The Delay APPRECIATION Thread

[TheMostKnowledgable]

It's kind of like a poll. Except it wouldn't fit to put poll options. It's more like a polling. To see how many could go by the evidence alone, and then entertain hypotheses that make these delays quite alright indeed.

 

I will offer one of my own, to show how, when we go by "ONLY what Rockstar says on Newswire is official", we can derive just as many really sound and worthy, even downright #caring theories for these delays as we can derive theories about greed or poor portsmanship (I hereby also attest from now on this is what we call poor ports on PC, poor portsmanship. Foul, like poor sportsmanship. Coined. Moving on...).

 

Perhaps they, knowing that their technology is not as simple as "this grade gpu, this cpu with this many ghz's", wanted to make sure that issues wouldn't be repeated. Make sure that you can lower those details, while ramping up the textures, or to expand the details, while lowering the textures - that example is one where we take consideration for variance in overall bandwidth a system has, and memory bandwidth of the gpu, and so on. At any level of that argument, the case could be made that they have foreseen trouble and decided to revamp their graphics settings configuration strategy.

 

If we look at the steam hardware survey, while we know not every gamer uses steam, they are now the most used platform with over 135 million active accounts (old data), and so we can assume that they have a good picture of the overall computing landscape which is as displayed here, currently, and you can expand the cpu and vram options there and get an idea of where CPU's are floating around right now:

 

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

More useful, though be prepared to do some fuzzy math on picking out the majority here with the most prevalent chips still under 3 percent, is the GPU section:

 

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

 

Rockstar has tried to really dig in and give an optimized game that is going to work good. It's taken some extra time because they've discovered some aspects of this and other similar data that have helped them out to make some decisions that led to the SysReqs saying "This will need better hardware later" - they've optimized for now, and plan to improve.

 

Consider Sleeping Dogs. You can no longer buy that on Steam. You have to get Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition. Graphically superior remaster of a game that was only out a short time prior. You see that from "LG" to "CG" GTA V, and now with the PC screens. But what is in store for the game in the future?

 

 

These are good reasons for a delay that make sense when you think about them. What other good reasons have you got? Are you appreciative if this kind of thought went into this game? What if it has to do with the 60fps rumor? Was that rumor a market test, and then guaging reaction of "if it's real", they decided "let's increase the graphics later, and for now, give them something that will run 60fps and match the new gen consoles, if not exceed it (resolution size is superficial, and I already see greater detail from being able to use higher level anisotropy on PC as it is - very excited) and then update it later like how skyrim gave the HD textures pack"

 

I rather Like a good, smooth, cinematic-inspired-post-processed 30fps game when it's designed for it. 60fps is just an example - what if somehting else, or that - something they saw someone saying, made them decide to go the extra mile - I'd appreciate that, when it comes to me, I appreciate that notion and dedication.

 

Think about it. Gimme something to think about it, too.

Edited March 16, 2015 by TheMostKnowledgable

[thefiretitan]

What delay?

It's coming next month..

[TheMostKnowledgable]

The PC version has been delayed twice in a single quarter. That like, isn't supposed to happen. That is the kind of sh*t that doesn't happen

 

There's got to be a good reason. I offered up a couple examples, maybe there are more. I like perspective, that's all.

[Totallycasual]

If you appreciate delays you need to have your head examined.

 

If the game was honestly delayed for polish/optimization i wouldn't mind but its pretty clear to me that its more about spreading the multi-platform versions as far apart as possible to maximize profits.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Lethal-lock

[Paladin Goo]

It was to make money from Heists. Every other theory is wrong. There's no coincidence here that they announce both delays while announcing that Heists is to be released in "the coming weeks". It was purely for Heists. No discussion necessary.

[MD_Shardul]

I'm not gonna speak for other people but for myself. While I can see the point in your post, there are few other things that get under my skin and make me despise R* for these delays.

 

I'm not appreciative of the fact that they've thrown around what seems like random dates for the release of the PC version. Random in the sense that they weren't sure about those dates themselves (remember that Early 2015 thing on steam) and yet they decided to market the game with those dates anyway.

 

I'm also not appreciative of the fact that they decided to let us know about the delay mere 2 weeks before the actual release back in January. That really made me wonder - do they even give a crap?

[Kaito Katsumi]

Not appreciated, but not hated. That's my stand.

Appeciation isn't the right word here, its like a cake that your mum promised but it arrived a month after your birthday.

Unless you hate the game, you don't appreciate it.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Kaito Katsumi

[floydbloke]

Floyd is frustrated by having to wait longer to be able to play the game, and also rather annoyed by the PR spin they put on the delay announcements. (Although that seems to be the norm for large organisations these days. Too protective of 'the brand' to tell the truth and for a sincere apology.)

[tomm_y]

What happens if the game's gonna get delayed even more with Cockstar increasing profit from console versions? You still gonna defend them?

[TheMostKnowledgable]

Can we all agree that "Poor Portsmanship" is the new thing that is for poor ports? (lol)

 

I like where this is going. I do have a question for "at least" three responses, more if you get me, too:

 

What if we find that there are "acceptable" settings for each pc, on each modern or recent-generation Desktop setup for equivalent of like 60% of the top on the hardware survey,easy upgrade for anyone below? Will it be great? I think it will, if it runs great on the most prominent Desktop scenarios, I think they will have delivered. Want the perfect launch.

 

Especially if they add some extra for the "extra" or "ultra" or "enthusiast" crowd.

 

I fully expect a nice parity in release in-future, though.

 

I really think Rockstar will cater the PC beside or near-beside the consoles from now on. Limited data, limited life studio, but I think so. After max payne near-parity in release, and with "extra care" for "extra polish" on GTA V release, I think TTWO GTA V is a good buy Right Now for a Good Game, right now, before friday.

Edited March 16, 2015 by TheMostKnowledgable

[Stigeridoo]

I didn't even know what to think when I saw the thread title.

[jedijosh920]

No. Just no.

[GamerFromHolland]

No. Just no.

I didn't even know what to think when I saw the thread title.

Edited March 16, 2015 by GamerFromHolland

[Antaxi]

if they delay it again we will be wait longer and buying eventually, that's it

thats stupid but R knows we can/must wait

Edited March 16, 2015 by Antaxi

[mojito]

if they delay it again we will be wait longer and buying eventually, that's it

thats stupid but R knows we can/must wait

one more delay and most people will really start to walk away, i think r* knows this too.

[Antaxi]

 

if they delay it again we will be wait longer and buying eventually, that's it

thats stupid but R knows we can/must wait

one more delay and most people will really start to walk away, i think r* knows this too.

 

and what game they will play instead

walk away from forum but not gtav

when its coming they'll buy it

[1987_EC]

 

if they delay it again we will be wait longer and buying eventually, that's it

thats stupid but R knows we can/must wait

one more delay and most people will really start to walk away, i think r* knows this too.

 

not me, I will buy it eventually, its only a matter of time, ive been waiting for like how much 3 years already or so for the PC version? I can then wait a little longer, but sure I want to buy this game asap, delays sucks no one really like it.

[suisidex]

 

 

if they delay it again we will be wait longer and buying eventually, that's it

thats stupid but R knows we can/must wait

one more delay and most people will really start to walk away, i think r* knows this too.

 

and what game they will play instead

walk away from forum but not gtav

when its coming they'll buy it

 

You're acting like GTA V is the greatest game ever, no. There are many games to play even on April the 14th MKX comes out.

 

We have more exclusives than those consoles and GTA V is strictly made for consoles, FACT.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

- Ignoring all other posts and aimed strictly at OP. -

 

This is a tough one, I can sort of see your point, but you are aiming your points at too narrow a spectrum of issues.

 

GTA V has had so many issues in the background over the development of the game and almost all of them, I personally think, are so mired in bad management decisions that breaking them up and widening them is necessary.

 

Truthfully now, I am pretty certain that we should have had our release back on November 18th with our own, well built and optimised version of GTA V, but then the Suits at R* learned of what was possible with the New-Gen consoles, ironically by looking at the work being done on conversions like Sleeping Dogs : DE.... With the relative ease of conversion through shared PC and New-Gen consoles, it was they who ordered the conversion of the original PC build for New-Gen, stopping work on the PC version.

 

The Suits went for the quick cash injection and our version got left by the wayside, so when the devs went back to it, they had lost too much time and so the first batch of delays went through....

 

Now we come to the Jan delay and this time there is the pledge in that Newswire that screwed us again, that consoles would get Heists first. Everything was set for March 24th and R* were committed to that date, but then Heists and T2 started playing up!

 

Heists, I believe, were scheduled for release around Valentines Day, which would explain the lack of seasonal DLC in that window. Instead the consoles (especially XBox One) were having tech issues with Online and so R* were forced to work there to get what they could fixed. This delayed the console release and so that led to our April 14th delay. As an aside, I do believe that T2 and the year end were another problem R* were having and they were moaning about a March release too, but the Heists delays slowing our release shut them up quick enough.

 

As for the April 14th? Well, there is little left to delay us again, everything is looking okay and set and R* have started to release some PC related exclusives, not just a few screenshots so things look promising, but time will tell what we eventually get. Well optimised game, poorly optimised game or another delay....

 

All the way through this timescale has there been one mention of anything PC polishing related? It has been delays, tech issues and 'Suit meddling' elsewhere that have held us up, every time. I do believe R* will hold up their end of the deal and we will get the great game we have been waiting for (not the best game ever as it isn't fresh enough, genre changing enough or revolutionary enough to merit any of those titles.) But I do believe by Christmas we will have all forgotten, probably not forgiven that the delays were ever there in the first place.

[eastriver]

If you appreciate delays you need to have your head examined.

 

If the game was honestly delayed for polish/optimization i wouldn't mind but its pretty clear to me that its more about spreading the multi-platform versions as far apart as possible to maximize profits.

Delaying the game to maximize console profits is not a logically sound argument.

 

There is literally no reason for Rockstar to delay the game three times if their intentions were always to maximize profits on the multi-platform versions.

If they did really want to maximize profits on consoles from the start... they would of never given PC gamers a release date only to delay that date three times... they would of set the release date of April 14th from day one!

 

People here don't realize that delaying a game, not once, not twice, but three times is never in Rockstar's financial interest.

People also don't realize the extra sales that Rockstar earns from CONSOLES when delaying the game is probably not worth while.

 

People who intended to buy the game on console already long did... the people who changed their minds and finally decide to buy the game on console after the game has been delayed on PC is probably not even worth mentioning in terms of profit!

And finally, people don't realize delaying this game on PC makes Rockstar lose money... not gain a net profit! Everytime Rockstar delays the game... they delay millions of dollars of revenue from PC sales... they have to pay more money for extra development time... they probably have to pay money to developers working over shift... and you honestly believe they're doing all this so they can squeeze a little bit more money from the consoles? The extra money they gain from console sales because of the PC delay cannot compare to the money they lose when they delay this game.

 

But here's a full clarification, I'm not happy that they delayed the game three times! But that doesn't mean I believe they delayed the game three times to maximize profits on consoles (Really... that argument is simply ridiculous and I can't believe people still buy into this argument) They delayed the game because they set dates they couldn't meet... they couldn't get the game ready by their own set dates and they had to delay it. It's simple as that... but people here like to over analyze the delays and come to conclusions that are nothing but utter horse sh*t!

Edited March 16, 2015 by IG_

[Totallycasual]

 

 

Delaying the game to maximize console profits is not a logically sound argument.

 

 

In your opinion that is, the funny thing about opinions is that they're like assholes, everyone has one. Do you think stating that your opinion is right and someone else is categorically wrong makes any sense at all?

 

We're all just speculating here, having said that if you think for one second that Rockstar was being honest about a 2 month delay that just happened to sneak up on them out of nowhere a mere 2 weeks before the most recent missed release then i don't know what to say to you lol they knew that new delay was coming and denied it right up to 1-2 days before they announced it they were denying when questioned via live chat.

[Kampret]

What happens if the game's gonna get delayed even more with Cockstar increasing profit from console versions? You still gonna defend them?

 

Cockstar name is childish as f*ck.

[Totallycasual]

 

What happens if the game's gonna get delayed even more with Cockstar increasing profit from console versions? You still gonna defend them?

 

Cockstar name is childish as f*ck.

 

 

I agree, as annoyed as i am with them i think its retarded to call them cockstar.... xbone, Sony Failstation omg ive heard them all and they all sound absolutely ridiculous. Seems like something a 12 year old would say as an attack.

[LawasDS]

If they actually cared about their costumers the PC version would had come along with the Ps3/X360 version, fully optimized, no bullsh*t.

 

 

I still can't f*cking believe people defend them and buy their "We just delay it cos it needs polishing k?" master key excuse.

 

 

 

They used to be a nice company that made nice games. Now they are just bussinessmen. If all of them designers/engineers/programmers left, they would go bankrupt.

Rockstar Games relies on THAT PEOPLE, which unfortunately are forced to work a lot just to please some businessmen interests, not even their customers'.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

 

 

What happens if the game's gonna get delayed even more with Cockstar increasing profit from console versions? You still gonna defend them?

 

Cockstar name is childish as f*ck.

 

I agree, as annoyed as i am with them i think its retarded to call them cockstar.... xbone, Sony Failstation omg ive heard them all and they all sound absolutely ridiculous. Seems like something a 12 year old would say as an attack.

 

And let us not forget PC Master Race! That is the most childish of all....

[1987_EC]

If they actually cared about their costumers the PC version would had come along with the Ps3/X360 version, fully optimized, no bullsh*t.

 

 

I still can't f*cking believe people defend them and buy their "We just delay it cos it needs polishing k?" master key excuse.

 

 

 

They used to be a nice company that made nice games. Now they are just bussinessmen. If all of them designers/engineers/programmers left, they would go bankrupt.

Rockstar Games relies on THAT PEOPLE, which unfortunately are forced to work a lot just to please some businessmen interests, not even their customers'.

its not even about them (R*) being honest with us PC gamers or not, really even if they're "fooling us" so to speak and tell us lies like they need more time to polish it and so on, even then it doesnt change the fact that if ppl will be in the attitude of boycotting the game bcs of that reason then their choise to not buy it is mainly their lose, cause instead of having fun playing the game on release date (whenever that comes) they will be still pissed off over it and they will suffer a much longer waiting time after its release just bcs of their own ego.

[Smale45]

lmfao. People thinking that this delay is to make GTA Online work flawlessly and to optimize it are funny Prepare for one of the worst MP's launches in history.

[ItsJustMeSrsly]

 

If they actually cared about their costumers the PC version would had come along with the Ps3/X360 version, fully optimized, no bullsh*t.

 

 

I still can't f*cking believe people defend them and buy their "We just delay it cos it needs polishing k?" master key excuse.

 

 

 

They used to be a nice company that made nice games. Now they are just bussinessmen. If all of them designers/engineers/programmers left, they would go bankrupt.

Rockstar Games relies on THAT PEOPLE, which unfortunately are forced to work a lot just to please some businessmen interests, not even their customers'.

its not even about them (R*) being honest with us PC gamers or not, really even if they're "fooling us" so to speak and tell us lies like they need more time to polish it and so on, even then it doesnt change the fact that if ppl will be in the attitude of boycotting the game bcs of that reason then their choise to not buy it is mainly their lose, cause instead of having fun playing the game on release date (whenever that comes) they will be still pissed off over it and they will suffer a much longer waiting time after its release just bcs of their own ego.

 

 

The only ones who lose in that situation is R*! LOL Customers got nothing to lose, aside from more free time they could have used to play the damn game!...the only thing of high value in this situation is - money! Since we aren't losing any money and in return R* is the side losing it, because of their stupid politics i don't see how this kind of behavior from their side is clever and well thought out to be honest...In the end of the day if they aren't going to release the damn game on PC - its them, who will lose profit/money, not us who are simply missing opportunity to play it on PC...

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

lmfao. People thinking that this delay is to make GTA Online work flawlessly and to optimize it are funny Prepare for one of the worst MP's launches in history.

 

And the pessimists join the discussion....

 

I knew this thread had the potential to be an eventual ranting zone. OP, you need to watch developments and control the situation or another debate thread on a touchy topic will end up locked.

 

I ain't taking the bait, just making sure no one else does.

[Suprix]

People are mad at Rockstar. Any discussion can turn into doom