U.S. Presidential Election 2016

[BRITLAND]

I wonder who Sanders would pick as his running mate if he actually were to win the Dem. nomination. Most would say Warren but I think he would be better with someone younger (someone under 60) plus I think she would be more effective in the cabinet as Treasury Secretary or just remaining as a Senator. Perhaps one of Anthony Foxx, Julian Castro, Cory Booker or Martin O'Malley?

 

I think Nikki Haley seems like a good and likely choice for whoever wins the GOP vote.

Edited September 11, 2015 by BRITLAND

[X S]

I wonder who Sanders would pick as his running mate if he actually were to win the Dem. nomination. Most would say Warren but I think he would be better with someone younger (someone under 60) plus I think she would be more effective in the cabinet as Treasury Secretary or just remaining as a Senator. Perhaps one of Anthony Foxx, Julian Castro, Cory Booker or Martin O'Malley?

 

I think Nikki Haley seems like a good and likely choice for whoever wins the GOP vote.

 

Cory Booker is a good choice, and I think he's already setting himself up for a run in 2020. I don't always agree with him, but he's a brash politician, not afraid to speak his mind, has been very critical of his own party, and I admire that.

 

As for the GOP, I can't see Trump picking any of his fellow contenders. I'm sure he'd be more willing to shock the media with a decision from someone outside of mainstream politics.

[Queen]

Rick Perry has dropped out...again.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/rick-perry-2016-campaign-suspended/

[Dingdongs]

Rick Perry has dropped out...again.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/rick-perry-2016-campaign-suspended/

Trump was right about him. "Perry wears those glasses so he looks smarter"

[Queen]

 

Rick Perry has dropped out...again.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/rick-perry-2016-campaign-suspended/

Trump was right about him. "Perry wears those glasses so he looks smarter"

 

And yet Trump tweets: "@GovernorPerry is a terrific guy and I wish him well- I know he will have a great future!"

Edited September 12, 2015 by Queen

[Dingdongs]

 

 

Rick Perry has dropped out...again.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/rick-perry-2016-campaign-suspended/

Trump was right about him. "Perry wears those glasses so he looks smarter"

 

And yet Trump tweets: "@GovernorPerry is a terrific guy and I wish him well- I know he will have a great future!"

 

Should've beaten him while he was down to really show him. Man that's the thing I agreed with Trump the most this campaign cycle though. Those f*cking glasses on Perry lololol

[Queen]

Oh dear lord...

 

 

[BRITLAND]

Article showing the Don's superb "trumping" knowledge of foreign affairs:

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/donald-trump-just-accidentally-revealed-he-has-no-idea-who-jeremy-corbyn-is--Wk4hSNRgUe?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

"Self-described "really smart person" Donald Trump has tweeted a false message of support, revealing that he does not know who Jeremy Corbyn is.

Trump replied “Great” to Twitter user @HamishP95 who tweeted him, using a picture of the new Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn."


Donald J. Trump
✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump
"@HamishP95: @realDonaldTrump My Dad is thinking of voting for the first time ever for you. pic.twitter.com/1u9qi8qUPc" Great.


Charles Lawley ‎@CharlesLawley

[email protected] @HamishP95 No flies on your foreign affairs knowledge is there Don?



‎@MlSSTHOT

@realDonaldTrump we need Donald Trump I'm sick of having uneducated men running our country


Ryan Brown ‎@Toadsanime

@MlSSTHOT @realDonaldTrump You mean uneducated people that don't realise they're being fooled into tweeting British political leaders?

Edited September 12, 2015 by BRITLAND

[Dingdongs]

Article showing the Don's superb "trumping" knowledge of foreign affairs:

 

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/donald-trump-just-accidentally-revealed-he-has-no-idea-who-jeremy-corbyn-is--Wk4hSNRgUe?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

 

"Self-described "really smart person" Donald Trump has tweeted a false message of support, revealing that he does not know who Jeremy Corbyn is.

 

Trump replied Great to Twitter user @HamishP95 who tweeted him, using a picture of the new Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn."

 

 

Donald J. Trump

✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump

"@HamishP95: @realDonaldTrump My Dad is thinking of voting for the first time ever for you. pic.twitter.com/1u9qi8qUPc" Great.

 

 

Charles Lawley ‎@CharlesLawley

 

[email protected] @HamishP95 No flies on your foreign affairs knowledge is there Don?

 

 

 

‎@MlSSTHOT

 

@realDonaldTrump we need Donald Trump I'm sick of having uneducated men running our country

 

 

Ryan Brown ‎@Toadsanime

 

@MlSSTHOT @realDonaldTrump You mean uneducated people that don't realise they're being fooled into tweeting British political leaders?

 

 

he has a lot of money

[El Dildo]

he should run for governor of some state.

 

you can buy a governorship.

you cannot buy the presidency.

[gooeyhole]

he should run for governor of some state.

 

you can buy a governorship.

you cannot buy the presidency.

 

I'm pretty sure the Bush oil money played a part in the Al Gore clusterf*cker - either that or I'm underrating the power of the electoral colleges or w/e.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Canadian Badass

[El Dildo]

a conservative Supreme Court handed GWB the presidency but that's a different argument for a different topic...

[gooeyhole]

a conservative Supreme Court handed GWB the presidency but that's a different argument for a different topic...

I thought it was Gore who won the most votes but the college thingy gave Bush the advantage?

[Dingdongs]

 

a conservative Supreme Court handed GWB the presidency but that's a different argument for a different topic...

I thought it was Gore who won the most votes but the college thingy gave Bush the advantage?

The issue was the state of Florida and the way they tabulated their votes. In short the Supreme Court ordered that the recount had to be halted and the votes tabulated and with what was there Bush won. I believe they looked at it like two years later though and Gore won but legally Bush won per order of the court.

[TheGodDamnMaster]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/253509-poll-sanders-up-by-10-points-in-iowa

 

God dammit. I really want to believe, but I just know he's not going to win. I was on the Ron Paul hive-mind hype train back in '12 and it only seemed like he had a chance due to widespread popularity with the younger and less educated voters on social media. I've a feeling this sh*t's going to happen with Bernie as well. I will still be voting for him in the primaries in April just to show my support for the guy, but I don't know if I believe people are ready for someone who actually wants to help them. Nothing against other candidates, it just would seem to me that Sanders' stances resonate the most with the sentiments of the middle class.

[Skeever]

You never know, he has been surging several polls in the past few months. To be honest, though, a large portion of Sanders' supporters are Millennials, and from what I understand only about 1 in 5 people in the US between the ages of 18 and 25 participate in the voting process. Even though your vote in itself doesn't make a real difference to the outcome of the election, I'd still show your support for him by getting out and voting if you can. I mean, if everyone held the attitude of "my one vote is useless, what's the point of even voting?" then no one would ever get elected.

2016 could be an interesting year, though. Even if most of the candidates are clowns.

[gooeyhole]

Issue with Sanders is that he doesn't appeal to the moderates.

[Queen]

You've got a point, Canadian Badass. Bernie is very far left. I usually prefer a more moderate candidate.

[gooeyhole]

Which is why if it somehow came down to Trump vs. Sanders, the moderates will go with Trump because he's more familiar to them. I have no stats to back this up though so I might as well be saying nothing.

[Queen]

No, I get what you're saying. Trump is definitely more moderate than Sanders. You know, watching those two in a debate would be very entertaining. As far as I know, Sanders won't bash other candidates. In fact, I think he vowed he would never succumb to that kind of behavior. But if it were just him and Trump, maybe he'd stoop to that level. Which is quite childish, and I really wish it'd go out of style. But Trump seems to be taking it to another dimension.

[gooeyhole]

That's what Sanders has to avoid. Trump will bring him down to sh*t flinging and we all know Trump has the biggest turd. Sanders has to stump the Trump by talking about sh*t he doesn't understand to make people assume Sanders is the intellectual.

 

The best debate would be Biden/Trump, though. Two old men who don't give a f*ck.

[Eutyphro]

Are you guys having a laugh? The billionaire right wing jingoist idiot who throws around personal insults and makes racist remarks about Mexicans is the moderate, and the social democrat is the radical? Only in America...

[gooeyhole]

Are you guys having a laugh? The billionaire right wing jingoist idiot who throws around personal insults and makes racist remarks about Mexicans is the moderate, and the social democrat is the radical? Only in America...

To be fair he's actually been misquoted. I'm not saying he isn't an idiot...but there's been times I feel as if he's been given a raw deal by both sides of the media. It isn't that he's "radical"...Sanders doesn't appeal to moderates because often moderates don't care about the things he (Sanders) wants to do. The whole free sh*t lol part of his campaign strikes a chord with millennials, but Trump's take-no-sh*t appeals to the older undecided crowd. People do tend to lean right as they get older. Sanders isn't an extremist by European standards, he'd be a moderate in a Scandinavian country, but by the U.S's warped left/right way of thinking he can be called that, especially for a candidate with major traction.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Canadian Badass

[Tyler]

You've got a point, Canadian Badass. Bernie is very far left. I usually prefer a more moderate candidate.

 

Nah he really isn't. Sanders is a standard social democrat (self-described) who pays into the electoral system and would operate by the same checks and balances that every other politician in this country does. As a result, his legislative record ends up being pretty moderate. Beyond that, he isn't very far left ideologically: he doesn't want to dismantle the authority of capitalism, he doesn't want to organize workers or nationalize the means of production, and he is of course at least a little pro-status quo-- otherwise he would not be a participant in the system. He's not a bad guy by any means, but he is definitely not a far left candidate.

 

No, I get what you're saying. Trump is definitely more moderate than Sanders. You know, watching those two in a debate would be very entertaining. As far as I know, Sanders won't bash other candidates. In fact, I think he vowed he would never succumb to that kind of behavior. But if it were just him and Trump, maybe he'd stoop to that level. Which is quite childish, and I really wish it'd go out of style. But Trump seems to be taking it to another dimension.

 

This statement in total leads me to a point I want to make about Trump: he is an enigma. A sort-of dangerous one given his popularity. People seem to see him as this folk hero who will "say what's on [their] mind" and won't be a typical politician. They imbue him with this, and they say that he is someone who won't mess around like American politicians-- on top of this they say his business and leadership acumen makes him someone they can trust. However, his entering into the race was proceeded by stark changes in his policies and rhetoric: he immediately adopted a hardline social conservative stance on immigration that plays into a fear many Americans have (according to his spike in popularity following these odd and offensive remarks). It is clearly marketed thinking, and he's clearly a capable person who understands what people want to hear to a degree. I just find it dangerous that everyone seems to give in to it so easily. He is essentially a charlatan who hops from one success to another and stays afloat thanks only to his immense starting advantages and ability to turn his failures and shortcomings into advantages. It's one of the slimiest careers around. To see it slithering into the political sphere so overtly (and successfully) is alarming.

[gooeyhole]

I don't think Trump's that deep. People forget Trump has sensible opinions on taxation and people do agree with him on a sctricter border (me included).

 

It isn't dangerous that the most confident, brash, unpredictable guy is the most viable to the public eye. Appearance, plus the way you carry yourself, mean a lot to some people, as shallow as that is. Trump to me is either two things.

 

1. A moderate who leans right who hates the Democratic party and the GOP. He wants both to be better and is entering the race in a "I wouldn't be running if everybody wasn't sh*t" campaign.

 

2. If his Clinton relationship is true, he's a grenade thrown in the middle of the GOP so if Hilldawg gets the nod she can be handed the presidency. Trump would have to drop out of the race at the point where the party is on fire and have nobody electable.

 

I don't hate him as much as other people do...but I don't take him very seriously and his lack of knowledge on foreign policy is unnerving.

[Skeever]

Are you guys having a laugh? The billionaire right wing jingoist idiot who throws around personal insults and makes racist remarks about Mexicans is the moderate, and the social democrat is the radical? Only in America...

To be fair, ol' Donald has called out the Republicans on a lot of their bullsh*t as well as the Democrats, so I wouldn't consider him to be a radical right-winger. He's more of a right-leaning Independent, if you ask me.

 

When it comes to the United States and its political spectrum, Sanders is considered to be a radical leftist, given his socialist views. Sure, he may only be considered to be a moderate with Europe's political spectrum, but he is a socialist, and he is running for presidency in the United States, so that's how he's going to be viewed in the US.

[Queen]

 

Are you guys having a laugh? The billionaire right wing jingoist idiot who throws around personal insults and makes racist remarks about Mexicans is the moderate, and the social democrat is the radical? Only in America...

To be fair, ol' Donald has called out the Republicans on a lot of their bullsh*t as well as the Democrats, so I wouldn't consider him to be a radical right-winger. He's more of a right-leaning Independent, if you ask me.

 

When it comes to the United States and its political spectrum, Sanders is considered to be a radical leftist, given his socialist views. Sure, he may only be considered to be a moderate with Europe's political spectrum, but he is a socialist, and he is running for presidency in the United States, so that's how he's going to be viewed in the US.

 

To be clear, that's what I was saying. I'm only concerned with how he is viewed in the US. For many Americans, including my own father (who is conservative), Sanders is a socialist. Nothing more, nothing less. I wish my father would give him more of a chance, but alas that's how some people think in this country. They're too blind to look to the other side, if that makes sense.

[Fonz]

When it comes to the United States and its political spectrum, Sanders is considered to be a radical leftist, given his socialist views. Sure, he may only be considered to be a moderate with Europe's political spectrum, but he is a socialist, and he is running for presidency in the United States, so that's how he's going to be viewed in the US.

 

 

He isn't a socialist, though; he's a social-democrat. While it seems like a pedantic distinction, it's really a huge difference. Social-democracy basically tries to reconcile socializing measures on social issues (healthcare, welfare etc.) with capitalism. Socialism, whether revolutionary or reformist, is a rejection of capitalism. This has nothing to do with whether he's seen as a radical in the US or not—he just isn't a socialist at all... not even close.

[Skeever]

Last I heard, he was a self-described "democratic socialist" and made no complaints about being referred to as a socialist, even going so far as to explain to the American public as to why socialism is not a bad thing. Regardless, his ideologies are foreign to the US, which is why he isn't finding common ground with the Republicans or Democrats in this country.

[Fonz]

Last I heard, he was a self-described "democratic socialist" and made no complaints about being referred to as a socialist, even going so far as to explain to the American public as to why socialism is not a bad thing. Regardless, his ideologies are foreign to the US, which is why he isn't finding common ground with the Republicans or Democrats in this country.

Yeah, I can agree with that last assessment. Well, if Sanders calling himself a socialist will help rehabilitate the term for the rest of us actual socialists, I'm all for it Debate may even become less of a pain in the ass, though I'm not too sure about that...