lot of people will say that Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto are not set in the same universe, I would like to divert those people to this thread: http://gtaforums.com/topic/746925-gta-v-red-dead-redemption-same-world/ Personally I think they are the same universe and place names mentioned in Red Dead (New York and California) exist in the Grand Theft Auto world in addition to San Andreas and Liberty City. For the purpose of this thread lets assume they are the same universe So here are 5 reasons why I think that Michael may be a Descendant of John Marston: 1). Personality: Both John and Michael are very angry people and are easily turned violent. John used to ride in a gang and rob people for a living, Michael also robbed people for a living. Both care about their family, the whole red dead redemption game is based around john trying to be reunited with his family, Michael also spends a portion of GTA 5 wanting to be reunited with his family. 2). Appearance: They don't look the same but there's nothing to suggest they're definitely not related; both are Caucasian and their facial features are somewhat similar (the only major difference being John's scar). Additionally I find their voices to be somewhat similar but that's just my opinion. 3). Shooting: Both John and Michael are very skilled with guns. Even at the start of GTA 5 Michael's shooting skill is at a high level. John shows remarkable accuracy throughout red dead redemption, notably when helping to sell West Dicken's elixir by demonstrating his shooting abilities. 4). Special Ability: Michael's ability to slow time is slightly less effective version of John's ability. The only difference being that John could tag targets 5). Desanta: The name Michael inherits when he starts his new life in Los Santos is 'Desanta' which is the name of a character John encounters during Red Dead redemption. Maybe Michael was told stories about his ancestor including the time John spent in Mexico and the name 'Desanta' stuck with him influencing his decision when choosing a new name. In addition to these points, they're stories in the games are very similar, Both retired from a life of crime but end up becoming government agent puppets as a result of their past. Edited May 3, 2015 by Billiam301 Iroquois 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammsbro Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why not. There have been rumours that Franklin is the son of Denise's sister and CJ. There is a book in Franks house titled "red dead" and it's written by a John Marston. Iroquois and theGTAking101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixnay Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yeah, I don't know. I get what you're saying, but these really seem like the thinnest of reasoning. And this is just my opinion, mind you. There are a lot of angry people who quickly turn violent. And there are millions of people who don't look the same. To use that as a basis for saying "Well, that doesn't mean they're not related," it seems one would have to come from the approach that "We're all related in some way" which, in my opinion, kinda makes the assumption meaningless. There are a lot of people skilled with guns. I imagine they both are because of the lifestyles they have; imagine how "fun" the game would be if you were in the wild west or a career bank robber and didn't know how to use a gun. I consider "special ability" to be nothing more than a mechanic, often utilized in games where there's gunplay. As for names, there are many people with my last name who aren't related to me. I would assume it was just some random Italian-sounding name that he or someone else picked. Besides, we know these games like to throw in nods to other games, but I would be surprised if they actually put any real consideration into it other than that. Jewstinian and gtaguy95 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOOBASTEEB Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yup, and Trevor is Niko's sister Ragref, Zello, Dope_0110 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiam Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 There are a lot of angry people who quickly turn violent. And there are millions of people who don't look the same. To use that as a basis for saying "Well, that doesn't mean they're not related," it seems one would have to come from the approach that "We're all related in some way" which, in my opinion, kinda makes the assumption meaningless. The reason I included the 'They don't looks the same' is basically just to emphasise that they are both Caucasian and their features aren't completely different, which means that they're appearance doesn't change possibility that they are related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Actually , Marston shares a lot of similarities with Johnny K , believe me , it's on the gta wiki , trivia section . Edited May 3, 2015 by SuperGTFan Otselot and rea12345 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yup, and Trevor is Niko's sister lol ..wat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Nashton Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why not. There have been rumours that Franklin is the son of Denise's sister and CJ. There is a book in Franks house titled "red dead" and it's written by a John Marston. Non-canon easter eggs and nods pretty much sums up the explanation for most of the things you and OP mentioned. Remember that poster of Claude firing an AK-47 hanging in Tommy's Hotel room safe house in GTA Vice City, how would you explain that without time travel? They're just nods to previous games, R* has made it clear that the 3D and HD universes are completely separate, they share some minor characters with similar histories but are in fact alternate versions of each other (e.g Lazlow). Before I start, I know a lot of people will say that Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto are not set in the same universe, I would like to divert those people to this thread: http://gtaforums.com/topic/746925-gta-v-red-dead-redemption-same-world/ Personally I think they are the same universe and place names mentioned in Red Dead (New York and California) exist in the Grand Theft Auto world in addition to San Andreas and Liberty City. For the purpose of this thread lets assume they are the same universe So here are 5 reasons why I think that Michael may be a Descendant of John Marston: 1). Personality: Both John and Michael are very angry people and are easily turned violent. John used to ride in a gang and rob people for a living, Michael also robbed people for a living. Both care about their family, the whole red dead redemption game is based around john trying to be reunited with his family, Michael also spends a portion of GTA 5 wanting to be reunited with his family. 2). Appearance: They don't look the same but there's nothing to suggest they're definitely not related. Additionally I find their voices to be somewhat similar but that's just my opinion. 3). Shooting: Both John and Michael are very skilled with guns. Even at the start of GTA 5 Michael's shooting skill is at a high level. John shows remarkable accuracy throughout red dead redemption, notably when helping to sell West Dicken's elixir by demonstrating his shooting abilities. 4). Special Ability: Michael's ability to slow time is slightly less effective version of John's ability. The only difference being that John could tag targets 5). Desanta: The name Michael inherits when he starts his new life in Los Santos is 'Desanta' which is the name of a character John encounters during Red Dead redemption. Maybe Michael was told stories about his ancestor including the time John spent in Mexico and the name 'Desanta' stuck with him influencing his decision when choosing a new name. In addition to these points, they're stories in the games are very similar, Both retired from a life of crime but end up becoming government agent puppets as a result of their past. Nothing in the HD universe indicates that New York and California exist and there are other hints that lead to the fact that RD and GTA are separate, FBI in RDR and FIB in GTA HDU for example. You mentioned both Michael and John being very skilled marksmen, hinting that the two are related .... hmm, what other R* character is so skilled at shooting that he essentially slows time when aiming? You're welcome Zello, Payne Killer and SmokesWithCigs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtaFanatik Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why not. There have been rumours that Franklin is the son of Denise's sister and CJ. There is a book in Franks house titled "red dead" and it's written by a John Marston. Also Shawn Fonteno (Franklin) and Young Maylay (CJ) are cousins in real life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why not. There have been rumours that Franklin is the son of Denise's sister and CJ. There is a book in Franks house titled "red dead" and it's written by a John Marston. Also Shawn Fonteno (Franklin) and Young Maylay (CJ) are cousins in real life...And Niko is a Russian actor in real life ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Zeus Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yeah, and Trevor is Niko's cousin. Both are immigrants after all. Both are inconsistent at times. Both have special abilities: Absorbing huge damage(Trevor) and understanding the un-understandable talk(Niko understands Little Jacob). Appearance: They don't look the same, but there's nothing to say they might not be related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thafablifee46 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Id agree with johnny k and john m being more related. John had green eyes and michael has blue. Jack Marston would even be closer to michaels bloodline so why didn't you say jack? But I strongly doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiam Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Id agree with johnny k and john m being more related. John had green eyes and michael has blue. Jack Marston would even be closer to michaels bloodline so why didn't you say jack? But I strongly doubt it John in Red Dead is closer to being the same age as Michael in GTA, whereas Jack is still young when you play as him, also more is known about John compared to Jack Edited May 3, 2015 by Billiam301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTechPoTaToCHIP Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Even if you do ignore the blatant thing of the two series not being in the same universe (which is something you cannot just hide under the rug ya cheeky bastard) the last name "Townly" suggests that Michael has Irish ancestry. Michael was born in the 1960's so Jack would be his grandfather if they were related. I know Jack would be on his mother's side so there is a chance, but with that logic, he could be related to anyone from the HD era. Anyway, that thread about the two games being in the same universe you linked is complete bullsh*t, it puts the consequential evidence to the forefront and dismisses the more major and obvious evidence just because it doesn't agree with the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANIEL3GS Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Why not. There have been rumours that Franklin is the son of Denise's sister and CJ. There is a book in Franks house titled "red dead" and it's written by a Jack Marston. Fixed that Zello and Jammsbro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanonearth Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 And I`m the Sultan of Brunei. Zello and Zapp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luddite Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Two words ppl: Wade Marston k0NG3ØRN, lastmanonearth and Zello 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanonearth Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Two words ppl: Wade Marston Amanda`s maiden name - Hopkins. She gave up her first son, also named Jimmy to a boarding school and then to foster care and later, out of guilt named her next son after him. Zello and thafablifee46 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luddite Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) So Wade is Trevor's son by Amanda. That could work. ...or is Jimmy? or both Mike's "kids." She was a stripper/escort and possibly using back then. Had plenty of access to Trev and his ";guiles." Another reason for Trev to resent Amnda & her relationship with Mike. So when John Marston went north, he changed his name to Phillips. Edited May 3, 2015 by Luddite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanonearth Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 So Wade is Trevor's son by Amanda. That could work. So when John Marston went north, he changed his name to Phillips. Why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thafablifee46 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Do you guys also think it could be possible that Franklin and the protagonist of saints row are related ? Okay, hear me out. Its never confirmed that gta and saint row take places in different universes right ? And the saints may be predecessors to the balla gang as they both wear purple. lastmanonearth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjmthe2nd Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 No, I think Rockstar just got inspired by RDR which is why Michael / John has the same attitude and similar endings. just like Franklin is kind of similar to CJ in a way. they have nothing to do with each other its just Rockstar liking something in those characters and used it for future games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otselot Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 No, Johnny K is the descendant of John Marston. lastmanonearth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 the bloodline must got very dilluted then: IMO, Max Payne is the descendant of John Marston. lastmanonearth and Ixnay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otselot Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 the bloodline must got very dilluted then: IMO, Max Payne is the descendant of John Marston Luis is Max Payne's son. lastmanonearth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfennekin Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Do you guys also think it could be possible that Franklin and the protagonist of saints row are related ? Okay, hear me out. Its never confirmed that gta and saint row take places in different universes right ? And the saints may be predecessors to the balla gang as they both wear purple. That's absurd. The earth blew up before V took place lastmanonearth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodSgtScooter Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) OP, your reasoning is really flimsy. For all the reasons you put out, Max Payne could also fit the bill. Do you guys also think it could be possible that Franklin and the protagonist of saints row are related ? Okay, hear me out. Its never confirmed that gta and saint row take places in different universes right ? And the saints may be predecessors to the balla gang as they both wear purple.No. That doesn't make sense. Edited May 3, 2015 by TheGoodSgtScooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otselot Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Do you guys also think it could be possible that Franklin and the protagonist of saints row are related ? Okay, hear me out. Its never confirmed that gta and saint row take places in different universes right ? And the saints may be predecessors to the balla gang as they both wear purple. That's absurd. The earth blew up before V took place That explains the "Different Universe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGTFan Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) And Luis Lopez is Victor Vince third unknown brother Edited May 3, 2015 by SuperGTFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Do you guys also think it could be possible that Franklin and the protagonist of saints row are related ? Okay, hear me out. Its never confirmed that gta and saint row take places in different universes right ? And the saints may be predecessors to the balla gang as they both wear purple. Umm... R* doesnt make Saints Row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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