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Jon Bernthal, what can I say the guy's amazing in this role. Overall it's a great show. To me I'd probably place it tying 2nd (DDS2) or 3rd (Jessica Jones) with those two shows. Definitely better than Iron Fist and The Defenders. Great, great show.

 

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3 episodes to go for me but so far it's my favourite Marvel series without a doubt.

Mine too, now. I'm on the last episode - hope it ends well.

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God damn, I think the Tomatometer's broken. This sh*t is just wrong.

 

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I mean a 6.8? A f*cking D+?

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Finished off Punisher, and it's up there with DDS2, my issue with DDS2 in truth is the Hand, and then using them again in Defenders, they're such a weak point for me. Least we didn't need them to prop up the bad guys in Punisher, overall I loved it!

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God damn, I think the Tomatometer's broken. This sh*t is just wrong.

 

I mean a 6.8? A f*cking D+?

 

Reading the negative reviews, it mainly talks about the substance of the tv show, the layers of depth of its story and the execution of its messages its trying to send out. There is a couple talking about it being released at the wrong time, via terrorism/massacres.

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God damn, I think the Tomatometer's broken. This sh*t is just wrong.

 

I mean a 6.8? A f*cking D+?

 

Reading the negative reviews, it mainly talks about the substance of the tv show, the layers of depth of its story and the execution of its messages its trying to send out. There is a couple talking about it being released at the wrong time, via terrorism/massacres.

 

In this day and age, there's never a 'good' time to release something like this in fairness. It's sadly the world we now live in. Personally I thought it was really good, and explaining the PTSD soldiers suffer was virtually spot on I assume.

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Finished it probably the best out of the marvel shows and it doesn't feel like a superhero show at all. Micro's story was also one of the best side plots

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The same people who say Punisher is not timed right are the same people who get mad at Game of Thrones when a character is raped but still loves the person who raped them.

 

f*cked up sh*t happens. It seems like lately, fiction cant even use these f*cked up things without someone crying about it. The PC Principals of the world. All TV and movies cant have f*cked up sh*t, because someone will be triggered. Cant be uncomfortable at any time. Cant have a story that conveys any opinions other than a touchy feely left opinion. Cant even have characters that have those opinions, unless theyre villains.

 

That said, Ive only watched 2 1/2 episodes. Busy season at work, and Ill get back to you all when Ive watched a few more episodes.

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The commentary on gun control is flimsy as all hell so I understand where some of the criticism come from but it doesn't hamper the show in any significant way.

 

I'v been reading the comics and I really don't understand why they used

Rawlins like that.

 

If they used his counter part from the comics who's basically the same character but goes under a different name they could still use

comic Rawlins

for some great storylines.

 

Up is down, Black is White is BEGGING for an adaptation. I'd love to see O'Brien on the screen.

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The commentary on gun control is flimsy as all hell so I understand where some of the criticism come from but it doesn't hamper the show in any significant way.

 

I'v been reading the comics and I really don't understand why they used

Rawlins like that.

 

If they used his counter part from the comics who's basically the same character but goes under a different name they could still use

comic Rawlins

for some great storylines.

 

Up is down, Black is White is BEGGING for an adaptation. I'd love to see O'Brien on the screen.

I see your point. But also even down to:-

 

 

Billy, he was a petty criminal, he wasn't franks best buddy, but in truth it added more of a dimension to Russo I felt.

 

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And I finished the whole show. It was pretty great and I'm so glad that it turned out so well. I'd rank it right there with Daredevil and Jessica Jones. It's the same level of quality. I wouldn't say that it's better or worse. That just depends on your personal preference. I can see arguments for both.

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I finished the series last night. Despite it's somewhat slow start, I really enjoyed it. The pacing doesn't really start until episode 7, but from that point on it's an amazing ride.

 

 

I kind of expected one of the villains would turn into Jigsaw, seeing as he's probably The Punisher's most well known enemy. I wasn't sure if it would be Rawlins or Russo though. But after the umpteenth time Russo being called a ''pretty boy'' and the scene at the carousel with the shots focusing on the mirrors so much, I knew it had to be him. It wasn't until later that I found out Billy Russo in the comics is Jigsaw as well. The only Jigsaw I knew was John Saint, from the 2005 Punisher videogame.

 

 

 

Though they treated the issues with veterans coming home respectfully, the whole discussion about gun control crashed and burned for me. Luckily the show only really talked about the latter for about two episodes.

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I've finished 7 episodes so far (which is when the action begins). It's a great show. Much better than the standards of Iron Fist, Luke Cage or the Defenders. It deserves to be placed with Daredevil's Season 1. Definitely one of my favorite Marvel shows now.

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I feel like the Punisher can say a lot about things like vigilantism, but the fact that it's tied to the same cinematic universe as a talking raccoon almost feels like a burden on that end. Either way, this first season was a nice watch. They didn't shy away from the brutality that I was hoping for at all. There were some good moments related to the treatment of soldiers post-deployment, but I think there were some missteps, as well. Overall, I really liked that this show was trying to be about something a little bigger while still playing into all the things I love about the Punisher. I guess my issue is that there isn't enough reconciliation between the vigilante/terrorist subplot and its bigger connection to the idea of Frank Castle, and more importantly, how we as the viewer need to think more consciously about our appreciation of revenge porn in a world where mass murder is so common that we've started to say things like, "another one, already?"

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from the 2005 Punisher videogame.

 

An underrated gem! It's not just an OK game, it's an incredible game.

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It looks alright. I just wonder what this season's plot is going to be about. Kilgrave was a big part of what made the first season so great for me, so I'm a little worried tbh.

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I'm guessing we're not seeing this one before 2019 or 2020? Jessica Jones Season 2, Daredevil Season 3, Iron Fist Season 2 [did Luke Cage get renewed?] and I think another Defenders is on the cards so all of those will need to be finished first before The Punisher can be done.

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I started season 2 of Daredevil and just realized that the biker who takes Foggy out of the biker club is the guy who voiced Luis Lopez in Ballad of Gay Tony.

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I started season 2 of Daredevil and just realized that the biker who takes Foggy out of the biker club is the guy who voiced Luis Lopez in Ballad of Gay Tony.

In Jessica Jones the fat chick in prison is the woman who voiced Elizabeta in IV

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I'm guessing we're not seeing this one before 2019 or 2020? Jessica Jones Season 2, Daredevil Season 3, Iron Fist Season 2 [did Luke Cage get renewed?] and I think another Defenders is on the cards so all of those will need to be finished first before The Punisher can be done.

I could see it happening in 2019. Luke Cage and Iron Fist are already filming, and I believe Daredevil just started too. I don't think they'll be doing another season of Defenders anytime soon, at least that's what I think the producer said.

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What about Disney leaving Netflix? They're starting some new streaming service in 2019 I think what exactly happens to these shows since Netflix is helping produce them?

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If the second series is focused on that government conspiracy, you can count me out right now. That subplot was easily the weakest part of the first season, and as The Defenders proved, shadowy organisations do not make good antagonists. At all.

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What about Disney leaving Netflix? They're starting some new streaming service in 2019 I think what exactly happens to these shows since Netflix is helping produce them?

Disney owns the rights to the characters, locations, etc. so they'd take the shows with them to their new streaming service.

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Wasn't The Defenders supposed to be a mini series? That's the whole point of it having a single season. If it was renewed for another season, my guess is that'll be a while (in years) before we see another team up. Another Season of Daredevil is more welcome than everything else.

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