U.S. Presidential Election 2016

[Spuds725]

I think the "debate" is starting to drift.... back on topic please.

[Svip]

My country's contribution to this election:

 

 

More information.

[Spaghetti Cat]

Bunch of dirty foreigners jumping on public transportation to vote in the US election, knew this whole thing was rigged.

[Saggy]

 

The American Middle class: So downtrodden we paint the back of our gas guzzling pickup trucks like they were billboards. You know he probably bitches about taxes being too high for him to make ends meet too.

[jatiger13]

Lol, like if anyone is going to see that idiot's tailgate and then change their mind. "Well, I was gonna vote for Hillary, but now......."

[Skeever]

The American Middle class: So downtrodden we paint the back of our gas guzzling pickup trucks like they were billboards. You know he probably bitches about taxes being too high for him to make ends meet too.

Way to lump America's entire middle-class in with one guy who decided to decorate his tailgate in Bumf*ck, Washington.

 

Somehow, I have to doubt you would've taken the time to snap a picture in traffic, upload it on imgur and then complain about it on here if it were a pro-Hillary ad on their vehicle, instead going about your day as usual.

[Clem Fandango]

It's hilarious that you Skeever, a fanatical American conservative, deride Clinton as a 'war-mongering' candidate. Every Republican candidate supports immediate war with Iran, promises to launch the missiles as soon as they win the election. Trump has said nothing on the matter, mainly because he has no idea what policies the Republicans pursue and nobody has bothered to tell him. I actually laughed out loud at your new sig.

 

 

 

Way to lump America's entire middle-class in with one guy who decided to decorate his tailgate in Bumf*ck, Washington.

Yeah especially when the American 'middle class' is 100% of the population.

[Saggy]

 

The American Middle class: So downtrodden we paint the back of our gas guzzling pickup trucks like they were billboards. You know he probably bitches about taxes being too high for him to make ends meet too.

Way to lump America's entire middle-class in with one guy who decided to decorate his tailgate in Bumf*ck, Washington.

 

Somehow, I have to doubt you would've taken the time to snap a picture in traffic, upload it on imgur and then complain about it on here if it were a pro-Hillary ad on their vehicle, instead going about your day as usual.

 

Oh I'm glad you liked that, I mean I can't compete with conservatives generalizations of minorities and the poor but I try.

 

Well, it's not really a complaint, as much as it is a "Haha wow look at f*cking stupid this guy is," moment. So yeah if you could find a Hilary supporter stupid enough to pimp out their Prius that's covered with Coexist stickers, yeah I might find it as bitingly ironic, but something tells me that just won't happen, Trump's campaign is kind of monopolizing all the idiots.

 

This picture just epitomizes everything I find hilarious about the conservative rhetoric of this country right now... Here is this horribly fuel inefficient vehicle that's probably eating away $400 a month in gasoline, and what is the guy using it for? To haul 5 aluminium pipes. Meanwhile, his chosen political party constantly bitches about how the American Middle class is too financially downtrodden to to make ends meet... Yet apparently he has the disposable income to paint his truck up like a billboard. Yeah if you can't see the biting irony here, it kind of makes sense why you're a Trump supporter.

Edited October 28, 2016 by SagaciousKJB

[Creed Bratton]

There are quite a few idiots in the Democratic camp too. Primarily all the black people who voted for Hillary instead of Bernie Sanders in the primaries. They have no choice now of course, because Trump is worse. But when they had a choice they chose like morons. Clintons are behind the three strikes law which has ruined many a black lives. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders has a history of being a civil rights activist. But it takes a special kind of idiot to deny that Trump supporters are mostly idiots.

Edited October 28, 2016 by The Yokel

[X S]

FBI is reopening the case on Hillary.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/fbi-probing-new-clinton-emails.html

 

If I had to guess, Kim Dotcom wasn't kidding when he told Gowdy how to obtain the "deleted" 33,000 e-mails. FBI claims they're "new" and "pertinent" to the case.

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-kim-dotcom-says-deleted-mails-can-be-recovered-2437812

Edited October 28, 2016 by X S

[El Dildo]

I actually laughed out loud at your new sig.

yeah that's pretty great.

you know someone has gone off the deep end when they overhaul their signature into a malicious political advertisement. is this CNN.com or GTAF??

 

Hillary was just doing her job as Sec of State and suddenly she's the warmonger.

Skeever and those of his mindset conveniently seem to forget that the only reason we're stuck in the middle of 3 different wars with no end in sight is because Republicans and the Bush administration falsified evidence and mislead the public and lied to the United Nations about Afghanistan and Iraq and Saddam Hussein. the Bush administration started multiple illegal wars and brought back the hideous legacy of torture and black-site prisons where men are held without trial and without charges; completely damning our position of moral authority and defying international treaties that the US had signed long ago.

 

thanks George Bush.

thanks Dick Cheney.

thanks Donald Rumsfeld [see? not the first time a Donald has raped America]

 

but suddenly Hillary is the warmonger who's going to magically reinstate the draft?

you guys are completely retarded.

Edited October 28, 2016 by El Diablo

[make total destroy]

To be fair, Clinton is a war monger. Of course, that doesn't mean Trump is somehow 'anti-war'.

[Svip]

FBI is reopening the case on Hillary.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/fbi-probing-new-clinton-emails.html

 

If I had to guess, Kim Dotcom wasn't kidding when he told Gowdy how to obtain the "deleted" 33,000 e-mails. FBI claims they're "new" and "pertinent" to the case.

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-kim-dotcom-says-deleted-mails-can-be-recovered-2437812

I find it sort of hilarious that Kim Dotcom have been quoted in this case, considering what he is saying is hardly remarkable. Everyone knows the emails could be recovered, even the FBI. Indeed, they managed to recover several thousands of them. However, they did not manage to recover all of them, but I assume they made a decision at the time, that while some of those emails shouldn't have been deleted, there was no evidence of malice intent.

 

I guess some new emails recovered have come to light that might change that perspective. I doubt the FBI director announces a supplement just to tell Congress that they've found more emails and they are not interesting. Agents have already been probing these emails.

Edited October 28, 2016 by Svip

[sivispacem]

New emails coming to light "in another relevant investigation" stinks of the ongoing inquiry by the FBI into the DNC hacks to me. Kim DotCom's understanding of XKeyscore certainly doesn't seem to reflect the capabilities actually outlined in leaked documentation pertaining to it, and I find it absolutely f*cking hilarious that someone whose primary business is supposed to be "cloud storage" doesn't understand how cloud storage works. If stuff is in one physical location, like the NSA Utah data centre, it's not a cloud.

 

Pretty sh*tty timing for Clinton though.

[Argonaut]

Whoops!

 

“I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake,” said Sen. Clinton. “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”

 

 

2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election

Edited October 28, 2016 by Argonaut

[Not A Nice Person]

There are quite a few idiots in the Democratic camp too. Primarily all the black people who voted for Hillary instead of Bernie Sanders in the primaries. They have no choice now of course, because Trump is worse. But when they had a choice they chose like morons. Clintons are behind the three strikes law which has ruined many a black lives. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders has a history of being a civil rights activist. But it takes a special kind of idiot to deny that Trump supporters are mostly idiots.

Not to be rude because I was a Sanders supporter but there's other policies besides race policy, I mean he was Jewish while a vast majorit of black people are Christian. It's condescending to tell black people they have to vote for ____ for else they're idiots.

[Skeever]

Re-opening the investigation, eh? Happy belated birthday.

It's hilarious that you Skeever, a fanatical American conservative, deride Clinton as a 'war-mongering' candidate.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather not continue the aggressive foreign policy of Obama and GWB in the Middle East, implement a No-Fly Zone over Syria and have Clinton drag us into a 'conflict' (that's putting it lightly) with Russia, thank you very much.

 

Every Republican candidate supports immediate war with Iran, promises to launch the missiles as soon as they win the election.

Did I miss John Oliver's latest segment?

 

Trump has said nothing on the matter, mainly because he has no idea what policies the Republicans pursue and nobody has bothered to tell him.

"Nobody has bothered to tell him"? Right... I think you need to educate yourself on Trump and his foreign policy proposals, as he certainly has spoken about the matter.

 

Here is this horribly fuel inefficient vehicle that's probably eating away $400 a month in gasoline, and what is the guy using it for? To haul 5 aluminium pipes.

God forbid someone uses their pickup truck to do things other than haul several hundred pounds of lumber every time they drive it.

 

you know someone has gone off the deep end when they overhaul their signature into a malicious political advertisement. is this CNN.com or GTAF??

"Malicious political advertisement"? Kek, it's a trending meme for crying out loud.

[make total destroy]

 

I don't know about you, but I'd rather not continue the aggressive foreign policy of Obama and GWB in the Middle East

 

 

 

"We have to go after their families".

[Creed Bratton]

 

There are quite a few idiots in the Democratic camp too. Primarily all the black people who voted for Hillary instead of Bernie Sanders in the primaries. They have no choice now of course, because Trump is worse. But when they had a choice they chose like morons. Clintons are behind the three strikes law which has ruined many a black lives. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders has a history of being a civil rights activist. But it takes a special kind of idiot to deny that Trump supporters are mostly idiots.

Not to be rude because I was a Sanders supporter but there's other policies besides race policy, I mean he was Jewish while a vast majorit of black people are Christian. It's condescending to tell black people they have to vote for ____ for else they're idiots.

One of the candidates was actively fighting for their rights while the other helped pass legislation that locks them up. It seems like a pretty clear-cut case to me.

Edited October 28, 2016 by The Yokel

[Eutyphro]

 

Every Republican candidate supports immediate war with Iran, promises to launch the missiles as soon as they win the election.

 

Did I miss John Oliver's latest segment?

You can do a simple google search and find out that this is the case for most recent Republican candidates, like Romney, Huckabee, Santorum, Scott Walker. If you do your best you can find out almost all recent Republican candidates have pledged some kind of explicit aggression against Iran.

 

But in general, you can hardly deny that the Republican party is outrageously hawkish, more significantly so than Obama or Clinton. And doing so by referencing John Oliver is a pretty stupid non response.

[Creed Bratton]

FBI is reopening the case on Hillary.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/fbi-probing-new-clinton-emails.html

 

If I had to guess, Kim Dotcom wasn't kidding when he told Gowdy how to obtain the "deleted" 33,000 e-mails. FBI claims they're "new" and "pertinent" to the case.

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-kim-dotcom-says-deleted-mails-can-be-recovered-2437812

Wow, this is not good for the DNC. Not good at all.

[Not A Nice Person]

One of the candidates was actively fighting for their rights while the other helped pass legislation that locks them up. It seems like a pretty clear cut case to me.

I understand that, but that's a bold way of looking at it, the Clintons are popular with the black community, with their contributions to racial reconciliation in the 90's. Bernie just ran against the wrong person.

[El Dildo]

nothing will come of it.

 

millions of early mail-in ballots have already been cast.

voting has officially begun. despite their best efforts Hillary is not going to be in prison after November, she's going to be in the oval office.

[Eutyphro]

http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

I don't have time myself to go through all of it now and paste the most fun parts in here, but there's a lot of fun stuff in there.

Hillary Clinton took money from and supported nations that she KNEW funded ISIS and terrorists

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5469

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1828

“...the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.”

“Clintons should know better than to raise money from folks whose primary concern has been supporting the NIAC, a notorious supporter of the Radical Islamic Mullahs. "The Clinton’s have thrown principle out the window in exchange for cold hard cash...putting money ahead of principle.”

 

Hillary's campaign wants "unaware" and "compliant" citizens

​

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599

“And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.”

Latinos are "needy". Latino outreach is "taco bowl engagement"

​

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6777

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5492

“Needy Latinos and 1 easy call.”

"Attached is a script for a new video we’d like to use to mop up some more taco bowl engagement, and demonstrate the Trump actually isn’t trying."

 

 

 

And this goes on and on. Too much fun stuff in there. Reading through those emails is really revealing.

Edited October 28, 2016 by Eutyphro

[Not A Nice Person]

How do we know if wikileaks is legit though?

Edited October 28, 2016 by Mion

[El Dildo]

Julian Assange has already openly spoken about the fact that he has a grudge against Hillary.

whether the leaks are "legit" or not is almost beside the point.

 

the point is how this crap is interpreted.

 

Reading through those emails is really revealing.

is it?

is it really?

 

this is my point; people's different interpretations.

I fail to see what's so "revealing" about these alleged emails. they don't reveal anything other than a typical, Centrist, calculating and professional politician going about her business. she took money from a nation that might have supported ISIS? COUNTLESS politicians and NGO's take money from countries that are less than desirable or who work with our enemies. it might be sh/tty but it's not shady or even uncommon. let's not forget that Donald Trump hosted the brutal dictator Muammar Gaddafi in his backyard... and the Bush family walks around holding hands with Saudi Prince's. what else is new.

 

as for the 2nd email in question, you took it entirely out of context.

it's not saying that Hillary "wants" unaware and compliant citizens. it's saying that unaware and compliant citizens are what have resulted from our toxic political climate in which government itself is routinely admonished and where celebrity becomes more important than achievement. they're talking about shifting demographics, not manipulating people into zombies

 

as for the 3rd email in question? again there's nothing revealing here.

you're looking at the alleged internal communications of a political campaign. are you so surprised that they use buzz words and short hand and facetious lingo? are you really that shocked that they talk about groups of people as potential voting blocks? you act like you were born yesterday and that Hillary's political career is this unprecedented monstrosity. you have no context for history. this is so business as usual. whether you see it as pandering or not, the Clinton campaign is out there talking about issues that affect Latinos and minorities and immigrants in a positive light. meanwhile the Don wants to throw them out of the country, block them from coming in, and force them to build/pay for a dividing wall.

 

I'll take the lady who might be pandering over the psycho who is actually a petty racist and fascist any day of the week.

but keep reading those emails. sounds like you've got a great Friday afternoon planned for yourself...

Edited October 28, 2016 by El Diablo

[Eutyphro]

They seem to be real. John Podesta has confirmed he has been hacked. There's proof John Podesta was the victim of phishing.

When Clinton was asked about one of the leaked statements “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders” in the debate, she did not deny stating that. There's no certainty they are real, but they seem to be, and their authenticity hasn't been denied. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/is-the-wikileaks-hack-real-229403

 

Most of the big mainstream media channels are very restrained in reporting on these emails, but even the BBC has posted an article about them:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37639370

 

 

she took money from a nation that might have supported ISIS? COUNTLESS politicians and NGO's take money from countries that are less than desirable or who work with our enemies. it might be sh/tty but it's not shady or even uncommon.

 

Sure, but that doesn't not make it embarassing or horrible. Apart from that, the emails confirm those countries have supported ISIS, which is the most revealing aspect of it. That she took money from these countries has been widely known.

it's saying that unaware and compliant citizens are what have resulted from our toxic political climate in which government itself is routinely admonished and where celebrity becomes more important than achievement. they're talking about shifting demographics, not manipulating people into zombies

 

No, not really. But it's kind of tiring how you are defending Hillary when I'm not even specifically attacking her. I think you should vote for her. But these emails are incredibly embarrassing and damaging to the trust Americans can have in their politicians.

 

What he is saying is not that it has 'resulted from' etc. He's saying "we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry." That's literally what he is saying. Anyone who knows Edward Bernays and political theory about propaganda, books like 'Manufacturing Consent' by Chomsky, know this is reality. But to see someone who participates in it admitting such a cynical reality so explicitly is pretty interesting.

you act like you were born yesterday and that Hillary's political career is this unprecedented monstrosity.

 

No, that is what your partisan brain is perceiving, but it's not what I'm doing. I think it's interesting to see how Clinton's team systematically manipulates and lies to the public. It's very interesting to read. I'm not under the illusion that other candidates are different.

And finally, I've just pasted a few fun things, but there's so much more.

Edited October 28, 2016 by Eutyphro

[sivispacem]

It's a fair point. Quite aside from most of the emails being storms in teacups intentionally and selectively released for a political purpose by an entity every bit as political as those it claims to unearth the truth regarding, there's almost no way of actually verifying the validity of their content. Only a small number are signed with a digital signature which acts as a seal to permit the identification of tampering.

 

Please don't interpret this as an assertion that the emails have been tampered with or fabricated, but it's only rational to consider that prospect especially given the motivation of the specific actors attributed to the email thefts and their use of false-flag tactics against other historic victims of their intrusions. We know senior figures in the Democratic party and institutional machinery were hacked; what we don't know if whether documents purported to have been pilfered from them are authentic or genuine.

 

Several figures have stated publicly that documents posted by WikiLeaks as part of these releases are not genuine. But we don't know if they're telling the truth either. The implausibility of denials and the prospect of tampering are intentional subterfuge; FUD and distrust are infinitely more harmful than most of the actual "revelations".

[Chiarii]

How do we know if wikileaks is legit though?

 

Because HRC called it espionage and Kaine called it theft. If it was bullsh*t it would be called libel/slander/defamation.

 

 

 

If you're really ancom, why don't you liquidate all your assets

This is the whitest thing I've ever heard.

 

So you're saying that nonwhites have nothing of value... or something like that? Instead of making racist little one-liners you can go ahead and the answer the question. "If you're really ancom why don't you liquidate all your assets and distribute equally among the members here? Or are you just ancom for shock value?"

 

 

Your system (capitalism) is strange and derided and mine (communism) is sensible even though yours exists to a degree in every prosperous society and mine is wholly rejected by... just about every society on the planet. This is the part where I suggest that the world should strive to be like a region that is the product of terrorism or a failing state. Here is where I use historical events that ended badly and hope no one notices; also I am only capable of understanding static subjects like history. I conclude my post by defending my arm chair activism and belittling those who do not attend the protests that I do where me and my comrades demand that society at large take care of us.

 

-Melchior

-Interpreted by Chiari

 

Sound about right? Oh yeah you replied to my post and then replied to it again 7 hours later. That's some heart-felt, emotional sh*t right there. Melchior/Menarche.

 

Who needs to edit a one sentence remark?

I added a period, which you'd probably bitch about if I didn't edit my post.

 

I've never called anyone out on grammar and spelling. That is petty and everyone is allowed to make those mistakes and have flaws.

prej·u·dice

noun

1. 1.

   preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

 

 

 

'I must say that I think that people who vote for Trump are stupid even though Wikileaks is outlining HRC's quid pro quo and racist actions, PV is showing that every level of her campaign is heavy on criminality and light on integrity, and the FBI is reopening their investigation on H 11 days before she is to become President-Elect. Also I am convinced that even though there is a long time between 11/8 and 1/20 nothing will come this and there is no chance that she will win and we will be stuck with ManBaby Kaine as president instead.'

Edited October 28, 2016 by Chiari

[Original Light]

Any opinions on the polls themselves? Clinton was ahead by 12 points last weekend, now she's leading by roughly 5-7 points (it depends on the source). At times I have trouble believing the authenticity of the polls, especially if they're manipulating them just to draw in more attention and create suspense. Every election, they like to bring the numbers closer together than they really are just to call it a "tight race". CNN is always seems to inflate Clinton's lead, and Fox always seems to inflate Trump's, due to them being Democratic and Republican networks, respectively.

Edited October 28, 2016 by Original Light