(SPOILERS!) Which thing is bigger slap to the older games...?

[Miscer]

im glad johnny k is dead

 

f*ck the lost and their wannabe tough guy biker bullsh*t

[Jimbatron]

I really liked Johnny. And I didn't like Trevor for a bit after he killed Johnny.

 

But I didn't spend weeks crying and being upset with Rockstar for doing that, and trying to argue that it shouldn't have happened, and that the story THEY WROTE for the character THEY CREATED didn't "make sense." Especially when TLAD hinted at Johnny's past drug abuse.

This 100%

[Alvarez]

Johnny's death.

He went down like a bitсh, instead of selfdestructing rage over dead Ashley.

 

I wonder, if there will be any commotion, if Trevor gets killed by a metrosexual character like "original" Lobo.

[CarnageRacing00]

 

Erm... None. Like what, is this the thread about angry nostalgic fanboys able to get their frustration out?

humm, yes, a lot of people like(d) Johnny K and the status quo of Groove Street.

 

this inclusions/changes are unnecesary.

 

 

I disagree.

 

Although it's been made clear that the 3D era games do not share the same canon as the HD era games, if you paid attention to the story in San Andreas, it only makes perfect sense that the Ballas would eventually take over Grove Street. GSF were on the downslide and not even CJ could save them. The drugs took over and GSF fell apart.

 

Which Johnny, however, well that was obviously Rockstar's nod to everyone who hated the serious tone of GTA IV/TLAD (which was a LOT of people for a very long time). They couldn't kill Niko because A) His voice actor ain't never working for Rockstar again, and B) Niko was the one thing about IV that people didn't hate when the game originally came out. They couldn't kill Luis because Luis was in a "silly", more traditional feeling GTA game. Killing Johnny was Rockstar's way of saying "Ok, you f*ckers hated the serious stuff, well we're stomping serious stuff's brains out on the ground right now".

[HoleInTheSky]

Johnny, and Rockstar's attitude towards the Lost in general. TLAD didn't sell because media-indoctrinated people are going to dislike the biker theme regardless, so Rockstar decided to sh*t on their own portfolio after coming to this realisation. Unfortunately for them, they had invested in a story that didn't tick all the right Hollywood boxes.

Grove Street and the Ballas isn't something I would expect people to be bothered by, seeing as Ballas and Families are more background furniture for the map than anything, besides a couple of missions. Separating the two versions by switching round the gangs' spiritual descendants was a good choice.

[cdgl]

 

Johnny, and Rockstar's attitude towards the Lost in general. TLAD didn't sell because media-indoctrinated people are going to dislike the biker theme regardless, so Rockstar decided to sh*t on their own portfolio after coming to this realisation. Unfortunately for them, they had invested in a story that didn't tick all the right Hollywood boxes.

Grove Street and the Ballas isn't something I would expect people to be bothered by, seeing as Ballas and Families are more background furniture for the map than anything, besides a couple of missions. Separating the two versions by switching round the gangs' spiritual descendants was a good choice.

 

 

TLAD didnt sell because it was even more depressing than GTA IV and most missions were shoot outs using the sawnoff shotgun from long distances lol

 

it had nothing to do with hollywood or the media

Edited March 28, 2015 by cdgl

[Edward Nashton]

 

Johnny, and Rockstar's attitude towards the Lost in general. TLAD didn't sell because media-indoctrinated people are going to dislike the biker theme regardless, so Rockstar decided to sh*t on their own portfolio after coming to this realisation. Unfortunately for them, they had invested in a story that didn't tick all the right Hollywood boxes.

Grove Street and the Ballas isn't something I would expect people to be bothered by, seeing as Ballas and Families are more background furniture for the map than anything, besides a couple of missions. Separating the two versions by switching round the gangs' spiritual descendants was a good choice.

 

[CarlitoDorito]

Johnnys death was a slap in the face for people who liked him, killing the lost probably more to the lost and damned DLC. Grove Street is fine how it is for me, I spent plenty of time there in S.A.

Edited March 28, 2015 by CarlitoDorito

[The Green Sabre]

^ What amazes me is that R* had to get the voice actors for Johnny, Clay, and Terry back. Then, they had to create new models, get the actors to mo-cap them, and had them record a few lines of dialogue. They went through all that trouble just to kill them all off within the span of a couple of minutes.

 

I won't lie, I think that the TLAD fans have the right to be a bit pissed off about that disservice.

[k0NG3ØRN]

TLAD didnt sell because it was even more depressing than GTA IV and most missions were shoot outs using the sawnoff shotgun from long distances lol

it had nothing to do with hollywood or the media

 

I agree. I already knew how it would end, from looking at my friend's saved game. (Edit: That's why I didn't even bother playing TLAD.) That; and the depressing atmosphere surrounding the biker gang was exaggerated. The bikers where I'm from(dk) are fresh and clean Viking warriors, not strung-out desperadoes.

 

Everything about Franklin says he should have been a Balla instead; his pragmatic attitude, his hood (Chamberlain Hills - Idlewood) and his drug-dealing friends, Lamar and Trevor. Had they any vision, they would have kept Grove Street as it was (Edit: in GTASA), along with the Vagos' and Aztecas' respective territories.

Edited March 28, 2015 by k0NG3ØRN

[Mr_Leone]

Well that's probably because jail in Denmark is like a night at the Vankhoff Hotel. From the little I know about Denmark, you can't even become homeless without f*cking up beyond belief.

 

I can't imagine the issue being the depressing overtones in TLAD...I mean damn, why does it feel as if the HD era guys are completely different than the guys who played the III era? It was dark, as well, at times. Toni committed terrorism, Donald Love ate Avery Carrington, CJ buried a foreman alive for catcalling his sister...lots of stuff that can perceived as dark was in the series for a long time. It's nothing new.

[cdgl]

GTA San Andreas wasnt dark

 

GTA Vice City wasnt dark either

 

GTA III was a bit depressing but it was because of the weather

 

Liberty City in IV was colorless, and the difference was that even though in the 3D era they struggled, at the end they won something

 

no matter what you did in TLAD everything went to sh*t, the gang got split up, the members were dying, and in the end they burn the building

 

besides Billy Grey was way more charismatic than Johnny was, he was just a white knight who got dragged down by Ashley and look what happened to him

 

The thing was that 3D era was more iconic because they had the perfect balance between seriousness and comedy, while HD era is either too serious ( GTA IV ) or too ridiculous ( GTA V )

 

and im not a "HD era" guy i been playing GTA since GTA 2

Edited March 29, 2015 by cdgl

[B Dawg]

Turning the most badass, toughest, hardcore PLAYABLE gang in GTA into pussies and target-practice for MFT and online players is far worse than just giving a small culdesac to the Ballas.

 

Let's battle-harden bikers in tough Gang Wars against Liberty City's most ruthless gangs (Angels Of Death, Italian Mob, Russian Mob, Yardies, etc...), and then let them die at the hands of some meth-head redneck and ugly online characters. The hell?

Edited March 28, 2015 by B Dawg

[cdgl]

GTA characters are only strong while we are supposed to use them because they are protagonists in those games, after their games are done it's over, they become a normal citizen who can get killed.

 

Salvatore Leone was killed just with a sniper rifle, after everything he owned and did in LCS and GTA San Andreas.

 

Victor Vance was killed in the drug deal at the beginning of vice city, even when he was a soldier in VCS and fought Jerry Martinez and the cartel all by himself.

[VolkXue]

Johnnys K's popularity overestimated in some circles.. I think you have to be a halfassed biker or metal fan to care and whats sad is the Lost where still some bad 80s representation of a biker gang.

[The Dedito Gae]

Turning the most badass, toughest, hardcore PLAYABLE gang in GTA into pussies and target-practice for MFT and online players is far worse than just giving a small culdesac to the Ballas.

the treatment of the gang waesn't better in IV/EFLC, even in TLAD you had many missions were you killed several Lost factions.

[B Dawg]

 

Turning the most badass, toughest, hardcore PLAYABLE gang in GTA into pussies and target-practice for MFT and online players is far worse than just giving a small culdesac to the Ballas.

the treatment of the gang waesn't better in IV/EFLC, even in TLAD you had many missions were you killed several Lost factions.

You killed traitors and ass lickers, leaving the club with True Brothers only. It was good enough for me. Online modes in IV (Mafiya Work and Deal Breaker) and TLAD had you go after the Angels Of Death.

[The Dedito Gae]

You killed traitors and ass lickers, leaving the club with True Brothers only. It was good enough for me. Online modes in IV (Mafiya Work and Deal Breaker) and TLAD had you go after the Angels Of Death.

the lost camp were Billy Grey ass kissers if that makes you feel any better.

 

 

although i will repeat myself, it would have been way better just having A.O.D MC instead of the Lost MC.

Edited March 28, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[Crockett and Tubbs]

I don't what was more shocking...

 

Seeing Johnny K die or Victor Vance. So far, that's twice seeing protagonist's from previous GTA games die in another installment.

 

Anyways, "Choice B" was a pleasure and I'd do it all over again too. Never liked a "corny over-the-top humor that seemed forced" as a protagonist.

[Edward Nashton]

 

 

Turning the most badass, toughest, hardcore PLAYABLE gang in GTA into pussies and target-practice for MFT and online players is far worse than just giving a small culdesac to the Ballas.

the treatment of the gang waesn't better in IV/EFLC, even in TLAD you had many missions were you killed several Lost factions.

You killed traitors and ass lickers, leaving the club with True Brothers only. It was good enough for me. Online modes in IV (Mafiya Work and Deal Breaker) and TLAD had you go after the Angels Of Death.

 

The Lost were introduced as enemies in IV, I remember killing several Lost members as Niko - two of whom were high ranking members and in TBOGT Luis slaughters what must have been half of the chapter;

starts at 5:30

 

Edited March 29, 2015 by Edward Nashton

[Chorizombie]

The Lost MC having environment friendly sport bikes in their bar in the Pacific Bank heist preparation. Come on, they f*cked up the lore big time with that. No chopper MC would ever touch a sport bike. the least the could do was re-introduce the Uptown Riders (allies in The Lost and Damned DLC) as in visiting their San Andreas chapter thinking in opening another group of their own and The Lost hosting a welcoming party for them, there's a million things R* could have made to keep everything in lore friendly order.

[Zinou03]

Most of the GTA characters wont have a happy ending indeed, Johnny was one of them and Trevor will probably end up just like him.

This is why Michael was my favorite character in V and probably in all the GTA games, because he tells Franklin at some point in the game "Look, you wake up one day and your legs, they just give, you just can't run anymore"

Survival is winning, everything else is bullsh*t.

Edited March 29, 2015 by Zinou03

[k0NG3ØRN]

Johnnys K's popularity overestimated in some circles...whats sad is the Lost were still some bad 80s representation of a biker gang.

 

I'd say 70s representation.

[k0NG3ØRN]

Honestly I don't even take Grove street or the 'hood' parts of V seriously.

 

To me V is Sandy Shores, that area gets my heart racing like you wouldn't believe, what a beauty!

 

I wish Trevor murdered Luis Lopez rather than Johnny though...

Luis came to San Andreas to start-up a club or something and messed with the wrong guy (Trevor) and BANG!!! A big red hole in Luis's face

 

Or the altruist camp.

[Alvarez]

The Lost MC having environment friendly sport bikes in their bar in the Pacific Bank heist preparation. Come on, they f*cked up the lore big time with that. No chopper MC would ever touch a sport bike. the least the could do was re-introduce the Uptown Riders (allies in The Lost and Damned DLC) as in visiting their San Andreas chapter thinking in opening another group of their own and The Lost hosting a welcoming party for them, there's a million things R* could have made to keep everything in lore friendly order.

They might be stolen and are supposed to be sold. Because biker gangs do things like that.

[natetheguitarkid]

None. They killed Johnny because Rockstar is all about moving on.

 

They didn't mention CJ or anything from the old PS2 games because Rockstar wants to move on and do something different.

 

This game is about pulling off big heists. It's not about running around Liberty City's slums slinging dope. If you want to live in the past, go ahead. Reinstall GTAIV or San Andreas and have a blast. But these changes in GTAV are simply easter eggs for fans and help bring in the new age.

 

As much as i like change, it feels like rockstar are too focused on it, and are trying to change whatever they can, and its not always an improvement, they just change sh*t for the f*ck of it, and are too full of themselves to come back to the past or listen to their fans. They pulled a dick move separating the HD and 3D era. I just hope they keep that kind of bullsh*t in GTA and dont do that in Red Dead. But its their creations, i guess i cant get too hung up about it. Point is sometimes doing things old school, or looking at the past is beneficial.

[PhillBellic]

What Rockstar did with The Lost MC, and Johnny Klebitz, still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[Lisha]

What happened to Johnny turned my stomach. I was on Skype to my friend at the time and I couldn't believe what I was watching, tbh. He'd already played through that bit and he was waiting for my reaction.

 

Grove Street bothered me too. Once it sank in, I started shooting, lmao.

Edited April 11, 2015 by Lisha

[Ezza.]

I honestly don't care that Johnny is dead, and I'm pretty sure the majority of players agree with me. I mean, it's always the minority of people that yell the loudest.

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Although, I do go against the whole notion that "V's Story and the Lost in general goes against the Ending of TLAD!!"

 

As the Lost's Alderney chapter gave up drugs and almost crime in general at the end of the TLAD story, it's not unlikely that they decided to saddle up and ride across country, trying to get as far away from the hell that happened in Liberty and Alderney States as possible. But how exactly does a biker group move on from crime and drugs to make their money?

 

They can't. Most criminals (especially drug addicts) often return into their criminal lives and ways when in desperation. More than likely, they began to move drugs and rob and steal accross the Country, until eventually finding their way to Sandy Shores where they can get a constant stream of drugs and dumb rednecks to sign up and join the club. Until well, their head meth dealer comes down hard on them.

 

Now before I get attacked by the IV Fanboys (which by the definition of "Fanboy", a lot of you are), just remember that 5 years is a long time.

Edited April 11, 2015 by Ezza.

[Frank ツ]

The fact that Niko "went quiet". Not telling us if he is alive or dead.

I would like to see him back in a future gta