GTX 970 lawsuit - will I receive a settlement

[MPowell]

If the lawsuit is awarded to the consumers will I get compensation if I purchased a GTX 970 right now? As of now the card is still being advertised as 4GB, unethically speaking, I should be compensated, no? because afterall "I did not read anything about this before I purchased the card" Or does the lawsuit state only a certain date when cards were purchased?

[Ewok626]

If there is any settlement it will probably be something like a few dollars a few years from now.

[Streifenkarl]

The card has 4 GB vram, so there is no problem advertising it as a 4GB card.

[CrisFormed]

Any class action is not really worth trying to buy into. It relieves less than you lose. Get your mind right. Doubt less. Pick a card you like, with good reviews, and buy for what else you have, especially if your next upgrade includes a mobo with a different socket, not just a cpu.

 

wtf bro.

Edited April 27, 2015 by CrisFormed

[ab30494]

the 970 does have 4gb of ram, only that 500 mb is not as fast.

 

I have a 970 and have had 0 issues from it.

[TheMcSame]

As of now the card is still being advertised as 4GB,

Doesn't matter how fast the VRAM is, it still has 4GB of VRAM. If that's what the lawsuit is about then it'll fall flat on its face.

 

Dual GPU cars are marketed in the exact same way, they're advertised by physical VRAM and not the actual amount of VRAM they can use, though in this case the VRAM on the 970 can be used.

[McDodge34]

Just curious here, I've heard about that story about the GTX 970, but I'm soon going to have a Gigabyte GTX 770 Windforce OC 4GB edition (RMA from a friend that didn't want to wait so he just got a new one) does it also have only 3.5GB of real VRAM and a sh*tty 500MB of it to make it 4GB.

[LordRaijin]

mmmmm... I have NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 on my rig now. What's with this lawsuit that I'm hearing? How do I get on the list?

[MWC]

i doubt if u purchased it now u would get any compensation, i have no idea about this specific lawsuit but usually when stuff like this happens u would only get compensation if u could provide proof (receipt) that u purchased it before a certain date, also it wouldnt be 100% the value of the card but rather a settled amount

[Coolstream]

This is pathetic, the GTX970 has 4GB VRAM no matter how you spin it, you were not lied to. No, you will not win a lawsuit. No, you will not get a settlement.

 

 

Just curious here, I've heard about that story about the GTX 970, but I'm soon going to have a Gigabyte GTX 770 Windforce OC 4GB edition (RMA from a friend that didn't want to wait so he just got a new one) does it also have only 3.5GB of real VRAM and a sh*tty 500MB of it to make it 4GB.

 

No

[K20]

outside the box: your suing nvidia over 500MB

 

depends how you look at it. 3.5 rounded to the nearest whole digit is 4 [rules is not to round down].

 

strong case it is not young skywalker.

[DEERxBanshee]

I have a msi gtx 970. Works perfectly fine on GTA V...there was some stutter (which was attributed to shadows and grass being on very high or ultra which has been documented before as being a problem) but it is still a beast of a card.

[DEERxBanshee]

no..that music...

[mandeep148]

dont listen those kids who dont know anything about gtx 970, they would never try to understand..

GTX 970 is BEAST CARD WITH A POWER SAVING FEATURE.

it even kills r9 290x which is 350watt animal, and gtx 970 only 145w without overclocking,

nvidia invented new memory architech, which never been invented anyone,

What is the feature? listen, i know people question why they made 2 partitions,
so here we go,

what a normal card or normal 4gb card do, if game needs it will run on one memory chip even game needs 2 gb it will run on only 1 memory chip, he cant disable all part to save energy and to become less heat,
and what gtx 970 do is, if game needs 3gb it will use 3gb part of gtx 970 as 100%, it will disable/turn off another 3gb part, untill game needs more memory it will open the door to 3.5gb, and when it will consume as 100% it will open the door for another 0.5,
this thing only invented by nvidia,

even person with 350watt psu can play games like beast with this card,

dont you beleive me?

here are my video, consuming more than 3.5gb

and gta 5 for you

what illitrate people do is, they run games which needs more than 6gb card at 1080p, people things 4gb is enough and they even try to run that games at 4k they complain that game is stuttering on this card,
listen 12gb card is even not good for 4k dude..

[r0llinlacs]

dont listen those kids who dont know anything about gtx 970, they would never try to understand..

 

GTX 970 is BEAST CARD WITH A POWER SAVING FEATURE.

 

it even kills r9 290x which is 350watt animal, and gtx 970 only 145w without overclocking,

 

nvidia invented new memory architech, which never been invented anyone,

 

What is the feature? listen, i know people question why they made 2 partitions,

so here we go,

 

what a normal card or normal 4gb card do, if game needs it will run on one memory chip even game needs 2 gb it will run on only 1 memory chip, he cant disable all part to save energy and to become less heat,

and what gtx 970 do is, if game needs 3gb it will use 3gb part of gtx 970 as 100%, it will disable/turn off another 3gb part, untill game needs more memory it will open the door to 3.5gb, and when it will consume as 100% it will open the door for another 0.5,

this thing only invented by nvidia,

 

even person with 350watt psu can play games like beast with this card,

 

dont you beleive me?

 

here are my video, consuming more than 3.5gb

 

 

 

and gta 5 for you

 

 

 

 

what illitrate people do is, they run games which needs more than 6gb card at 1080p, people things 4gb is enough and they even try to run that games at 4k they complain that game is stuttering on this card,

listen 12gb card is even not good for 4k dude..

 

The 970 doesn't even come close to the 290x.... not sure where you got your information from but the 290x is on par with and even beats the 980 in some benchmarks, the 970 is like a 290 without the X.

[YG.]

outside the box: your suing nvidia over 500MB

 

depends how you look at it. 3.5 rounded to the nearest whole digit is 4 [rules is not to round down].

 

strong case it is not young skywalker.

 

Doesn't matter if it's 1 MB or 1000 MB.

[TheMcSame]

Doesn't matter if it's 1 MB or 1000 MB.

It matters if the card doesn't come with it, in this case the card comes with 4GB of VRAM.

[r0llinlacs]

The lawsuit will be won because they didn't promise/advertise "4gb VRAM", they promise/advertise "4gb GDDR5 VRAM" which everyone knows isn't true.

Edited April 27, 2015 by r0llinlacs

[mandeep148]

 

dont listen those kids who dont know anything about gtx 970, they would never try to understand..

 

GTX 970 is BEAST CARD WITH A POWER SAVING FEATURE.

 

it even kills r9 290x which is 350watt animal, and gtx 970 only 145w without overclocking,

 

nvidia invented new memory architech, which never been invented anyone,

 

What is the feature? listen, i know people question why they made 2 partitions,

so here we go,

 

what a normal card or normal 4gb card do, if game needs it will run on one memory chip even game needs 2 gb it will run on only 1 memory chip, he cant disable all part to save energy and to become less heat,

and what gtx 970 do is, if game needs 3gb it will use 3gb part of gtx 970 as 100%, it will disable/turn off another 3gb part, untill game needs more memory it will open the door to 3.5gb, and when it will consume as 100% it will open the door for another 0.5,

this thing only invented by nvidia,

 

even person with 350watt psu can play games like beast with this card,

 

dont you beleive me?

 

here are my video, consuming more than 3.5gb

 

 

 

and gta 5 for you

 

 

 

 

what illitrate people do is, they run games which needs more than 6gb card at 1080p, people things 4gb is enough and they even try to run that games at 4k they complain that game is stuttering on this card,

listen 12gb card is even not good for 4k dude..

 

The 970 doesn't even come close to the 290x.... not sure where you got your information from but the 290x is on par with and even beats the 980 in some benchmarks, the 970 is like a 290 without the X.

 

i guess you dont know about youtube, go and search,

 

see this video by digitalfoundry one of the most popular youtuber who compare gpus, and a great website

i also even owned r9 290x its just hot stone and nothing in front of gtx 970

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2015 by mandeep148

[TheMcSame]

The lawsuit will be won because they didn't promise/advertise "4gb VRAM", they promise/advertise "4gb GDDR5 VRAM" which everyone knows isn't true.

Wrong again...

(GTX 970 PCB, high res...ish)

 

 

 

 

 

RAM chips: http://www.component.company/en/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1011198

Edited April 27, 2015 by TheMcSame

[r0llinlacs]

 

 

dont listen those kids who dont know anything about gtx 970, they would never try to understand..

 

GTX 970 is BEAST CARD WITH A POWER SAVING FEATURE.

 

it even kills r9 290x which is 350watt animal, and gtx 970 only 145w without overclocking,

 

nvidia invented new memory architech, which never been invented anyone,

 

What is the feature? listen, i know people question why they made 2 partitions,

so here we go,

 

what a normal card or normal 4gb card do, if game needs it will run on one memory chip even game needs 2 gb it will run on only 1 memory chip, he cant disable all part to save energy and to become less heat,

and what gtx 970 do is, if game needs 3gb it will use 3gb part of gtx 970 as 100%, it will disable/turn off another 3gb part, untill game needs more memory it will open the door to 3.5gb, and when it will consume as 100% it will open the door for another 0.5,

this thing only invented by nvidia,

 

even person with 350watt psu can play games like beast with this card,

 

dont you beleive me?

 

here are my video, consuming more than 3.5gb

 

 

 

and gta 5 for you

 

 

 

 

what illitrate people do is, they run games which needs more than 6gb card at 1080p, people things 4gb is enough and they even try to run that games at 4k they complain that game is stuttering on this card,

listen 12gb card is even not good for 4k dude..

 

The 970 doesn't even come close to the 290x.... not sure where you got your information from but the 290x is on par with and even beats the 980 in some benchmarks, the 970 is like a 290 without the X.

 

i guess you dont know about youtube, go and search,

 

see this video by digitalfoundry one of the most popular youtuber who compare gpus, and a great website

i also even owned r9 290x its just hot stone and nothing in front of gtx 970

 

 

 

 

 

 

BS, benchmarks don't lie.

 

 

 

[sivispacem]

The lawsuit will be won because they didn't promise/advertise "4gb VRAM", they promise/advertise "4gb GDDR5 VRAM" which everyone knows isn't true.

Well, it is. GDDR5 doesn't cease to be GDDR5 if it's run at slower speed, the same way my DDR3 won't become DDR2 if I downclock it to 800MHz.

[r0llinlacs]

 

The lawsuit will be won because they didn't promise/advertise "4gb VRAM", they promise/advertise "4gb GDDR5 VRAM" which everyone knows isn't true.

Well, it is. GDDR5 doesn't cease to be GDDR5 if it's run at slower speed, the same way my DDR3 won't become DDR2 if I downclock it to 800MHz.

 

 

The hardware doesn't change, of course not, but changing the speed affects performance, lower-clocked GDDR5 is not the same as full speed GDDR5 and unless they specifically stated that .5gb runs at lower speed under the specs, they're in trouble. Not that it would matter to them anyways... they'll just throw out piles of cash and everything will be forgotten.

[sivispacem]

unless they specifically stated that .5gb runs at lower speed under the specs, they're in trouble.

Er, legally, no they're not. If they'd falsely claimed that that 0.5GB ran at a speed equivalent to the rest of the RAM, they'd be in trouble, but they didn't and haven't. Which is why the notion of a lawsuit is a non-starter; even in the sue-happy US you still have to demonstrate an intentional willingness to deceive; simply arguing that it was rational to assume that the last 1/8th of the VRAM operated at the same speed as the rest isn't going to win a settlement.

[r0llinlacs]

 

unless they specifically stated that .5gb runs at lower speed under the specs, they're in trouble.

Er, legally, no they're not. If they'd falsely claimed that that 0.5GB ran at a speed equivalent to the rest of the RAM, they'd be in trouble, but they didn't and haven't. Which is why the notion of a lawsuit is a non-starter; even in the sue-happy US you still have to demonstrate an intentional willingness to deceive; simply arguing that it was rational to assume that the last 1/8th of the VRAM operated at the same speed as the rest isn't going to win a settlement.

 

 

 

It's perfectly rational to assume it all runs at full speed (I've never heard of any cards doing this, if I had purchased that card without knowing, I would have been pissed) and if they neglected to mention .5gb of the VRAM running slower, it does perfectly demonstrate intentional willingness to deceive. There's two kinds of lying, one is outright lying, and the other is leaving out specific details on purpose. Intent is proven simply by leaving out that very important little detail.

 

I just checked and none of the listings say a single word about 3.5gb full speed and .5gb slower, it's advertised as full speed GDDR5, so IMHO they are in trouble unless they have it in fine print in a manual somewhere that nobody reads.

 

"Memory

Effective Memory Clock 7010 MHz

Memory Size 4GB

Memory Interface 256-Bit

Memory Type GDDR5"

Edited April 27, 2015 by r0llinlacs

[TheMcSame]

"Memory

Effective Memory Clock 7010 MHz

Memory Size 4GB

Memory Interface 256-Bit

Memory Type GDDR5"

 

Just because it does something slower doesn't mean it's not running at 1752.5 MHz... It's probably accessed a certain way which has a significant impact on transfer speeds.

 

Now lets be honest here, this 970 thing was huge news. If you go out and buy a graphics card without doing the slightest research then you're an idiot because this is something you'd find within about 10 seconds.

 

They don't need to mention the two memory pools, they only need to mention that it has 4GB of VRAM (which it does).

It is full speed GDDR5, the way it's accessed is likely the reason for the lower transfer speed. Be thankful that it's not offloading that stuff to your system memory which is even slower in terms of transfer speed.

 

Business these days is all about lying and exploitation. It's a little thing called capitalism.

Edited April 27, 2015 by TheMcSame

[r0llinlacs]

I can't believe you're going to these lengths to defend Nvidia. Like oh it's okay because capitalism.

 

But you're right, it is capitalism and it is a free market, and they might get off scott-free but they won't have anybody to blame when people stop buying their cards.

[Reformed Squid]

If the lawsuit is awarded to the consumers will I get compensation if I purchased a GTX 970 right now?

 

Christ, people will do anything for a quick buck.

[TheMcSame]

I can't believe you're going to these lengths to defend Nvidia. Like oh it's okay because capitalism.

 

But you're right, it is capitalism and it is a free market, and they might get off scott-free but they won't have anybody to blame when people stop buying their cards.

Yeah... Sorry for using facts... I see that you don't like them. I'm not saying what Nvidia did was right but I'd be very surprised if a lawsuit is successful against them.

[sivispacem]

IMHO they are in trouble unless they have it in fine print in a manual somewhere that nobody reads.

It's in the full technical specifications on the Nvidia site AFAIK. Also, nothing you've actually highlighted there is technically untrue. The memory clock, size, interface and type are all true. The only things that could reasonably argued to have been misreprented are ROP counts and cache size, and Nvidia have already admitted that. The onus would be on anyone suing them to demonstrate a) that a misrepresentation was willing and intentional and b) there was some material loss caused by it. Good luck proving either of those satisfactorily.