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Uncharted 4/ Final Fantasy XV Quality Character Models in GTA V


GlutkoIndustries

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When replacing character models is possible in GTAV via OpenIV, would it be possible to import models that have the graphical fidelity of Uncharted 4's or FFXV's? Why or why not?

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Please reply & thank you for your time. Regards, Glutko Industries Inc.

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Too much geometry on a dynamic actor, would probably kill performance. You need to realize that FF and Uncharted have a very small amount of actors and therefor can go for quality over quantity. GTA on the other hand needs a large amount of actors in order to be believable meaning they must sacrifice quality for quantity.

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Too much geometry on a dynamic actor, would probably kill performance. You need to realize that FF and Uncharted have a very small amount of actors and therefor can go for quality over quantity. GTA on the other hand needs a large amount of actors in order to be believable meaning they must sacrifice quality for quantity.

Then why not have only certain actors have high geometry counts while the rest remain the same? FFXV is supposed to have many actors on screen as well, since it also has a giant open world.

 

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Too much geometry on a dynamic actor, would probably kill performance. You need to realize that FF and Uncharted have a very small amount of actors and therefor can go for quality over quantity. GTA on the other hand needs a large amount of actors in order to be believable meaning they must sacrifice quality for quantity.

Then why not have only certain actors have high geometry counts while the rest remain the same? FFXV is supposed to have many actors on screen as well, since it also has a giant open world.

 

 

Not as much is being shown on screen at all in FF, just as well, many of the images he has shown are from cutscenes or similar scenes in which what is being rendered is very atypical from standard gameplay.

 

Now that doesn't mean there isn't room to improve, just that we aren't going to see the sort of quality in the demos he showed until newer hardware comes along that can actually handle it.

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Too much geometry on a dynamic actor, would probably kill performance. You need to realize that FF and Uncharted have a very small amount of actors and therefor can go for quality over quantity. GTA on the other hand needs a large amount of actors in order to be believable meaning they must sacrifice quality for quantity.

Then why not have only certain actors have high geometry counts while the rest remain the same? FFXV is supposed to have many actors on screen as well, since it also has a giant open world.

 

 

Not as much is being shown on screen at all in FF, just as well, many of the images he has shown are from cutscenes or similar scenes in which what is being rendered is very atypical from standard gameplay.

 

Now that doesn't mean there isn't room to improve, just that we aren't going to see the sort of quality in the demos he showed until newer hardware comes along that can actually handle it.

 

 

 

Well, it's worth a try at least. Who, knows? Maybe performance won't be such a bottleneck in execution.

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Something to consider is that GTA5 still uses "oldgen" shading techniques, ie: diffuse and specular maps.

A 'true next gen' title, such as Uncharted 4 uses Physically Based Rendering, materials are physically accurate based on real measurements.

In other words: characters in GTA5 will never look better than in 'these' games.

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Something to consider is that GTA5 still uses "oldgen" shading techniques, ie: diffuse and specular maps.

A 'true next gen' title, such as Uncharted 4 uses Physically Based Rendering, materials are physically accurate based on real measurements.

In other words: characters in GTA5 will never look better than in 'these' games.

Then why can't the creator of the ICEnhancer mod create physically based shaders for GTA V, just like when he created new shaders for GTA IV that weren't in the engine before?

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Something to consider is that GTA5 still uses "oldgen" shading techniques, ie: diffuse and specular maps.

A 'true next gen' title, such as Uncharted 4 uses Physically Based Rendering, materials are physically accurate based on real measurements.

In other words: characters in GTA5 will never look better than in 'these' games.

Then why can't the creator of the ICEnhancer mod create physically based shaders for GTA V, just like when he created new shaders for GTA IV that weren't in the engine before?

 

 

Possibly. I hope he can do that as a separate plugin, so I don't get physically based shaders while the atmosphere of the game is ruined with it.

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Something to consider is that GTA5 still uses "oldgen" shading techniques, ie: diffuse and specular maps.

A 'true next gen' title, such as Uncharted 4 uses Physically Based Rendering, materials are physically accurate based on real measurements.

In other words: characters in GTA5 will never look better than in 'these' games.

Then why can't the creator of the ICEnhancer mod create physically based shaders for GTA V, just like when he created new shaders for GTA IV that weren't in the engine before?

 

 

Possibly. I hope he can do that as a separate plugin, so I don't get physically based shaders while the atmosphere of the game is ruined with it.

 

How exactly would the atmosphere be ruined via Physically Based Shading, unless it would cause immersion breaking bugs, like the red sky bug from the ICEnhancer for GTA IV? Also, real time reflections that reflect literally everything would also be nice, especially with the car mirrors, which sorely need it. But I digress.

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How exactly would the atmosphere be ruined via Physically Based Shading, unless it would cause immersion breaking bugs, like the red sky bug from the ICEnhancer for GTA IV? Also, real time reflections that reflect literally everything would also be nice, especially with the car mirrors, which sorely need it. But I digress.

 

 

 

I think he means that the game is more comical than realistic, and loses some of that the second you make it physically-based. However I don't have inter-continental telepathy and am just guessing, but physically-based methods are completely doable in the current engine. As for real-time reflections, you're SOL. The computational power needed for it just isn't available on current systems for such a large dynamic world.

 

 

 

 

Well, it's worth a try at least. Who, knows? Maybe performance won't be such a bottleneck in execution.

 

 

Worth a try, sure, but I wouldn't hold out hope for it being playable for the next year or two.

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How exactly would the atmosphere be ruined via Physically Based Shading, unless it would cause immersion breaking bugs, like the red sky bug from the ICEnhancer for GTA IV? Also, real time reflections that reflect literally everything would also be nice, especially with the car mirrors, which sorely need it. But I digress.

 

 

 

I think he means that the game is more comical than realistic, and loses some of that the second you make it physically-based. However I don't have inter-continental telepathy and am just guessing, but physically-based methods are completely doable in the current engine. As for real-time reflections, you're SOL. The computational power needed for it just isn't available on current systems for such a large dynamic world.

 

 

 

 

Well, it's worth a try at least. Who, knows? Maybe performance won't be such a bottleneck in execution.

 

 

Worth a try, sure, but I wouldn't hold out hope for it being playable for the next year or two.

 

I can understand the limitations of reflection on today's hardware except for the car mirrors in first person. Those need real-time reflections, otherwise they're useless. I doubt it would take that much gpu power in order to render that little bit of real-time reflection anyway. Even Total Biscuit said that was an issue in his Port Report on GTA V.

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I can understand the limitations of reflection on today's hardware except for the car mirrors in first person. Those need real-time reflections, otherwise they're useless. I doubt it would take that much gpu power in order to render that little bit of real-time reflection anyway. Even Total Biscuit said that was an issue in his Port Report on GTA V.

 

 

Real-time reflections require the section that is being rendered to be rendered twice. This means, if we assume that the mirrors take up ~10% of screen space each, then in order to have just 2 on screen you have a theoretically decrease in performance of 20%. This is obviously a grossly simplified and underestimated version of the issue. Similarly, Total Biscuit also disclosed, iirc, that he did not have the technical know-how to understand why they were not included.

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Just sit down.

Love the Fritz the Cat profile. XD

 

I can understand the limitations of reflection on today's hardware except for the car mirrors in first person. Those need real-time reflections, otherwise they're useless. I doubt it would take that much gpu power in order to render that little bit of real-time reflection anyway. Even Total Biscuit said that was an issue in his Port Report on GTA V.

 

 

Real-time reflections require the section that is being rendered to be rendered twice. This means, if we assume that the mirrors take up ~10% of screen space each, then in order to have just 2 on screen you have a theoretically decrease in performance of 20%. This is obviously a grossly simplified and underestimated version of the issue. Similarly, Total Biscuit also disclosed, iirc, that he did not have the technical know-how to understand why they were not included.

 

Do you think Nvidia Pascal GPUs would have the horse power to run what I have mentioned?

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Just sit down.

Love the Fritz the Cat profile. XD

 

I can understand the limitations of reflection on today's hardware except for the car mirrors in first person. Those need real-time reflections, otherwise they're useless. I doubt it would take that much gpu power in order to render that little bit of real-time reflection anyway. Even Total Biscuit said that was an issue in his Port Report on GTA V.

 

 

Real-time reflections require the section that is being rendered to be rendered twice. This means, if we assume that the mirrors take up ~10% of screen space each, then in order to have just 2 on screen you have a theoretically decrease in performance of 20%. This is obviously a grossly simplified and underestimated version of the issue. Similarly, Total Biscuit also disclosed, iirc, that he did not have the technical know-how to understand why they were not included.

 

Do you think Nvidia Pascal GPUs would have the horse power to run what I have mentioned?

 

I don't believe they will. Unless NVidia drops on us another golden generation we will get very little this generation compared to Maxwell.

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Just sit down.

Love the Fritz the Cat profile. XD

 

I can understand the limitations of reflection on today's hardware except for the car mirrors in first person. Those need real-time reflections, otherwise they're useless. I doubt it would take that much gpu power in order to render that little bit of real-time reflection anyway. Even Total Biscuit said that was an issue in his Port Report on GTA V.

 

 

Real-time reflections require the section that is being rendered to be rendered twice. This means, if we assume that the mirrors take up ~10% of screen space each, then in order to have just 2 on screen you have a theoretically decrease in performance of 20%. This is obviously a grossly simplified and underestimated version of the issue. Similarly, Total Biscuit also disclosed, iirc, that he did not have the technical know-how to understand why they were not included.

 

Do you think Nvidia Pascal GPUs would have the horse power to run what I have mentioned?

 

I don't believe they will. Unless NVidia drops on us another golden generation we will get very little this generation compared to Maxwell.

 

Well, what about Volta?

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