what will you do when heist leader being greedy ?

[Ghoffman9]

If I helped them with the setup missions (especially if I carried the team during those setups) I ask the leader if I am worth such a small cut. Imploring them to choose wisely, as two different outcomes is going to happen based on how he answers. Most end up caving and giving me my fair 20%, especially when I remind them how incompetant most randumbs are if they decide to take that route.

 

I have to often fight for my fair share these days as being over the rank of 500 now for some reason disqualifies me from a fair share because "I made enough money already". -_-

Either that or being kicked outright because many people out there that still stupidly thinks that High Rank = Modder.

Edited January 24, 2017 by Ghoffman9

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

Why are we reviving this thread all the time?

We all got it by now.

idk how but then again i don't mind though

i'll be here still reading 2017 member's opinion

 

Better reviving then duplicating IMO.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ Ghoffman9... I'm in full agreement dude! Hate that players think i'm rich (being lvl 430) and setting my share to 0% 5% or 10%... I text them to be fair, if they refuse I tend to just not ready up, so many players think that by running down the clock to get to outfit choice that i'd then do the job, again I wait 4:40 then quit, host lost 10 minutes to make him rage out, I don't care if I waste 5/10 mins to make a stand, at my level those hosts are right, I have more cash than they do (usually) so to lose a few minutes to an idiot is no bother, I do get some fun messages for holding out too, bad init?! Like ya said, with randoms i'll get offered peanuts or kicked as they know at a high level I either must have cheated or I will ask for more.

[Mrs. Buzz]

I play many random heists, many. And I'm legit rich so I don't really care about the cut. I've experienced everything. From getting the most as highest level to automaticly set to 0 for the same reason. Once I've played all setups with them (most lvl's btween 20-120ish) and they were willing to learn and polite, I'm fine with at least 5% as a small attention. If I join a final and never played with them before - well if the host kindly asks I'm fluffy, too. If he just sets me to 0% without a word, I can be a real b*tch sometimes for an epic fail of his final at a point they wouldn't expect that happen - with apologys to the others. Long time ago I did that, though.

 

Mostly they're really fair and do 40/20/20/20 and won't accept my renouncement.

[LincolnClay]

Anything under 15% is too low. I'm not having it.

Edited January 24, 2017 by TheGamingPr025

[Dust]

Story Time:

The other night a friend that I haven't spoked to in a while messaged me to join his pacific finale and was wondering if I had a fourth player that could join. So we start the heist and we have our fourth (a random) and I just told him to take my % so he took 70% and gave my friend who I was in a party with 15% and this other random rank 50 his 15%. I switched to game chat to talk to the host (my distant friend) I kept asking him to join the party but he would't really give me a straight answer so I mentioned that my friend that I was partied with had 19M and to give the rank 50 a good cut because he needs the money the most. (If I was a rank 50 and I wanted to buy a Yacht, I would want someone to stand up for me who needs the money the most.)

So then my friend from the party waits 5 minutes with all of us ready and doesn't even message me about how he won't even participate unless he gets 25%. He is the only one with the ideal apartment and the kuruma so he felt a little underpaid. I was thinking to myself "You're RANK 800 with 20M.... these other two guys are doing a heist because they need the money now. We didn't do any setups so why not just have fun playing a heist finale and help them the best we can.

So my friend in the party backs out of the lobby after making us stare at the timer. I switch back to party chat and he was pretty silent. I asked him why he backed out and then he gets aggravated about the money he thought he was getting. 15% he says "WTF is that" I mentioned that the host and the rank 50 were broke and desperate for a few hundred thousand (obvious) Him and I had millions already saved up but he still thought that none of that mattered. I felt that he was being selfish but I didn't tell him that. He was right about being a crucial member because he was the only one with the kuruma/apartment and knew the getaway route. After all of that BS the host didn't invite us back even though I was trying to do him a favor to rekindle our friendship. A few hundred thousand won't change my night. It's just a number to me. If I simply forfeit my % instead of acting entitled maybe I can contribute to someone else's night who clearly needs that cash. I felt like I let everyone down. If the host had joined the party like anyone would have none if this miscommunication would have happened I bet.

[*Lola]

I joined a public heist yesterday and the host set him and I at 0%. Gave the other players 30% and 70%. I helped like I was a team player. Once I got into my garage to get my Kuruma, I sat there for two minutes while they got shot up by police and was down now 50k.

I pick them up and head to the boat. Along the way one of the players jumps from Kuruma. I pick him up and then two jump out. Now the only door left on the Kuruma is my drivers door. I think they wanted to drive the Kuruma. Not happening. LOL

We get to the bridge and it's blocked by an armored swat truck and a bunch of cop cars. I didn't have time to take the railroad tracks and didn't want to spoil their heist by running out of time. I take the road along side the river to the boat. We get to the boat and they jump out.

My plan was to drive off after they got in boat. Cops shot me through the door opening of the Kuruma before I could leave them. Not the exact ending I wanted, but ended well anyway.

 

[aaronBLUEeyes]

15% is fair and that's why it's the default. As a heist leader if I higher a non-crew that what they get but crew earn 20%.

 

On the opposite side, anyone demanding 25% gets kicked from heist because that's unfair to heist leader.

 

If I were you and he offered you a fair cut but nobody else, then play it's on the others to negotiate for a higher cut.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ The_Dust_69... I agree with your friend that held out and left, well not exactly... If I was there I'd have asked 20% if I was the only one with Kuruma and apt. It's an investment I made, I'd be carrying the load and I didn't get rich by taking nothing I'm afraid... All I agree is that to ask 25% but not help set up is too much, but a heist team carrier should get paid accordingly dude. the host and low level should either have to or want to earn their way through, it took time and effort to get where I'm at, to be undervalued by noobs is an insult unless it's been previously arranged. Sorry but I don't like assumptions made based on my level or bank balance and feel I should be paid respectfully unless I offer or am asked by the people wanting the help. Manners cost nothing and it's not on you to justify the poor hosting done by player 1, the lvl 50 needs to learn to make his/her own stand too or will struggle in future if you aren't there to sugarcoat the effort or time it takes to master GTA. I get you wanted to help, I really do, but to assume that someone will take zero or a minimal cut without prior arrangement is a bit harsh.

Edited January 25, 2017 by KWF1981

[Lonely-Martin]

@ *Lola... Sometimes I'll kick them from the car when jumping off the mountain, soon catches out the sleepwalkers too, agreed though, that boat ain't hitting the checkpoint when I get nothing but childish behaviour from a heist group... And if I'm running with a plan to sabotage an unfair hosts job, I never take any shortcuts so they learn little that way too... Bless 'em... But yeah, I don't heist with randumbs for nothing, I help friendlies that way of course, a pre-arranged thing where a low level buddy needs a bump, of course, we roll proper, but when I'm alone and just joining random heists, I'm doing so to find cash and potentially the next great guy/gal to add to our group too...

[DLcoolJ]

I have enough cash now at level 544, and don't tend to do as many heists as back in the day but for me it all about principles and how a heist leader may go about doing it.

 

I've been nicely asked before if I need the money or if I would consider a lower cut, and if this is the case, then generally I'll let them take a bigger cut, no problem.

 

If however they just assume I will take 15% (or even less), I'll come on the mic and give them one chance to be reasonable if they wiush to secure my services... if not, I'll leave them to it and they can scrabble around for a level 20 to come and take my place and their 10% cut or whatever.

[cipher656]

i don't really do anything but i'm probably not 100% committed as i would be if i was doing heists with crew.

[hotrats773]

I hate the nickel and dime quickstart bitches in Fleeca. For some reason, I've had that happen a LOT recently.

Join a heist from my phone...

"Oh awesome Fleeca!" *eye roll*
(I don't mind playing Fleeca as long as I feel the other player isn't a goofball).

I get barely a glance at the board but just enough to see the bitch host try to sqeeze one in on me and lower my cut to 35% and then start the heist.
(Funny thing is, if he would have told me ahead of time, I wouldn't care but he made his bed so he's going to sleep in it).

 

Walk to the car, steal the car and go on a joy ride, Flare gun Lester, kill myself. Try to be creative.

 

f*ck these guys, seriously. Why would you want to risk wasting everyones time by trying to shave 5% off my cut without being up front?

[GTAnger]

I give 20% but I only do back to back pac finales so it's 250k per 10mins.. only noobs still do setups in 2017

[MysticJon]

As long as I get at least 10%, I'm usually OK. Any lower and I'll tell the heist leader to give me at least 10%, and usually they comply. Not always, but most of the time.

 

Now, I've been reading through this thread and there's quite a few people talking about how they had to suffer through set-up missions to get to the finale and they're hosting so what they say is fair, is fair. I have to say, that's quite narrow minded of you to say that. Sure, you had to get through the set-up missions and with random that can be frustrating. But who's to say I haven't been suffering through set-up missions too? I like heists. I matchmake into them quite often. I'll go resupply my Coke lockup and then do some heists while they make product for me. As I'm sure you know, the vast majority of the time, when you search for a heist, you'll be put into a set-up mission. Getting put into a finale is rare. So, yea, I've been doing a ton of set-up missions too. Probably more than you had to do to get to your heist finale. Just because they weren't set-ups for YOUR heist doesn't mean I didn't have to go through them.

 

Also, the argument that as leader you don't get paid for completing the set-ups, is in my eyes pretty weak also. You don't get paid, but other than paying the set-up cost, you don't lose any additional money. The heist leader just doesn't get paid for set-ups. That's not a money loss, it's neutral. You don't lose anything extra.

 

And the final nail in the coffin, when you're setting up for a heist finale, the game literally shows all players how much the heist leader paid to set up the heist and how much the cut is and the total take, etc. Which means, we can use the power of math to actually calculate what is a fair cut for everyone. You sit there and tell me you need 70% because you're the leader and you paid the set up cost and you had to get through the setups and the setups didn't pay you. Bullsh*t. I can do math. I can figure in everything that you said and come up with a fair cut for everyone, and it ain't 70% for you, I can tell you that much. Maybe you can't do math, maybe you're just trying to be greedy, but it's not gonna fly with me.

 

Like I said at the beginning of this, I personally am fine so long as I get at least 10%. It's just, some people, man, they sure can come up with ways to try to justify themselves being so damn greedy...

Edited January 26, 2017 by MysticJon

[Lonely-Martin]

@ GTAnger... Only c*nts cheat. Go away!

@ hotrats773... OMG! How many times I've readied up only for the host to change my cut to 30% then start before I can jump, usually I catch it and not ready, but the odd one gets by me, the poor saps really do think that because i'm at the outfit select screen that i'm definitely doing this for them... Daft fools indeed, get some funny messages too there, lol...

[Lonely-Martin]

@ MysticJon... I do a similar thing dude, spam the phone between free mode supplies etc, too many these days getting greedy. I do understand the grief a host gets at times, but after all that crap they then get help only to try and f*ck me over in the end! Greed, they see the big number and think everyone's there because they want to be, most heist for cash, I do, why would I not want anything, you know... Bless 'em. I've walked because players lower my cut after I ready, then they abuse my msg box, only for an hour later for them to have gotten more grief from the next 3 guys they try to screw, again not learning, then they text to say sorry and they'll give me 25% or more to help get it done, I negotiate to get the 40% and still tell them to jog on, I have no respect or remorse for an arrogant, greedy, selfish player that dug me out only to really realise after they need a team man... Get's very funny though, love a wind-up me...

[Da Elite Ninjah]

So I join a fleeca job. During the setups I do all the work. When stealing the kuruma he wasnt even at the parking garage when i was done. (whatever, I put in a 100% for everybody) We arrive at the heist, the host sees that I have a high rank and thinks he can get away with a 70/30 cut. I tell him it's not enough for the work I put in, and that he gets what he pays for. He still makes the decision to start the game 70/30.

He gives me the driver job, thats cool, I do any heist job you need. I got it all under control. (and this is the most simple of all)

The mission starts, I drove him to the bank, arrived at the bank. He was still working on the hack. He f*cks up the hack at least 20 times. My headset was nearly destroyed by his screams. He did not get it done and became even angrier.
Finally, he completes the hack. We get in the bank. Now he starts to drill, even that takes 5 minutes. meanwhile, he was so done with this game. LOL. I tried to calm him down so he wouldnt leave. Finally he gets the drill done.

He runs to the kuruma, I let him in and drive away. first roadblock, no problem, I pass it on the left. Second roadblock, no problem. I pass it on the left. Third roadblock, I fly between the cars. still no problem. (it's the easiest Heist job right?)

We're almost at the bridge and I ask him. hacking was really a pain in the @$$ huh? and that drilling? .. Yes he says, “I'm so glad I don’t have to do it anymore ever again. I was almost at the point of trowing my xbox out the window.”

That moment I remind him that he has not paid me enough and the next time he should be less greedy.

I drove the kuruma into the sea. mission failed

Edited January 26, 2017 by Da Elite Ninjah

[Killer Whale]

I'd just quit immediately. Or if he gives me 0%, I'll "go along" and I will make sure the heist fails each and every time until he quits.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Mr_No

[0cta]

We're almost at the bridge and I ask him. hacking was really a pain in the @$$ huh? and that drilling? .. Yes he says, “I'm so glad I don’t have to do it anymore ever again. I was almost at the point of trowing my xbox out the window.”

That moment I remind him that he has not paid me enough and the next time he should be less greedy.

I drove the kuruma into the sea. mission failed

 

You left out the most important part: WHAT HAPPENED THEN?

 

I take a guess:

 

 

 

[GTAnger]

@ GTAnger... Only c*nts cheat. Go away!

 

@ hotrats773... OMG! How many times I've readied up only for the host to change my cut to 30% then start before I can jump, usually I catch it and not ready, but the odd one gets by me, the poor saps really do think that because i'm at the outfit select screen that i'm definitely doing this for them... Daft fools indeed, get some funny messages too there, lol...

Don't hate because you're broke... it's actually kinda funny u call me a cheat because you tried to add me and get on my pac standard glitch a few times

[Lonely-Martin]

@ GTAnger... Not glitched/cheated/modded once, struck many down for doing so too... Broke?! Well i'm not rich as I don't really grind, I just play whatever I fancy and cash comes... But of course you'd come up with something, and it was much more lame than expected dude. G'nite.

[It'same]

I dunno, depends on the situation. I think 15% is ok, but going on what someone else already stated, the PAC finale can be ran back to back without setups so why be stingy? Anyway, I sometimes hold out to ready-up, and if my cut is still sh*tty or the leader is a squeaking little jackass I'll screw around at their expense. You can't shoot your teammates but you can take pot shots at the bags of cash.

[Da Elite Ninjah]

 

We're almost at the bridge and I ask him. hacking was really a pain in the @$$ huh? and that drilling? .. Yes he says, “I'm so glad I don’t have to do it anymore ever again. I was almost at the point of trowing my xbox out the window.”

That moment I remind him that he has not paid me enough and the next time he should be less greedy.

I drove the kuruma into the sea. mission failed

 

You left out the most important part: WHAT HAPPENED THEN?

 

I take a guess:

 

 

 

 

lol that's how it started. after that it was hate messages. Even tho i did not even reply once they lasted for over a week

[update_lsc]

I give 20% but I only do back to back pac finales so it's 250k per 10mins.. only noobs still do setups in 2017

Yeah right, not cheating is being a noob nowadays. Nice logic.

 

 

I can't remember that somebody in a random heist screwed me over. I guess i was just lucky. Nowadays i'm always with at least one friend, and either i or them are hosting. So guaranteed 40% or 20%. If some random would give me nothing, i'm sure i'd just troll at the end and cause the heist to fail.

[Kevert]

Welp Phyxsius is clearly the most selfish entitled asshole in this thread and it ain't even close although anyone who stays in a heist until the very end to intentionally fail isn't much better. Stubbornly refuses to be guilt tripped into admitting how much of a self-centered c*nt he/she is despite a handful of people reminding them that for every single host they get angry with for not receiving their demanded cut and subsequently sabotaging the heist, they're being a complete dick to and wasting the time of DOUBLE that amount of honest innocent players just trying to get through the job and earn some cash. Oh but wait, it doesn't stop there dear forum members, oh absolutely not.

Phyxsius musters up this pathetic justification for those misfortunate souls that must endure this selfish bs with this and I quote "I will make it up to you IF I think you are worth your salt. If you are not, well, you are not, but you will not stand between me and my goals, sorry."

So in essence Phyxsius is excluding any kind of potential recompense for the lower levels and weaker players (ie those who need the money more than anyone) all in the name of their own ridiculous selfish agenda with the host when they could have just left the session.. -_-

 

You Phyxsius are the true embodiment of a selfish piece of sh*t willing to rain down on everyone's parade at a moments notice merely because one person pissed you off and didn't meet your unrealistic predetermined standards. We all see it since you have so willingly revealed it to us within this thread and your adamant stance on refusing to be guilt-tripped for it (ie look in the mirror at yourself) only reinforces that notion ten fold and highlights your unwillingness to accept the truth about yourself. I truly hope that you will grow into a better person in the future because that kind of behaviour screams of someone juvenile and spiteful with only regard for themselves.

 

Apologies for the rant that is off topic people but this individual desperately needs a wake up call on their approach and treatment of others in life as well as some much needed self-reflection so I just felt the need to put it out there.

 

On Topic: If there is too large a discrepancy in the cuts, I will just leave the lobby because it's not fair to the other two honest players in the heist who want to complete it if I just sabotage the whole thing midway through or force them to wait on a timer and then leave as much as I might want to antagonise a greedy host. There are people out there with busy lives like "Absolut" who can only play videogames for some scarce hours during any given week due to other obligations (job, family etc). I am mindful of other people unlike a whole bunch of clowns in this thread. Many of you behave like juveniles regarding this issue and really need to check yourselves.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Kevert

[Jimbatron]

I'll accept 15% if I didn't help with all the setups - but no less. If some one suggests less than that I won't ready up.

 

I think I see more problems with people joining just for the finale and demanding 20% than greedy leaders.

[Xiled]

Had rockstar been smart and not let the community decide what was fair the whole payouts thing wouldn't even an issue. Everyone should get setup payouts. Everyone should pay 25% to start the finale and everyone should get 25% of the payout for the heists. The finale gives you a majority of the money of course players only wanna join for the finale. Every second you fight about heist payouts = another second you won't get payed. Its been stated hundreds of times that the most equal payouts are 40 20 20 20 because of the host having to pay 100% to start the heist and not getting payed for setup missions.

 

Some here call others skipping the setups "cheaters" but most likely only play the pacific standard heist themselves. Using rockstars logic when they nerfed mission payouts, you should play other heists besides just grinding the same one over and over again.

[Sanches]

Im just leaving "greedy" ones. I rarely do heist from start to the end with randoms. But when i do and host is giving me 20% i still stay for finale.

[Zeta87]

If they try to give me less than a 15% cut they can f*ck off: i'm either leaving or ruining the heist on purpose.