American Viking Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 What was going through your mind while watching the scene? What do you think would have actually happened? What did you think of John Boys appearance? Why didn't John Boy show up with Lost members? While I was watching the scene, I did not expect any sort of violence at all. I remember being really excited to see Johnny, and then having my excitement squashed like taking candy from a baby. Never in a million years did I think that that would happen to Johnny, and in retrospect, that killed any chance of me ever liking Trevor. I was thinking that John Boy would play an important role in the game, or at least a side character. Then, out of nowhere, Trevor ambushed him and, not only spat in the face of TLaD fans, but also lost many potential fans. And Ashley, I didn't even recognize her until she was referenced by name. In my mind, the situation would have went down differently if Rockstar wasn't trying so hard to establish Trevor as a lunatic. I reckon John Boy would have showed up with at least Terry and Clay, kicked Trevor's door in, and had a shootout right there. This is what John Boy from IV would have done, and even in his weakened state, he would still have put up an actual fight as opposed to what happened in V. I can't wrap my head around why he would show up without backup, especially if he knew that Trevor was a total psycho. LeeH1989, Kafonix and B Dawg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfennekin Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Because he was a methhead and a shell of his former self. V12599 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markfly Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Go Trevor you made canada proud! Agent Ozzy, El Tigre chino and theGTAking101 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Leone Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I heard the Johnny audio leak beforehand so I knew it was coming. It ruined Trevor for him, or at least was a main factor in ehy he's dead now. theGTAking101 and HaythamKenway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordicdusk Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I just taught to myself it's sh*t that Johnny turned into everything he hated and tried to rescue Ashley from. Johnny always seemed strong but he was made look like a pussy in V a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 I just taught to myself it's sh*t that Johnny turned into everything he hated and tried to rescue Ashley from. Johnny always seemed strong but he was made look like a pussy in V a real shame. I agree, and all for nothing except to make a huge splash in the pan with Trevor. I don't know what Rockstar were thinking on that one. LeeH1989 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeH1989 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Agreed totally OP those were my thoughts at the time.. Massive shame what they done, should of been the AOD we kill in online and story, lost should of been allies to trevor and onlin. im pretty sure that i read in an article about gta online About a biker backup perk that you could phone them up and they would come to aid you... be wicked if someone could find that article, bit of a long shot though and i could be wrong.. Was something along the lines of.. Depending on how you react to these bikers you can gain the ability to call them for backup, something like that.. The Dedito Gae and B Dawg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clxbsport Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 R* did a bad move. He was a pretty good character in TLaD, but now he is a wuss. But that's probably because of all the meth and drugs he had from 2008/09-2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Soon as Johnny got Trevor's attention and Trevor started talking all like a calm psycho I was thinking, "Oh f*ck, bad move, Johnny." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..GhosT Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 "oh, cool" Thats what i thought. Ive never been a fan of bikers or his story. Vaulttec and V12599 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoleInTheSky Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Jumping ahead a bit. When the Nervous Ron mission started, to discover The Lost have trashed Trevor's trailer, then hearing him weep over that Impotent Rage statue and possibly a make-shift dildo, I f*cking lold. Bearing in mind The Lost's violent nature, the entire population of Sandy Shores would be at the bottom of the Alamo Sea had V's story contained a mere shred of consistency and respect for its TLAD superiors. If you're hell-bent on killing off a major character/protagonist, at least put some effort into it. Flesh it out, make it worth while (even though killing him off would never sit right with me). It's fair to say UL Paper contact got equally f*cked, but many never made it far enough into IV's story to know who he was. Too much narrative, not enough Michael Bay. A lot can happen in five years. It's almost as if Rockstar are ashamed of TLAD due to its poor sales compared to TBOGT, so ending key members was their way of distancing themselves from it. Gummy , American Viking and B Dawg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Jumping ahead a bit. When the Nervous Ron mission started, to discover The Lost have trashed Trevor's trailer, then hearing him weep over that Impotent Rage statue and possibly a make-shift dildo, I f*cking lold. Bearing in mind The Lost's violent nature, the entire population of Sandy Shores would be at the bottom of the Alamo Sea had V's story contained a mere shred of consistency and respect for its TLAD superiors. If you're hell-bent on killing off a major character/protagonist, at least put some effort into it. Flesh it out, make it worth while (even though killing him off would never sit right with me). It's fair to say UL Paper contact got equally f*cked, but many never made it far enough into IV's story to know who he was. Too much narrative, not enough Michael Bay. A lot can happen in five years. It's almost as if Rockstar are ashamed of TLAD due to its poor sales compared to TBOGT, so ending key members was their way of distancing themselves from it. I completely agree with this. Killing off a loved protagonist simply to establish another protagonist is never good business, although I'd have been much more in favor of Luis Lopez at the bottom of Trevor's boot. Sometimes I wonder if johnny's death would have gone over easier if the protagonist who killed him turned out to be incredible, someone like Niko and Tommy Vercetti rolled into one. UL Paper got a sh*t ending indeed. One little cutscene and then mowed down like any other goon. In GTA IV, him and Niko had some great dialogue and good chemistry. I think he should've played a bigger role in GTA V, maybe by replacing Steve Haines or even Micheal's handler, I forget his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Johnny, and the Lost MC's decimation is still a bullsh*t move to this day. I personally don't consider that part of V's story canon. LeeH1989, above made a good point. Why were we not wiping out the AOD instead? After all, they were in the time of TLAD's story established as the antagonistic biker gang that had chapters across the US, in addition to the Liberty City, and New Alderney region. B Dawg, gunziness and LeeH1989 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoleInTheSky Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I completely agree with this. Killing off a loved protagonist simply to establish another protagonist is never good business, although I'd have been much more in favor of Luis Lopez at the bottom of Trevor's boot. Sometimes I wonder if johnny's death would have gone over easier if the protagonist who killed him turned out to be incredible, someone like Niko and Tommy Vercetti rolled into one. UL Paper got a sh*t ending indeed. One little cutscene and then mowed down like any other goon. In GTA IV, him and Niko had some great dialogue and good chemistry. I think he should've played a bigger role in GTA V, maybe by replacing Steve Haines or even Micheal's handler, I forget his name. Seeing as Rockstar now has a thing for filling new games with 50% old cast, meaning less effort required here, UL Paper would've made far better impact on the story than that boy scout Haines, whose only memorable moment was that crime documentary parody unrelated to the plot. Their handling of the story as a whole is becoming ever more clearer as the real meat, Online content is surfacing. I realise that's a different topic, but this usual lack of care and nonchalant approach to the mistreatment of defining characters across the series, is no coincidence. Zello, The Dedito Gae and B Dawg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 although I'd have been much more in favor of Luis Lopez at the bottom of Trevor's boot. Nah not Luis. He would have made Trevor run for his mommy. I'd like either Armando, Henrique or Rocco aka the annoying brats of the TBOGT cast to end up with their faces stomped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 although I'd have been much more in favor of Luis Lopez at the bottom of Trevor's boot. Nah not Luis. He would have made Trevor run for his mommy. I'd like either Armando, Henrique or Rocco aka the annoying brats of the TBOGT cast to end up with their faces stomped. I'd prefer Luis over Johnny killed if we're talking about protagonists. If we're talking about anybody, then yeah, those are some great choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 or Rocco No, instead he gets to be in two missions, and killed off rather uneventful like in V. The Dedito Gae 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemecsis Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Agreed totally OP those were my thoughts at the time.. Massive shame what they done, should of been the AOD we kill in online and story, lost should of been allies to trevor and onlin. im pretty sure that i read in an article about gta online About a biker backup perk that you could phone them up and they would come to aid you... be wicked if someone could find that article, bit of a long shot though and i could be wrong.. Was something along the lines of.. Depending on how you react to these bikers you can gain the ability to call them for backup, something like that.. I'm in love with your sig. If only... I beat TLaD three times and I really liked Johnny. I killed Trevor in the GTAV ending because of what he did to Johnny, so I guess I got my revenge but that doesn't bring Johnny back. LeeH1989 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12599 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 although I'd have been much more in favor of Luis Lopez at the bottom of Trevor's boot. Nah not Luis. He would have made Trevor run for his mommy. I'd like either Armando, Henrique or Rocco aka the annoying brats of the TBOGT cast to end up with their faces stomped. I'd prefer Luis over Johnny killed if we're talking about protagonists. If we're talking about anybody, then yeah, those are some great choices. This scene with Luis wouldn't be realistic, due his combat skills he learned during his Military service. Even if I was pissed at this moment, I think it was the perfect scene for Johnny. I wasn't suprised that Ashley would be the reason, that he got killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 although I'd have been much more in favor of Luis Lopez at the bottom of Trevor's boot. Nah not Luis. He would have made Trevor run for his mommy. I'd like either Armando, Henrique or Rocco aka the annoying brats of the TBOGT cast to end up with their faces stomped. I'd prefer Luis over Johnny killed if we're talking about protagonists. If we're talking about anybody, then yeah, those are some great choices. This scene with Luis wouldn't be realistic, due his combat skills he learned during his Military service. Even if I was pissed at this moment, I think it was the perfect scene for Johnny. I wasn't suprised that Ashley would be the reason, that he got killed. Luis never served in the military. His combat skills are nothing more than Niko's skills copy and pasted. This is why all three GTA IV protagonists do the same moves. Niko did serve however. LeeH1989 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) I can't wrap my head around why he would show up without backup, especially if he knew that Trevor was a total psycho. i can't wrap my head around on why he didn't come in his Hexer. still, IMO, his death just made him more human for me, seeing him like that, all washed up and skinny. Edited March 17, 2015 by Midnight Hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Fatale Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I actually knew about his death before I played GTA 5(Damn you GTA Wiki)...It was probably for the best, I would've gone crazy if it caught me by surprise...I could've easily skipped the scene, but no...It was one of those moments where you think: "I can't just be a pussy and purposely ignore this...I HAVE to see it, to believe it..." And I saw it...And I forced myself into believing it...My heart was racing, I was seeing red, and my blood boiled...Add the Online bullsh*t, and everything just went downhill..,Rockstar, you've betrayed me...You...You've become Big Smoke...I can't...I just...Can't... LeeH1989 and Payne Killer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weed_from_Field Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Terrible. Rockstar should've have Angels of Death instead of The Lost,it would've made sense. Trevor's wouldn't kill Johnny and his friends,but some AOD Road Captain and the other members instead. Damn,i'm disappointed in GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah nah nah Gta 6 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Just reminding everyone this series is about crime and a lot of criminals die to other criminals, since Johnny was a methhead and a former shell of what he was, he was a f*cking wreck, he was back with Ashley, which in TLAD she was shown to be trouble. I think R* didn't want EVERY criminal to live happily ever after, which is why Niko and Luis live and Johnny is 6 feet under. If they were ashamed of TLAD they wouldn't include the Lost, let alone Johnny. If Johnny wasn't killed, then what relevence would he be to the story? He would die eventually since Trevor is enemies with the Lost. EDIT: Just because Johnny, Terry and Clay are dead, doesn't mean the Lost isn't, in fact they're one of the strongest, if not the strongest gang in LS/BC. Edited May 24, 2015 by Stoney0503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorPhilipsInc Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Just reminding everyone this series is about crime and a lot of criminals die to other criminals, since Johnny was a methhead and a former shell of what he was, he was a f*cking wreck, he was back with Ashley, which in TLAD she was shown to be trouble. I think R* didn't want EVERY criminal to live happily ever after, which is why Niko and Luis live and Johnny is 6 feet under. If they were ashamed of TLAD they wouldn't include the Lost, let alone Johnny. If Johnny wasn't killed, then what relevence would he be to the story? He would die eventually since Trevor is enemies with the Lost. EDIT: Just because Johnny, Terry and Clay are dead, doesn't mean the Lost isn't, in fact they're one of the strongest, if not the strongest gang in LS/BC. Its like people forget the mission right before Trevor goes to LS where he throws sticky bombs all over the place. The dialogue overheard from those moving in to clean up the mess left by Johnnys Chapter indicated that they had lost their way. Then theres the fact that the Lost will periodically show up either kidnapping people in downtown Los Santos or hanging out at the dive bar along the west coast. Its not as if the Lost no longer exist. That Chapter simply got hooked on their own product and ended up more users then dealers. Thats not really a far fetch when youre talking about something as powerful and addictive as Meth. These sorts of things happen all the time in the underworld of drugs. People go astray. I understand some people were really attached to Johnny and I respect that theyre upset about his death. But I see his death more of R* using it to symbolize them not making the same mistakes as they had with GTA IV and its DLCs. I figure they thought Johnnys death would have less backlash than Niko or Lopez since GTAIV and Ballad of Gay Tony sold better. Im kind of shocked at how upset people are about it this long after the games release in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychotic Bison Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Johnny went to pieces and deserved what he got. sh*t happens, I guess he couldn't hold it together after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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