U.S. Presidential Election 2016

[Stephan90]

Just to make it clear I thought it is possible that these camps could have been build as a shelter in the case of natural disasters. And I don't think it is unlikely that the government could build "800 shelters" from natural disasters, but which could also be misused if someone is in charge, who wants to misuse them.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Stephan90

[Queen]

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EsmXwpQP4

 

That was worse than awful. And people still support him after that truly nauseating display of blind patriotism?!

 

Look everyone, it's the Trump Youth!

 

But in all fairness, Obama did something similar in his original campaign, and people said it was creepy too.

[Stephan90]

Obama had this

 

 

[sivispacem]

Natural disaster response is reactive. Why would the US government waste money building and manning hundreds of accommodation camps for disaster victims when they're aren't any disaster victims to accommodate?

[Stephan90]

Natural disaster response is reactive. Why would the US government waste money building and manning hundreds of accommodation camps for disaster victims when they're aren't any disaster victims to accommodate?

 

Why coulnd't they prepare for an earth quake in the West ( a big earth quake is expected in the future) or a new big hurricane in the south east?! Natural disasters will occur more frequently in the future due to climate change and their location is not completely random. tha f*ck do I know?! I am not working for FEMA.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Stephan90

[sivispacem]

Because they don't actually know where they're going to happen, or when. We're talking vast expanses, tens of thousands of square miles which are more susceptible to particular natural disasters. But yeah, Occam's razor dat sh*t.

[X S]

I've always kept the personal insults to a minimum, but considering I already dislike Cruz, his recent comments about New York are where I draw the line. I take it personally for what this sniveling and creepy little bible-thumping fa**ot who thinks of New York values. Are they somehow inferior to the backwater swamps of Mississippi where they f*ck their cousins? Seriously, not wise to insult the 20 million citizens of the tri-state area.

 

[gooeyhole]

Tell you what, we'll take back Ted, you can have Trudeau. He's better than Hillary and probably Bernie.

 

I have no clue what Cruz was thinking, attacking a state like that? Sure he's right about how left leaning it is, but you spin that, not insult the people living there. His wife is from New York, or at least works in new York, so again, what the hell?

[Svip]

Tell you what, we'll take back Ted, you can have Trudeau. He's better than Hillary and probably Bernie.

 

Isn't Trudeau the best Prime Minister Canada has had since... well... the last Trudeau?

 

I have no clue what Cruz was thinking, attacking a state like that? Sure he's right about how left leaning it is, but you spin that, not insult the people living there. His wife is from New York, or at least works in new York, so again, what the hell?

 

Well, from a political standpoint, it actually makes sense. Cruz has no hope of ever winning in New York. Not in the primaries nor in the general election (should he be the nominee). Of course, other non-New York entities will felt hurt by the same insult, because he is more focusing on 'big city' values. So while Chicago, Los Angeles and what have you may not see eye to eye with New York, it's not like they are rubbing their hands in glee as Cruz insults New York, but rather feels it as an attack on them as well.

 

This is part of the classic 'dividing America' strategy. This is an old Republican strategy, you may remember it from 2008 with Sarah Palin talking about 'Real America' as opposed to some part of the United States that wasn't 'really' part of that country. Because, urban centres in the United States often tend to lean towards the Democrats, while rural areas lean more to the Republicans.

 

So it doesn't matter if California, New York or Illinois goes to the Democrats, they already know that, they'd rather focus on the swing states like Florida and Ohio, where an appeal to rural areas might have an effect, because neither state lacks an all-dominating big city (or cities like California) that basically leans the outcome of the state one way. It's also a way to ensure that voters in the more safe Republican states will get out and vote.

 

Of course, that's one way of strategising, but I don't think Cruz is playing that long term a game here. In fact, I think he is playing it incredibly short term. Iowa is mostly a rural area (or at least its inhabitants think it is[1]), and they don't really like 'big city slickers' telling them what to do. They also consider them amoral and way too progressive. This is of course an simplification, but in general terms, it is accurate enough. Cruz is basically just trying to solidify his chances to win in Iowa come 1 February.

 

Long term however, I think it will come back to haunt him. There is a reason why the Republican party did not try this strategy again in 2012, because it definitely did not yield the desired result in 2008. Should Cruz do well, his New York remarks and his dividing of the United States will not make him one for leading all of the United States. If you are a leader of a country, then be leader of the entire country.

 

[1] There is evidence that Iowa isn't as rural as we think it is, but that's another story.

[gooeyhole]

 

Tell you what, we'll take back Ted, you can have Trudeau. He's better than Hillary and probably Bernie.

 

Isn't Trudeau the best Prime Minister Canada has had since... well... the last Trudeau?

 

I have no clue what Cruz was thinking, attacking a state like that? Sure he's right about how left leaning it is, but you spin that, not insult the people living there. His wife is from New York, or at least works in new York, so again, what the hell?

 

Well, from a political standpoint, it actually makes sense. Cruz has no hope of ever winning in New York. Not in the primaries nor in the general election (should he be the nominee). Of course, other non-New York entities will felt hurt by the same insult, because he is more focusing on 'big city' values. So while Chicago, Los Angeles and what have you may not see eye to eye with New York, it's not like they are rubbing their hands in glee as Cruz insults New York, but rather feels it as an attack on them as well.

 

This is part of the classic 'dividing America' strategy. This is an old Republican strategy, you may remember it from 2008 with Sarah Palin talking about 'Real America' as opposed to some part of the United States that wasn't 'really' part of that country. Because, urban centres in the United States often tend to lean towards the Democrats, while rural areas lean more to the Republicans.

 

So it doesn't matter if California, New York or Illinois goes to the Democrats, they already know that, they'd rather focus on the swing states like Florida and Ohio, where an appeal to rural areas might have an effect, because neither state lacks an all-dominating big city (or cities like California) that basically leans the outcome of the state one way. It's also a way to ensure that voters in the more safe Republican states will get out and vote.

 

Of course, that's one way of strategising, but I don't think Cruz is playing that long term a game here. In fact, I think he is playing it incredibly short term. Iowa is mostly a rural area (or at least its inhabitants think it is[1]), and they don't really like 'big city slickers' telling them what to do. They also consider them amoral and way too progressive. This is of course an simplification, but in general terms, it is accurate enough. Cruz is basically just trying to solidify his chances to win in Iowa come 1 February.

 

Long term however, I think it will come back to haunt him. There is a reason why the Republican party did not try this strategy again in 2012, because it definitely did not yield the desired result in 2008. Should Cruz do well, his New York remarks and his dividing of the United States will not make him one for leading all of the United States. If you are a leader of a country, then be leader of the entire country.

 

[1] There is evidence that Iowa isn't as rural as we think it is, but that's another story.

 

Uhm, Trudeau wasn't anything to call grandma about. The sequel is even worse, because Justin lacks the conviction his father did, he's part of a trio of Canadian f*ckery I'd like to go into on a Canadian politics thread. Speaking of Canadian politics, mini-Trump Kevin O'Leary is considering running for the conservative party.

 

I'd chalk up attacking other states or "dividing" as another failed tactic, like trying to win Mexican voters. All of these big money backed guys always follow some outdated method that never works out in the end at least in the GOP.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Canadian Badass

[Svip]

I'd chalk up attacking other states or "dividing" as another failed tactic, like trying to win Mexican voters. All of these big money backed guys always follow some outdated method that never works out in the end at least in the GOP.

 

Again, Cruz will likely win in the short term (i.e. by winning Iowa), but won't win much in the long term and will probably damage his campaign. Because it also puts him in a bit of an awkward position, either he means it or he doesn't. By which I mean; if he backs down or doesn't repeat the attack again, then he was just full of hot air? Even if he doesn't apologise, some of his supporters who might actually agree with him (by - you know - not liking New York) not find that appropriate, as if he is not sticking to his guns. But if he keeps up the attacks, he will find himself alienating both New York itself, but also moderates living elsewhere, who finds it inappropriate to be dividing the country like that.

 

Although, frankly, I think he is just planning to blurb it out now and then hopefully damage Trump's chances in Iowa, win Iowa and then move on. But quite frankly, I do actually think that Cruz was being honest for once.

[Ai®a©ob®a]

Natural disaster response is reactive. Why would the US government waste money building and manning hundreds of accommodation camps for disaster victims when they're aren't any disaster victims to accommodate?

They're trying to show that they won't get caught with their pants down again like they did after Katrina

[El Dildo]

hi friend

 

Bernie is still not going to win

He still won't win

bro.

what are you so afraid of, bro?

 

[El Dildo]

democratic debate is live in case anyone cares

 

 

[X S]

I like the way Bernie pronounces America, just like a true Brooklynite, "Ameriker".

[Not A Nice Person]

I'm watching it live on NBC, love O' Malley, so smooth!

https:///v/iOUtb91tzLI

my fav quote so far

[El Dildo]

poor OMalley.

 

can't get a word in edge wise.

[Not A Nice Person]

I've always kept the personal insults to a minimum, but considering I already dislike Cruz, his recent comments about New York are where I draw the line. I take it personally for what this sniveling and creepy little bible-thumping fa**ot who thinks of New York values. Are they somehow inferior to the backwater swamps of Mississippi where they f*ck their cousins? Seriously, not wise to insult the 20 million citizens of the tri-state area.

 

He's so dumb, he could be going against Trump but he just ruins it. Being a new yorker, honestly he could just go f*ck himself since no one here would vote for his Robin Williams in drag looking ass anyway.

 

And about trudeau, he's governing Canada, isn't that much easier than the us president (atleast nowadays)

Edited January 18, 2016 by Sayuri

[X S]

He's so dumb, he could be going against Trump but he just ruins it. Being a new yorker, honestly he could just go f*ck himself since no one here would vote for his Robin Williams in drag looking ass anyway.

 

The media is discussing that this has hurt him more than it has benefited him, and now the Republican establishment is coming to terms and rationalizing the reality that Trump may become the nominee. Bottom line, if you can win primaries, you can win the nomination, even without the support of the party establishment. They're just going to have to deal with it, whether they like it or not.

[Not A Nice Person]

 

He's so dumb, he could be going against Trump but he just ruins it. Being a new yorker, honestly he could just go f*ck himself since no one here would vote for his Robin Williams in drag looking ass anyway.

 

The media is discussing that this has hurt him more than it has benefited him, and now the Republican establishment is coming to terms and rationalizing the reality that Trump may become the nominee. Bottom line, if you can win primaries, you can win the nomination, even without the support of the party establishment. They're just going to have to deal with it, whether they like it or not.

 

Well the republican party is a mess, a whole bunch of candidates no one cares for, Cruz could be going against him and I'm sure the party would've nominated him but he decided to speak from his a*s so that's over. You really gotta give it to Trump, people are talking about him but he turns it into an opportunity to gain more loyal followers.

 

In other news Bernie won the debate, he took the motherf*cker and slashed its throat.

[Svip]

I personally believe that Cruz and Sanders are the most underrated candidates of this presidential election cycle. But since X S was talking about Cruz, let's start with him.

 

Cruz appeals to the same crowd as Trump does. But ironically, it is Trump's campaign that has made Cruz's chances of winning the nomination far more likely. The party establishment is not interested in Cruz as their nominee. But they are far less interested in Trump. As such, Cruz may seem like a good compromise candidate should Trump remain strong all the way into summer.

 

Again, Cruz's chances largely hinges on how well Trump is doing. If the is establishment is serious about beaten both of these men, they should all drop out but one and unite behind him. Like, say, Rubio. But maybe the Republicans really in disarray.

 

Let's talk Sanders. I actually think the recent surges in polls and Clinton's stumbling is an indicator of things to come. I may sound over optimistic, but Sanders benefits from people paying attention, and now they are about to vote, people will start paying attention.

 

There is also another thing about the Democratic race that people are not talking about; Clinton's baggage. Currently there is a huge FBI investigation into Clinton's email case. If the conclusion is she is guilty, her campaign is obviously in serious trouble. And President Obama can't just pardon her as it would ruin his legacy plus damage the Democrats' chances of winning anyway. In such a case, I predict two scenarios (depending on how well Sanders is doing): If Sanders is doing well, they will probably rally around him as a compromise, but if he is not, then they might bring in Biden for the convention to take the nomination.

 

Indeed, the concept of two brokered conventions this year is not actually that far-fetched.

[Creed Bratton]

Cruz is Trump without being a complete clown. He gets to be almost as bad and fascist as Trump without completely tipping over. He's smart enough to behave like a somewhat decent human being on stage and he knows how to pretend to be smarter than he really is. Trump is just a complete imbecile.

 

I really want to see Hillary indicted. It would make my day.

[make total destroy]

In other news Bernie won the debate, he took the motherf*cker and slashed its throat.

 

 

 

 

 

nah reddit just brigaded a couple online polls

[Svip]

Indeed, my initial reaction was also that those polls do not look scientific at all. Commentators seem to be of the idea that it was a dead heat between Sanders and Clinton. But let's way for the next batch of polls to see if it had an effect.

[make total destroy]

Bernie just needs to take a few more internet polls and the presidency is his tbh

[Svip]

Bernie just needs to take a few more internet polls and the presidency is his tbh

In that scenario, he might just lose to Hitler and Colbert.

[Stephan90]

And "crippled America" is mein Kampf then?

[seven50iL]

I am not into Bernie nor Hilary, but I feel like they made Hilary look more youthful and healthier compared to Bernie. Another weird thing was when O Malley asked for 10 more seconds to answer a question and got denied. If you guy's watched the Republican debate (Which I highly recommend seeing if you like politics and have a few laughs here and there) you would already now there was a few occasions that candidates went over the buzzer for at least 10-15 seconds; without any issues what so ever. So why were they so hard on him? It's not like there was several people on stage and they need to meet the schedule; which is understandable to a extent but in this case, there was only 3 people.

 

Just sayin'

[X S]

MTD beat me to it. If anyone remembers the Ron Paul campaign of '12, he won every single online poll because 20-somethings from 4chan and Facebook used to raid them.

 

And like Bernie, Paul was actually winning some polls in Iowa that year, so even when it looked like he might actually win it, the establishment got behind Santorum as a way to throw off any efforts of the fervent Paul supporters. Santorum never won another primary after that, and Iowa is supposed to be a predictor of the eventual winner. Look at the entrance polls of the caucus, all young kids, low income, independent moderates, the same group of Reddit bloggers that Bernie appeals to.

 

[GTA_stu]

Online polls are always heavily unrepresentative of the general population, you might as well just take a poll of care homes and retirement villages and say "woah looks like Matlock might be president."