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Difference between 4 and 5 stars


Yorpie
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Back when I played this game on ps3, I noticed 4 and 5 stars are pretty much the same.

Now that the game is out on PC modders have started uncovering files, one includes the spawns for police (meaning we will be able to add military again for the fans)

 

http://pastebin.com/ZwMDKnve

 

What bothers me is that the amount of police is exactly the same at 5 stars compared to 4 stars, except there being one more police boat at 5 stars.

I think this is pretty stupid, especially since the wanted level has already been lowered from the usual 6 stars to 5 stars. In GTA IV, 5 and 6 stars were pretty much the same but at least there was a clear difference between 4 and 5. There are a lot of police vehicles that are not used in the wanted level system, I'm thinking of the police buffalo, police bike, park ranger SUV, FIB buffalo, unmarked cruiser, annihilator helicopter. Futhermore, the Police Riot is only used in roadblocks, while it would make a good transport for NOOSE.

 

I really hope the next GTA will remain at 5 stars or return to 6, as long as they don't lower it with another star.

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Thank you for reminding me about another feature of the HD games that I don`t like. I`ve been trying to move on with my life by not thinking about it but now I`m enraged again. Why they got rid of the army and the FBI, who cares why they should put them back in and give us the 6 star system back!

 

 

really hope the next GTA will remain at 5 stars or return to 6, as long as they don't lower it with another star.

Why would you even THINK that? Don`t give them any ideas, I`m sure they would! Even though I don`t understand it it would be consistent with how they`re removing and cutting-down everything else.

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Nah, I definitely think there is a difference between 4 and 5 stars. Same vehicles, but the spawn rate seems faster on 5.

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I'm not sure but I think at 5 star NOOSE eventually start throwing tear gas cannisters, though I've seen it rarely during my times playing, and they usually end up throwing them near their own men.

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No, back in IV the 6 star was 2x heavier than 5 star, in V is the same thing, 5 star is 2x heavier than 4 star. so no, there not the same, they have a higher level.

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I don't generally like mods, but I would like a mod to add a 6th star, that causes police to start rolling up in Buzzard choppers, tanks, and barracks trucks.

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I was dissappointed when I've discovered that there are no military jets at 5th star nor any actual military involvment. They could be using trucks filled with soldiers (6-8) or with mounted mg, tanks, military choppers, frag grenades.

 

Yes, there are no major difference between 4th and 5th wanted level, they are as aggresive on road, spawn in same numbers, helicopters behaviour is identical.

 

And someone should fix their ridiculous accuracy, even with mouse it is impossible to land same shots they do or have same reaction level.

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I always thought the 6th star was coming back. Only because when you enter the raise wanted level cheat when you have 5 stars it says current max wanted level achieved, something like that, instead of max wanted level achieved. It's possible I was only being hopeful rather than realistic, realistic being the realisation that hope is pointless! Pessimism :p

 

I'd love a sixth star though. The army or something worse. Lasting long against them is a good challenge and if you try against the police a lot you get used to it and can last a lot longer. You will die eventually but not as fasts a before. It's tempting to flush the game down a toilet everytime you die but rewarding if you start to beat them. You gain the right to be smug by beating them.

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Thank you for reminding me about another feature of the HD games that I don`t like. I`ve been trying to move on with my life by not thinking about it but now I`m enraged again. Why they got rid of the army and the FBI, who cares why they should put them back in and give us the 6 star system back!

 

 

really hope the next GTA will remain at 5 stars or return to 6, as long as they don't lower it with another star.

Why would you even THINK that? Don`t give them any ideas, I`m sure they would! Even though I don`t understand it it would be consistent with how they`re removing and cutting-down everything else.

 

Them cutting away the army, was something indeed but now they even removed the FIB. Whats next? No more NOOSE, just some country cops throwing corncobs at you?

 

And why I would THINK that? Because, 5 and 6 stars in IV was similar so they got rid of the 6th star. Now 4 and 5 stars is similar and we both know Rockstar logic aint really logical. The earliest games only had 4 wanted levels.

 

Oh well, GTA Five has five stars, perhaps GTA Six will have six stars.

 

Nah, I definitely think there is a difference between 4 and 5 stars. Same vehicles, but the spawn rate seems faster on 5.

 

Yeah, I think you got a point. And it also takes longer to get rid of 5 stars.

 

I'm not sure but I think at 5 star NOOSE eventually start throwing tear gas cannisters, though I've seen it rarely during my times playing, and they usually end up throwing them near their own men.

 

I've had NOOSE throwing canisters at me quite a lot, they also do it at 4 stars. They indeed tend to throw them at their own guys, I actually can't remember a time when they managed to throw one where they are supposed to throw it.

 

No, back in IV the 6 star was 2x heavier than 5 star, in V is the same thing, 5 star is 2x heavier than 4 star. so no, there not the same, they have a higher level.

 

Yes, 6 stars was more difficult, the search radar was a LOT bigger. But I didn't notice the cops themselves becoming more difficult, I do think in IV there were some more cops though at 6 stars then at 5 stars, I just didn't notice any difference in the cop spawns themselves.

 

I don't generally like mods, but I would like a mod to add a 6th star, that causes police to start rolling up in Buzzard choppers, tanks, and barracks trucks.

 

That would be the military, I don't think the police would show up in tanks :p But yes, that would be great and I think it is possible, someone managed to make a 7 star mod for the III era games. But first of all I would like to have the FIB back in action.

 

I was dissappointed when I've discovered that there are no military jets at 5th star nor any actual military involvment. They could be using trucks filled with soldiers (6-8) or with mounted mg, tanks, military choppers, frag grenades.

 

Yes, there are no major difference between 4th and 5th wanted level, they are as aggresive on road, spawn in same numbers, helicopters behaviour is identical.

 

And someone should fix their ridiculous accuracy, even with mouse it is impossible to land same shots they do or have same reaction level.

 

I have less difficulty with mouse then with controller though, survived about 10 minutes on 5 stars with Trevor in the saw mill and managed to get away from them and I didn't even have to blind fire a lot, unless there were a couple of NOOSE guys shooting at me at a time.

 

And yes like you said, 4 and 5 stars is very similar. I think the NOOSE should use the Annihilator and the Police Riot at 4 stars and then at 5 stars the FIB show up in FIB Buffalo's, Grangers and Froggers.

 

I always thought the 6th star was coming back. Only because when you enter the raise wanted level cheat when you have 5 stars it says current max wanted level achieved, something like that, instead of max wanted level achieved. It's possible I was only being hopeful rather than realistic, realistic being the realisation that hope is pointless! Pessimism :p

 

I'd love a sixth star though. The army or something worse. Lasting long against them is a good challenge and if you try against the police a lot you get used to it and can last a lot longer. You will die eventually but not as fasts a before. It's tempting to flush the game down a toilet everytime you die but rewarding if you start to beat them. You gain the right to be smug by beating them.

 

A man can dream, right ;)

 

Yes, a 6th star would be great, there is enough military equipement to make a good 6th wanted level. Once OpenIV adds editing support I'll add FIB to the fifth star. Like I said in the reply above, Police Riot and Annihilator at 4 stars for NOOSE and then FIB Buffalo, Granger and frogers at 5 stars :)

 

It will take a good scripter to make a 6th star mod though but I really think its possible, since someone managed to make a 7th star mod for all three III era games on PC.

 

We'll see what the future brings ;)

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(Gta 4) 5-6 police AI system : meh driver's , 60% shooting accuracy , neutral aggressiveness , have a lot of armor , consist of LCPD tactical force , NOOSE cruisers , FIB team , and annihilator gunships , roadblocks are always set in front of a bridge entrance .

 

 

(GTA 5) 4-5 police AI system : good fast driver's , 100% shooting accuracy , over-aggressive, have weak health and armor , consist of mainly noose teams hanging on the sides of police SUV , 3 helicopters at once , one is landing and the other one having SWAT teams jumping down with ropes , roadblocks sometimes having spikes on the road , Dynamic Scores are played when engaging the police starting with 3 stars .

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Anyone want to explain to me why noose doesn't use the riot van as there transport vehicle and they use a modified granger instead?? Considering it even has N.O.O.S.E decals on it?

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(Gta 4) 5-6 police AI system : meh driver's , 60% shooting accuracy , neutral aggressiveness , have a lot of armor , consist of LCPD tactical force , NOOSE cruisers , FIB team , and annihilator gunships , roadblocks are always set in front of a bridge entrance .

 

 

(GTA 5) 4-5 police AI system : good fast driver's , 100% shooting accuracy , over-aggressive, have weak health and armor , consist of mainly noose teams hanging on the sides of police SUV , 3 helicopters at once , one is landing and the other one having SWAT teams jumping down with ropes , roadblocks sometimes having spikes on the road , Dynamic Scores are played when engaging the police starting with 3 stars .

 

Don't forget about the snipers in GTA IV, that was something cool that was left out in GTA V

 

Anyone want to explain to me why noose doesn't use the riot van as there transport vehicle and they use a modified granger instead?? Considering it even has N.O.O.S.E decals on it?

 

Because Rockstar.

The only time you can see it is in 4 stars and above in roadblocks, where there will be regular LSPD officer standing next to it.

 

It would have been much better to let the N.O.O.S.E. use the police riot van and have the FIB tac teams use the FIB Grangers.

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No , the FIB should have stayed with the FIB Buffalo from the gta 4 series , it was much more fitting IMO.

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(Gta 4) 5-6 police AI system : meh driver's , 60% shooting accuracy , neutral aggressiveness , have a lot of armor , consist of LCPD tactical force , NOOSE cruisers , FIB team , and annihilator gunships , roadblocks are always set in front of a bridge entrance .

 

 

(GTA 5) 4-5 police AI system : good fast driver's , 100% shooting accuracy , over-aggressive, have weak health and armor , consist of mainly noose teams hanging on the sides of police SUV , 3 helicopters at once , one is landing and the other one having SWAT teams jumping down with ropes , roadblocks sometimes having spikes on the road , Dynamic Scores are played when engaging the police starting with 3 stars .

 

Don't forget about the snipers in GTA IV, that was something cool that was left out in GTA V

 

Anyone want to explain to me why noose doesn't use the riot van as there transport vehicle and they use a modified granger instead?? Considering it even has N.O.O.S.E decals on it?

 

Because Rockstar.

The only time you can see it is in 4 stars and above in roadblocks, where there will be regular LSPD officer standing next to it.

 

It would have been much better to let the N.O.O.S.E. use the police riot van and have the FIB tac teams use the FIB Grangers.

 

Most of the vehicles don't even make sense, LSPD always spawn with the Police Interceptor, they don't use the Crown vic and Buffalo, then there's the FIB, they dont use the Buffalo version, always the Granger, and Noose using the Granger as well instead of the riot. Yeah Cockstar Lames.

 

BUT WAIT!! Don't forget the 6 star removal, hilarious.

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No , the FIB should have stayed with the FIB Buffalo from the gta 4 series , it was much more fitting IMO.

 

Yes, the regular agents should.

These guys should use the FIB Buffalo:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150316213456/gtawiki/images/thumb/e/e7/HumaneRaidKeyCodes-GTAO.jpg/640px-HumaneRaidKeyCodes-GTAO.jpg

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150331181109/gtawiki/images/thumb/d/db/FIBagents.jpg/639px-FIBagents.jpg

 

What I meant was that the tactical FIB men should use the FIB Granger, I mean these guys:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131031121620/gtawiki/images/d/d8/The_fib_swat_team.jpg

 

Next pic shows slight spoiler of the mission 'The Wrap Up'.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131031122609/gtawiki/images/1/1a/Fib_swat_team_.jpg

 

 

 

(Gta 4) 5-6 police AI system : meh driver's , 60% shooting accuracy , neutral aggressiveness , have a lot of armor , consist of LCPD tactical force , NOOSE cruisers , FIB team , and annihilator gunships , roadblocks are always set in front of a bridge entrance .

 

 

(GTA 5) 4-5 police AI system : good fast driver's , 100% shooting accuracy , over-aggressive, have weak health and armor , consist of mainly noose teams hanging on the sides of police SUV , 3 helicopters at once , one is landing and the other one having SWAT teams jumping down with ropes , roadblocks sometimes having spikes on the road , Dynamic Scores are played when engaging the police starting with 3 stars .

 

Don't forget about the snipers in GTA IV, that was something cool that was left out in GTA V

 

Anyone want to explain to me why noose doesn't use the riot van as there transport vehicle and they use a modified granger instead?? Considering it even has N.O.O.S.E decals on it?

 

Because Rockstar.

The only time you can see it is in 4 stars and above in roadblocks, where there will be regular LSPD officer standing next to it.

 

It would have been much better to let the N.O.O.S.E. use the police riot van and have the FIB tac teams use the FIB Grangers.

 

Most of the vehicles don't even make sense, LSPD always spawn with the Police Interceptor, they don't use the Crown vic and Buffalo, then there's the FIB, they dont use the Buffalo version, always the Granger, and Noose using the Granger as well instead of the riot. Yeah Cockstar Lames.

 

BUT WAIT!! Don't forget the 6 star removal, hilarious.

 

 

I agree, I think the Police Interceptor should be the rarest of the three. The police cruiser should be the most common police car and the police buffalo should be pretty common as well.

 

And yes 6 star removal was pretty stupid to.

 

Once we get to edit the files, I'll add all law enforcement vehicles in the wanted level for sure. I think I would also add the unmarked cruiser with some IAA agents in it or something.

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Anyone want to explain to me why noose doesn't use the riot van as there transport vehicle and they use a modified granger instead?? Considering it even has N.O.O.S.E decals on it?

 

Because Rockstar.

The only time you can see it is in 4 stars and above in roadblocks, where there will be regular LSPD officer standing next to it.

 

It would have been much better to let the N.O.O.S.E. use the police riot van and have the FIB tac teams use the FIB Grangers.

 

Most of the vehicles don't even make sense, LSPD always spawn with the Police Interceptor, they don't use the Crown vic and Buffalo, then there's the FIB, they dont use the Buffalo version, always the Granger, and Noose using the Granger as well instead of the riot. Yeah Cockstar Lames.

 

BUT WAIT!! Don't forget the 6 star removal, hilarious.

 

 

I agree, I think the Police Interceptor should be the rarest of the three. The police cruiser should be the most common police car and the police buffalo should be pretty common as well.

 

And yes 6 star removal was pretty stupid to.

 

Once we get to edit the files, I'll add all law enforcement vehicles in the wanted level for sure. I think I would also add the unmarked cruiser with some IAA agents in it or something.

 

Furthermore, why shoehorn in the FIB name into the Unmarked Bravafo Buffalo, and Declasse Granger.

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When you guys mention the police cruiser , are you refering to the Vapid Stainer ?

 

Yes, the vapid stanier, the crown vic look a like.

 

 

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GTA 3 five star army...those were the days.....

6. Yes those were the days.

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GTA 3 five star army...those were the days.....

6. Yes those were the days.

 

 

I think 1-4 stars is okay, I would change the vehicles though like I mentioned like 5 times before.

 

But 5 stars should defenitly have FIB in it. Together with police and NOOSE that is.

 

Having the army return at 6 stars would be cool, yes. I do think it should take a lot of effort to get from 5 to 6 stars though, like surviving for 10 minutes having killed about a hundred cops along the way.

The army should use the Crusader as main transport and then the Barracks truck more for in roadblocks, though one every now and then showing up would be nice. And offcoarse some Rhino's, but not to much. It would be awesome if they would [spoiler]fly them in with Cargobobs like they did in the Paleto Score[/spoiler] They could also add the new military attack chopper from the heist update as well as some fighter jets. Oh the possibilities.

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I think 1-4 stars is okay

This is the only thing that contradicts with the rest of your post, but other than this I agree.

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I think 1-4 stars is okay

This is the only thing that contradicts with the rest of your post, but other than this I agree.

 

 

Well, I would change the vehicles like I said, but what I meant was having police at 1-3 stars and then having NOOSE at 4 stars.

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Once we get to edit the files, I would like it like this:

 

LSPD

1 Star

Police Interceptor x1

 

2 Stars

Police Cruiser x3

 

Police Cruiser Roadblock x1

 

Predator x1

 

3 Stars

Police Cruiser x4

Police Buffalo x1

 

Police Cruiser/Police Transporter Roadblock x1

 

Police Maverick x1

 

Predator x2

 

4 Stars

Police Cruiser x3

Police Buffalo x3

Police Riot x1

 

Police Buffalo/Police Transporter/Police Riot Roadblock x2

 

Police Maverick x1

Annihilator x1

 

Predator x3

 

5 Stars

Unmarked Cruiser x2

Police Riot x2

FIB Buffalo x2

FIB Granger x2

 

Police Riot/FIB Buffalo/FIB Granger Roadblock x2

 

Annihilator x1

Buzzard x1

FIB Frogger x1

 

Dinghy x4

LSSD

1 Star

Police Bike x2

 

2 Stars

Sherrif Cruiser x3

 

Sherrif Cruiser Roadblock x1

 

Predator x1

 

3 Stars

Sherrif Cruiser x4

Sherrif SUV x1

 

Sherrif Cruiser/Park Ranger Roadblock x1

 

Police Maverick x1

 

Predator x2

 

4 Stars

Sherrif Cruiser x3

Sherrif SUV x3

Police Riot x1

 

Sherrif SUV/Park Ranger/Police Riot x2

 

Police Maverick x1

Annihilator x1

 

Predator x3

 

5 Stars

Unmarked Cruiser x2

Police Riot x2

FIB Buffalo x2

FIB Granger x2

 

Police Riot/FIB Buffalo/FIB Granger Roadblock x2

 

Annihilator x1

Buzzard x1

FIB Frogger x1

 

Dinghy x4

 

6 Stars

Crusader x6

Barracks x2

Rhino x2

 

Barracks Roadblock x3

 

Savage x1

Armed Buzzard x1

Valkyrie x1

Cargobob x1 (dropping of Rhino's, how cool would that be ;) )

 

Hydra x1

Lazer x1

Titan x1 (dropping soldiers with parachutes, imagine that :D )

 

Dinghy x5

 

Some notes:

I've looked up some info and in some places park rangers pretty much have the same role as police officers and in this game they also act the same as cops so I think its okay to include them in the wanted level.

 

I'm still studying the wanted level file, but it seems its possible to place multiple vehicles in the same tag. So for example, at 1 star in LS I would be able to make the game choose between the police cruiser or police interceptor, instead of always having one of the two show up. In that case, I really think the spawn chance for cruiser and interceptor should be 50/50 at 1 star, the same goes for the sherrif cruiser and cop bikes at 1 star in the county.

So, what do you guys think?

 

Furthermore:

Police Interceptor and police cruiser should carry regular LSPD cops armed with pistols

Police buffalo's have LSPD officers with bulletproof vests in them armed with combat pistols and pump shotguns

Sherrif Cruiser has sherrif deputies in them armed with pistols
Sherrif SUV has sherrif deputies with bulletproof vests in them armed with combat pistols and pump shotguns

Police transporter in roadblock has LSPD officers near them and park ranger SUVS speaks for itself ;)

 

Police Riot carries NOOSE

FIB Buffalo carries FIB agents (black suits)

FIB Granger carries tactical FIB agents

Unmarked cruisers carry FIB agents (the ones with bulletproof vests)

 

Police maverick carries LSPD/LSSD guys with body armor and marksman rifles or something like that.
At 4 stars it can drop of NOOSE with robes, since I'm not sure if the annihilator can do that.
The annihilator should carry NOOSE gunners instead.
Buzzard should carry tactical FIB gunners

FIB froggers should be used to robe in FIB tactical teams.

The military vehicles speak for themselves as well.

 

I really hope someone will make a 6 star script, though I'm sure something like this might get attention from scripters.

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lastmanonearth

^Very good, only don`t stop there! Add a 6th star with the full army and airforce deployment.

 

 

 

I think 1-4 stars is okay

This is the only thing that contradicts with the rest of your post, but other than this I agree.

 

 

Well, I would change the vehicles like I said, but what I meant was having police at 1-3 stars and then having NOOSE at 4 stars.

 

I misunderstood, I thought you were saying that it`s OK to have a maximum of 4 stars.

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^Very good, only don`t stop there! Add a 6th star with the full army and airforce deployment.

 

 

 

I think 1-4 stars is okay

This is the only thing that contradicts with the rest of your post, but other than this I agree.

 

 

Well, I would change the vehicles like I said, but what I meant was having police at 1-3 stars and then having NOOSE at 4 stars.

 

I misunderstood, I thought you were saying that it`s OK to have a maximum of 4 stars.

In the first GTA game, that was the maximum. Granted they were bobbing police heads though.

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In the first GTA game, that was the maximum. Granted they were bobbing police heads though.

 

I knew that. I honestly don`t feel that wanting more than what we got 18 years ago in GTA 1 is asking too much.

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^Very good, only don`t stop there! Add a 6th star with the full army and airforce deployment.

 

 

 

I think 1-4 stars is okay

This is the only thing that contradicts with the rest of your post, but other than this I agree.

 

 

Well, I would change the vehicles like I said, but what I meant was having police at 1-3 stars and then having NOOSE at 4 stars.

 

I misunderstood, I thought you were saying that it`s OK to have a maximum of 4 stars.

 

I edtied that post for ya, I pretty much just aded all military vehicles.

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^Very good, only don`t stop there! Add a 6th star with the full army and airforce deployment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think 1-4 stars is okay

This is the only thing that contradicts with the rest of your post, but other than this I agree.

 

Well, I would change the vehicles like I said, but what I meant was having police at 1-3 stars and then having NOOSE at 4 stars.

 

I misunderstood, I thought you were saying that it`s OK to have a maximum of 4 stars.

I edtied that post for ya, I pretty much just aded all military vehicles.

Would you rathar have the Annihilator attack you with miniguns , or homing missiles , or sniper dudes , or all of them at once ?
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