Horrible FPS w/ GTX 980M [help]

[kuyajosiah]

I have an Asus ROG G751JY

 

GTX 980M 4gb

i7-4710HQ

24gb RAM

 

I only get 22fps while playing GTA V; 40fps being the best I've seen so far on my laptop -- and this is only using the default graphics settings. Aren't I supposed to be getting around/above 60fps? I even overclocked my GPU using MSI afterburner but still no luck. I'm new to the realm of PC gaming so this is frustrating to me.

 

I need some help/input/advice on why I'm getting such low FPS. Is it my Nvidia control panel settings? My drivers are updated btw. Help a noobie please and thank you!

 

EDIT: Holy f*ck I'm a retard. I found the fix. My power options for the battery was set to "Power saving mode". I set it to "High performance mode" and I'm finally getting 60fps. Wow I am so dumb. PC noob here. I'm now getting a stable 60fps

Edited April 18, 2015 by kuyajosiah

[SilverRST]

Have you installed the latest nVidia drivers?

[kuyajosiah]

Have you installed the latest nVidia drivers?

 

 

 

350.12 yessir.

[r0llinlacs]

Buy a real computer. I'm not sure if it says it on this game, but every other game sys. requirements say "laptop versions of these chips may work but are not supported".

 

Gaming with a laptop is like racing with a Prius. It's not made for it. Stop trying.

Edited April 17, 2015 by r0llinlacs

[BS_BlackScout]

Buy a real computer. I'm not sure if it says it on this game, but every other game sys. requirements say "laptop versions of these chips may work but are not supported".

 

Gaming with a laptop is like racing with a Prius. It's not made for it. Stop trying.

Even though it's a Laptop it doesn't mean it's sh*t.

A GTX 980M has a nice performance for a mobile GPU and I'm pretty sure this i7 should be enough...

Maybe there is some power saving setting limiting his performance, idk...

[m1armor]

Buy a real computer. I'm not sure if it says it on this game, but every other game sys. requirements say "laptop versions of these chips may work but are not supported".

 

Gaming with a laptop is like racing with a Prius. It's not made for it. Stop trying.

Dont get your panties in a bunch guy. That comment isnt what he was asking for. He should reasonably with the right settings get 60fps. Hopefully others can help you. Google your problem, apparently here isnt the correct place.

[Realblue1]

Buy a real computer. I'm not sure if it says it on this game, but every other game sys. requirements say "laptop versions of these chips may work but are not supported".

 

Gaming with a laptop is like racing with a Prius. It's not made for it. Stop trying.

 

It's a gaming laptop and you say don't play game?

Edited April 17, 2015 by Realblue1

[r0llinlacs]

 

Buy a real computer. I'm not sure if it says it on this game, but every other game sys. requirements say "laptop versions of these chips may work but are not supported".

 

Gaming with a laptop is like racing with a Prius. It's not made for it. Stop trying.

Even though it's a Laptop it doesn't mean it's sh*t.

A GTX 980M has a nice performance for a mobile GPU and I'm pretty sure this i7 should be enough...

Maybe there is some power saving setting limiting his performance, idk...

 

 

That would be a good place to start troubleshooting, but it doesn't matter how good your laptop is, they aren't officially supported. It's a toss up, a gamble, a flip of a coin, it might work and it might not. For you, it doesn't. Bad luck.

[TheMostKnowledgable]

I liked r0llinlacs post because it's funny, and while it's overall true, there are still some things we can try and some settings we can check to make sure.

 

It's a 980m. Yes, the sister card it is significantly behind its Desktop brother, here's a nice comparison with lots of decent data about the two compared:

 

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980M-vs-GeForce-GTX-980

 

However, when compared to the game's recommended card, the GTX660, it fairs better:

 

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980M-vs-GeForce-GTX-660

 

And when we compare his processor to the recommended CPU, we see it's a pretty much bone-on match (i might be exagerating, there are a lot of differences in the deeper look, but it performs very well):

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4710HQ-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470

 

The issues you will find with that comparison are that his processor is actually better in some ways, yet slower in others. It's an interesting comparison between a mobile and desktop CPU, regardless. And this processor is well fitted to, and makes sense with, that 980m.

 

So, what is the problem? The problem is that the laptop is more than likely setup to conserve power and it is easy to agree that this laptop should not seek to "max" the settings, it should at least run 30fps on a vsync option of Half with some really high settings, or 60fps on lower settings easily, then we can try higher.

 

kuyajosiah, you should go to your power management in the windows os control panel and prefer performance entirely, across the board, just to begin (you can use a more moderate power setting after, but try full performance mode first)

 

ALSO, you should go into nVidia control panel 3d settings and set for global or for GTAV itself "Single Display Performance Mode" and set the power management to performance and not adaptive.

 

This is a good starting point. Report back how these two settings effect your performance, and if they work - you're not out of the woods yet. Download Hardware Monitor below:

 

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

 

Run the game 15 minutes, check your max temps and make sure its within the safe heat for your laptop. It likely is, those are pretty good parts and I imagine there is adequate cooling. If you don't mind me asking, can you link me to the model, I'd like to look it over just for myself, it seems like a really nice lappy, plus I'll be able to guess at whether it runs cool or not by checking for heat problems with the model (search for "too hot" with the model# and so on). Is it one of the new MSi's?

 

If it runs particularly hot, we'll investigate further on finding a good setup for your system.

 

Indeed, Laptops are "unsupported hardware" and refunds/tech support is not promised or required for mobile chipsets typically. Times are changing however, this laptop is likely an example for that.

 

If you are going to game on this laptop, however, just be prepared for sacrificing mobility (you'll need to be plugged in and I do NOT recommend gaming at all unless it's plugged in - do lesser tasks on battery, and use a different power scheme if you cba to remember to switch it when you want to be mobile)

 

How does this so far effect things? Try with the auto configured gfx first. It may be very high settings, lower them selectively if it's still not going well.

Edited April 17, 2015 by TheMostKnowledgable

[r0llinlacs]

 

Buy a real computer. I'm not sure if it says it on this game, but every other game sys. requirements say "laptop versions of these chips may work but are not supported".

 

Gaming with a laptop is like racing with a Prius. It's not made for it. Stop trying.

Dont get your panties in a bunch guy. That comment isnt what he was asking for. He should reasonably with the right settings get 60fps. Hopefully others can help you. Google your problem, apparently here isnt the correct place.

 

 

If he had a desktop he might reasonably get 60fps. Laptops aren't supported, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. I don't see why everyone expects 60fps from their craptops and ancient desktops with a brand new game that was made for 4k and super high-end systems. It. Won't. Happen. The bar for next generation PC gaming has just been set and 90% of machines were made obsolete the second this game came out. Hell, when GTA IV came out I knew there was no chance in hell I'd run it at 60fps but I didn't go complaining on forums about a brand new state-of-the-art game not running on my old as dirt system.

[kuyajosiah]

I liked r0llinlacs post because it's funny, and while it's overall true, there are still some things we can try and some settings we can check to make sure.

 

It's a 980m. Yes, the sister card it is significantly behind its Desktop brother, here's a nice comparison with lots of decent data about the two compared:

 

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980M-vs-GeForce-GTX-980

 

However, when compared to the game's recommended card, the GTX660, it fairs better:

 

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980M-vs-GeForce-GTX-660

 

And when we compare his processor to the recommended CPU, we see it's a pretty much bone-on match:

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4710HQ-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470

 

The issues you will find with that comparison are that his processor is actually better in some ways, yet slower in others. It's an interesting comparison between a mobile and desktop CPU, regardless. And this processor is well fitted to, and makes sense with, that 980m.

 

So, what is the problem? The problem is that the laptop is more than likely setup to conserve power and it is easy to agree that this laptop should not seek to "max" the settings, it should at least run 30fps on a vsync option of Half.

 

kuyajosiah, you should go to your power management and prefer performance entirely, across the board, just to begin (you can use a more moderate power setting after, but try full performance mode first)

 

ALSO, you should go into nVidia control panel 3d settings and set for global or for GTAV itself "Single Display Performance Mode" and set the power management to performance and not adaptive.

 

This is a good starting point. Report back how these two settings effect your performance, and if they work - you're not out of the woods yet. Download Hardware Monitor below:

 

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

 

Run the game 15 minutes, check your max temps and make sure its within the safe heat for your laptop. It likely is, those are pretty good parts and I imagine there is adequate cooling. If you don't mind me asking, can you link me to the model, I'd like to look it over just for myself, it seems like a really nice lappy, plus I'll be able to guess at whether it runs cool or not by checking for heat problems with the model (search for "too hot" with the model# and so on). Is it one of the new MSi's?

 

If it runs particularly hot, we'll investigate further on finding a good setup for your system.

 

Indeed, Laptops are "unsupported hardware" and refunds/tech support is not promised or required for mobile chipsets typically. Times are changing however, this laptop is likely an example for that.

 

I have an Asus G751JY-DH71. Oh trust me I've already tried all those nVidia settings. I set my v-sync to "adaptive" though. And I've turned off v-sync in-game because I heard it works sh*tty. But still no 60fps. Other people who have this same exact laptop can max out the settings and run GTA @ 1080p 60fps. I must be doing something wrong.

[BS_BlackScout]

 

 

 

 

For you, it doesn't. Bad luck.

 

I have a PC. I'm not the OP. lel

[r0llinlacs]

Vsync works beautifully for me. Try resetting/disabling your Nvidia profile and let the game run on it's own settings. Also, turn off all forms of AA.

Edited April 17, 2015 by r0llinlacs

[TheMostKnowledgable]

That's a pretty laptop. Nice looking. While this is not the same laptop it's equal-and-lesser to yours:

 

 

 

Running really well. He's got 2x Nvidia GTX 860M 4Gb, but I think that still should be quite nicely comparable to your single 980m.

 

So whatever the issue is, don't fret too much, you're going to end up getting it resolved.

 

I see you are new to pc gaming, is this the only game you've been able to test with so far? Any other particularly heavier games you've been able to try?

Edited April 17, 2015 by TheMostKnowledgable

[SilverRST]

 

 

Buy a real computer. I'm not sure if it says it on this game, but every other game sys. requirements say "laptop versions of these chips may work but are not supported".

 

Gaming with a laptop is like racing with a Prius. It's not made for it. Stop trying.

Dont get your panties in a bunch guy. That comment isnt what he was asking for. He should reasonably with the right settings get 60fps. Hopefully others can help you. Google your problem, apparently here isnt the correct place.

 

 

If he had a desktop he might reasonably get 60fps. Laptops aren't supported, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. I don't see why everyone expects 60fps from their craptops and ancient desktops with a brand new game that was made for 4k and super high-end systems. It. Won't. Happen. The bar for next generation PC gaming has just been set and 90% of machines were made obsolete the second this game came out. Hell, when GTA IV came out I knew there was no chance in hell I'd run it at 60fps but I didn't go complaining on forums about a brand new state-of-the-art game not running on my old as dirt system.

 

Liked the post because of the word "craptops' lol.

And there is also crApple iPoop.

 

Laptops are great, I was a huge laptop lover the past 10 years but because of the overheating, it's enough.

I moved on to desktop gaming. Yesterday I played GTAV for 6 hours and my GTX780 was at 75C degrees the whole time, and that's a really good temps.

GTX900M are Maxwell GPU's and consumes less than Kepler GPU's but, mobile... Mobile GPU's are limited to prevent overheating.

[kuyajosiah]

That's a pretty laptop. Nice looking. While this is not the same laptop it's equal-and-lesser to yours:

 

 

 

Running really well. He's got 2x Nvidia GTX 860M 4Gb, but I think that still should be quite nicely comparable to your single 980m.

 

So whatever the issue is, don't fret too much, you're going to end up getting it resolved.

 

I see you are new to pc gaming, is this the only game you've been able to test with so far? Any other particularly heavier games you've been able to try?

 

I'm pretty new to PC gaming and this laptop is convenient for me since I'm in the Army and I don't feel like hauling around an expensive desktop rig YET.

The only "heavy" games I've played so far is just BF4 and Far Cry 4 and AC Black Flag

 

BF4 I can run at max settings @ 70+ FPS. It'll rarely dip below that though

FC4 and ACBF I can run also at max settings @ a steady 30fps.

 

It's just weird I've tried so much different settings with the nVidia control panel and in-game but I can rarely surpass 30fps haha

Edited April 18, 2015 by kuyajosiah

[r0llinlacs]

 

That's a pretty laptop. Nice looking. While this is not the same laptop it's equal-and-lesser to yours:

 

 

 

Running really well. He's got 2x Nvidia GTX 860M 4Gb, but I think that still should be quite nicely comparable to your single 980m.

 

So whatever the issue is, don't fret too much, you're going to end up getting it resolved.

 

I see you are new to pc gaming, is this the only game you've been able to test with so far? Any other particularly heavier games you've been able to try?

 

I'm pretty new to PC gaming and this laptop is convenient for me since I'm in the Army and I don't feel like hauling around an expensive desktop rig YET.

The only "heavy" games I've played so far is just BF4 and Far Cry 4 and AC Black Flag

 

BF4 I can run at max settings @ 70+ FPS. It'll rarely dip below that though

FC4 and ACBF I can run also at max settings @ a steady 30fps.

 

It's just weird I've tried so much different settings with the nVidia control panel and in-game but I can rarely surpass 30fps haha

 

 

Did you try not running a profile with the game? I rarely use the profile settings, neither Nvidia's nor AMD's because it seemed like half the time, they'd just cause problems with the game. You got one program trying to override another and sometimes it just causes problems.

[LiaN82]

this video not @ 60 fps...

 

notebook only for work,plz buy a real pc gamming.

[r0llinlacs]

 

 

 

Dont get your panties in a bunch guy. That comment isnt what he was asking for. He should reasonably with the right settings get 60fps. Hopefully others can help you. Google your problem, apparently here isnt the correct place.

 

 

If he had a desktop he might reasonably get 60fps. Laptops aren't supported, sorry to burst everyone's bubble. I don't see why everyone expects 60fps from their craptops and ancient desktops with a brand new game that was made for 4k and super high-end systems. It. Won't. Happen. The bar for next generation PC gaming has just been set and 90% of machines were made obsolete the second this game came out. Hell, when GTA IV came out I knew there was no chance in hell I'd run it at 60fps but I didn't go complaining on forums about a brand new state-of-the-art game not running on my old as dirt system.

 

Liked the post because of the word "craptops' lol.

And there is also crApple iPoop.

 

Laptops are great, I was a huge laptop lover the past 10 years but because of the overheating, it's enough.

I moved on to desktop gaming. Yesterday I played GTAV for 6 hours and my GTX780 was at 75C degrees the whole time, and that's a really good temps.

GTX900M are Maxwell GPU's and consumes less than Kepler GPU's but, mobile... Mobile GPU's are limited to prevent overheating.

 

 

Yes, logic! Laptops are great for their intended use, mobile computing. Gaming? Not so much. You are 100% right when you say mobile GPU's are limited to prevent overheating, that is 100% true and correct, anything mobile is limited due to heat dissipation limitations. It takes massive quantities of copper/water to dissipate heat and we all know (I hope) that extreme processing creates extreme heat, and desktops are the only thing actually big enough to dissipate heat sufficiently enough to support higher processing speeds without overheating. I've been a desktop fan since day 1, my first desktop had a Pentium 166mhz processor and I've stuck with desktops ever since. Heck, I remember when laptops were a new thing. I laughed at how crappy they were (literally, they were junk lemons that didn't last more than a year) and hence the term craptops was born.

 

#1 rule of thumb: Heat is the enemy of electronics. The cooler they run, the longer they last. Laptops are inherently hot and therefore don't last nearly as long as a desktop. To this day, the only thing that's ever failed me in a desktop was one video card (fan failed) and one hard drive (it was a 2gb piece of crapola). Laptops on the other hand... if they're fixable I'll buy them, fix them and re-sell them, and boy oh boy, is there ever an abundant supply of broken laptops.

[kuyajosiah]

I can set the graphics to the lowest settings and resolution possible and I'll still get only 20-30fps.

[TheMostKnowledgable]

this video not @ 60 fps...

 

notebook only for work,plz buy a real pc gamming.

 

It's about 40 to 50 and maybe some 60 in there, true. That's why I want to get him a steady 30 "just to start with".

 

Honestly, I was sacrificing more for 60fps than I lose using half vsync. I love 60fps, but 30fps is now allowing me to turn up sh*t that used to make the game stutter at 60fps.

 

I can run 60fps at PS4 quality, give or take (sometimes 50 and I have seen spikes down to 35 without ultra grass), but I find that I can get 8x msaa and do 30fps and be smooth and very fine FOR MY TASTES in a THIRD PERSON CINEMATIC GAME. I am not talking about "filmic look" there, but I find I achieve that at half refresh rate setting of vSync as well.

 

i5-4590

gtx960

8gb.

 

I think I will see an immediate improvement when I plop 8 more gig in soon, and I already planned my next GPU, and I'm okay with this one "for now", but by limiting myself to 30fps and MAXING OUT the motion blur (important for 30fps!!), I can also max out more things than I can at 60fps. I love 60fps, but I really don't suffer at half vsync - it's a good place to start - match or exceed the console (which is matched 30fps), then we see about more fps and higher settings.

 

I know mileage may vary. Luckily we know a lesser or equal-ish lappy can run it, we know we can help OP and there are some successful laptop users on the forum, give them time to come in, maybe someone faced a similar issue and has the fix for people not experiencing what they should.

 

He should get good 60fps no problem on near-highest settings if his power and nvidia panel is right, maybe. maybe a little lower settings. 30 should be easy and let him go above expected, so I wanted to start there.

 

kuyajosiah, if you're out of options thus far, try downloading DDU and using it in safe mode. Make sure your integrated graphics are disabled in bios, then go into safe mode, run it, and clean all you can including amd, just clean it all off Intel, AMD, and nVidia:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

 

Now, install the game ready drivers from nvidia: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/83819/en-us

 

Linked in case you cleaned off your extract already or haven't downloaded those yet.

 

Next driver update should bring that and more optimizations, too, so we have that to look forward to as well.

 

Report back if this has had an effect or not.

 

Rememeber to global set your power options for gaming again after this, OS might change too, double check it.

 

I hope it's not a waste of time. If you haven't used DDU and reinstalled drivers at all, please do so at least, including disabling any integrated graphics the i7 has - my i5's integrated was a problem for me on another game prior to V's release.

Edited April 18, 2015 by TheMostKnowledgable

[jd_beam]

I have a 770m 3gb with the same processor and run 50-60fps with nearly everything on high with a couple settings on medium and msaa turned off. Run it first with the recommended nvidia settings through the control panel, but you can go higher than that, or at least you should be able to pretty easy.

[TheMostKnowledgable]

jd_beam, do you mean the Gforce Experience "optimal" settings? Or in the actual control panel that looks like win32 forms?

 

he should be able to msaa4x no problem depending on his shadow settings imo - but I can't be sure. It's an interesting topic, I think he'll bear fruit for others when we find out what is holding it down around low 20's fps.

[kuyajosiah]

I have a 770m 3gb with the same processor and run 50-60fps with nearly everything on high with a couple settings on medium and msaa turned off. Run it first with the recommended nvidia settings through the control panel, but you can go higher than that, or at least you should be able to pretty easy.

 

Already tried the default nvidia settings and still no luck. Still getting 20-30fps. I have the disk version of GTA. Does that make any difference? Defective GPU maybe?

jd_beam, do you mean the Gforce Experience "optimal" settings? Or in the actual control panel that looks like win32 forms?

 

he should be able to msaa4x no problem depending on his shadow settings imo - but I can't be sure. It's an interesting topic, I think he'll bear fruit for others when we find out what is holding it down around low 20's fps.

 

I only hit 60fps in the menus, 40fps in Los Santos customs, but everwhere else its still low 20s to even the teens.

[PCMasterRace46]

A 980m is a descent mobile gpu but its no where near the same as its desktop counterpart at the same resolution he is on.

[TheMostKnowledgable]

I'm not saying to play like this, but what happens if you under-cut the default gfx? If you put everything you can to "normal" - did you already try all low? I wouldn't even suggest that, what about everything on "normal" *just to start with*

 

Can you tell me:

 

Your AntiVirus provider

I'm guessing windows is 8.1? Seems to match the rollout of those specifications, so I am guessing you're at latest there, it's not 7? (not that anything is wrong with 7, I use it, I'm just saying for him!)

How is windows update? Anything important there (ie, not optional)?

Are you using mcafee or norton by chance? (chalk it up to a sh*ts-and-giggles or a hunch - is it one of those two?)

 

Is the hdd 5200rpm? Another time I'm just wondering - this would be more likely to cause micro stutters than to cause a low fps, I'm just wondering.

Edited April 18, 2015 by TheMostKnowledgable

[jd_beam]

jd_beam, do you mean the Gforce Experience "optimal" settings? Or in the actual control panel that looks like win32 forms?

 

he should be able to msaa4x no problem depending on his shadow settings imo - but I can't be sure. It's an interesting topic, I think he'll bear fruit for others when we find out what is holding it down around low 20's fps.

Yeah optimal settings will set everything to about medium with vsync on...my 770m runs that no problem, I bumped a bunch of settings up and still run at 55-60 easily. Your 980m should outperform mine with no sweat.

[kuyajosiah]

I'm not saying to play like this, but what happens if you under-cut the default gfx? If you put everything you can to "normal" - did you already try all low? I wouldn't even suggest that, what about everything on "normal" *just to start with*

 

Can you tell me:

 

Your AntiVirus provider

I'm guessing windows is 8.1? Seems to match the rollout of those specifications, so I am guessing you're at latest there, it's not 7? (not that anything is wrong with 7, I use it, I'm just saying for him!)

How is windows update? Anything important there (ie, not optional)?

Are you using mcafee or norton by chance? (chalk it up to a sh*ts-and-giggles or a hunch - is it one of those two?)

 

Is the hdd 5200rpm? Another time I'm just wondering - this would be more likely to cause micro stutters than to cause a low fps, I'm just wondering.

 

McAfee and I'm using windows 8.1. Everything is up to date and my HDD is 7200rpm. My FPS fluctuates so much. During cutscenes it'll be like ~100fps. When I'm in a jet way up in the sky I'll hit 60fps, but it seems once I'm in the city and especially driving, I'll hit the low 20fps again.

[r0llinlacs]

Optimal settings are never optimal. Go through the settings and set them yourself. If you don't know what the settings do, look them up. If you don't understand what they do, trial and error is the best approach. Try changing a setting, apply it, try playing the game. If it doesn't work right or you don't like what it does, change it back. Do this for every setting. It's not going to hurt anything by changing a setting so there's nothing to be afraid of.

[jd_beam]

 

I'm not saying to play like this, but what happens if you under-cut the default gfx? If you put everything you can to "normal" - did you already try all low? I wouldn't even suggest that, what about everything on "normal" *just to start with*

 

Can you tell me:

 

Your AntiVirus provider

I'm guessing windows is 8.1? Seems to match the rollout of those specifications, so I am guessing you're at latest there, it's not 7? (not that anything is wrong with 7, I use it, I'm just saying for him!)

How is windows update? Anything important there (ie, not optional)?

Are you using mcafee or norton by chance? (chalk it up to a sh*ts-and-giggles or a hunch - is it one of those two?)

 

Is the hdd 5200rpm? Another time I'm just wondering - this would be more likely to cause micro stutters than to cause a low fps, I'm just wondering.

 

McAfee and I'm using windows 8.1. Everything is up to date and my HDD is 7200rpm. My FPS fluctuates so much. During cutscenes it'll be like ~100fps. When I'm in a jet way up in the sky I'll hit 60fps, but it seems once I'm in the city and especially driving, I'll hit the low 20fps again.

 

turn vsync on see what happens