The ONE thing V has over IV story-wise

[Smith John]

 

 

This thread is doing good. Let's hope OG stays away from it.

Ot- agree with you op.

What's wrong with you. You are mad because someone does not have the same opinion as you. Come on, he has his own f*cking opinion, if he likes IV better than V, that's fine, but looking at your posts, you really need to stop trying to persuade other people suffice to your own opinion. All people have different opinions and that's why this is called the GTA Forums, not the GTA V elitists forums.

Exactly. It's pathetic how he and a couple of his friends seem to think this is the GTA V Fanboy Club or something. This post if his is partly due to that twisted mentality and partly due the fact that he gets his ass handed to him when he argues with OG. Talk about butthurt. "Hurr durr I hope OG stays away". Sounds like he's almost afraid of him.

No fear of OG on my end. I've handed his ass to him more times than I care to remember.

 

Thing is, he actually has the capability to present the odd well constructed criticism, but he ruins it all with his childish behaviour of insulting other members' intelligence. It appears to be a robotic symptom of his. That and the fact he seems to annoyingly indulge in turning anything positive thrown at this game into his usual recycled miserable negativity destroys any remaining credentials he has left.

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

 

 

V had a story that should have been better organized and more fleshed out but there is still a lot of depth for people willing to look.

Sorry man, but it was so weak and boring that I had no further motivation to look even if I wanted to. In any case, there is nothing else more to see, V's story is what it is, a corny-ass Hollywood movie with weak writing and characters. I've seen and looked enough, nothing else is there.

For someone who claims to have only run through the campaign once and never touched it again, you've in no way, shape or form "seen and looked enough". You haven't even scratched the surface, mate.

It's like going to a restaurant, trying one of their meals, and then judging the entire menu on said meal. As far as I'm concerned, any conclusion of an opinion on something will only be taken serious if the item(s) being critiqued are tried and tested in full before drawing the conclusion.

In other words, if the limited amount of time you so often claim to have afforded this game is sincere, then your opinions are pretty worthless.

Other than approaching heists differently and some minor cutscene differences depending on who you start a mission with (which you can watch on YouTube) GTA V's entire story and understanding can be encapsulated in one play through. It's not that deep IMO.

 

To OG's credit at least he's actually finished it. I've always felt most people who moan about GTA IV's story being boring and depressing have never finished it or once at the most. Are their opinions equally worthless as they haven't "scratched the surface"?

 

It's simple really like OG or not he's always been consistent in how he's felt about the story being weak. I doubt multiple play throughs would make him change his mind if that's how he's set it.

[Osho]

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You are doing it right except an error in typing the word wrong in the beginning of - > [spolier] <- instead of

 

Edited April 16, 2015 by Osho

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

 

 

I don't know about that Osho. Look at Red Dead Redemption..that story carried the game IMO...gameplay wise as well, it was a very in character type game and it's one of the best video games ever made.

And also lassoing random people and dragin them through the desert.

Well you couldn't sleep with prostitutes..you had an honor system that affected in game dialogue and ped interactions. So I'd say it's pretty in character.

 

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[spolier]What`s ironic is that even when you play as his son he doesn`t wanna have anything to do with prostitutes either, even though ironically his mother was one.

 

 

That's probably why he doesn't want anything to do with them. He knows his mother's story. Why would he went to assist anyone in going through that?

Edited April 16, 2015 by Fuzzknuckles

[lastmanonearth]

 

 

 

 

I don't know about that Osho. Look at Red Dead Redemption..that story carried the game IMO...gameplay wise as well, it was a very in character type game and it's one of the best video games ever made.

And also lassoing random people and dragin them through the desert.

Well you couldn't sleep with prostitutes..you had an honor system that affected in game dialogue and ped interactions. So I'd say it's pretty in character.

 

WARNING - I don`t know how to hide a spoiler!

 

[spolier]What`s ironic is that even when you play as his son he doesn`t wanna have anything to do with prostitutes either, even though ironically his mother was one.

 

 

That's probably why he doesn't want anything to do with them. He knows his mother's story. Why would he went to assist anyone in going through that?

 

Nothing wrong with his mother. That`s how she met his father. Although I do understand not wanting to be with someone who`s like your mother. I just don`t give a goddamn for their personal preferences as I want to make that decision in a friggin` videogame. I wanna be able to f*ck those bitches five days to Sunday!

[Fuzzknuckles]

You might want to look into the Japanese 'erotica' games then.

 

Sex in videogames is always highly embarassing, stilted and completely un-sexy. While I think it has a place in games, like any facet of real life, I think sex in games needs to be seriously over-hauled. At the moment, regardless of the quality of the game, it looks like a kid mashing two Barbie dolls together. No thanks.

[lastmanonearth]

You might want to look into the Japanese 'erotica' games then.

 

Sex in videogames is always highly embarassing, stilted and completely un-sexy. While I think it has a place in games, like any facet of real life, I think sex in games needs to be seriously over-hauled. At the moment, regardless of the quality of the game, it looks like a kid mashing two Barbie dolls together. No thanks.

I`ve looked into them, they`re just pictures and text, with endless lines text appearing on the screen, it`s friggin` ridiculous, those Japs are strange I tell you what. All I`m saying is, our actions shouldn`t be determined by the personality of the protagonist, especially when we can`t choose the protagonist`s personality. They could use the analog sticks, add some vibration for the climax, it`d be cool.

[Smith John]

Other than approaching heists differently and some minor cutscene differences depending on who you start a mission with (which you can watch on YouTube) GTA V's entire story and understanding can be encapsulated in one play through. It's not that deep IMO.

Well I was speaking about the game as a whole, but yes the different approachs CAN make a difference to how you perceive the narrative. For example, in arguably one of the more in-depth missions known as Bury The Hatchet, the mission will play out differently depending on who you approach the blip with- Michael or Trevor. If you approach it with Michael, you travel to the graveyard as him and get an over-voice recap of his exchange with Amanda over their move to Los Santos. You won't know about this if you approach the blip as Trevor. I didn't even know such an option was available until my third play through, and there are many more little touches like this to be found. Whether or not you found it deep enough is subjective. I just feel if you look hard enough without letting your obsession of a previous installment get in the way, it's there.

 

I've always felt most people who moan about GTA IV's story being boring and depressing have never finished it or once at the most. Are their opinions equally worthless as they haven't "scratched the surface"?

Yes, yes they are.

 

It's simple really like OG or not he's always been consistent in how he's felt about the story being weak. I doubt multiple play throughs would make him change his mind if that's how he's set it.

OG's mind was set the moment he established the game wasnt about all that ghetto crap he harped on about how much V MUST HAVE A HEAVY GANGBANGING INFLUENCE AS IT'S SET IN LOS SANTOS before the game released, and is all he ever harps on about it lacking since.

 

You call it consistency. I call it annoying.

[GRINCH ASS BITCH]

V's dialogue is f*cking God tier. Remember back like 1 week before the game was released and a bunch of audio files were leaked? A couple of my friends and I were amazed by just how good it was.

 

I criticize R* a lot due to some of their sh*tty decisions regarding V, but the dialogue (and accompanying animations) is fantastic.

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

You might want to look into the Japanese 'erotica' games then.

 

Sex in videogames is always highly embarassing, stilted and completely un-sexy. While I think it has a place in games, like any facet of real life, I think sex in games needs to be seriously over-hauled. At the moment, regardless of the quality of the game, it looks like a kid mashing two Barbie dolls together. No thanks.

I`ve looked into them, they`re just pictures and text, with endless lines text appearing on the screen, it`s friggin` ridiculous, those Japs are strange I tell you what. All I`m saying is, our actions shouldn`t be determined by the personality of the protagonist, especially when we can`t choose the protagonist`s personality. They could use the analog sticks, add some vibration for the climax, it`d be cool.

 

I have two words for you: Thrixxx.

 

But anyway, back on topic.

 

The thing about V's and IV's stories is that they're so wildly different, you can't really hold them up against each other. They have very different moods and reflect different times for R*. IV is bleak, dark and gritty, reflecting the aftermath of Hot Coffee, Jack Thompson and all the other sh*t they went through after San Andreas.

 

V's story is much more upbeat, outlandish and over the top, in part a reflection of the studio's successes with IV and Episodes..., but also to branch out away from the griminess of IV. To give everyone something a bit more cheery. They also reflect the cinematic trends of the time. IV was clearly influenced by films like A History of Violence, Eastern Promises and the many other high-violence movies of the era. Cinema has been flooded with a totally different sort of movie since then - films like Avengers, Transformers... like them or not, they are hugely successful and speak to a very broad audience. Some of that over-the-top madness has spilled into V, for sure.

 

Personally, I can't stand Transformers, but someone keeps watching those sh*tty movies, so we should all blame THEM.

[thafablifee46]

Yeah but then they made the game too damned easy like where is the challenge ? now 4 had some difficulty to it

[Fuzzknuckles]

Yeah but then they made the game too damned easy like where is the challenge ? now 4 had some difficulty to it

IMO it didn't. It had some really, really braindead missions that were stupidly difficult, but for 99% of the game, I sailed through it completing the missions first time. The mission where you pick up the boats with Phil Bell - pointlessly difficult due to the placement of enemies - but after a couple of attempts, easy enough - the real trick by R* here was sending you back to restart the mission, driving a sh*tty truck to the location each time - making it feel like the mission was longer and more involved than it really was. The finale missions each had a moment that was frustrating, but again, the missions themselves weren't actually that difficult.

 

V, IMO, is more challenging, thanks to the general asshat attitude of pedestrians and the robocops (who, if you know what you're doing, you can evade ridiculoulsy easily.)

[Osho]

If R* truly enter into the harcore difficulty ( meaning more challenging ) along with the Next-Gen ideas ( better AI ), then I could deal with any type of story. Story really doesn't attract me so much as the gameplay when it comes to GTA.

[golf wang]

V's story is much more upbeat, outlandish and over the top, in part a reflection of the studio's successes with IV and Episodes..., but also to branch out away from the griminess of IV. To give everyone something a bit more cheery. They also reflect the cinematic trends of the time. IV was clearly influenced by films like A History of Violence, Eastern Promises and the many other high-violence movies of the era. Cinema has been flooded with a totally different sort of movie since then - films like Avengers, Transformers... like them or not, they are hugely successful and speak to a very broad audience. Some of that over-the-top madness has spilled into V, for sure.

 

Personally, I can't stand Transformers, but someone keeps watching those sh*tty movies, so we should all blame THEM.

Damn, that's a really accurate observation. I never noticed that before, but it makes perfect sense. Spot on.

[im_stoned]

That's you're view and I disagree with it,

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

V's story is much more upbeat, outlandish and over the top, in part a reflection of the studio's successes with IV and Episodes..., but also to branch out away from the griminess of IV. To give everyone something a bit more cheery. They also reflect the cinematic trends of the time. IV was clearly influenced by films like A History of Violence, Eastern Promises and the many other high-violence movies of the era. Cinema has been flooded with a totally different sort of movie since then - films like Avengers, Transformers... like them or not, they are hugely successful and speak to a very broad audience. Some of that over-the-top madness has spilled into V, for sure.

 

Personally, I can't stand Transformers, but someone keeps watching those sh*tty movies, so we should all blame THEM.

Damn, that's a really accurate observation. I never noticed that before, but it makes perfect sense. Spot on.

 

I can't take much credit, one of the Housers pretty much said what I've said about IV there.

[golf wang]

I agree that the dialogue in V was generally more entertaining and well acted. I think GTA IV had a better crime story, but I found GTA V's story to be more entertaining. I love them both but I like V just a little better.

[HaythamKenway]

More "fun and lighthearted" doesn't have to mean wacky, flashy and dumb. Sometimes, less brooding and darkness is all that's needed. If there are two movies that heavily define V's feel and presentation, it's Heat and Drive. But neither of them were wacky, flashy or dumb. They weren't exactly what I would call "fun and lighthearted" either, but both of them were pretty popular with the audiences. And Drive came out in, what, 2011? 2012? So, really, if those two movies are the main sources for inspiration V has, why did we end up comparing the game to tongue-in-cheek funfest blockbusters like Avengers? Especially since the game itself shows Rockstar's higher artistic ambitions (which break once it goes LOL WACKY TREVOR XD at the same time)? Something just went wrong.

 

Hell do I really have to bring up that RDR was arguably even darker and more serious than IV, yet it sold just as good as IV - in the middle of post-IV backlash, I might add - and people still call it one of the best games of last generation.

Edited April 16, 2015 by HaythamKenway

[im_stoned]

 

Niko and Roman remind me so much of one of me and one of my best friends, Even in appearance I'm the skinner one, his the tubby one lol, His the more positive and upbeat guy, I'm the realist, That's alone made IV an amazing experience for me, that's probably the closest i'll get to seeing me and my mate in our own video game we're a lot like them in life too, at the bottom but making do with what we have,

 

The whole friendship vibe I got from IV is why I loved it, Niko and Roman had a lot of good friends who could be trusted and relied upon, People generally cared for each other,

 

V it was dog eat dog the whole time, It was a horrible place to be I don't know what people saw in that world, everybody was using everybody it was very hostile,

 

even frank and mic's relationship wasn't as strong as you'd like it to be,

[lastmanonearth]

^ At least in GTA V you have a family as Michael and they all do ultimately care for each other, and you end up being fairly well off, patching up relationships and it`s a happy ending (if that`s the ending you want.) In IV on the other hand I`ve lost count of the endless "friends" you turn on and execute in cold blood. That can only happen once in V, and only if you wish it to be so. You`re not given a choice often times in IV. Neither game gives you much choice, but GTA IV was a pretty depressing piece of work. The only depressing thing about V was, well everything. But the story wasn`t as depressing compared to IV`s even though it was too short for three protagonists and too rushed. The saddest thing about V is that it hyped up my expectations so high that I got bored of it so quickly and I only played it for a month or so, never going back.

even frank and mic's relationship wasn't as strong as you'd like it to be,

Definitely not, considering there`s an ending in which

Franklin kills Michael

But then again, apparently there`s an equally unpleasant ending that deals with

Niko and Roman

 

[Algonquin Assassin]

I don't recall Niko turning on his "friends" and killing them in cold blood. Think you might be confusing friends with business acquaintances because that's who he kills the majority of the time.

 

I guess Dwayne could count, but that's a choice. Most of the people Niko kills are assholes who have it come coming to them. He's certainly not "buddy, buddy" with them.

[The Green Sabre]

Hell, if he kills Dwayne, you can see that Niko's very regretful when he did it.

 

Compare that to Franklin nonchalantly considering leaving Lamar, his best friend, to die at the hands of the Ballas. No buildup, just straight up abandoning his best friend in his time of need.

[Fuzzknuckles]

his best friend, to die at the hands of the Ballas.

His best friend who on several occasions almost gets him killed, treats him like a fool, is unappreciative of the things Frank does for him, and is generally a low life loser that no one would really want in their life unless they could limit his existence to him making wisecracks and nothing else.

 

If I had a friend like that, I wouldn't have a friend like that.

[The Dedito Gae]

the Green Sabre has a point, Franklin, Michael and Trevor are sh*tty friends, Franklin considered leaving Lamar behind, Michael betrayed Trevor and wanted him dead and T treats his slaves/friends like sh*t, but we are missing the point of the thread, what OP is saying is that V is more "movie style" instead of looking like a real conversation like in IV , i'm not saying IV's style is bad, but V's cutscenes and dialogue is pretty good.

 

semi off-topic: is anazing how Osho will shoehorn his speech in any thread

[Son of Zeus]

No fear of OG on my end. I've handed his ass to him more times than I care to remember.

My post wasn't addressed to you.

 

 

Thing is, he actually has the capability to present the odd well constructed criticism, but he ruins it all with his childish behaviour of insulting other members' intelligence. It appears to be a robotic symptom of his.

Thing is, he actually makes effort and constructs in-depth posts which clearly express his opinion on a subject. The same can't be said about Boss302, who's posts usually are of 3-4 lines which either praise V or are sarcastic about some topic/member. His contribution to this topic:

 

"Ot- agree with you op"

 

Not exactly what you'd call in-depth. Maybe he should concentrate on constructing some detailed posts expressing his opinion on a topic.

 

About OG insulting others' intelligence, all I can say is that I haven't seen any posts of his along the lines of 'You retard' or 'You're a dumbass, you don't know sh*t, listen to me'.

 

 

That and the fact he seems to annoyingly indulge in turning anything positive thrown at this game into his usual recycled miserable negativity destroys any remaining credentials he has left.

We've had this discussion before, people are free to criticise the game as much as they want.

 

That said, the thing is that most of the threads here aren't exactly positive. They're either negative or open to discussions. The OP of this thread has posted his opinion on the dialogue being better than IV's. That's not a fact, hence people are free to disagree.

 

Take a look, currently there's only one strictly positive thread: Dog appreciation. Last I checked, OG hadn't made a negative post in that thread. The rest of the threads are either negative, neutral or speculative.

 

And as far as I remember, OG hasn't started any thread complaining about something in V. We'd be seeing bitching threads from him on a daily basis if he hated V that much.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Son of Zeus

[Fuzzknuckles]

It's not about starting threads, it's about being consistently negative in every thread he enters (except the gang life one, OG heaven.)

[The Dedito Gae]

@Son of Zeus

 

OG doesn't need a lawyer.

 

the guy is 90% negative matter about V, and yet, he posts on a daily basis in the V section beating the same dead horse, so getting the hate from others is just natural, it's not hard, everyone with half a brain can understand the concept of getting tiresome and OG certainly can be an annoying member in the V section.

[MrDeSanta]

storyline-wise where V beats IV are in my opinion

V>IV;

cutscenes (don`t need to explain further)

dialogues (again, crystal clear that the dialogues are better in V)

mission variety (V beats IV in this aspect any day)

pacing (IV was too slowly paced)

 

storyline-wise where IV beats V in my opinion

IV>V;

plot quality (less gaps and unexplained illogical details)

antagonists (no need for any further explanation)

side characters (way more memorable than in V)

endings (IV`s two endings aren`t exactly jaw dropping like it was in RDR for example but still miles ahead from V`s)

 

But keep in mind it`s just IMO

[redpoint]

I think all the HD GTA games have fallen way short of the standards set by the 3D universe, the 3D cut scenes were fun to watch, with the right balance of wit, comedy and seriousness, and great character building.

 

Of the two (IV & V), I think they were both poor, with IV being less sh*t than V.

[Official General]

Firstly, I'd like to give thanks to the guys calling out my name, I'm really enjoying this great fame and attention I'm receiving on here. I'm very much on the way to legendary status on GTA Forums, and I could not thank you enough, I'm so honoured !!

 

 

 

 

V had a story that should have been better organized and more fleshed out but there is still a lot of depth for people willing to look.

Sorry man, but it was so weak and boring that I had no further motivation to look even if I wanted to. In any case, there is nothing else more to see, V's story is what it is, a corny-ass Hollywood movie with weak writing and characters. I've seen and looked enough, nothing else is there.

For someone who claims to have only run through the campaign once and never touched it again, you've in no way, shape or form "seen and looked enough". You haven't even scratched the surface, mate.

It's like going to a restaurant, trying one of their meals, and then judging the entire menu on said meal. As far as I'm concerned, any conclusion of an opinion on something will only be taken serious if the item(s) being critiqued are tried and tested in full before drawing the conclusion.

In other words, if the limited amount of time you so often claim to have afforded this game is sincere, then your opinions are pretty worthless.

 

 

I'm respond with to this with a quote from Miami that sums up my response perfectly

 

It's simple really like OG or not he's always been consistent in how he's felt about the story being weak. I doubt multiple play throughs would make him change his mind if that's how he's set it.

 

There you have it. To me, V's story is a pile of corny Hollywood bullsh*t. So far, there is nothing that will change this perception for me.

 

 

No fear of OG on my end. I've handed his ass to him more times than I care to remember.

 

Ha ha ! No you haven't bro. You just launch constant personal attacks on my opinions, but you never dent my armor. Your bullsh*t to me is like bullets deflecting off my skin, trust me I've never seen it that way.

 

@ Fuzz

 

I've analyzed the story of V many times, I'm not going over that again, well it's not necessary for me to do so just to hear you cry at my 'negativity' again. I don't have a problem with others enjoying V's story or any other aspect of it, but if someone makes a thread or post that I feel the need to respond to, then I will, whether its negative or positive.

 

Cinema has been flooded with a totally different sort of movie since then - films like Avengers, Transformers... like them or not, they are hugely successful and speak to a very broad audience. Some of that over-the-top madness has spilled into V, for sure.

 

If that's really the case, then Rockstar have lost their marbles, or their studios are full of developers will bullsh*t, follow-fashion, sheep-minded ideas. How laughable those influences are for a GTA game. If this is what Rockstar wanna do with future GTA storylines, then anticipate more V-standard rubbish writing in future GTA titles.

 

@ Son Of Zeus

 

And as far as I remember, OG hasn't started any thread complaining about something in V. We'd be seeing bitching threads from him on a daily basis if he hated V that much.

 

Exactly - I've stated this many times, but they don't wanna know - " Forget the guys actually making the negative threads, lets get the guys who only contribute to it, simply because we don't like they say".

Edited April 16, 2015 by Official General