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I genuinely don't understand your point. If there is one.

 

Why did you add "defending them" to that quote of mine? I guess you're comparing me to Hitler with Stephan's quote, although I don't get why. I mean saying their culture is incredibly f*cked up and sexist isn't even controversial, because it plainly is.

 

 

My apologies, I think it's a leftover from the removed stuff from Stephan's quote that somehow wormed its way into yours.

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I heard Austria wants to use its army to close the southern border. They can sent us some troops to secure our border towards the East if we won't do it on our own. But as previously mentioned the south eastern European countries could connect their fences to one large fence and then it doesn't matter if we close our border or not.

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Stu you're called a bigot because you've correctly connected the intersection of multiculturalism with cultural and political rot. Our statist friends here would love to see the collapse of the West. They want to see liberty replaced with despotism. If the jihadis help that to come about it, so be it.

 

We all see the facts, hell its being covered up in certain places. Your politicians value foreigners over citizens. Facebook is working with the German government to police speech that isn't approved. What does that look like to you?

 

And so we're at this point where the truth is hate speech. Patriots are bigots, sexist, or whatever derogatory term that is in fashion that day. Facts are trumped by feelings. Because that's all that's left in the tank.

 

It can sure be lonely fighting for what's right, but them's the breaks at the moment.

 

#so #brave

 

 

my dang-ass government

spending money to sustain the lives of people whose homestead was turned into a war zone

gosh darn socialists

 

 

Why is it that every person on that side of the argument acts as if they are some lone beacon of truth in an otherwise twisted society? What are these infallible truths to which only one man holds the key? O master, explain to me my feelings as you obviously are so well-versed on them.

Honestly, the self-righteousness and cockiness. "Fighting for what's right", and an endless "they" narrative about "us".

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The "Brave Patriot" shtick, Mar. It's part of nationalist ideology. Also a good vehicle for delusions of grandeur and sho on and sho on. sniff

 

Back in the day, it was the John Wayne-type figure, then it was the brave troops in Vietnam fighting those gawddayum gommunizt wreckers, nowadays it's the brave anti-"SJW" either fighting those loony lefties who think refugees should be able to live a dignified life after homes were torn apart in a war and calling them "statists", or, in more extreme cases, commenting on Youtube about "white genocide" or some sh*t. Nationalism... not even once.

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...just using it to show the principle I'm talking about...

 

Which is? Muslims are evil? Immigrants are ruining the country?

 

So you're saying pretty much we shouldn't single out the migrants for being rapey and molestey and having a rape culture, when we have one ourselves?

 

No, we're saying you should single out the rapists and molesters regardless of their current visa status. Not judge an entire group of people due to actions of a few bad apples. Or I do hope you apply that logic to everything else in your life. Some Dutch people smoke cannabis, so obviously all of them are drug addicts and should be put on government watchlists for potential drug smuggling/abuse. Some British people are chavs/neds and will stab you, so obviously we should all be wary of British people because they may secretly be hiding their identity and will stab us at any moment. Because you can't know for sure, you just can't know. So let's generalize everything. Oh, even better! Christianity has condoned the abuse of children in their ranks. So it follows, from your logic, that we should never let any Christian priest, or any Christian person, near our children because a few of them are pedophiles, so all of them should be treated the same.

 

Or heck, white people have raped other coloured folks en masse over the course of history. Let's treat all white people as potential rapists because you never know, you just never know. They come from a culture of imperialism, of domination, of subjugation, completely at odds with peace and love.

 

We don't live in a rape culture, the only people that think we do are a fanatical fringe. If you did a poll and asked everyone in Germany/France/USA/UK etc if they thought we lived in a "rape culture" the vast majority would say no.

 

Right, because the common folk is completely up to date on his attitudes and current trends in society and sociology at large, right? If you did a poll and asked everyone in Iran/Iraq/Syria/Lebannon/Turkey/Saudi Arabia if they thought they lived in a "rape culture", the vast majority would also say no.

 

There is an absolute chasm between our culture and the migrant's cultures when it comes to treatment of women and attitudes towards women.

 

That is true, but that has never stopped cultures from coexisting peacefully. Like, you know, a great part of the world. When facing immigrants with different backgrounds and cultures, you can either help them settle into their new country, or condemn them all due to the actions of few. One of those will help the country as a whole. The other will breed hate and create terrorists.

 

You know why it's politically convenient to do something now? Not because "this time it's brown people" but because there actually is a danger, and a rape culture now. There wasn't before, so there wasn't this public outcry or protestation.

 

As opposed to before when there were already people from this "rape culture" present in the country? You know, over the past 100 years. All the millions of people from that rape culture coexisting nicely with the people from the lesser rape culture. Oh no, it wasn't a problem before. But it is now. 100 criminals of foreign origin committed sexual crimes, ipso facto all other person of foreign origins are also criminals.

 

It all boils down to this: you and others like you don't want to see countries being mixed. You've already stated your desire for Britain to remain white British, implicating that foreigners are just going to mess things up. Now you're using these attacks as a way to justify your beliefs that all immigrants specifically muslim refugees from war torn countries are evil and hellbent on destroying your way of life when all the evidence and experiences over the decades proves otherwise.

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Must have missed all those German guys at Oktoberfest forming gangs and taking over areas, sexually assaulting hundreds of women in one night in an organised fashion, and the authorities then covering it up.

Each year, about 12 women attending the Oktoberfest report rape or attempted rape, according to Maike Bublitz of the Women's Emergency Crisis Center Munich. Experts believe that the number of unreported cases could be 10 to 20 times higher.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/initiative-aims-young-women-safe-oktoberfest/story?id=14223078

 

“I have seen servers get groped by men by the hour. As we pass, the men, often drunk just grab our behinds and our chests as if we are playthings for them,” she told Bikyamasr.com, her anger in obvious form. “There was always some grabbing and harassment, but this year it is out of control.”

She retold the story of one of her colleagues who was grabbed in the crotch by two men and held down as they attempted to go farther.

“The woman slapped them and called for the police, who came and removed the men, but this is a crime and we need to have legal action in order to preserve this tradition,” she said.

http://www.nsvrc.org/news/news-field/18434

 

And this happens year after year, after year. Why isn't this a bigger story?

 

 

The thing with the new year attacks is they're a sympton of the attitudes and morals of the migrants and their culture. They're representative of them. The same isn't true of sex assaults at Oktoberfest being representative of Germans and their attitudes.

 

How is it different? Why are the NYE attacks representative of literally all migrants, but the Oktoberfest attacks aren't representative of all Germans? Why the double standard?

 

 

People like you pretend it's all about skin colour for people like myself, because you refuse to acknowledge the real issues that exist with the migrants and the cultures they come from.

 

We don't need to pretend, Stu. Your racism is not subtle at all. I sometimes think that you've been duped by internet reactionaries and their demagoguery so hard that you don't even realize just how racist you are, but I'm pretty sure you're aware of it. If you weren't, you wouldn't deflect so hard, or try to turn it into some kind of joke anytime someone suggests that you might just be a tad racist.

 

But to your point, there are certainly aspects of these 'cultures' that are deeply problematic, and I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. The issue here is that misogyny and sexual violence are not at all exclusive to these cultures, nor do they necessarily reflect all migrants, the majority of whom are decent people seeking a better life. And further, misogyny and sexual violence are not imports to Germany. Sexual violence is a problem within every culture.

 

 

Funny, because literally the only reason you won't acknowledge those problems, is because they're brown. If they weren't, you wouldn't be defending them.

 

No one is defending rapists here, pal. Well, except maybe you.

 

rape dont real if u're german

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Just for your information, a speaker of the police from Munich has condemned any relativization of the New Year's Eve events with made up numbers on sexual assaults during Oktoberfest. In 2015 there was only one attempted rape on the whole Oktoberfest! So dump your sh*t elsewhere.

 

http://www.merkur.de/lokales/muenchen/oktoberfest/uebergriffe-wiesn-polizei-nimmt-stellung-zahlen-6022754.html

 

Also for you information, in German society it is condemned to simply touch foreign women on their body and it is also condemned to harry women who say "no". It is also not normal here to go crazy if women wear short clothes and are not veiled. Of course ther are rapists in every country, but our society condemns any bad behaviour towards women, that's the difference!

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It don't get what you are saying. They quote the Munich police. There were 0 rapes and 1 attempted rape during Oktoberfest last year. The Munich police outspokenly condemns any comparison of the events in Cologne with the Oktoberfest. Point!

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Must have missed all those German guys at Oktoberfest forming gangs and taking over areas, sexually assaulting hundreds of women in one night in an organised fashion, and the authorities then covering it up.

1. Each year, about 12 women attending the Oktoberfest report rape or attempted rape, according to Maike Bublitz of the Women's Emergency Crisis Center Munich. Experts believe that the number of unreported cases could be 10 to 20 times higher.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/initiative-aims-young-women-safe-oktoberfest/story?id=14223078

 

1. “I have seen servers get groped by men by the hour. As we pass, the men, often drunk just grab our behinds and our chests as if we are playthings for them,” she told Bikyamasr.com, her anger in obvious form. “There was always some grabbing and harassment, but this year it is out of control.”

She retold the story of one of her colleagues who was grabbed in the crotch by two men and held down as they attempted to go farther.

“The woman slapped them and called for the police, who came and removed the men, but this is a crime and we need to have legal action in order to preserve this tradition,” she said.

http://www.nsvrc.org/news/news-field/18434

 

1. And this happens year after year, after year. Why isn't this a bigger story?

 

 

The thing with the new year attacks is they're a sympton of the attitudes and morals of the migrants and their culture. They're representative of them. The same isn't true of sex assaults at Oktoberfest being representative of Germans and their attitudes.

 

2. How is it different? Why are the NYE attacks representative of literally all migrants, but the Oktoberfest attacks aren't representative of all Germans? Why the double standard?

 

 

People like you pretend it's all about skin colour for people like myself, because you refuse to acknowledge the real issues that exist with the migrants and the cultures they come from.

 

We don't need to pretend, Stu. Your racism is not subtle at all. I sometimes think that you've been duped by internet reactionaries and their demagoguery so hard that you don't even realize just how racist you are, but I'm pretty sure you're aware of it. If you weren't, you wouldn't deflect so hard, or try to turn it into some kind of joke anytime someone suggests that you might just be a tad racist.

 

3. But to your point, there are certainly aspects of these 'cultures' that are deeply problematic, and I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. The issue here is that misogyny and sexual violence are not at all exclusive to these cultures, nor do they necessarily reflect all migrants, the majority of whom are decent people seeking a better life. And further, misogyny and sexual violence are not imports to Germany. Sexual violence is a problem within every culture.

 

 

Funny, because literally the only reason you won't acknowledge those problems, is because they're brown. If they weren't, you wouldn't be defending them.

 

No one is defending rapists here, pal. Well, except maybe you.

 

rape dont real if u're german

 

 

1. For one of the world's largest festivals with millions and millions of people attending over a period of over 2 weeks, 12 rapes/attempted rapes aren't particularly excessive or worrying though. Any number is too high, but it's not something that you need to march down the street for and get outraged about. I'm highly skeptical about the "experts" claims it's up to 20 times higher.

 

As far as the groping and sexual harassment goes, I mean it's obviously a problem yes. But there's being at a party atmosphere and one asshole touches you, and you know if you want to you can get help and he'll be dealt with. And then there's walking down the street and being surrounded by a mob of men who you can't get away from, being repeatedly groped and truly being scared out of your wits.

 

It's not a big story like the new year attacks because it isn't actually the same as the new year attacks. The only people who think it's the same are people who are comparing the two using very broad strokes and ignoring the large discrepancies.

 

2. Let's look at the 2 different cultures and attitudes. On one hand you have a culture where the majority, not a minority, believe a woman should cover herself up or she's an immodest and immoral person, that she's a slut, a whore, she's easy, and that if she is assaulted whilst wearing revealing clothes then she was asking for it. They see women as inferior and lesser than men. These aren't minority opinions, they're widespread and held by the majority.

 

On the other hand you have a culture where it's seen as perfectly normal and acceptable for a woman to dress how she wants, where women aren't viewed as fair game if they're dressed a certain way. Where women are respected and treated as equals, and sexual assault is always seen as unacceptable. These views are held by the vast majority.

 

When you have members of the first culture group sexually assaulting women en masse, you can look at the attitudes and morals of that group and see a clear correlation, and say that those actions are representative of the widespread attitudes of that group. If Germans had done the NYE attacks you would be shocked, because it's not something that would be expected of Germans given their attitudes, and it wouldn't be representative of German culture and German attitudes.

 

3. Well I'm glad you agree that there are deep problems with certain migrant cultures. But the problem is you take issue when that's actually pointed out. Everyone knows sexual violence is an issue with Western cultures too, albeit much less so, but it's simply unnecessary to have it be pointed out every time. We're discussing a specific problem which is the widespread issues with the migrant cultures and the people from those cultures who are now coming here. It's like you have parents with 2 children, both children misbehave but 1 poses a much bigger problem than the other because their behaviour is far far worse. When 1 parent tries to talk about the problem child, the other parent just says "stop picking on them! Our other child is also bad sometimes!" It just leads nowhere and it doesn't help the family or the kid with huge issues.

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1.They are refugees, why put it in quotes?

 

2.All I see in that video are soldiers defending a border. Given that rockets have been launched from Syria and Lebanon in recent memory at the Israeli Golan and Upper Galilee I can hardly blame Israel for stringently defending these borders. The soldiers fired into the air to deter people, that is all. Israel does not have the capacity to take in Syrian refugees on the scale of European countries or the US simply because Israel is scarcely the size of New Jersey and needs to maintain its Jewish majority in order to remain a Jewish state as per its constitution.

 

3.Isaac Herzog and others in Zionist Union have spoken in support of the refugees, but many other political figures in Israel have not spoken in their favour. It's disingenuous to say that Israel is criticising other countries over refugees as this is not a uniform opinion in Israeli political discourse. Israel is also a special case in this regard given that a great many Jewish Israelis are either refugees themselves or descended from refugees, making the issue more emotively charged. Personally I think the Syrian Druze are in deep trouble. Al-Nusra barely tolerates them, ISIS will slaughter them given the chance and the international community does not care about them because, like the Jews for many years, they are a stateless people. I think they should be taken in and settled in the Israeli Golan as this would cement the loyalty of Golani Druze in Israel who specifically do not take up Israeli citizenship because of their brethren over the border. The Druze are an excellent component of Israel, they work hard, serve in the IDF and their loyalty is without question. The final hurdle is how Israel responds to crises involving Syrian Druze, many of whom are related to Israeli Druze. If anything does happen to them then their youth will fall right into the hands of Shia movements like Hizbollah. Other than that though Israel has no obligation to take in refugees on a large scale, nor does it have the capacity.

 

Israel has actually administered aid to many wounded fighters placed at the border to receive treatment at hospitals in the north of Israel (and alienated many Druze in the process sadly):

 

 

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1. My mistake, the definition of a 'refugee' in my country is different you see. It is not a person fleeing from war-torn area like 'your' definition, it is a person who flees a war-torn area because he's unable to fight, or because he's a woman/elderly/a child. It is not a middle-aged male who looks with rage at the soldiers blocking a country they're trying to swarm, while shouting their religious bullsh*t, the same bullsh*t that was probably shouted at them while they were being shot or they were shooting at someone weeks ago. In my country we accepted real refugees - the Chechens, about 7,000-10,000 of them, and you wouldn't see any males shouting bullsh*t or creating no-go zones, know why? because they stayed in their country fighting, all the people you could see were elderly people, their women and children, or the wounded ones who couldn't fight (and most of them just healed up and went back to fight, the only ones who stayed were those who became permamently disabled, or had such physical problems it would be too scary to let them fight again) and after the war, most of them came back to their country because THEY WERE REAL REFUGEES, not people looking for free houses and money, like the people trying to get into Germany. Now whether those are 'real' refugees or not I do not know, but I wouldn't say they are considering how hostile they act; there's a clear difference between a hostile demand, that looks almost like invasion, as well as begging for safety.

 

2. Yeah just soldiers defending their border - in that case why did Orban get sh*tted all over on just because he was doing the same? Why is it always that when Israel does anything, they're the f*cking saints and everything is fine no matter what they do? But when someone else does he can forget about it? Your post is prime example of the double standards that function in modern politics, you just said Israel needs to remain a Jewish state! how laughable - how come then, there's no trouble in bringing thousands of Muslims into Christian-based countries; countries that BARELY had any involvement with the war those refugees come from, yet Israel, being almost like a Middle Eastern US army base can just tell the 'refugees' to f*ck off without any consequences?

 

3. Yup, the situations where people who contributed to their allies are left without help with their pants down really do need to stop......same with USA having translators work for them, promising them their visas after their jobs are done, yet they just abandon them, after they prolly made it on 5 different hit lists in the country they've been working on. Not to mention helping fighters isn't as complex as trying to determine IDs of refugees, you just put them in a military base, train them....no issues such as assimilation because they're focused on fighting to get their land back anyway

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Israel has no direct obligation to Syrian Druze, or any obligation really. Settling them in the Golan is nothing more than a personal feeling of mine.

 

 

Israel takes no side in the Syrian civil war. It certainly is not training Islamist fighters and to suggest such is libelous. Israel gives medical treatment to wounded fighters who turn up on the border, ostensibly, because it is a mitzvah to do so, basically the right thing to do, but probably because it means that Al-Nusra will not agitate Israel for the time being (though it probably doesn't have the capacity to do so anyway).

 

Israel recently took out Samir Kuntar in Syria, who was a Hezbollah operative. This does not mean that Israel is on the side of Al-Nusra or ISIS or whatever. Kuntar was a murderer and former prisoner in Israel for the kidnap of an Israeli family and murder of an Israeli toddler. Even since before the founding of the State Israel has deemed it important to demonstrate that justice will be served to those who cross the Jewish people.

 

 

 

In response to (2):

 

 

 

Why is it always that when Israel does anything, they're the f*cking saints and everything is fine no matter what they do?

 

This is untrue. In fact when Israel launches military campaigns to the same standards as (if not better than) other countries it faces monumental scrutiny from the international community. Reporting on Israel by the BBC and other media outlets in the UK has been the subject of numerous independent inquiries, one of which (the Balen Report) the BBC has suppressed through legal means. I'm also not unequivocally defending Israel; like any country it is not wholly immune to criticism, nor should it be.

 

 

Israel's policy-makers are not obligated to take in Syrian refugees and don't want to do so, so Israel isn't doing this. As for the reasons why, well top of the list is the fact that about the only thing the various segments of Syrian society (if it can still be called that) agree on is that Israel is evil. Alawites have absorbed decades of libel against Israel from a regime which is still technically in a state of war with Israel; Sunni Arabs loathe Israel as it is regarded as an extension of the US by them, because conspiracy theories regarding the State and its intentions abound and because of the Palestinian issue. You can argue about issues of integration in Europe, but, by and large, Syrian refugees simply do not have this level of loathing for and distrust of Europe. This is one reason why Israel cannot realistically take Syrian refugees, at least not many. Also the PA maintains the desire for the "Right of Return", which stipulates that Palestinians Arabs in Jordan, Lebanon and other countries should be allowed to go to Israel. Imagine how it's going to look if Israel (very reasonably) continues not to allow this but then starts taking in Syrians. Relations with the PA would be even worse, and relations with the Palestinians themselves...Well they can't get worse but you understand me.

 

As for the Jewish majority, well this is pretty secure in Israel right now but it could well change. A binational state, in conjunction with taking in Palestinian refugees and Syrian refugees would immediately mean an Arab majority in Israel. This would leave Israel with nothing but terrible options: Maintain Jewish character and culture despite an Arab majority (loss of democracy, apartheid); forcibly resettle Arabs (war with Arab countries, loss of moral character and the revulsion of the entire world/loss of international support); Jews of Israel at the mercy of Arab rulers and once again classed as dhimmi, exactly the same sort of thing that roughly a million Mizrahi/Sephardi Jews fled from in the 20th century and contrary to the aims of the Zionist movement, leading to the loss of their identity and their right to self-determination, leading to another exile.

 

I'm not saying that you don't have a right to be apprehensive of the situation in Europe, but many European countries do have the depth to handle refugees, I just think that the load should be spread evenly, that refugees should be vetted and receive a meaningful absorption process as is done in Israel. I'm talking language classes, cultural education, basic history, respect for their new home and perhaps even numeracy. Also, like Israel, effort should be done to get these people working so that they integrate better, feel more at home and don't resort to the informal economy and crime.

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You see the problem is, even if I agree with you in some points - it's impossible to check identities of some of the immigrants, if not even the majority. In Hungary, border patrol just kept finding torn documents right in trash cans by the border. I have a friend who works as a border guard in Estonia - no matter what kind of terrorist you are for example, you can just emigrate to most of European countries without any ID and they can't turn you down, unless there's some goddamn US bounty warrant on you. You could well be a war criminal who has just slaughtered a whole village, then pay immigrants to smuggle you into an European country; no problem. Now in order to put emphasis on this; I will give you an example - your own Mossad (is that what they're called? my apologies for any spelling mistakes) shortly warned nations that they don't have any decent way to identify the refugees, so NO MATTER WHAT accepting them will be (non) calculated danger - this was also stated as one of the reasons why Israel wouldn't accept refugees, other than the reasons you stated. Later however it was stated that Mossad would help Poland identify any refugees......see anything wrong with that? because I do.

The fact that the immigration crisis situation

a) has no real safety precautions whatsoever, most of UE's countries can't even deport an illegal who'll have no documents on him

b) is forced upon society - there were no referendums or anything as I'm aware

c) is attempting to dangerously, unrealistically merge societies that are unthinkable to co-exist with each other - mixing COMPLETELY different cultures within themselves, enforcing lack of assimilation upon both immigrants and locals, creating internal conflicts

d) gives many refugees perks over locals of the place they're going to; see elderly people in Germany getting evicted from their houses so that refugees can live in them

e) shows clearly that refugees are above the law in countries they emigrated to, as they're not subject to same penalties as a local, using 'different cultures' as an excuse

Shows that Europe shouldn't be doing ANY of what it's currently doing. It is just laughable to think that most people who are refugees will be normal ordinary citizens, in a war-torn country. Do people really think that borders are just open in war-torn countries, and everyone's free to leave? the only people who leave will be the ones who a) paid the human traffickers b) are allowed to do so by whoever's controlling the borders they are trying to cross during the war

 

This is currently how I see the migration crisis:

R = 'refugee' BG = border guards

BG: Sir, we're sorry but we'll have to deport you - you have no identification whatsoever, how are we suppossed to know who you are?

R: Oh, but you know, it's all war and sh*t! How was I suppossed to bring my documents you racists!

BG: Sir, but.....you have an IPhone with you somehow, so how come you have no documents?

R: Just let me in or else I'll cry to Merkel! You racists!

BG: :( okay.....

 

The way things are now, there is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER between current 'crisis' and the Mariel boatlift situation. 'Oh, but those people were all criminals!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how the hell can you compare refugees to them you heartless right-winger!!!!' actually as far as I'm aware, it wasn't until the very moment they arrived that it was found out they were criminals. See where this is going?

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An insert at the top the cartoon contains the famous image of the three-year-old Syrian boy laying face down dead in the sand. The question at the top of the drawing “What would little Aylan have grown up to be?” is answered at the bottom by “Ass groper in Germany”.

 

Do you think this is going too far?

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An insert at the top the cartoon contains the famous image of the three-year-old Syrian boy laying face down dead in the sand. The question at the top of the drawing “What would little Aylan have grown up to be?” is answered at the bottom by “Ass groper in Germany”.

 

Do you think this is going too far?

I don't know what he would become; but I'm certain his future wouldn't be bright considering his scumbag father risked his own son's life along with his wife's life to reach a country only for better conditions, as they were safe in Turkey already or some other country if I remember right. So to answer your question: no. Why is it that people are only able to feel compassion and sympathy only when the story fits the narrative and gets popular? North Korea has way worse situations than this regarding failed emigration attempts, but no one gives a f*ck cause the media are focused on something else now. Anyone being manipulated by the paths that global mass disinformation organizations are laying down needs to get their sh*t checked.

oh right, btw

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604535/Aylan-Kurdi-father-people-smuggler-refugee-crisis

 

LOL, I'm not sure if this is true so don't hold me responsible but I'm laughing my balls off, swedish police decided to stop reporting suspect descriptions in order not to be branded racists

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/15/2784799/

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An insert at the top the cartoon contains the famous image of the three-year-old Syrian boy laying face down dead in the sand. The question at the top of the drawing “What would little Aylan have grown up to be?” is answered at the bottom by “Ass groper in Germany”.

 

Do you think this is going too far?

 

I think it's extremely stupid. I'm surprised that the "artist" could even make this comic, given how broad his brush is.

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An insert at the top the cartoon contains the famous image of the three-year-old Syrian boy laying face down dead in the sand. The question at the top of the drawing “What would little Aylan have grown up to be?” is answered at the bottom by “Ass groper in Germany”.

 

Do you think this is going too far?

No. It's typical black humor like thousands of others out there. I think it's mocking all that hysteria by media around Aylan like he was the only syrian child who died trying to escape to Europe.

 

It's Charlie Hebdo BTW.

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An insert at the top the cartoon contains the famous image of the three-year-old Syrian boy laying face down dead in the sand. The question at the top of the drawing “What would little Aylan have grown up to be?” is answered at the bottom by “Ass groper in Germany”.

 

Do you think this is going too far?

Charlie Hebdo redaction are such a bunch of hypocrites.

"Let's sh*t on someone who won't kill us back!"

Few buckets of swine blood splattered on their porch at 7th January would sure be joke they would understand. Doesn't mean anyone should do it for real. ;)

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It's basically a crass commentary on the way the sensationalist media appeals to emotion. One minute everyone's upset about the tragic death of Aylan (despite the fact that thousands of other refugees have died in transit), then everyone wants to demonise refugees for the Cologne attacks. Really our feelings should be somewhere in the middle ground. Of course we should have compassion for those fleeing warzones, but we must also evaluate the ramifications of taking them in en masse and how to absorb refugees effectively.

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Probably a lot of them are coming for your daughters. I mean, if they decide to stay and get along. They'll sell drugs to your children too.

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I'd say it's more them taking the piss at people saying all refugees are criminals, and should be refused entry on the basis of a few bad apples, and that there's no way that they'd ever integrate in society. So poor Aylan is a kid now, but because refugees are all criminals that can't integrate, he'd just end up an ass grabber in Germany.

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Probably a lot of them are coming for your daughters. I mean, if they decide to stay and get along. They'll sell drugs give out pharmaceuticals to your children too.

FTFY!

 

'They' are humans like you and I, only difference is that 'they' don't sit in front of a screen all day spewing nasty pretentious comments on the internet.

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