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Drunken Cowboy

Johnny Klebitz, 2015

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PhillBellic

Interesting topic, though all seems a little redundant. As much as I hate it, there's no way I can ignore the events of V.

 

And that's one reason I hate Trevor. He's not a well developed character; he's a badass because rockstar and all other characters say so. Because he murders innocent defenceless people needlessly. Because through him rockstar decimated TLAD. This is why I chose option A. Trevor needs his comeuppance. He should have been the antagonist in v.

 

Where is Johnny in 2015? Well to me he left town. He left LC, the lost, and everyone. So to me he wouldn't be in Blaine county, because he wouldn't rejoin the lost.

 

But for those of you that read my fanfics (in my sig), he kind of rebuilds the lost. So maybe if you counted my stories as canon, that would explain WHY he got back with the MC.

 

Been playing V again to refamiliarise myself with the story, becaus I'm writing a gta V fanfic. I looked into making Johnny survive, with intense injuries and permanent brain damage, or that he pulled an Ethan Hawk and arranged someone to replace him with cosmetic disguises, so Johnny terry and clay all survived, but even then, it's a bit of a stretch. I just can't see why they couldn't have made ur AOD the 'bitch' gang that Trevor fights, the Lost was always a smaller outfit so it'd make sense for Trevor to use them as allies, against the AOD. JK is only in V because rockstar were too lazy to write Trevor as a better character - like Marston for example. He's a badass but not just because we're told he is. Trevor is always referred to as crazy and as this beast, and I'm like 'why?' Johnny was a beast but never were we 'told'

We were shown.

 

I just wish re lost, jk, terry and clay were friends with Trevor - he has no friends. He manipulates people and he's a horrid character. Having JK Etc as pals would at least show him to have some loyalty and whathaveyou, so that's where I wish Johnny ended up, at least.

My biggest question is, Why the fu*k were the Lost MC in San An to begin with? It was established in TLAD's canon that the AOD were every where throughout the States, and elsewhere in the world, whilst the Lost MC were largely contained to New Alderney, and had a smaller Chapter in Broker. Why did Rockstar forget about The AOD in all of this?

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SuperGTFan

Al least Klebitz lived and died as a true Lost and Damned member, that's for sure.

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Mokrie Dela

 

Interesting topic, though all seems a little redundant. As much as I hate it, there's no way I can ignore the events of V.

And that's one reason I hate Trevor. He's not a well developed character; he's a badass because rockstar and all other characters say so. Because he murders innocent defenceless people needlessly. Because through him rockstar decimated TLAD. This is why I chose option A. Trevor needs his comeuppance. He should have been the antagonist in v.

Where is Johnny in 2015? Well to me he left town. He left LC, the lost, and everyone. So to me he wouldn't be in Blaine county, because he wouldn't rejoin the lost.

But for those of you that read my fanfics (in my sig), he kind of rebuilds the lost. So maybe if you counted my stories as canon, that would explain WHY he got back with the MC.

Been playing V again to refamiliarise myself with the story, becaus I'm writing a gta V fanfic. I looked into making Johnny survive, with intense injuries and permanent brain damage, or that he pulled an Ethan Hawk and arranged someone to replace him with cosmetic disguises, so Johnny terry and clay all survived, but even then, it's a bit of a stretch. I just can't see why they couldn't have made ur AOD the 'bitch' gang that Trevor fights, the Lost was always a smaller outfit so it'd make sense for Trevor to use them as allies, against the AOD. JK is only in V because rockstar were too lazy to write Trevor as a better character - like Marston for example. He's a badass but not just because we're told he is. Trevor is always referred to as crazy and as this beast, and I'm like 'why?' Johnny was a beast but never were we 'told'

We were shown.

I just wish re lost, jk, terry and clay were friends with Trevor - he has no friends. He manipulates people and he's a horrid character. Having JK Etc as pals would at least show him to have some loyalty and whathaveyou, so that's where I wish Johnny ended up, at least.

 

My biggest question is, Why the fu*k were the Lost MC in San An to begin with? It was established in TLAD's canon that the AOD were every where throughout the States, and elsewhere in the world, whilst the Lost MC were largely contained to New Alderney, and had a smaller Chapter in Broker. Why did Rockstar forget about The AOD in all of this?

Rockstar trying to be shocking. The shock factor didn't work for me, just created a dislike for Trevor that I can't come back from. He's seriously one of the worst characters in any GTA I've played. His morals are contradicted, the narrative tries too hard to tell us he's crazy; there is so much dialogue about him it's stupid.

 

What I've always loved about gta was seeing characters again and having them part of the story. The lost serve no purpose that the AOD couldn't - the AOD would make more sense but no, rockstar had to play the dumb shock tactic. I honestly feel it'd work better for the lost and Trevor to be ALLIES. Having friendly characters as Trevor would help his story and character devil end

 

Unfortunately rockstar (they said this) deemed it wise to create w main character based wholly on the way kids play the game. Niko was a well built character - from a writers perspective. He had depth as did most iv characters. That people badmouth that game is another reason why Trevor exists and I fear that like Marston, Johnny is representing of something.

 

Johnny is the iv era, the story driven game (iv was story driven, perhaps why people found it boring - people can't appreciate good writing, instead needing explosions and insanity). Trevor is the modern childish gamer and this era. While v has some good aspects of the story, it's too short and too shallow to actually be 'good'. Trevor moaning about Michael gets old real quick. Franklin is underused, to the point I wonder why he's even there. Michael has problems and I feel is the best developed character. Johnny was a well developed character, but rockstar f*cked that up. I can't believe for a moment JK went back to drugs and even with Ashley was too much a stretch. The lost was disbanded, gone. That they somehow restarted it and wiped out the AOD (a nation wide club; a handful of guys took ou hundreds of thousands of bikers? Yeah right) is just stupid IMO

 

The lost should have appeared as big characters trying to survive against the overpowering AOD. Trevor could then have been written to have at least one human trait - being able to relate. He'd set up a business agreement with the lost and help them. The AOD would never not be the bigger club IMO but Johnny could have been a really well used character. Blaine county is perfect for bikers, and having the lost as friends would be a nice thing I think. They would distribute his drugs. They would steal his guns. Making Johnny and Trevor FRIENDS would have opened the door to more story options and more insight into Trevor's personality, anchoring him to the ground.

 

He is far too OTT in my eyes. It's like rockstar tried too hard.

 

I know the fan base is split as always but imagine if Tommy v was killed. Or niko. Some might like it but it'd be stupid. It's even implied that niko is likely dead. Romans apparently buried under the sea (nothing more than a reference to be fair). Luis will probably be dead, too. I suspect gta vi will likely reveal Franklin to be dead. Why the need? Instead of going for cheap shock value to lazily show a character as 'bad ass' which only works on idiots and children, why not create something more complex? Antagonism doesn't always have to mean death in the end.

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PhillBellic

 

 

Interesting topic, though all seems a little redundant. As much as I hate it, there's no way I can ignore the events of V.

And that's one reason I hate Trevor. He's not a well developed character; he's a badass because rockstar and all other characters say so. Because he murders innocent defenceless people needlessly. Because through him rockstar decimated TLAD. This is why I chose option A. Trevor needs his comeuppance. He should have been the antagonist in v.

Where is Johnny in 2015? Well to me he left town. He left LC, the lost, and everyone. So to me he wouldn't be in Blaine county, because he wouldn't rejoin the lost.

But for those of you that read my fanfics (in my sig), he kind of rebuilds the lost. So maybe if you counted my stories as canon, that would explain WHY he got back with the MC.

Been playing V again to refamiliarise myself with the story, becaus I'm writing a gta V fanfic. I looked into making Johnny survive, with intense injuries and permanent brain damage, or that he pulled an Ethan Hawk and arranged someone to replace him with cosmetic disguises, so Johnny terry and clay all survived, but even then, it's a bit of a stretch. I just can't see why they couldn't have made ur AOD the 'bitch' gang that Trevor fights, the Lost was always a smaller outfit so it'd make sense for Trevor to use them as allies, against the AOD. JK is only in V because rockstar were too lazy to write Trevor as a better character - like Marston for example. He's a badass but not just because we're told he is. Trevor is always referred to as crazy and as this beast, and I'm like 'why?' Johnny was a beast but never were we 'told'

We were shown.

I just wish re lost, jk, terry and clay were friends with Trevor - he has no friends. He manipulates people and he's a horrid character. Having JK Etc as pals would at least show him to have some loyalty and whathaveyou, so that's where I wish Johnny ended up, at least.

My biggest question is, Why the fu*k were the Lost MC in San An to begin with? It was established in TLAD's canon that the AOD were every where throughout the States, and elsewhere in the world, whilst the Lost MC were largely contained to New Alderney, and had a smaller Chapter in Broker. Why did Rockstar forget about The AOD in all of this?

Rockstar trying to be shocking. The shock factor didn't work for me, just created a dislike for Trevor that I can't come back from. He's seriously one of the worst characters in any GTA I've played. His morals are contradicted, the narrative tries too hard to tell us he's crazy; there is so much dialogue about him it's stupid.

 

What I've always loved about gta was seeing characters again and having them part of the story. The lost serve no purpose that the AOD couldn't - the AOD would make more sense but no, rockstar had to play the dumb shock tactic. I honestly feel it'd work better for the lost and Trevor to be ALLIES. Having friendly characters as Trevor would help his story and character devil end

 

Unfortunately rockstar (they said this) deemed it wise to create w main character based wholly on the way kids play the game. Niko was a well built character - from a writers perspective. He had depth as did most iv characters. That people badmouth that game is another reason why Trevor exists and I fear that like Marston, Johnny is representing of something.

 

Johnny is the iv era, the story driven game (iv was story driven, perhaps why people found it boring - people can't appreciate good writing, instead needing explosions and insanity). Trevor is the modern childish gamer and this era. While v has some good aspects of the story, it's too short and too shallow to actually be 'good'. Trevor moaning about Michael gets old real quick. Franklin is underused, to the point I wonder why he's even there. Michael has problems and I feel is the best developed character. Johnny was a well developed character, but rockstar f*cked that up. I can't believe for a moment JK went back to drugs and even with Ashley was too much a stretch. The lost was disbanded, gone. That they somehow restarted it and wiped out the AOD (a nation wide club; a handful of guys took ou hundreds of thousands of bikers? Yeah right) is just stupid IMO

 

The lost should have appeared as big characters trying to survive against the overpowering AOD. Trevor could then have been written to have at least one human trait - being able to relate. He'd set up a business agreement with the lost and help them. The AOD would never not be the bigger club IMO but Johnny could have been a really well used character. Blaine county is perfect for bikers, and having the lost as friends would be a nice thing I think. They would distribute his drugs. They would steal his guns. Making Johnny and Trevor FRIENDS would have opened the door to more story options and more insight into Trevor's personality, anchoring him to the ground.

 

He is far too OTT in my eyes. It's like rockstar tried too hard.

 

I know the fan base is split as always but imagine if Tommy v was killed. Or niko. Some might like it but it'd be stupid. It's even implied that niko is likely dead. Romans apparently buried under the sea (nothing more than a reference to be fair). Luis will probably be dead, too. I suspect gta vi will likely reveal Franklin to be dead. Why the need? Instead of going for cheap shock value to lazily show a character as 'bad ass' which only works on idiots and children, why not create something more complex? Antagonism doesn't always have to mean death in the end.

 

Do you have a TL;DR version? ;)

 

On topic, if what you have stated was actually developed into the game, I would have had a better opinion of it. :)

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The lost should have appeared as big characters trying to survive against the overpowering AOD. Trevor could then have been written to have at least one human trait - being able to relate. He'd set up a business agreement with the lost and help them. The AOD would never not be the bigger club IMO but Johnny could have been a really well used character. Blaine county is perfect for bikers, and having the lost as friends would be a nice thing I think. They would distribute his drugs. They would steal his guns. Making Johnny and Trevor FRIENDS would have opened the door to more story options and more insight into Trevor's personality, anchoring him to the ground.

Before the game was released, there were some leaked screenshot of Trevor and Johnny together (I didn't see them all though at the time). There I was thinking 'Oh, Johnny's in GTA V? Cool. Is he friends with Trevor? Does he need Trevor's help with something?' Of course that dream was crushed the next day after reading what it was truely about. The game turned out to be a major dissapointment in every department.

 

So yea, when they fix the Switchable Graphics thing for AMD, and people make some Lost MC mods/redone driving mechanics, I'm going to download the game and avoid playing it in it's sh*tty vanilla state.

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Mokrie Dela

While planning my story, I considered having Johnny survive the attack, but although it's theoretical that he could survive (researched severe injuries and survivals - like getting a railroad spike through your brain), I'm not sure I could pull it off...

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PhillBellic

While planning my story, I considered having Johnny survive the attack, but although it's theoretical that he could survive (researched severe injuries and survivals - like getting a railroad spike through your brain), I'm not sure I could pull it off...

There have been people who have had large construction drills go through their heads. They survived with no major injuries because the drill piece pushed their brain aside. :)

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Mokrie Dela

 

While planning my story, I considered having Johnny survive the attack, but although it's theoretical that he could survive (researched severe injuries and survivals - like getting a railroad spike through your brain), I'm not sure I could pull it off...

There have been people who have had large construction drills go through their heads. They survived with no major injuries because the drill piece pushed their brain aside. :)

 

I'm pretty sure part of his brain being on Johnny's shoe is probably pushing it for survivability.... But hey, I'm still thinking about it...

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Johnny Spaz

Guys he's currently coaching the Milwaukee Bucks of the NBA so I guess everything's ok for him

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Timcatgt5

Ignoring GTA V's story, he's dead. Apparently suicide was the cause. Trevor died before he did, but he just couldn't handle the fact that he missed the good times such as running guns, cooking meth and rolling with the crew.

 

In all seriousness, he is alive and well. He retired early and is living the high life in Las Venturas. He is the proud owner of a black HVY Insurgent with a mounted gun and Lost MC livery, rolling with his buddies Terry and Clay, who ride shotgun as they cause chaos in the city of sin.

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Watain

It's hard to ignore what's happened in the GTA universe as we've seen it, but I agree with the lot of you who say it's bullsh*t - indeed it is. It makes no sense that Johnny K would turn into a meth-head. Through all of The Lost and Damed we see how Johnny determindedly rejects Ashley over and over because of her drug addiction, even letting go of her at the very end of the game/DLC's story. He's very clear and determind about not going through that sh*t with her again. He's also a very smart character, despite that his hygiene and biker lifestyle could possibly suggest otherwise, who mostly thinks (a lot of things through) before he takes action. He's cautious and aware.

 

Now these personality traits just seem to be completely gone in GTA V, and that makes me question the whole incident a whole lot. It just doesn't add up that he would let go of everything like that - to become a meth addict. If he truly was capable of that and truly loved Ashley, who layed around with everybody behind his back, I think Johnny would've been a meth head in IV's story line already. He was nowhere near a weak character/person, but in V, that's exactly what he's become.

 

I personally hated to see that sh*t between Johnny and Trevor go down. Johnny's my favorite GTA protagonist along with Niko, and I think Rockstar should've just left it all out. Like most of the things in GTA V's story line, the whole Lost MC addition added very little to nothing in the game. It was totally unnecessary to include the Lost MC altogether.

 

And as a side-note. How much can Johnny really love Ashley back in Liberty City 2008? I mean, not only did he continously reject her and her junkie habits, but I can personally confirm that Johnny K picked up a lotta prostitutes and layed with them, without giving a damn :)

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Mokrie Dela

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Every single word of that post man

 

I keep telling myself that it was all in Trevor's head or that JK survived but I never succeed in convincing myself

 

I wrote a chapter were JK woke up from a coma after this and uploaded it on fanfiction.net. The reception was actually good so I might pick that up.

Still, rockstar have committed a cardinal sin in my eyes. You do not undermine previous established characters, especially protagonists. They should have put more effort into the story instead

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Niko Montana

I think Johnny would have probably given up his life of crime, and would still be residing in Brian's house. Maybe he would have set up his own bike garage with Clay and Terry. He wouldn't have got back with Ashley and moved to Blaine County, that's for sure.

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slimeball supreme

 

If you want my legit answer it is he not a criminal any more he lives with his brother Micheal he clips coupon instead of people ,his brain is still in his head.

Hmm... Ignoring the events of V... they burned the clubhouse down the ground, The Lost has been disbanded, while all the men got into own ways. Johnny would have still been the badass we know, but maybe with a more cynical characteristic, similar to Niko's. He'd spend most of his days at the sh*tty piece of wreck he got from Brian, maybe had been smoking a pack of Redwoods or two everyday.

 

Terry would have continued to be that chain-smoking, gun running guy we know. He would have been running an illegal underground gun shop or something, filled with Metal and Thrash bands' posters, the place is echoed by harsh metal music all day.

 

Clay... I dunno, maybe he started to make a living by turning into his part-time jigolo job full-time, or something. :lol:

 

Angus would become a spokesperson against gang violence and drug-related crime, have put himself as a saint trying to make a better community with his first-hand experiences from an outlaw biker club that had been torn apart by years of sex, drugs and violence.

 

Although they had taken different paths after their club was disbanded, the men would gather in a bar for a couple of drinks every Saturday night, glorifyingly and disgracefully memorizing the old days.

 

Ashley... the bitch would have gone to the meetings and therapies meant for drug addicts for the sake of Johnny, but she would give up, get herself more involved in druggie, violent assholes and eventually get herself killed in the hands of a drug pusher and would OD'd after a wild night with drugs. Not much would have changed if V's events hadn't been the consideration, IMO.

 

These are my opinions based on The Lost and Damned's ending. However, as we know, The Lost has kept going on by Chinatown Wars, set in 2009, a year after the events of IV, additionally TLAD and TBOGT. Maybe, with the leadership of Johnny, The Lost would have continued to keep kicking ass but now less engaged in drug stuff but maybe a new formation of The Lost would have occured from a younger and wilder generation of bikers while Johnny and the others went quiet, cut all their ties with Lost.

Pretty much all of that if you disregard his 100% canon death.

 

Johnny moves in with Michael, who either lives up in Alderney or in another city, I have one particular nearby unnamed East Coast city he'd move to. It's hard to imagine him leaving, but it's very easy for me to picture him wearing a beige sweater for some reason. he doesn't do that because he's dead

 

The Lost are no small gang though, they're all over the country. All the coasts (Outlaws MC aren't on all coasts), just like the gang they're based off of. I don't know where people get their 'small club' bullsh*t, Grey was only head of one chapter. Everything else about everyone else is spot on, though. Saturday nights, yeah? I like to think that CTW was noncanon too, so let's ignore the events of that.

 

But finally, I prefer to abide by my theories on the Universes, and this probably all happens in the head canon I've put forward in my brain.

 

2016 Edit: he's dead lol

Edited by Mr. Fahrenheit

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B Dawg

He moved to BC for the view.

Johnny the Balcony guy: Why did I move here? I guess it was the weather.

The Lost are no small gang though, they're all over the country. All the coasts, just like the gang they're based off of. I don't know where people get their 'small club' bullsh*t, Grey was only head of one chapter. Everything else about everyone else is spot on, though. Saturday nights, yeah? I like to think that CTW was noncanon too, so let's ignore the events of that.

According to in-game conversations with Angus and Jim/Terry/Clay during hangouts, they're not all over the country.

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Guru Fijis

Running a bike theft business, retired and building bigger better spectacles.

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straightupmenace

Johnny, Clay, and Terry, got their coats stuck in a woodchipper and got hacked to bits as blood got sent flying all over the walls while they screamed and cried in agony.

 

I totally don't need to go to a mental asylum

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UshaB

I didn't know Johnny's been to Los Santos before.

 

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Brian Grey

Before GTA V I always thought that Johnny K would leave Liberty City because it reminded him what happened in the events of TLAD, losing brothers like Jason, Jim and a few other fellow bikers he knew. having to put down his former best and childhood friend Billy Grey, seeing Ashley destroy her life with drugs having to save her life numerous times convincing himself he no longer loved her when deep down he still did. he would try to remain tough the pain of it all would weigh him down as if he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. as much as we hate it how his life came to an end in GTA V being weakened by drug addiction and his love for Ashley got him killed by an unstable sociopath known as Trevor it would of only ended in tragedy anyway as said by The Title " The Lost and Damned" Johnny and the Lost Brotherhood were doomed.

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Mr Webby

Johnny and the Lost Brotherhood were doomed.

 

It was a bad ending for Johnny and the Lost MC. Even for people that didn't like him, they have to admit that it was a bad way to kill a character, especially such a major character like himself.

 

I can't remember if the Lost have other chapters in different cities so maybe they will make a presence in other GTA games. Maybe the AOD will make an appearance and I would actually like that. I didn't want to see the Lost appear in GTA V anyway, the AOD are more interesting

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JosephStalin

Why Would I ignore the events Of V When the writers who created Johnny choose to kill him off? :dozing:

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Why Would I ignore the events Of V When the writers who created Johnny choose to kill him off? :dozing:

Because Gta5 Storyline is bullsh*t, focusing on making money and not satisfying the REAL fanbase, not jsut the kids playing the online content. I have had this discussion lot of times. Gta5 aint cannon to me at all. And I havent even played it to know how sh*tty it is.

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PhillBellic

 

Why Would I ignore the events Of V When the writers who created Johnny choose to kill him off? :dozing:

Because Gta5 Storyline is bullsh*t, focusing on making money and not satisfying the REAL fanbase, not jsut the kids playing the online content. I have had this discussion lot of times. Gta5 aint cannon to me at all. And I havent even played it to know how sh*tty it is.

 

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:p

 

 

 

It's in this case just spelled as 'Canon'.

 

 

 

Anyhoo, I agree with you. The events of V, particularly surrounding The Lost MC was just fu*king ridiculous. As others have suggested, Wei 'whatever his Name is' should have been replaced with The Lost. There we could have had some proper conflict between Trevor and TLMC.

 

:^:

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B Dawg

Or The Angels Of Death. Their presence would have made far more sense.

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PhillBellic

Or The Angels Of Death. Their presence would have made far more sense.

That too.

 

Rockstar have trashed the Canon they established in the IV Saga. I feel that it is to their detriment. Have a read of many of the popular Topics surrounding that Fiasco.

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Or The Angels Of Death. Their presence would have made far more sense.

That too.

 

Rockstar have trashed the Canon they established in the IV Saga. I feel that it is to their detriment. Have a read of many of the popular Topics surrounding that Fiasco.

 

English aint my mother tongue. Canon, cannon. You got my point, thats what matters.

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Piggsy pls

 

Why Would I ignore the events Of V When the writers who created Johnny choose to kill him off? :dozing:

Because Gta5 Storyline is bullsh*t, focusing on making money and not satisfying the REAL fanbase, not jsut the kids playing the online content. I have had this discussion lot of times. Gta5 aint cannon to me at all. And I havent even played it to know how sh*tty it is.It's still canon.

I mean cannon.

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B Dawg

GTA 5 story can be cannon, but it can't be canon :p

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CreepShow

 

 

Why Would I ignore the events Of V When the writers who created Johnny choose to kill him off? :dozing:

Because Gta5 Storyline is bullsh*t, focusing on making money and not satisfying the REAL fanbase, not jsut the kids playing the online content. I have had this discussion lot of times. Gta5 aint cannon to me at all. And I havent even played it to know how sh*tty it is.
It's still canon.

I mean cannon.

 

NOT TO ME I SAID.

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Piggsy pls

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still cannon tho

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