Do you think Rockstar still cares about Singleplayer?

[kingcs]

Could've fooled me. You never know with this forum. Critique V and you get labeled as a whiner. How come you do a better job at explaining what he mean't than he does?

[Heists]

Could've fooled me. You never know with this forum. Critique V and you get labeled as a whiner. How come you do a better job at explaining what he mean't than he does?

Critique is fine as long as the critique is valid. Yoga being a critique is not.

[kingcs]

Says who? You? Saying that Yoga doesn't fit as a traditional GTA mini game isn't valid? That implementing Yoga was a idea that was destined to fail?

[The Green Sabre]

 

Could've fooled me. You never know with this forum. Critique V and you get labeled as a whiner. How come you do a better job at explaining what he mean't than he does?

Critique is fine as long as the critique is valid. Yoga being a critique is not.

 

Seriously? The half-assed Yoga minigame can't be criticized...

 

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. If we don't critique it, how exactly would R* know that no one wants it back?

[Son of Zeus]

And yet many that come here to bash V act as though they have the right to trash other people's opinions. 50/50 on that one.

Stop exaggerating. It's just a few people acting like that. Loud minority, you could say.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Son of Zeus

[Heists]

 

 

Could've fooled me. You never know with this forum. Critique V and you get labeled as a whiner. How come you do a better job at explaining what he mean't than he does?

Critique is fine as long as the critique is valid. Yoga being a critique is not.

 

Seriously? The half-assed Yoga minigame can't be criticized...

 

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. If we don't critique it, how exactly would R* know that no one wants it back?

 

Okay let me rephrase: the critique of yoga that it took the place of other favoured side missions is not valid.

 

I explained this in my earlier posts in this thread in the last 2 pages, so I shall refer to them.

 

While I agree yoga isn't the best mini game, using it as a plate to say it is the reason why we don't have "vigilante" missions or some other side activity is a load of rubbish.

 

I do agree though that it doesn't fit the general GTA mini game criteria, but all the sh*tstorm it gets is unjustified.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Heists

[CarlitoDorito]

Criticising the game is really good when constructive, which a lot is. When it starts with "in IV" then it's usually a bit of a fanboy thing. It's the same in the IV forums, just starting with "in V". Some is insanely over dramatic to a point where it seems either sarcastic or the player plays V screaming at the TV "I hate you rockstar! takes 90 minutes to load! f*ck you rockstar!" And so on. It's a bit dramatic, and makes it hard to discuss anything else.

 

Saying the game is sh*t, whether the story or the roads is a lot different from, every thread, another thing about activities, bitching about rockstar, comparison videos "I hope the housers die for this" and "online breaks my heart" then jumping on anything positive with more bloody comparison videos or reasons why IV is better. It's more preaching than critiquing. It's as annoying as "best f*cking game ever! Best ever! Nothing will ever beat this masterpiece I would have sex with the sexy disc if I could!" It's a dramatic positive rather than a dramatic negative both will be complained about as much as the game, it's like a moany circle.

 

OT: I'm not sure there's anything that can be done to show they do, a tiny DLC won't help. No matter how big it is its not gonna convince everyone. The story if it has one may be good for some, sh*t for others. It might not have things everyone says should be in V, so that's a big problem now with gamer entitlement. Good everyone points out how much they don't though, especially on forums and in the comments section on every GTA related video on YouTube ever. It may surprise more people then.

Edited April 14, 2015 by CarlitoDorito

[Smith John]

 

Osho, since the game released for PC today, shouldn't you be busy playing instead of spewing your usual miserable negativity all over this forum?

1. This is not a GTA V Fan/Fanboy Club. This is a public forum. Members are free to come in and bash/criticise V as much as they want. For whatever reason. For as long as they want. 18 months. 5 years. 10 years.

2. If it annoys you, maybe you should ignore it. You've got no right to tell others what they should be doing.

1) I'm well aware what this forum is for, pal. I'm not telling anyone what to do or post. Of course members are allowed to post whatever they want for as long as they want, and of course I'm going to highlight and mock such a practice of bitter futility for the duration it has.

 

2) I do ignore it for the most part, which as an example, I think I've made 1 post in the official whine and complain thread and tend to stay well away from it and allow the usual entitled demographic to scream away their wallows.

 

It's just a shame the usual handful of culprits refuse to apply the same courtesy to any positive threads of discussion without poisoning it with their miserable pessimism.

 

 

 

 

@miami

Adding to Fuzz and Wang, I'm no programmer, but I'm pretty sure there'd be a slight difference in work and system-demand between a fully functional, lively nightclub interior and the yoga feature.

 

Of course, but it's still relevant to the setting.

You're missing my point. A fully functional, 15 acre theme park complete with drunk teenagers spewing all over each other could be considered relevant. Are you saying we could've replaced the yoga feature for that?

 

Pre-re-de-pre-reorder de-re-pre-re-cancelled.

 

I'M SO UPSET THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE GLORY HOLE THEME PARK, SEEING AS IT WAS MENTIONED IN A RADIO AD IN SANDDAMNDREAS. OHMG CROCKSTAR** WHY YOU DO THIS TO US?? TO SELL CASH CARDZ???

 

Careful what you say, John. You'll get the whiners back in here.

Indeed.

 

I even mentioned the word 'park' in my post.

 

park = pond

 

pond = duck

 

duck = animal

 

animal = zoo

 

 

WHERE WAS MY GOD DAMN ZOO THAT I WAS PROMISED THROUGH SOME SPECULATIVE RUMOUR ON A FAN FORUM YOU DIRTY COCKSTAR C*NTS!!!!!

Edited April 14, 2015 by John Smith

[kingcs]

That's not why I critique it tho. My critique comes because it was a off the wall idea and a shot in the dark that clearly was not needed. Of course when you have a lackluster feature like Yoga, it becomes the scapegoat for why other feautures were better suited.

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

 

It's probably my biggest gripe with it and I'm sorry even after 7 years I still find it pathetic how blown out of proportion some people make out the phone calls to be.

 

In fact I was playing GTA IV earlier and it took over an hour before I got a phone call. It's always been terribly exaggerated IMO.

 

I was exaggerating it on purpose, because you and others keep exaggerating about yoga. People here tend to be overly dramatic when complaining about V. If you find it pathetic how people still complain about the phone calls in IV you should understand why we think it's pathetic to complain about yoga all the time.

 

You make it sound like the whole forum's clogged up with nothing, but yoga complaint threads. It's not like I or anyone else for that matter send you PMs every single day on the subject.

We all know about your daily Yoga PM's you send me.

[Heists]

That's not why I critique it tho. My critique comes because it was a off the wall idea and a shot in the dark that clearly was not needed. Of course when you have a lackluster feature like Yoga, it becomes the scapegoat for why other feautures were better suited.

You proved right there that the "critique" of yoga is out of proportion.

 

Yoga is only considered a feature because R* decided to take it out of the darn mission and into freemode. Its basically replaying the mission over and over, in this context its barely a feature.

 

The time it took too make it would never excel in longevity, so it would never affect development of other features; and so after learning this, saying it "was not needed" doesn't matter.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Heists

[Bill Williamson]

 

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. If we don't critique it, how exactly would R* know that no one wants it back?

 

Because Rockstar doesn't give a sh*t about your opinions

[Smith John]

Oh that bloody godforsaken yoga, I tell you.

 

Maybe for that particular scene, we should've had Fabian and Amanda teach Michael how to snort lines of coke off the middle of the road in Grove St whilst an ensuing tech 9 battle of homies is going on around them. And when Fabian- in a moment of coked up horn- attempts to spit-roast Amanda with one of the tech 9-sporting homies, Michael- in a fit of coked up rage- tries to stop the act by diving through a ring of fire whilst doing a few cartwheels before our coked up Fabian dodges the rain of bullets to karate kick him into a nearby paddling pool.

 

With most of the homies lying scattered and lifeless around them, Amanda screams at Michael..."You are alone you pathetic psychopath"...before she and Fabian beam themselves up to the Starship Enterprise and search off for a new galaxy.

 

Would this have been more to the liking for some of you?...

[kingcs]

No. But I do like how cynical you all can be when it comes to defending V. It takes great fortitude to put yourselves out on the burner of idiocy to defend your precious V while jumping to conclusions and theories on what others prefer.

[Smith John]

Somebody who is complaining about an aspect of the game accusing someone defending said aspect as being cynical. Seems logical.

 

Anyway, I'm bored of this discussion. We'll never convince each other, and is why I usually take these breaks from here every now and again.

[Official General]

@ golf wang

 

You made good points, but once again, you failed to realize that there are too many holes in your argument in your post responding to mine about yoga. And I agree with Osho, you appear to be mixing up side activities with mini-games. I'll challenge your points anyway.

 

Yes indeed, previous GTAs have always had trivial, and seemingly stupid, simple side activities. However, they were either lightly competitive fun, or there was a more meaningful objective to playing them. In Vice City, the pizza delivery missions made sense you know why ? Tommy was totally new to the city, and after the failed drug deal he had to survive on his own. Tommy had very little money, no job, no one to help him out financially and he hadn't yet start making big money from crime - chances are that he would have been desperate to make quick cash, even by meagre legitimate means such as delivering pizzas. Remember he was also driving taxis to make extra money, this further highlights the struggle he faced trying to get a start in the city from the lowest level, whether it was through crime or legal means. Did you not really enjoy seeing Tommy's rise from the bottom to the top as Vice City's most powerful and richest crime boss/drug lord with a vast business empire ? I know I did - it was my dream GTA role play, a one-time delivery man, taxi driver and low-level hoodlum turned big-time Mafia boss. I loved the way VC allowed me to forge Tommy's rise to the top, the mix of 'silly' lowly legit jobs made it even ever more so interesting. As for SA, you do realize that the valet activities led to CJ owning a valet business right ? CJ actually ends up owning a valet business that makes him regular income, so it's another way to mask his illegally gained funds and expand his empire. Something which gangsters do in real life as you already know. Also remember, CJ went through tough times while exiled from Los Santos, he would have been in need of quick cash, even if it meant car valet. You also gotta remember that CJ was not from San Fierro, he had no readymase way to make money there, so it he had make a start somewhere, so car valet would have supplemented his income in addition to other stuff.

 

The point I'm making is that the 'silly' trivial activities on previous GTAs generally had some very meaningful objective to them that still made the game fun and interesting if you took the time to discover it. Yoga did nothing like that in V. That's my point about it being so useless, pointless and a waste of ideas/features. Like I said already in my last post, if the better side activities had been included, yoga would probably got a pass, but it was not the case and henceforth it gets right in the line of fire.

 

@ Fuzz

 

Please read my previous posts on yoga, my beef with it not so much it being in the game alone, how many times do I have to say this ?

 

No I liked the activies in IV better because they were better than the sh*t in V, simple as. Not bragging at all, I just wanna point out that I've grown up around criminals in real life and I've seen a lot of stuff happen in the streets, but it's not why I like IV's activities.

 

@ John Smith

 

You do make me laugh sometimes without digs at my posts, lol seriously you may oppose me a lot, but damn you can be funny with your relentlessness!

[Fuzzknuckles]

OG, I know your beef with yoga already. Believe.

 

But once again you ignore the glaring truth of the matter - it fits for Michael because of the story and the real world (a place I doubt you're familiar with) counterpart of the game world.

 

That's all there is to it. Whether you think that makes it a retirement simulator or whether you feel it's in contrast to the grit and grime of previous games, it is relevant to the narrative of the game.

 

I assume you have completed the story from previous discussions and that you have only played the 3 minute yoga once. So what's the big problem?

 

I think back to the utter pain in the arse of playing San Andrews and getting called from across the map to defend a few houses from 3 waves of mindless goons and thinking it was a game ruiner. I was very much active on here at the time and you know what? I didn't spend months and months hammering the point home every day. I probably just complained about it once.

 

And now I see people complaining about something that passes in minutes and is then forever optional, for over a year. And it's incredibly depressing to think this nitpicking is what this forum is now known for. The V boards are renowned as a joke around here. Because of this kind of moronic whining and endless nonsense.

[Zanje]

Oh that bloody godforsaken yoga, I tell you.

 

Maybe for that particular scene, we should've had Fabian and Amanda teach Michael how to snort lines of coke off the middle of the road in Grove St whilst an ensuing tech 9 battle of homies is going on around them. And when Fabian- in a moment of coked up horn- attempts to spit-roast Amanda with one of the tech 9-sporting homies, Michael- in a fit of coked up rage- tries to stop the act by diving through a ring of fire whilst doing a few cartwheels before our coked up Fabian dodges the rain of bullets to karate kick him into a nearby paddling pool.

 

With most of the homies lying scattered and lifeless around them, Amanda screams at Michael..."You are alone you pathetic psychopath"...before she and Fabian beam themselves up to the Starship Enterprise and search off for a new galaxy.

 

Would this have been more to the liking for some of you?...

 

 

 

>.>

<.<

 

*slowly raises hand*

[Otselot]

If R* still cares? hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mm

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m mmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Maybe.

[kingcs]

@John

 

I'm not complaining about anything. Your post was clever indeed. By cynical I mean, your post was off the wall and reminded me of a character in a movie losing his sh*t, after being distrusting of everybody else's actions. It was a Pesci moment.

Edited April 14, 2015 by kingcs

[Heists]

The point I'm making is that the 'silly' trivial activities on previous GTAs generally had some very meaningful objective to them that still made the game fun and interesting if you took the time to discover it. Yoga did nothing like that in V. That's my point about it being so useless, pointless and a waste of ideas/features. Like I said already in my last post, if the better side activities had been included, yoga would probably got a pass, but it was not the case and henceforth it gets right in the line of fire.

There we go point proven. Just because V doesn't have as good activities than IV, Yoga gets the fire.

 

Doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't massive vehicle customisation, the ability to fly planes, car interiors, 1st person mode, the content creator, the massive clothing options, haircuts, tattoos, a bigger, varied, detailed map or the massive list of vehicles get the line of fire? Would be a way more legitimate argument and claim seeing as half of this list would take a lot more time to develop than puny little yoga.

 

Yoga, which is a small, ass mission that would take very little time to develop gets the line of fire, only because it also happened to be placed in the side activities list apparently.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Heists

[kingcs]

You know why? Because people don't have a problem with them and enjoy them and the process that goes within making them is well worth the time. A GTA game without those features is less enjoyable by 1000000% than it is without Yoga.

Edited April 14, 2015 by kingcs

[Heists]

You know why? Because people don't have a problem with them and enjoy them and the process that goes within making them is well worth the time. A GTA game without those features is less enjoyable by 1000000% than it is without Yoga.

Exactly my point right there. Even though those features and additions are more legitimate reasoning for a lack of "better" side activities, people would never dare mention that the enjoyable and actual good aspects of the game may have lead to the drop of those "better" side activities. But yoga! Poor little yoga, which probably took less time to develop than a normal mission gets the ugly end of the stick.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Heists

[feckyerlife]

 

The point I'm making is that the 'silly' trivial activities on previous GTAs generally had some very meaningful objective to them that still made the game fun and interesting if you took the time to discover it. Yoga did nothing like that in V. That's my point about it being so useless, pointless and a waste of ideas/features. Like I said already in my last post, if the better side activities had been included, yoga would probably got a pass, but it was not the case and henceforth it gets right in the line of fire.

There we go point proven. Just because V doesn't have as good activities than IV, Yoga gets the fire.

 

Doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't massive vehicle customisation, the ability to fly planes, car interiors, 1st person mode, the content creator, the massive clothing options, haircuts, tattoos, a bigger, varied, detailed map or the massive list of vehicles get the line of fire? Would be a way more legitimate argument and claim seeing as half of this list would take a lot more time to develop than puny little yoga.

 

Yoga, which is a small, ass mission that would take very little time to develop gets the line of fire, only because it also happened to be placed in the side activities list apparently.

 

all i get from your post is that you like the yoga mini game.

[cj67890]

Did somebody say Yoga?

[Heists]

 

 

The point I'm making is that the 'silly' trivial activities on previous GTAs generally had some very meaningful objective to them that still made the game fun and interesting if you took the time to discover it. Yoga did nothing like that in V. That's my point about it being so useless, pointless and a waste of ideas/features. Like I said already in my last post, if the better side activities had been included, yoga would probably got a pass, but it was not the case and henceforth it gets right in the line of fire.

There we go point proven. Just because V doesn't have as good activities than IV, Yoga gets the fire.

 

Doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't massive vehicle customisation, the ability to fly planes, car interiors, 1st person mode, the content creator, the massive clothing options, haircuts, tattoos, a bigger, varied, detailed map or the massive list of vehicles get the line of fire? Would be a way more legitimate argument and claim seeing as half of this list would take a lot more time to develop than puny little yoga.

 

Yoga, which is a small, ass mission that would take very little time to develop gets the line of fire, only because it also happened to be placed in the side activities list apparently.

 

all i get from your post is that you like the yoga mini game.

 

I'm partial. Don't hate it, don't love it. I don't have any reason to hate it, all it was is a mission that lead to Amanda finally losing it with Michael. It then got side lined into its own side activity from what would seem like more or less a cut and paste job from said mission.

 

My point is that the criticism of yoga is unjust unless you are talking about it not be a very good side activity which is fair. If you point at yoga and make it the face of a lack of other side activities, then in my opinion that is unfair.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Heists

[Official General]

 

The point I'm making is that the 'silly' trivial activities on previous GTAs generally had some very meaningful objective to them that still made the game fun and interesting if you took the time to discover it. Yoga did nothing like that in V. That's my point about it being so useless, pointless and a waste of ideas/features. Like I said already in my last post, if the better side activities had been included, yoga would probably got a pass, but it was not the case and henceforth it gets right in the line of fire.

There we go point proven. Just because V doesn't have as good activities than IV, Yoga gets the fire.

 

Doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't massive vehicle customisation, the ability to fly planes, car interiors, 1st person mode, the content creator, the massive clothing options, haircuts, tattoos, a bigger, varied, detailed map or the massive list of vehicles get the line of fire? Would be a way more legitimate argument and claim seeing as half of this list would take a lot more time to develop than puny little yoga.

 

Yoga, which is a small, ass mission that would take very little time to develop gets the line of fire, only because it also happened to be placed in the side activities list apparently.

My previous posts will best be the best response to your posts and questions, I'm not going over it again. It's not my problem if you can't read my posts properly or understand my points which I make quite clear. That guy kingcs also gave you an answer that I would have answered the same with, so refer to that too, if it helps.

 

@ John Smith and Fuzz

 

Bros, this is just a gaming forum, I may criticize V a lot, I may whine and complain a lot, but it don't mean I'm gonna kil people over it. As a big GTA fan in general I love to play it and to talk about it, it is something I enjoy discussing on a forum regardless of who I beef with or agree with, I just get a bit of some spare time at work to kill posting here, and sometimes at home. You guys really overestimate how seriously I take this sometimes.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Official General

[golf wang]

@ golf wang

 

You made good points, but once again, you failed to realize that there are too many holes in your argument in your post responding to mine about yoga. And I agree with Osho, you appear to be mixing up side activities with mini-games. I'll challenge your points anyway.

 

Yes indeed, previous GTAs have always had trivial, and seemingly stupid, simple side activities. However, they were either lightly competitive fun, or there was a more meaningful objective to playing them. In Vice City, the pizza delivery missions made sense you know why ? Tommy was totally new to the city, and after the failed drug deal he had to survive on his own. Tommy had very little money, no job, no one to help him out financially and he hadn't yet start making big money from crime - chances are that he would have been desperate to make quick cash, even by meagre legitimate means such as delivering pizzas. Remember he was also driving taxis to make extra money, this further highlights the struggle he faced trying to get a start in the city from the lowest level, whether it was through crime or legal means. Did you not really enjoy seeing Tommy's rise from the bottom to the top as Vice City's most powerful and richest crime boss/drug lord with a vast business empire ? I know I did - it was my dream GTA role play, a one-time delivery man, taxi driver and low-level hoodlum turned big-time Mafia boss. I loved the way VC allowed me to forge Tommy's rise to the top, the mix of 'silly' lowly legit jobs made it even ever more so interesting. As for SA, you do realize that the valet activities led to CJ owning a valet business right ? CJ actually ends up owning a valet business that makes him regular income, so it's another way to mask his illegally gained funds and expand his empire. Something which gangsters do in real life as you already know. Also remember, CJ went through tough times while exiled from Los Santos, he would have been in need of quick cash, even if it meant car valet. You also gotta remember that CJ was not from San Fierro, he had no readymase way to make money there, so it he had make a start somewhere, so car valet would have supplemented his income in addition to other stuff.

 

The point I'm making is that the 'silly' trivial activities on previous GTAs generally had some very meaningful objective to them that still made the game fun and interesting if you took the time to discover it. Yoga did nothing like that in V. That's my point about it being so useless, pointless and a waste of ideas/features. Like I said already in my last post, if the better side activities had been included, yoga would probably got a pass, but it was not the case and henceforth it gets right in the line of fire.

A similar argument can be made for Michael and yoga. It does fit the context of Michael's world because he was rich and living in Los Santos, it's not exactly far fetched that his wife would be involved in yoga. As far as if it's interesting or not that's totally subjective. I didn't find yoga interesting at all, but I didn't find the pizza boy delivery missions or the valet missions that interesting either.

Edited April 14, 2015 by golf wang

[Fuzzknuckles]

Didn't CJ only take the valet job so he could steal a car? Once that's done there's literally no reason to play it again. Much like yoga. For those that don't like yoga that is.

 

I'm going to fire up my PS4 and take Michael out to the mountains at sunrise, practise my yoga. Reach enlightenment.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Fuzzknuckles

[Official General]

@ golf wang

 

I just don't see it that way. Rockstar deserve a lot of flack for giving us yoga and not much else, so yoga deserves the brunt of the criticism because it's so wack. I've explained myself in detail already and backed up my points, that's where I stand. But, I respect your opinion, it is what it is, I just don't agree with you on this.

 

@ Fuzz

 

If you completed the valet missions in SA, it lead to CJ owning a business and getting a weekly income from it of $2000.

 

As for the yoga....,go for it bro, if you like it I can still respect that.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Official General