lastmanonearth Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I was reading a thread about why the Online is as dull as a bag of rocks and I was gonna mention how there should be gang wars, and then it hit me that gang wars would only work in the single player because each player would have different progress in terms of which territories they control. That`s gotta be the reason why the territory wars weren`t in V, even though they were universally liked in SA. It got me to think, what other features do you think were dropped because having them in SP would interfere with the way the Online works? Obviously gambling as well since they don`t want you to multiply your Online money, that`s what the shark card scams are for. That`s just my two cents. The reason other features from SA aren`t there like eating/gyms/dancing etc. etc. Is just because they ran out of time/money/resources and the Online ate up too much memory, but the territory wars and gambling were surely left out because they couldn`t work in tandem with the Online. Basically they bent over backwards for the Online. I can imagine the Housers talking back in 2009: "You know, online gaming is the way of the future! Let`s call the next game GTA Online. - Nah, our data shows that the title GTA V would sell better. - Fine, GTA... "V" then! *wink wink*" Kafonix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt of Rivia Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Animals immediately discredits your theory. Also, gang wars were far from universally liked. Then there's the stock market. Jumbo jet would be fun to fly in Online. Having any semblance of a story whatsoever would probably also be a cool thing. Hell, having a voice at all, even a single line, would be a welcome change. Plus probably a ton more SP has that Online doesn't, but DAE Online, right guys!? Can't forget about Online having less interiors than SP as well. Edited April 21, 2015 by TheMasterfocker fac316 and Heists 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanonearth Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Animals immediately discredits your theory. I was trying to figure out what you could possibly mean but I still don`t have a clue. Speak English. theGTAking101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt of Rivia Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) It's pretty straightforward. Also edits. AKA your argument that stuff isn't in SP because it doesn't/wouldn't work Online is stupid. Besides, there's more stuff that's closer to gang/drug wars in Online than there is in SP anyway. Edited April 21, 2015 by TheMasterfocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1N0D3UTSCHT3K Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 of course some SP content was not made because MP content was instead made but MP is also highly successful and very popular, so there's a fine balance... on one hand, GTA V doesn't have as good free roam content as GTA SA, likely because of GTAO... but on other hand, GTAO is much more popular than GTA SA... more people have played GTAO than GTA SA, and I would wager the average hours per person for GTAO is also higher... some people play GTAO exponentially more than we could ever play GTA SA (or most any SP game) so, sure, it sucks for people that only like SP but it could be a good trade-off for people that like and prefer to have both SP and MP the good thing is, not that Rockstar has a GTAO framework, less SP content likely has to be scrapped in the future... adding GTA VI's map to GTAO, for example, will be much easier than creating GTAO from the ground up, so in theory that should mean more resources/ for GTA VI's SP content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanonearth Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) ^^Your post is just a jumble of nonsensical gibberish that has very little to do with addressing my legitimate hypotheses. the good thing is, not that Rockstar has a GTAO framework, less SP content likely has to be scrapped in the future... adding GTA VI's map to GTAO, for example, will be much easier than creating GTAO from the ground up, so in theory that should mean more resources/ for GTA VI's SP content Yes but like I said territory wars and gambling wouldn`t work since they conflict with the MP`s design. Other stuff might be added like demolition derbies but not those two things. Edited April 21, 2015 by lastmanonearth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt of Rivia Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I'm listing things that go against your "hypothesis" (LOL) It's dumb. That's all there is to it. EDIT: Putting this away right now: There's plenty of things in SP right now that's not in Online. That immediately discredits your "hypothesis". For your theory to even make sense, everything in SP would have to work in/with Online. and then it hit me that gang wars would only work in the single player because each player would have different progress in terms of which territories they control. That`s gotta be the reason why the territory wars weren`t in V Why would they not just put it in SP only? There's plenty of things in SP that's not in Online. The only logical way your words could work is if it was 1:1. Which it's not. So that's the end of that. But to address your 2nd point: Obviously gambling as well since they don`t want you to multiply your Online money Hey, buddy...The Stock Market is gambling. Gambling isn't exclusively casinos and roulette tables. And guess what? It's also SP only. Edited April 21, 2015 by TheMasterfocker Heists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haha365 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I would like to think that they didn't remove this content for Online, but I do wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1N0D3UTSCHT3K Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 lots of SP stuff doesn't work with MP tho and they still added it and there's lots of ways they could make it work with MP... if they actually wanted to. lots of MMOs have solutions for these issues that would fit with GTAO it's just a question if Rockstar has the resources and interest in trying to do it Heists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodSgtScooter Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I didn't really like the gnag wars in SA. Also, your argument is as thin as wet paper. Animals, hunting, stocks, special ability, the list goes on. Also, shark cards aren't a "scam", you get what you pay for. Fake money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I do feel they definitely scrapped or postponed and delayed for long time deliberately to DLC a lot of "good content" in favor of ONLINE. Its the first SP title of the series that comes to a complete stop after you're done with everything that the game has to offer. Not a single content/activity that allows the player to continue with more challenging, random missions like performing a vigilante task, available unlimited - anywhere, and any time. The feeling 'V SP' has evoked from me every time after finishing the game was dissatisfaction, boredom, and that constant - "maybe I should simply play GTA SA again for all the single-player goodness" Single-player in V is just painfully sh*t, with nothing that stands out. Not even PC version did much to improve the disappointments with the SP. Waste of 5 years, imo! Doesn't give me much hope for the series. Sonny_Black, redpoint, lastmanonearth and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haha365 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I do feel they definitely scrapped or postponed and delayed for long time deliberately to DLC a lot of "good content" in favor of ONLINE. Its the first SP title of the series that comes to a complete stop after you're done with everything that the game has to offer. Not a single content/activity that allows the player to continue with more challenging, random missions like performing a vigilante task, available unlimited - anywhere, and any time. The feeling 'V SP' has evoked from me every time after finishing the game was dissatisfaction, boredom, and that constant - "maybe I should simply play GTA SA again for all the single-player goodness" Single-player in V is just painfully sh*t, with nothing that stands out. Not even PC version did much to improve the disappointments with the SP. Waste of 5 years, imo! Doesn't give me much hope for the series. I must admit, I'm a bit skeptical myself. I never thought that I would ever have to worry about a GTA game not being fun but I am definitely thinking about it at this point. lastmanonearth and Sonny_Black 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I feel that the story may have been hampered by Online. TheOneLibertonian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Also, gang wars were far from universally liked. Gang wars in San Andreas: The worst bit of San Andreas. Gang wars in TBOGT: The worst bit of TBOGT. I'm glad they removed that drek. Edited April 21, 2015 by Fuzzknuckles Signatures are dumb anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanonearth Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Also, gang wars were far from universally liked. Gang wars in San Andreas: The worst bit of San Andreas. Gang wars in TBOGT: The worst bit of TBOGT. I'm glad they removed that drek. It`s clear as day that you`re trying to libel other games by attacking their features to falsely elevate your precious V, because V has no features of which to speak. Take the Online out and V by itself is bare nakked. Sonny_Black and gunziness 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Skorpio Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Considering that we know the GTA Online that we got was created 6-8 months before GTA V released... No, online didn't effect single player the way you think. (source: Bugstar Log) Edited April 21, 2015 by Alec Skorpio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fac316 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Animals immediately discredits your theory. Also, gang wars were far from universally liked. Then there's the stock market. Jumbo jet would be fun to fly in Online. Having any semblance of a story whatsoever would probably also be a cool thing. Hell, having a voice at all, even a single line, would be a welcome change. Plus probably a ton more SP has that Online doesn't, but DAE Online, right guys!? Can't forget about Online having less interiors than SP as well. You're one of the few posters left with some common sense.online is fun only when you don't wait 85 mins to load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunziness Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Gang wars in TBOGT is the reason of why said game has more replay value than V after finishing the story (Same with TLAD). I personally put more than 600 hours into them just because of this single feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpoint Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I think territory wars were left out because we've moved on from gang wars. With GTA trying to match real life scenarios, it wouldn't make sense for the Ballas and Grove to still be feuding, if they had included more gang-related aspects we'd all be moaning that this was just "San Andreas 2". Gangs was SA's theme. I agree however that things like the casino were scrapped in favour of online, R* hasn't found a way to utilise this without it being one giant exploit in online. But as far as things like lack of interiors, bog standard activities with no imagination (target vehicle, NPC bounty etc.) , I think its just lazyness and stupidity if anything. I do feel they definitely scrapped or postponed and delayed for long time deliberately to DLC a lot of "good content" in favor of ONLINE.Its the first SP title of the series that comes to a complete stop after you're done with everything that the game has to offer. Not a single content/activity that allows the player to continue with more challenging, random missions like performing a vigilante task, available unlimited - anywhere, and any time.The feeling 'V SP' has evoked from me every time after finishing the game was dissatisfaction, boredom, and that constant - "maybe I should simply play GTA SA again for all the single-player goodness"Single-player in V is just painfully sh*t, with nothing that stands out. Not even PC version did much to improve the disappointments with the SP.Waste of 5 years, imo! Doesn't give me much hope for the series. Also this Overall I think the sh*tty single player etc. is just down to a lack of imagination. Instead of R* using the tools of previous GTAs to set up the free roam to cause genuine random events, we got "Random Events". Which are kind of ironic, considering they're programmed and scripted to happen which makes them anything but random. Remember on GTA IV and previously when you'd be playing and hilarious things would just happen by chance, there's none of this in V. Edited April 21, 2015 by redpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfennekin Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Gang wars were good in TLaD and TBoGT cause you could just ignore them and come back whenever you please. Not be constantly harassed by it like in SA. lastmanonearth, Haha365 and The Dedito Gae 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt of Rivia Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Gang wars in TBOGT is the reason of why said game has more replay value than V after finishing the story (Same with TLAD). I personally put more than 600 hours into them just because of this single feature. Holy f*ck, how did you put 600 hours into that much repetition? Good god. Please tell me it was spread out over time lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heists Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I was reading a thread about why the Online is as dull as a bag of rocks and I was gonna mention how there should be gang wars, and then it hit me that gang wars would only work in the single player because each player would have different progress in terms of which territories they control. That`s gotta be the reason why the territory wars weren`t in V, even though they were universally liked in SA. It got me to think, what other features do you think were dropped because having them in SP would interfere with the way the Online works? Obviously gambling as well since they don`t want you to multiply your Online money, that`s what the shark card scams are for. That`s just my two cents. The reason other features from SA aren`t there like eating/gyms/dancing etc. etc. Is just because they ran out of time/money/resources and the Online ate up too much memory, but the territory wars and gambling were surely left out because they couldn`t work in tandem with the Online. Basically they bent over backwards for the Online. I can imagine the Housers talking back in 2009: "You know, online gaming is the way of the future! Let`s call the next game GTA Online. - Nah, our data shows that the title GTA V would sell better. - Fine, GTA... "V" then! *wink wink*" Online isn't dull, its probably the most content filled GTA we've had yet. Also if you really believe the part in bold you need help. For the rest, TheMasterFocker explained it pretty well: I'm listing things that go against your "hypothesis" (LOL) It's dumb. That's all there is to it. EDIT: Putting this away right now: There's plenty of things in SP right now that's not in Online. That immediately discredits your "hypothesis". For your theory to even make sense, everything in SP would have to work in/with Online. and then it hit me that gang wars would only work in the single player because each player would have different progress in terms of which territories they control. That`s gotta be the reason why the territory wars weren`t in V Why would they not just put it in SP only? There's plenty of things in SP that's not in Online. The only logical way your words could work is if it was 1:1. Which it's not. So that's the end of that. But to address your 2nd point: Obviously gambling as well since they don`t want you to multiply your Online money Hey, buddy...The Stock Market is gambling. Gambling isn't exclusively casinos and roulette tables. And guess what? It's also SP only. Edited April 21, 2015 by Heists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Online isn't dull, its probably the most content filled GTA we've had yet. It is just dumb to see this happening and more ridiculous to see people posting "most content filled" GTA about ONLINE instead of SP. f*ckin' nonsense from R* lastmanonearth, mariasalvatore, Haha365 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanonearth Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 You guys who jump at every opportunity to vigorously defend V to death, it`ll come to bite you in the ass when the next game is even lousier with an even more useless map and fewer things to do. Although being the delusional dolts that you are you`ll probably fool yourselves even then that GTA VI is the best GTA of all time, and then you`ll say that V sucks when someone dares to say that V had more content or a better map. Honestly, is it so bad that we bring our grievances to light, so that Rockstar may listen? NO!!! YOU SHALL NOT SPEAKETH ILL OF THE ALL MIGHTY ONLINE I MEAN GTA V!!!! EVERY OTHER GAME IN EXISTENCE OR THE FUTURE SUCKS BALLS FOR ALL ETERNITY COMPARED TO GTA ONLINE I MEAN GTA V!!! Sonny_Black, Osho and Son of Zeus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) ^ Hahahaha. I bet people said the same thing about the next GTA when GTA IV was out. Yet, you'll be first in line tonl preorder Edited April 21, 2015 by .JokeR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Zeus Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 NO!!! YOU SHALL NOT SPEAKETH ILL OF THE ALL MIGHTY ONLINE I MEAN GTA V!!!! EVERY OTHER GAME IN EXISTENCE OR THE FUTURE SUCKS BALLS FOR ALL ETERNITY COMPARED TO GTA ONLINE I MEAN GTA V!!! I find it funny when people say "I love GTA V" but they actually mean Online. They seem to consider them as one. The other day at some forums a guy was repeatedly saying "GTA V is the best in the series, I just can't get enough of this game". So I asked him why V was his favourite. His reply: "Man, what a question! I always play in full lobbies!". lastmanonearth and Sonny_Black 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt of Rivia Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 You guys who jump at every opportunity to vigorously defend V to death, it`ll come to bite you in the ass when the next game is even lousier with an even more useless map and fewer things to do. Although being the delusional dolts that you are you`ll probably fool yourselves even then that GTA VI is the best GTA of all time, and then you`ll say that V sucks when someone dares to say that V had more content or a better map. Honestly, is it so bad that we bring our grievances to light, so that Rockstar may listen? NO!!! YOU SHALL NOT SPEAKETH ILL OF THE ALL MIGHTY ONLINE I MEAN GTA V!!!! EVERY OTHER GAME IN EXISTENCE OR THE FUTURE SUCKS BALLS FOR ALL ETERNITY COMPARED TO GTA ONLINE I MEAN GTA V!!! "My argument was dumb as soon as it touched the HTML code in the webpage, and was easily destroyed because of how terribly weak and inaccurate it was! Lol you defenders! Blah blah blah" -you. Officer Ronson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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