Marksman Rifle: The Noob's Sniper Rifle

[Ranna]

There is really no argument, High levels are high levels and should not be f*cked with. Simple, the heavy sniper is a gun you actually have to work for whereas the marksman is buy-able at any level, too much bullets in one mag. Too much damage. End of.

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[billiam]

marksman rifle requires no skill as you can just spam bullets at people until they drop dead, the heavy sniper has the penalty of a low fire rate meaning if you miss your shot, you're potentially f***ed.

 

Therefore marksman rifle = noob weapon

heavy sniper = some skill

[UrbaneVirtuoso]

Ya'll are dweebs. It is in the game and they chose to use it. I use minigun in fights because I can.

I'll echo this sentiment. This supposed 'honor code' in addition to the quote pyramids leaves me amused greatly.

 

Now If you'll excuse me, I'll just whip out my RPG and hear the whining.

Edited April 21, 2015 by UrbaneVirtuoso

[Ranna]

marksman rifle requires no skill as you can just spam bullets at people until they drop dead, the heavy sniper has the penalty of a low fire rate meaning if you miss your shot, you're potentially f***ed.

 

Therefore marksman rifle = noob weapon

heavy sniper = some skill

Skill in an rng and free roam game. Never ever heard of that one lad : )

 

That is like saying there is skill in single player games. You can gain knowledge, but not skill.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Omnigosh

[billiam]

 

marksman rifle requires no skill as you can just spam bullets at people until they drop dead, the heavy sniper has the penalty of a low fire rate meaning if you miss your shot, you're potentially f***ed.

 

Therefore marksman rifle = noob weapon

heavy sniper = some skill

Skill in an rng and free roam game. Never ever heard of that one lad : )

 

That is like saying there is skill in single player games. You can gain knowledge, but not skill.

 

With auto lock on weapons I agree there is not much skill involved, but if you're saying the ability to anticipate the perfect shot long distance with a sniper without the help of auto lock is knowledge and no skill, then I have to disagree good sir : )

[Fonshway]

I use both, heavy sniper to get the first hit, then switch to the marksman to finish them off. Though nowadays, if the person I'm trying to kill gets hit with the heavy sniper, they kill themselves immediately. Marksman doesn't need a Nerf, heavy just needs the power it used to have, and be a 1 hit kill weapon again.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Fonshway

[Ranna]

 

 

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With auto lock on weapons I agree there is not much skill involved, but if you're saying the ability to anticipate the perfect shot long distance with a sniper without the help of auto lock is knowledge and no skill, then I have to disagree good sir : )

 

Literally

>Find where guy is

>Put crosshair on guy

>Spam Trigger

>He is dead

>Talk sh*t on Mic

>Repeat

 

If you think that is skill, then I must be wrong. Yes, it is knowledge since you have to have the brains to know how to Pull out the gun, Aim the gun, look for guy, zoom in, shoot. KNOWLEDGE.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Omnigosh

[Ghoffman9]

I use both, heavy sniper to get the first hit, then switch to the marksman to finish them off. Though nowadays, if the person I'm trying to kill gets hit with the heavy sniper, they kill themselves immediately. Marksman doesn't need a Nerf, heavy just needs the power it used to have, and be a 1 hit kill weapon again.

I encountered this happening to me before in another thread I made long ago, a simple counter is to headshot them. Cannot kill yourself to protect your precious K/D if you go down in one shot now can you?

I am happy with the way the heavy sniper is now though, as it requires you to do what a sniper is suppose to. Land the headshot or risk retaliation from your target. Just being able to shoot your target in any old place and still kill them is too easy if you ask me.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[Ghoffman9]

Again I said being able to spam the weapon in of itself is not the problem, the problem is the amount of damage it can inflict per round. By reducing the weapon's damage per round it would make it balanced, additionally would also require skill to use since you have to land multiple shots in quick succession to take out the target.

 

As of right now it has a 16 round magazine and it only requires 2 or 3 of those rounds to actually hit the target to kill them, meaning the user can spam all day without fear of needing to reload in the middle of combat cause chances are 3 of those 16 rounds are gonna hit and kill the target before the magazine is expended.

 

Reducing its damage will require the user to land 5 or 6 shots in that magazine to kill the target then, requiring the user to land multiple shots in quick succession in order to kill the target.

It will make the weapon unique but balanced in its own right.

 

There needs to be a trade off with every rifle, to where it specializes in one thing but weak in another. As of right now there is no trade off to the Marksman Rifle, it can easily compete in damage with the other two rifles whilst also being able to shoot faster than them and for longer periods due to the large magazine, the trade off is not there.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[UnsentSoul]

I find it hilarious you made this thread. Calling a player a noob because they kill you with a certain weapon makes you look foolish. There are no rules, no standards, this is GTA Online, kill or be killed... shoot first ask questions never...

 

Every week some high and mighty gamer makes a thread about a certain weapon. It's too op, shoots too fast, kills too quickly, able to be unlocked at lvl 1, cheap.... get the drift? Let it go, you said your part, belittled people for a certain weapon, now move on and grow up...

 

Inb4 jackass assumes I spam MR at every player I encounter...

 

Ps. No reason to voice your opinions on how it should be nerfed/ altered... this is the wrong place for that. Nobody here really cares.

Edited April 21, 2015 by UnsentSoul

[Ghoffman9]

I find it hilarious you made this thread. Calling a player a noob because they kill you with a certain weapon makes you look foolish. There are no rules, no standards, this is GTA Online, kill or be killed... shoot first ask questions never...

 

Every week some high and mighty gamer makes a thread about a certain weapon. It's too op, shoots too fast, kills too quickly, able to be unlocked at lvl 1, cheap.... get the drift? Let it go, you said your part, belittled people for a certain weapon, now move on and grow up...

 

Inb4 jackass assumes I spam MR at every player I encounter...

 

Ps. No reason to voice your opinions on how it should be nerfed/ altered... this is the wrong place for that. Nobody here really cares.

The fact you offer nothing to counter my points I find hilarious. I look at this from a game design standpoint, or as a game developer would. From a design standpoint there is no trade off with the Marksman Rifle and is a bar none superior weapon due to glaring design oversights and I am merely pointing them out here and seeing what the community thinks, that was the entire point of this thread.

 

It is clear Rockstar wanted the Marksman Rifle to behave in a radically different way to the other two rifles, their glaring oversight being the weapon does more damage than it should per round and the weapon as is beats the other two across the board because of this issue. If you're gonna give a sniper rifle that big of a magazine and to be able to fire that quickly, the only proper and obvious trade off should be a lower damage output per round than the other two.

 

The very fact that there are quite a few people here talking and debating about this topic, its very clear you're wrong on there being no one that cares.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[Mach1bud]

Again I said being able to spam the weapon in of itself is not the problem, the problem is the amount of damage it can inflict per round. By reducing the weapon's damage per round it would make it balanced, additionally would also require skill to use since you have to land multiple shots in quick succession to take out the target.

 

As of right now it has a 16 round magazine and it only requires 2 or 3 of those rounds to actually hit the target to kill them, meaning the user can spam all day without fear of needing to reload in the middle of combat cause chances are 3 of those 16 rounds are gonna hit and kill the target before the magazine is expended.

 

Reducing its damage will require the user to land 5 or 6 shots in that magazine to kill the target then, requiring the user to land multiple shots in quick succession in order to kill the target.

It will make the weapon unique but balanced in its own right.

 

There needs to be a trade off with every rifle, to where it specializes in one thing but weak in another. As of right now there is no trade off to the Marksman Rifle, it can easily compete in damage with the other two rifles whilst also being able to shoot faster than them and for longer periods due to the large magazine, the trade off is not there.

There is a trade off. You can't zoom with it. A player far away with a Heavy sniper can pick you off with ease, and you won't even see them.

 

If you are close enough that you can hit them with the Marksman, then you are close enough to get shot down by an assault rifle/minigun/whatever, which are much more deadly than the Marksman.

 

And like I said, it greatly, greatly depends on the level of the person you are killing.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Mach1bud

[Fonshway]

Sometimes I think the marksman has more range. Like sometimes I'm fully zoomed in with the heavy and they're out of range, yet they can see me with the marksman. Also, it still takes 2 heavy sniper headshots to kill someone using a bulletproof helmet, not worth the effort.

[Ghoffman9]

 

Again I said being able to spam the weapon in of itself is not the problem, the problem is the amount of damage it can inflict per round. By reducing the weapon's damage per round it would make it balanced, additionally would also require skill to use since you have to land multiple shots in quick succession to take out the target.

 

As of right now it has a 16 round magazine and it only requires 2 or 3 of those rounds to actually hit the target to kill them, meaning the user can spam all day without fear of needing to reload in the middle of combat cause chances are 3 of those 16 rounds are gonna hit and kill the target before the magazine is expended.

 

Reducing its damage will require the user to land 5 or 6 shots in that magazine to kill the target then, requiring the user to land multiple shots in quick succession in order to kill the target.

It will make the weapon unique but balanced in its own right.

 

There needs to be a trade off with every rifle, to where it specializes in one thing but weak in another. As of right now there is no trade off to the Marksman Rifle, it can easily compete in damage with the other two rifles whilst also being able to shoot faster than them and for longer periods due to the large magazine, the trade off is not there.

There is a trade off. You can't zoom with it. A player far away with a Heavy sniper can pick you off with ease, and you won't even see them.

 

If you are close enough that you can hit them with the Marksman, then you are close enough to get shot down by an assault rifle/minigun/whatever, which are much more deadly than the Marksman.

 

And like I said, it greatly, greatly depends on the level of the person you are killing.

 

It does have a scope on it and can zoom in pretty well, but unlike the other two sniper rifles it is not totally reliant on landing headshots to be effective. Just rapid shots to the body in quick succession is all thats needed. In fact the weapon when scoped in, the user can still stay out of range of any weapon's aim assist, especially when the user is moving backwards to maintain that distance.

The user can get away with missing a couple shots and does not need to worry if the shots that do hit are body shots.

 

The downside to the additional range thing is that most battles take place within the city limits, which proves difficult to be able to snipe targets at the Heavy Sniper's maximum range. I can see this happening in Blaine County but players in free roam rarely venture outside the city limits, you're lucky to even have 3 players at most be outside the city at any one time.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[Mach1bud]

^^Yeah I know, I meant it has a fixed zoom, only 1.5×.

 

Sorry I just assumed this was a free aim disscussion, where aim assists aren't an issue.

[Cobhthaigh]

My only gripe is that I'd like the option of it having no scope - just go at it old fashioned battle rifle style with iron sights.

[OG Loc67]

Lol idc the MM Rifle is the best for me gets sht done quick it's all i use literally

Grief with it on the ps3, I'll only use the heavy sniper for far ass distances. Got over 6k kills with it, if u know how to play claw on ps3 u will

Destroy niggas with quickness

Edited April 22, 2015 by OG Loc67

[007_eleven]

Instead of actually balancing the combat system what Rockstar should do is remove every weapon except the homing launcher in free roam, that way nobody has to worry about "skill" and if you want to pad your k/d ratio it will cost $1500 a pop.

[Jehannum]

Heavy Sniper was never nerfed. I get one shot body kills all the time with it. It depends on the other players level. High level players may need 2-3 body shots to take them down.

 

Heavy sniper has been nerfed. You can still get one shot body kills but not 'all the time' like you used to.

[Mach1bud]

 

 

Heavy Sniper was never nerfed. I get one shot body kills all the time with it. It depends on the other players level. High level players may need 2-3 body shots to take them down.

Heavy sniper has been nerfed. You can still get one shot body kills but not 'all the time' like you used to.

What patch was it? Must have been a long time ago because it has always depended on the other persons level/armor as far as I remember.

[size_m]

jehannum is right, it was a patch pretty long ago (over a year?) but i don't konow exactly which patch.

(maybe it was along with the tank nerfing.)

in the very beginning you always needed only one shot with it to kill, no matter if only limbs, torso, or head.

[street_names]

I just use it to slam cars quickly.

[Lord_Smasherton]

There is really no argument, High levels are high levels and should not be f*cked with. Simple, the heavy sniper is a gun you actually have to work for whereas the marksman is buy-able at any level, too much bullets in one mag. Too much damage. End of.

Welp guess that's it then, I just

[Jammsbro]

I see the heavy sniper as more a noob weapon as it's zoom in range makes aiming easy as hell.

 

The marksman might have more in the mag but when you are being shot at with a full auto or another markman rifle, you have to be on your toes, moving, rolling and when you pop back up, instantly find your target and go for that head shot.

 

With a heavy sniper you can sit back and take a long shot and get the kill in one. Way easier.

[Ghoffman9]

I see the heavy sniper as more a noob weapon as it's zoom in range makes aiming easy as hell.

 

The marksman might have more in the mag but when you are being shot at with a full auto or another markman rifle, you have to be on your toes, moving, rolling and when you pop back up, instantly find your target and go for that head shot.

 

With a heavy sniper you can sit back and take a long shot and get the kill in one. Way easier.

So being able to land headshots whilst also strafing at full speed back and forth is easy? If it truly was then everyone would be doing it, but they don't. The fact that so many use the Marksman Rifle now is because it does not require headshots, just spamming for body shots is all thats needed.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[Damned_Hitman]

There are plenty of ways to counter it, so I don't really understand your point of popping onto the internet to moan about it.

Someone is using it against, use it back. If you don't want fight fire with fire, get in close and blast them, use a car, GTA is about freedom, freemode is precisely that, quit thinking about it like it has some sort of rule book.

[Ghoffman9]

There are plenty of ways to counter it, so I don't really understand your point of popping onto the internet to moan about it.

Someone is using it against, use it back. If you don't want fight fire with fire, get in close and blast them, use a car, GTA is about freedom, freemode is precisely that, quit thinking about it like it has some sort of rule book.

Again I am looking at it from a game design standpoint as I said before. As is the weapon is exceeding past what was to be expected due to its high damage per round. Just using one yourself just makes the problem worse, not better. Its like saying that if your opponent is hacking you should hack the game yourself to be on an equal footing. Talking about a legitimate topic is not moaning and I brought nothing but logical points to this discussion so that accusation has no foundation to stand on.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[My Name Is Karen]

Hey, guys come on. Its GTA Online and you can do what ever the hell you please. Its like if you got the money to buy an Armored Kuruma (my favorite car) you have the liberty to buy it and use it however the hell you want. Same sh*t with the MM Rifle, minigun, homing launcher, you get the jist. Kill or be killed, have no mercy, and do all thats possible to kill your targets. Im just saying BTW. Plus I couldve sworn you cant zoom for sh*t with the MM Rifle. Oh well.

[Ghoffman9]

Hey, guys come on. Its GTA Online and you can do what ever the hell you please. Its like if you got the money to buy an Armored Kuruma (my favorite car) you have the liberty to buy it and use it however the hell you want. Same sh*t with the MM Rifle, minigun, homing launcher, you get the jist. Kill or be killed, have no mercy, and do all thats possible to kill your targets. Im just saying BTW. Plus I couldve sworn you cant zoom for sh*t with the MM Rifle. Oh well.

Yes but the vehicle is also balanced, such as the occupants being unable to throw sticky bombs and they can only use their guns at certain angles, the balance is there.

Additionally the Marksman Rifle does not even require a strong scope to be effective, the other snipers have one cause they need that extra magnification to better lock onto a targets head.

The Marksman Rifle only needs a scope effective enough to make body shots easier as headshots are not necessary.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Ghoffman9