daltontigerboy Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) EDIT: (4/2/15) Interesting, it appears I was right about the issues and the truth IS that they were indeed just bugs. Naysayers, post if you are okay. EDIT: http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/03/27/gta-v-graphical-downgrade-isnt-a-downgrade-fix-coming-soon/. (Thanks Cutter De Blanc) Rockstar is a very, very smart company despite what some of you near-sighted cynics believe. They know goddamn well that any mistake, error, or oversight that slips into this game will be IMMEDIATELY FOUND and spread all over the internet through these gaming sites/forums within mere days. It happens EVERY TIME A NEW UPDATE IS RELEASED. We as a community have proven to Rockstar time and time again that we will hunt down and bring any small problem with this game to the surface. Now that said, do you honestly, seriously believe that Rockstar tried to sneak in all these issues into the game on purpose, FOR NO EARTHLY REASON AT ALL EXCEPT FOR LULZ, in hopes that none of us would ever notice this sh*t? Give me a f*cking break. These are BUGS, simple as that. The Heist Update was their biggest, broadest, most complex update yet and now its obvious that some issues were oversighted during development and somehow made it passed the testing phase. It happens all the damn time, and especially to a game as massive and complex as GTAV is. Some bugs were fixed today with an update, just as I thought would happen. Some of them will be fixed in the next update fairly soon, and I'm positive of that. Rockstar has absolutely no reason to intentionally stealth-downgrade their game under our sharply sensitive, sniveling rodent noses. We are gamers. They know we'd find out, they know we'd throw a fit, and they know it would make headline gaming news, just as it has. Seeing some of you make these ridiculous, childish, un-justified claims/theories that Rockstar did this on purpose, or to put the PC version in a brighter light makes me really wonder what corner of your asshole that these "ideas" derive from. These bugs have clearly done nothing but piss off the community and hurt their recent image, hell some idiots are comparing them to Ubisoft and EA. So again, how does that fit into their "agenda" of making customers more hungry for a PC version? Edited April 3, 2015 by daltontigerboy Ss4gogeta0 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick930930 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 They probably lowered the graphics to help them debug issues with disconnections online. If they lower the quality of the game, they can more easily focus on the problems at hand rather than just issues caused by hardware limitations. OR Maybe they really are sneaky bastards that are trying to make the PC version look better. Who knows. You certainly don't know for sure and neither do I. Fact of the matter is, they downgraded their game for some reason and this isn't the first time it's happened. GTAV's release on PS4/XboxOne had issues with the trees blowing in the wind. k0NG3ØRN 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If they plan to continue adding content to GTA V on consoles, then they will eventually have to downgrade the game. That's just how it has to be. But this just seems to be a bug, I guess we'll find out next week. hornedturtle, Geeteeaifive and Gdog 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltontigerboy Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) They probably lowered the graphics to help them debug issues with disconnections online. If they lower the quality of the game, they can more easily focus on the problems at hand rather than just issues caused by hardware limitations. OR Maybe they really are sneaky bastards that are trying to make the PC version look better. Who knows. You certainly don't know for sure and neither do I. Fact of the matter is, they downgraded their game for some reason and this isn't the first time it's happened. GTAV's release on PS4/XboxOne had issues with the trees blowing in the wind. How ironic of you to bring up the trees not blowing in the wind. Believe it or not, you are helping my case by saying that because that issue was confirmed to be an obvious BUG and was fixed in the 1.05 update. Edited March 27, 2015 by daltontigerboy Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlitoDorito Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) I thought the whole doing it on purpose thing was a joke? Another crazy Internet theory at least. I guess the "to make us play online" theory wasn't right and now they did it for another reason? I remember trees not blowing was to make you play online or to save money, maybe because the devs are lazy, because they lied and at least 7 other things. It was a bug in the end Edited March 27, 2015 by CarlitoDorito Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous and sad Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't a f*ck about these bugs.... Where the f*ck is my heist vehicles and content on f*cking singleplayer LCJ, redpoint, GAMIR_GTA and 7 others 10 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 No one can prove whether they did ( talking about all the issues from the last update ) on purpose or not. So, its kind of useless to debate without anything to back up. BUT. Don't you think they should have, at least, acknowledged about the broken update immediately and warned about the same to others from installing the updates? I'm saying this because the update offered nothing new to the SP. Just a mention of an "ONLINE Exclusive HEIST" before the update would have worked! Right now, so many players have to go through the hassle of either re-installing the game, or just wait for them to look into this. And even after waiting all this while, we've to wait for another patch regarding the graphics glitches. The very thought of the way single player game - we paid for - got affected by a sh*tty free-to-play online portion just makes me really angry. After all of this happened, what content did we get that justifies downloading the update for the single-players? k0NG3ØRN, Choco Taco, Uncle Vlad and 3 others 6 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltontigerboy Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) No one can prove whether they did ( talking about all the issues from the last update ) on purpose or not. So, its kind of useless to debate without anything to back up. BUT. Don't you think they should have, at least, acknowledged about the broken update immediately and warned about the same to others from installing the updates? I'm saying this because the update offered nothing new to the SP. Just a mention of an "ONLINE Exclusive HEIST" before the update would have worked! Right now, so many players have to go through the hassle of either re-installing the game, or just wait for them to look into this. And even after waiting all this while, we've to wait for another patch regarding the graphics glitches. The very thought of the way single player game - we paid for - got affected by a sh*tty free-to-play online portion just makes me really angry. After all of this happened, what content did we get that justifies downloading the update for the single-players? Why do you people keep expecting new free content for a single player game added on just because you paid for it? When did this become the standard? GTAV is not an Online game and there's clear and justified reasons why it isn't supported as vastly with updates as GTA (((((Online))))) is. You paid $60 for GTAV, you got GTAV, and that's the exchange. I don't get this idea that Rockstar has to treat their Single Player game with the same equality as their persistent Online game? Lol. "GTA Online gets content that supports its thriving community and keeps players coming back, why the hell doesn't their static single player game get treated the same! f*ck you, Cockstar!" That's not how games work. Why is it that Rockstar is the only publisher held to this standard. Does everyone complain whenever new weapons and gadgets come out for CoD multiplayer but the Single Player campaign doesn't get them? I don't think so, no. Yes it sucks that an Update for GTA Online caused some problems for the single player game that you paid for, I'm not happy about it either, but its obvious that those were not Rockstar's intentions. Like I said, they have no reason at all to downgrade one of their products, that makes them money, just to give the finger to single player exclusive gamers. Lastly, your description of GTA Online as a "sh*tty free-to-play online portion" is so laughably innacurate and just downright false that it makes me cringe, considering there's a $60 price of admission to play GTA Online. Lol ok bud. Edited March 27, 2015 by daltontigerboy BaxterJonez, GAMIR_GTA and Ss4gogeta0 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1N0D3UTSCHT3K Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 yeah it was just a lazy bug... this patch is their laziest by far and they were slow to fix it ... just like they're always slow actually it's sort of funny.... GTAF talks about it for 2 weeks and R* does nothing... but NeoGAF has a thread calling it a "downgrade" for just ONE night and it's fixed the next morning lol EXACT same thing happened with the input lag... we talk about it for so long before and then a big thread on NeoGAF got going about the sh*tty input lag and deadzone in the PS4 version and within a week it was fixed it's coincidence of course but there is likely correlation... the correlation being that once a bug begins to become 'known' enough that it becomes a topic outside of just GTA fan forums and onto general gaming websites, then just THEN is it finally a priority to fix same thing sort of happened with the trees, too... they were fixed around the same time it was becoming a bigger issue on Digital Foundary and gaf I wonder if NeoGAF had a thread or Polygon an article about the Weed Farm... or Digital Foundary did an article about the missing parallax mapping, I bet they'd fix it a lot faster Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanBurnsRed Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If they plan to continue adding content to GTA V on consoles, then they will eventually have to downgrade the game. That's just how it has to be. But this just seems to be a bug, I guess we'll find out next week. This is the most plausible and makes the most sense. I highly doubt they've downgraded it for the PC version that's like 2 weeks out. It seems to me they're dialing back the graphics settings for performance reasons. Ss4gogeta0 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1N0D3UTSCHT3K Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 well they don't have to downgrade just for new content.... i mean, adding new missions or new car has no relevance on a SP draw limit of 6 car types or how the ground is rendered i mean, for certain content sure... like if they added interiors. that's a lot of new content for the game to have on screen at the same time. but the vast majority of their content should have zero bearing on SP performance. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Why do you people keep expecting new free content for a single player game added on just because you paid for it? When did this become the standard? GTAV is not an Online game and there's clear and justified reasons why it isn't supported as vastly with updates as GTA (((((Online))))) is. You paid $60 for GTAV, you got GTAV, and that's the exchange. I don't get this idea that Rockstar has to treat their Single Player game with the same equality as their persistent Online game? Lol. "GTA Online gets content that supports its thriving community and keeps players coming back, why the hell doesn't their static single player game get treated the same! f*ck you, Cockstar!" That's not how games work. Why is it that Rockstar is the only publisher held to this standard I'm not begging for any free content. You missed the point. I'm saying that they should have, at least, informed the players about the update being an online exclusive before releasing it publicly. As always, everybody downloaded the update in the hope of something for the single-players as well. Its quite natural for the Single-players to hope something better coming out of this big heists update for the story mode as well. Fine. If they don't want to give us anything, but then the question would be, how the hell anyone can figure this out before installing it? It didn't bring us anything new, but it didn't improve the game either rather introduced additional problems for us. Does everyone complain whenever new weapons and gadgets come out for CoD multiplayer but the Single Player campaign doesn't get them? I don't think so, no. what? why are you comparing with COD? I don't care about how COD treats their players. Lastly, your description of GTA Online as a "sh*tty free-to-play online portion" is so laughably innacurate and just downright false that it makes me cringe, considering there's a $60 price of admission to play GTA Online. Lol ok bud. Oh, okay, I get your feelings about ONLINE. GAMIR_GTA and Ixnay 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanBurnsRed Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 well they don't have to downgrade just for new content.... i mean, adding new missions or new car has no relevance on a SP draw limit of 6 car types or how the ground is rendered i mean, for certain content sure... like if they added interiors. that's a lot of new content for the game to have on screen at the same time. but the vast majority of their content should have zero bearing on SP performance. I mean of all the theories out there for the downgrades that what Bodge said made the most sense out of all the ones I've seen. I still think that they downgraded the graphics for performance reasons perhaps in both SP and Online. Or maybe they just wanted to do it for Online but it also affected SP as well and instead of "fixing" it they just left it. I have no idea since I'm neither a game developer nor a Rockstar employee working on the game. So your guess is as good as mine I suppose... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornedturtle Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Graphics are rendered on your ps4. If they downgrade graphics on purpose it is to improve framerate stability. Data is not set by the pixel, but rather by whether something is their or not. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1N0D3UTSCHT3K Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 yeah it certainly could be related to maybe trying to optimize MP performance for Heists... i mean, that would explain why disconnecting from the internet could temporarily fix the bug... it's a rather odd connection there's no practical reason why SP would also need a downgrade though. and they could intentionally do it for just MP and not SP. the fact it affected SP is probably just lazy QA, just like the abundance of other SP bugs this patch introduced and even MP optimization, seems odd. I mean, SP has 'mission scripting' that is certainly just as resource intensive... I mean, if parallax mapping is OK for some of the SP missions that involve trains or helicopters, I don't see why they'd suddenly need to turn it off now for Heists... maybe with parallax mapping on, a couple of the Heist missions around the prison, or the quarry, lagged a bit? parallax mapping isn't that intensive to use but there's probably a lot of parallax mapping around those two areas... with all the rocks... and maybe that's OK for SP because there's not a lot of high action missions near the quarry or prison but maybe parallax mapping en masse at the quarry really hurt a couple of the Heists missions that were in the area around the quarry or prison so they disabled it and they were too lazy to disable it just for MP... or unintentionally disable it for SP too... but I can't see why it would be intentional i don't even notice a frame rate improvement around the train tracks or quarry so I see no reason not to turn parallax mapping on rocks back on Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltontigerboy Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Why do you people keep expecting new free content for a single player game added on just because you paid for it? When did this become the standard? GTAV is not an Online game and there's clear and justified reasons why it isn't supported as vastly with updates as GTA (((((Online))))) is. You paid $60 for GTAV, you got GTAV, and that's the exchange. I don't get this idea that Rockstar has to treat their Single Player game with the same equality as their persistent Online game? Lol. "GTA Online gets content that supports its thriving community and keeps players coming back, why the hell doesn't their static single player game get treated the same! f*ck you, Cockstar!" That's not how games work. Why is it that Rockstar is the only publisher held to this standard I'm not begging for any free content. You missed the point. I'm saying that they should have, at least, informed the players about the update being an online exclusive before releasing it publicly. As always, everybody downloaded the update in the hope of something for the single-players as well. Its quite natural for the Single-players to hope something better coming out of this big heists update for the story mode as well. Fine. If they don't want to give us anything, but then the question would be, how the hell anyone can figure this out before installing it? It didn't bring us anything new, but it didn't improve the game either rather introduced additional problems for us.Does everyone complain whenever new weapons and gadgets come out for CoD multiplayer but the Single Player campaign doesn't get them? I don't think so, no.what? why are you comparing with COD? I don't care about how COD treats their players.Lastly, your description of GTA Online as a "sh*tty free-to-play online portion" is so laughably innacurate and just downright false that it makes me cringe, considering there's a $60 price of admission to play GTA Online. Lol ok bud.Oh, okay, I get your feelings about ONLINE. You completely missed the point of my CoD reference. I'm not talking about "how CoD treats their players", whatever the hell that even means. I'm talking about the COMMUNITIES and their expectations for the Online games. It doesn't even have to be CoD, that was just an example and any person with half a brain can see that. Does the Battlefield community complain when the Battlefield Premium weapons aren't added into the Single Player campaign? Absolutely not. Because there is a difference between a single player experience and a persistent, ONLINE game. They don't expect the single player to be supported the same as Online, so why is it different for GTA? In 2015, we as gamers have the Internet at the tip of our fingers. All you need to know about the latest updates for your games is just a Google search away. So your excuse about players having no clue what the new update will be for is pretty much irrelevant in this day and age. Players can easily search for the content of the update and discover that it will be an addition for Online BEFORE they install it to their console. Edited March 27, 2015 by daltontigerboy Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
woggleman Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't think it was intentional but they need better programmers for the patches. Some people need to get replaced. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltontigerboy Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't think it was intentional but they need better programmers for the patches. Some people need to get replaced. Oh absolutely. Something gets broken almost every time a new update rolls out, usually more so in their "precious Online" Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1N0D3UTSCHT3K Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm not sure I'd even fault the programmers... I mean, coders break stuff. constantly lol. it's so hard to recognize graphical bugs like that purely in the code... especially when they're coding for 1 part of 2 interconnected entities, like GTA SP and MP.... the programmers probably have zero mandate from their supervisors to check SP for bugs if they had even ONE guy from QA load up SP for an hour, they would have noticed how broken the patch was lol... so it's probably a lot less to do with their programming or QA guys but rather the managers gave them zero mandate to even QA the SP either that or they did, and they just said 'f*ck it we'll fix it later' 'f*ck it we'll let GTAForums QA it for us and we'll fix it once Digital Foundry hears about it' Cutter De Blanc 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStarr31 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't understand.... If no part of the update was meant for SP, then why did it receive the "downgrades"? I'm not saying it was intentionally and, as you said in the OP, due to heists being such a large implementation of coding it was understandable for online to have suffered these kinks and "downgrades", heck, maybe even justifiable due adding so much content.... But SP? Really? The game ran great with parallax occlusion, so if you had no intention on adding any of the online features to SP, why would you even turn it off or debug? (Honest question as I'm not a programming expert) Only suitable action for R* would be to just fix SP and leave Online as is.... The MPers don't even notice what's really going on, let alone care. As long as those dollar sign rims are shinin'...... A.O.D.88 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067202914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltontigerboy Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) I don't understand.... If no part of the update was meant for SP, then why did it receive the "downgrades"? I'm not saying it was intentionally and, as you said in the OP, due to heists being such a large implementation of coding it was understandable for online to have suffered these kinks and "downgrades", heck, maybe even justifiable due adding so much content.... But SP? Really? The game ran great with parallax occlusion, so if you had no intention on adding any of the online features to SP, why would you even turn it off or debug? (Honest question as I'm not a programming expert) Only suitable action for R* would be to just fix SP and leave Online as is.... The MPers don't even notice what's really going on, let alone care. As long as those dollar sign rims are shinin'...... Like I said, SP must have received the bugs unintentionally. Rockstar has already fixed several of them and that right there shows you that these new graphical problems and technical problems are indeed bugs and not intentional downgrades. Maybe there was a problem with coding. I'm not a programmer so I don't exactly know how bugs form in the code of a game. GTA Online players are not all just unaware, oblivious fools. I primarily play Online (I still play a lot of SP too) and I was one of the first people to make a video on the car deformation bug in single player. I took that video down today after the new update, however. Edited March 27, 2015 by daltontigerboy Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felzuma Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't a f*ck about these bugs.... Where the f*ck is my heist vehicles and content on f*cking singleplayer "What the hell's a 'single player'?"- Rstar Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdog Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) "Over time, downloadable content and programming changes will change the system requirements for this game." This is for the PC version. They are just saying the game will become more demanding as time goes on and eventually you might need to upgrade your hardware. The thing is you can't change hardware of a console. PS3/360 are running 10 year old hardware. PS4 is much newer of course but compared to a modern PC it's not that powerful. So straight away they are limited to what they can do. I'm surprised they even managed to get the game running on PS3/360. Now look at the PS4/XB1 they are struggling to do 1080p/30fps and are having to disable graphic effects. If Rockstar is gonna keep adding new content to the game on consoles they need to free up performance from somewhere so that might mean lowing AA, changing the texture filtering/resolution, altering light/shadow effects. Eventually it will come to the point where they can't change it anymore without severely downgrading the games graphics/performance and they will need to cease releasing content for it. On PC it's OK though cause well you can upgrade the parts. If you want more you gotta give up something to make room. Edited March 27, 2015 by one55 Ss4gogeta0 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You completely missed the point of my CoD reference. I'm not talking about "how CoD treats their players", whatever the hell that even means. I'm talking about the COMMUNITIES and their expectations for the Online games. It doesn't even have to be CoD, that was just an example and any person with half a brain can see that. Does the Battlefield community complain when the Battlefield Premium weapons aren't added into the Single Player campaign? Absolutely not. Because there is a difference between a single player experience and a persistent, ONLINE game. They don't expect the single player to be supported the same as Online, so why is it different for GTA?Why the heck are you making those comparisons? I have no idea why are you talking about whether those games add anything to the single-player or not. I don't care about them because I'm not even complaining about all the content in the heist update not added to the SP. That's a different subject. The main point here is what justifies the download of the "Heist Update" for the single-players? Something you are absolutely ignoring to answer, and if you are certain that you know the answer to that question, then only bother to quote me otherwise I'm not interested in another COD / Battlefield nonsense. In 2015, we as gamers have the Internet at the tip of our fingers. All you need to know about the latest updates for your games is just a Google search away. So your excuse about players having no clue what the new update will be for is pretty much irrelevant in this day and age. Players can easily search for the content of the update and discover that it will be an addition for Online BEFORE they install it to their console.I am starting to get the feeling that you are just trying to throw sh*t up to make it look as if the blame lies on our part; particularly the single players for knowing nothing beforehand about the title update. Don't you know that the patch notes are not readily available on the release of each update? If it was so easy to show up in google search then probably the pinned topic wouldn't even bother to highlight in bold red - warning - "If you don't plan playing online or the heists and mainly play single player I HIGHLY recommend staying away from the latest title update" Something Rockstar didn't even bother to do after everything has happened. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethal Vaccine Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Why do you people keep expecting new free content for a single player game added on just because you paid for it? When did this become the standard? Hmm...Gee, let me think....I guess from the other 20 Patches since the Beach Bum Update back in October 2013... They've been adding Vehicles into the game from the start and only stopped at Heists, probably cuz the Heist Vehicles are the best ones they offered, thus they aren't added to SP. Granted, I don't give a f*ck about Rockstar or GTA V. I constantly recycle the 3D Era Games, considering they were, and always will be, the best ones in the Series. IV + Episodes is just as good and had nothing wrong. It's just V that doesn't sit well for me and many others, as I can see. So think again. It's been the "standard" for Rockstar since October 2013. If you had V on Last Gen and updated every time since the start BEFORE Heists were released, you'd see that in the D-Pad List, they added like 30 Vehicles. So don't tell me this isn't "normal" as it's been happening for over a year now and has so many Vehicles added. Why they stopped now, I have no clue. But I don't give a f*ck, I can do whatever I want and get whatever I want in V at any given time via Save Editor. With that said, I still don't even want to play V... A.O.D.88 and Cutter De Blanc 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't a f*ck about these bugs.... Where the f*ck is my heist vehicles and content on f*cking singleplayer This is what's wrong with video games today. Dangerous and sad 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith John Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) @Militia You don't want to play it but you still play it? Clearly this says a lot. Edited March 27, 2015 by John Smith _Klebitz_ 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 @Militia You don't want to play it but you still play it? Clearly this says a lot. ":My GOD I hate this game, if I could, just, maybe, somehow just stop playing it..." Turn off your console. Turn off your computer. Do something else and calm the f*ck down? _Klebitz_ and Smith John 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith John Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I mean, R* must be doing something right if they design a game that the consumer dislikes so much they still play it. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzknuckles Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 There's crack in the pixels. ThunderBanana 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/780107-the-truth-about-these-downgrades/#findComment-1067203536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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