Please help me building a new pc!

[TheMcSame]

I don't think ASUS is inferior. Its atleast better than the others in terms of quality and after sales service atleast in india.

Sometimes I wonder whether people actually read posts... I wonder why that is...

[sivispacem]

MSI are fine, good bang for buck. Gigabyte hit and miss; some are great, some are really poor. I'd avoid ASRock personally.

[SapphireCrystal]

ASRock has been running me fine for a few years already.

[sivispacem]

Don't get me wrong, you'll probably be fine. But they tend to cut corners with components and their customer support is pretty poor IME.

[yoječ]

ASRock has vastly improved since they parted from ASUS - back then they only made either OEM boards or low-end stuff, simply because they didn't want it to compete with ASUS. Moreover, ASRock has employed a lot of now-defunct Abit staff (I still wonder why did they go bankrupt... they made good boards). That's why ASRock now makes Fatal1ty series motherboards (Abit used to do that).

 

I'll just add that ASRock mobos are now made by Pegatron... who used to manufacture ASUS boards (now they're made by ECS and such)

Edited May 5, 2015 by yojo2

[DS12]

But still, the customer support of asrock, gigabyte and msi s****! So, isn't it better for me to spend Rs.3k (~$45) for a company which provides good quality and better customer support?

[TheMcSame]

But still, the customer support of asrock, gigabyte and msi s****! So, isn't it better for me to spend Rs.3k (~$45) for a company which provides good quality and better customer support?

$10 more? Sure. $45 more just for "better" customer support? God no.

[swirler]

Going down to the lower end (price wise) is going to mean lower quality, no matter the brand.

Worry less about the brand (while staying away from the bottom feeders, like biostar), and more about the place you purchase it from. Chances are the mobo (any you wish to order) will be fine. *IF* something goes wrong, a place that does no fuss exchange or refund is going to beat the pants off even the highest rated mobo manufacturer.

On about 40 or so builds, Ive had zero issues with Gigabyte, some minor annoyances with MSI (USB related), and 1 instance of a DOA Asus. Only bought from those 3 brands myself.

[sivispacem]

I've had two ASRock boards. Both died of capacitor plague, one taking out my processor too, but they were from the bad old days.

 

I've had 4 ASUS and only one has ever popped it's clogs- and that was after what, about 4 years of pretty heafty use.

[yoječ]

Modern day motherboards typically have solid caps all-round (maybe apart from the audio circuit), so that's not really relevant anymore.

[DS12]

I've had two ASRock boards. Both died of capacitor plague, one taking out my processor too, but they were from the bad old days.

 

I've had 4 ASUS and only one has ever popped it's clogs- and that was after what, about 4 years of pretty heafty use.

That's the reason why I am going for ASUS. I still have an ASUS in ma old rig for almost 5 yrs now.

 

Also, many people are saying that gtx 970 doesn't perform well. They had to overclock their cpu's in order to get better fps in GTA 5.

[Andreaz1]

Also, many people are saying that gtx 970 doesn't perform well. They had to overclock their cpu's in order to get better fps in GTA 5.

Huh? Unless you made a big typo, that means the GPU performs too well for the CPU.

 

Show us the "many people" that say the "GTX970 doesn't perform well" and we can show you at least as many people who say it does. You are focusing completely on the few people complaining about the 3.5 + 0.5Gb memory "issue", but have you read any professional reviews of the card or any professional benchmark numbers?

Edited May 6, 2015 by Andreaz1

[swirler]

FYI I had a look at MFAA (using a 970), so if this doesnt convince you that the GPU is capable, I dont know what will.

 

And keep in mind, if you are currently running with a CRT, its probably pushing about a million pixels, the testing I was doing was at between 4 and 8 times as many (which is a lot, if that doesnt hold much impact with you).

[DS12]

This is what I came across..

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2609486/gta-fps-drop-gtx-770.html

Edited May 7, 2015 by DS12

[TheMcSame]

This is what I came across..

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2609486/gta-fps-drop-gtx-770.html

That's a thread about the 770, not the 970....

[DS12]

 

This is what I came across..

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2609486/gta-fps-drop-gtx-770.html

That's a thread about the 770, not the 970....

 

Yeah, I know. But, both have 4gb vram and still that guy wasn't able to run it properly unless he oc'ed his cpu...

[Andreaz1]

Yeah, I know. But, both have 4gb vram and still that guy wasn't able to run it properly unless he oc'ed his cpu...

You're just ignoring everything that's actually relevant to judge it by one single number that doesn't even determine the actual performance of the card. "I don't want this because this older thing that came out years before it was bad (which it wasn't)". "I don't want a black computer case because my old one was black and that computer sucked". "I don't want a blue car because my old blue car was crap". It's ridiculous. Plus, you're still either misspelling or mixing this whole thing up. OC'ing your CPU because it's bottlenecking your system means your video card is really good, not the other way round.

 

I get that you're new to this, but the best advice I can give to you right now is to actually listen to the advice we're giving you. If you keep refusing to do so I'm not sure why we keep doing this.

Edited May 7, 2015 by Andreaz1

[DS12]

 

Yeah, I know. But, both have 4gb vram and still that guy wasn't able to run it properly unless he oc'ed his cpu...

You're just ignoring everything that's actually relevant to judge it by one single number that doesn't even determine the actual performance of the card. "I don't want this because this older thing that came out years before it was bad (which it wasn't)". "I don't want a black computer case because my old one was black and that computer sucked". "I don't want a blue car because my old blue car was crap". It's ridiculous. Plus, you're still either misspelling or mixing this whole thing up. OC'ing your CPU because it's bottlenecking your system means your video card is really good, not the other way round.

 

I get that you're new to this, but the best advice I can give to you right now is to actually listen to the advice we're giving you. If you keep refusing to do so I'm not sure why we keep doing this.

 

Ok Sir! I am just enquiring as I don't want to regret after buying all these expensive stuff. Also, I want a pc which would suffice me for atleast 2 years.

[TheMcSame]

Yeah, I know. But, both have 4gb vram and still that guy wasn't able to run it properly unless he oc'ed his cpu...

4GB of VRAM on one card =/= 4GB of VRAM on another card.

 

As for it lasting 2 years... Well the 970 will be a bit outdated if HBM sticks around (which I assume it will) but it'll still be a decent card, it might not be maxing everything out at 1080p 60fps in 2 years but it'll be close.

[DS12]

Will the prices of 970 and 980 go down when amd releases its r9 300 series?

[yoječ]

That is possible. Although there are rumors that nearly all cards from the RX-300 will be just rebrands of the HD7000/RX-200 series...

[swirler]

I wouldnt hold my breath for any noteworthy change on the 970.

 

Nvidia will be launching the 980ti to reduce people jumping ship to the red team, with the 390x next month. But they are in an awkward situation, the 980ti stands to reduce people going for a titan purchase too.

 

Without rambling too much (!), it really depends on how well received the 390x is and very importantly its price! AMD are set to take back the performance crown, and they are likely going to charge for it, the rest are just rebrands and will probably be priced competitively. Id say the 980 may get a small price adjustment and to a lesser extent the 970 too. If you were looking at top tier Id say wait, but the 970 is a good bang for buck card and isnt likely to move much on price.

[DS12]

I wouldnt hold my breath for any noteworthy change on the 970.

 

Nvidia will be launching the 980ti to reduce people jumping ship to the red team, with the 390x next month. But they are in an awkward situation, the 980ti stands to reduce people going for a titan purchase too.

 

Without rambling too much (!), it really depends on how well received the 390x is and very importantly its price! AMD are set to take back the performance crown, and they are likely going to charge for it, the rest are just rebrands and will probably be priced competitively. Id say the 980 may get a small price adjustment and to a lesser extent the 970 too. If you were looking at top tier Id say wait, but the 970 is a good bang for buck card and isnt likely to move much on price.

I was thinking of going for the 980 in case the price drops.

[swirler]

Your budget has really gone out the window o.O

 

Either you fell down the back of your couch and struck gold, or you just dont know whats going on at all lol

 

The 980/ti/titan is for those with money to burn, not budget builders, or those seeking strong bang-for-buck machines. A nice 970 with custom cooler can come with out of the box performance within an inch of a 980 at a much lower cost.

[DS12]

Your budget has really gone out the window o.O

 

Either you fell down the back of your couch and struck gold, or you just dont know whats going on at all lol

 

The 980/ti/titan is for those with money to burn, not budget builders, or those seeking strong bang-for-buck machines. A nice 970 with custom cooler can come with out of the box performance within an inch of a 980 at a much lower cost.

Yeah. You are right. With the intel's and nvidia's I am completely out of budget as I was going for amd and ati. But after posting here, I got an idea that intel would be much better than amd

[Reformed Squid]

How much cheaper is an r9 290 in your country? If it's significantly cheaper then you might want to consider it, it's got performance almost as good as the 970, and at least here it's noticeably less expensive. Just keep in mind, it consumes more power and runs hotter, but a decent aftermarket model will keep the temperatures at a reasonable level.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, after looking at that site you posted with the prices in India, it looks like the 970 can be found for cheaper. In that case you should go with the 970

Edited May 9, 2015 by Cloudee

[DS12]

How much cheaper is an r9 290 in your country? If it's significantly cheaper then you might want to consider it, it's got performance almost as good as the 970, and at least here it's noticeably less expensive. Just keep in mind, it consumes more power and runs hotter, but a decent aftermarket model will keep the temperatures at a reasonable level.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, after looking at that site you posted with the prices in India, it looks like the 970 can be found for cheaper. In that case you should go with the 970

Yeah. People in this forum already told me that amd's consume more power and run hotter and advised me to go for intel and nvidia!

Its just that I realised that I am way out of budget for those. So, thought I will wait for prices to drop...

[DS12]

Hey guys, what if I get the 4440 or 4590 instead of the 4690, will there be any performance issue or are they the same?

Also, how are intel motherboards?

[Andreaz1]

We went through this on the last page

 

 

Yes, it's a faster CPU, but not substantially.

 

Go for i5-4670k/4690k only if you're going to overclock the CPU (which - mind you - would require an expensive motherboard, ans also a proper cooler on top of that). If you don't want to overclock - stick with the i5-4460 or i5-4590, they're a better bang for the buck.

The GPU makes far more difference in gaming. A 4460 and GTX 970 will be much faster than a 4670 and R9 270X.

No you won't, but you'll waste money on a CPU you don't need. "K"-series CPUs are only worth buying for overclocking.

If you still insist on a better CPU than i5-4460/4590 and you don't plan to overclock, get the i5-4690 (without "K").

 

 

Save some money on the mobo and CPU by going 4460 and non-enthusiast, spend it on a GTX970.

But the benchmarks of 4670k are better than that of 4460.

 

Benchmark wise, yes, 4670k is better than 4460.

Gaming wise, you won't notice much difference between the two.

 

Yes it will, but so will i5-4460 to be honest. The performance difference isn't big enough for the i5-4670/46790 to dramatically outlast the i5-4460.

 

Personally, I would go for something in between - i5-4590 seems like the optimal choice.

You can't just ask what an Intel motherboard is like, you need to be a lot more specific. There are hundreds of them, each with the own specifications and features.

[DS12]

The motherboard model which I have been looking:

 

intel dh87mc