Son of Zeus Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 As said above, I don't get the fact that Devin, despite being a billionaire, tells the protags to steal luxury cars for him, risking prison. He could just buy them... R*'s laziness to the fore here. It shows that they were so caught up with Online that they didn't give a sh*t to SP. The story comes off as a hotchpotch of different sh*t. Uncle Vlad, Vice City criminal, Official General and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Devin liked the novelty and the idea of the stolen cars. Yeah he can buy them, but so what? Where's the fun in that? To him, fooling a couple crooks into stealing these cars for him and ripping them off was practically him stroking his ego, showing that he can do anything he wants. He's so full of himself since he has tons of money, practically owns his own private militia, etc. He thought nobody could touch him. SmokesWithCigs and Bi0ha2ard_q8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Devin liked the novelty and the idea of the stolen cars. Yeah he can buy them, but so what? Where's the fun in that? To him, fooling a couple crooks into stealing these cars for him and ripping them off was practically him stroking his ego, showing that he can do anything he wants. He's so full of himself since he has tons of money, practically owns his own private militia, etc. He thought nobody could touch him. I get all of that. But it's still a bit too far-fetched and very much an unlikely scenario, too much to make any real sense. A billionaire just would not waste his time with such petty nonsense, even if he was a bit eccentric or crazy like Weston, I just don't see it. There was no need to choose a villain like that, of all the villains to create, they chose to create one like Weston ? A billionaire who does a bunch of stupid criminal sh*t with no real, strategic or meaningful motive, but just simply because he can ? Before V, there had never been an antagonist like that. Antagonists in GTA always had some kind of motive for conflict with the protagonist that had some real purpose to it. Not this, "oh I'm so rich and wealthy but I just wanna cause you trouble" bullsh*t. To me, simply put, Weston smacks of very lazy, and extremely poor character creation and writing. Edited February 26, 2015 by Official General Choco Taco, Jabalous, Niobium and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzelfandQuilava Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Why Ending C ends with you killing Devin is a f*cking mystery in itself, why is it Trevor that gets him anyway? I don't recall Merryweather attacking his house and family... Had it ended with Haines being the final loose end it would of payed off for me, at-least then it would of made sense for Trevor to kidnap him then. theGTAking101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland stronk Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Devin shouldn't even exist in this game and stealing those cars should be made into series of heists. When I first saw Devin I was like "Wait, which one of those assholes is Heines and which is Weston?" his house should be available for purchase and Madrazo should be the guy Franklin should work for (and actually be involved in drug wars, dealing with Vagos and smuggling for him). Rockstar, what the hell? Were Houser brothers kidnapped in the middle of game producton and script writting? Edited February 26, 2015 by poland stronk Official General, Niobium and Choco Taco 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) If anything, the car stealing missions from Weston should have gone to Simeon Yetarin, who actually was in the luxury car business. That would fitted those car stealing missions perfectly. Yetarin decides to expand his car business by getting the player to steal luxury cars off the streets of LS, send them to the docks to be loaded, and ship them to the Middle East or China. No, we get some egotistical billionaire who don't need the cars and don't need to operate a car theft ring because he's so rich already. Rockstar just got it all so wrong with the antagonists, seriously it's painful. Edited February 26, 2015 by Official General Jabalous, poland stronk, Niobium and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCKSTAR MANIC Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 If anything, the car stealing missions from Weston should have gone to Simeon Yetarin, who actually was in the luxury car business. That would fitted those car stealing missions perfectly. Yetarin decides to expand his car business by getting the player to steal luxury cars off the streets of LS, send them to the docks to be loaded, and ship them to the Middle East or China. No, we get some egotistical billionaire who don't need the cars and don't need to operate a car theft ring because he's so rich already. Rockstar just got it all so wrong with the antagonists, seriously it's painful. Great deep thinking. Although the point for Weston' missions was to please his egoistic desires. That f*cking c*nt is one of the worst antagonists in Grand theft auto history. I kind of thought who was that "guy" to add Weston's character to the script and the game in general. Had Potential but very underachieved. The Green Sabre, Official General and Niobium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Sabre Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 ^ I believe that Simeon should've stayed in the story to act as a way to have the export side missions in the game. Considering the lack of criminal side activities, it would've been better to have Simeon there to help fill in that gap. Niobium and Choco Taco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokesWithCigs Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Devin liked the novelty and the idea of the stolen cars. Yeah he can buy them, but so what? Where's the fun in that? To him, fooling a couple crooks into stealing these cars for him and ripping them off was practically him stroking his ego, showing that he can do anything he wants. He's so full of himself since he has tons of money, practically owns his own private militia, etc. He thought nobody could touch him. I get all of that. But it's still a bit too far-fetched and very much an unlikely scenario, too much to make any real sense. A billionaire just would not waste his time with such petty nonsense, even if he was a bit eccentric or crazy like Weston, I just don't see it. There was no need to choose a villain like that, of all the villains to create, they chose to create one like Weston ? A billionaire who does a bunch of stupid criminal sh*t with no real, strategic or meaningful motive, but just simply because he can ? Before V, there had never been an antagonist like that. Antagonists in GTA always had some kind of motive for conflict with the protagonist that had some real purpose to it. Not this, "oh I'm so rich and wealthy but I just wanna cause you trouble" bullsh*t. To me, simply put, Weston smacks of very lazy, and extremely poor character creation and writing. who cares if its likely or not. is life that predictable? as many corrupt millionares there are here in the states that get caught pulling ponzi schemes it not to far unlikely that a billionare would get crooks to steal for him. how did he get his money in the first place. theres a lot of corrupt rich people this world who earned their fortune through crime. its just a game you tend to over think these things. isn't it far fetched for a wealthy son of a sheik to hire a bodygaurd / club manager to steal a golden helicopter when he could buy one himself? see what i mean. i like how the story played out. he was a rich douchebag who through his weight around and got a kick out of stepping on people smaller than him. he eventually got his in the end and was found cowering behind his private army. i wish i could have spoilered that last part but i donj't see a spoiler icon. didn't want to ruin it for those that didn't get that far yet. Edited February 26, 2015 by SmokesWithCigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozzah Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I honestly thought that Madrazo would be by far the BEST Antagonist ever... Thought this guy was gonna wreak havoc all around Los Santos just to connect the protagonists' nutsacks to car batteries after all the sh*t you did to him (f*cked up his house, kidnappes his wife etc) Pablo Escobar - like guy... what a waste -_- A f*cking statue to make up for everything? Damn I have to admit that I was REALLY disappointed at the end... Everything felt so rushed. You simply killed all the bosses in one mission They could have made the story WAY longer, but I guess they had to finish the game within a set period of time... Edited February 26, 2015 by Bozzah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephan90 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 This makes me think about End of the line. This was a great final mission. The Green Sabre and Uncle Vlad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland stronk Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) If anything, the car stealing missions from Weston should have gone to Simeon Yetarin, who actually was in the luxury car business. That would fitted those car stealing missions perfectly. Yetarin decides to expand his car business by getting the player to steal luxury cars off the streets of LS, send them to the docks to be loaded, and ship them to the Middle East or China. No, we get some egotistical billionaire who don't need the cars and don't need to operate a car theft ring because he's so rich already. Rockstar just got it all so wrong with the antagonists, seriously it's painful. Nah, it would be funnier to have a cutscene where Lester says that some of the cars were sent to Simeon and see Franklin's reaction. Shame there isn't any car lot and mission to rob it from supercars and evade police chase in need for speed style. Of course Yetarian, like I said before, was ditched too early. That shootout with Vagos could be delayed for like 5 jobs for Simeon and some guys from Families like Stretch. How Michael and Trevor dealt with Madrazo was fine in my opinion. I already said in this thread who should be the last man to kill. Edited February 26, 2015 by poland stronk Official General 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Cat Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Devin liked the novelty and the idea of the stolen cars. Yeah he can buy them, but so what? Where's the fun in that? To him, fooling a couple crooks into stealing these cars for him and ripping them off was practically him stroking his ego, showing that he can do anything he wants. He's so full of himself since he has tons of money, practically owns his own private militia, etc. He thought nobody could touch him. I get all of that. But it's still a bit too far-fetched and very much an unlikely scenario, too much to make any real sense. A billionaire just would not waste his time with such petty nonsense, even if he was a bit eccentric or crazy like Weston, I just don't see it. There was no need to choose a villain like that, of all the villains to create, they chose to create one like Weston ? A billionaire who does a bunch of stupid criminal sh*t with no real, strategic or meaningful motive, but just simply because he can ? Before V, there had never been an antagonist like that. Antagonists in GTA always had some kind of motive for conflict with the protagonist that had some real purpose to it. Not this, "oh I'm so rich and wealthy but I just wanna cause you trouble" bullsh*t. To me, simply put, Weston smacks of very lazy, and extremely poor character creation and writing. He kinda reminds me of Donald Love, just not as good. But I do agree that Simeon should have been the guy you stole cars for and not Weston. Official General 1 No Image Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 For what it's worth, I think Devon's voice actor did a fine job. He nailed that "condescending dickhead" thing spot-on. I couldn't wait to kill him, but I don't think he should have been the final villain, he was more a Vlad type villain. An annoying dick. The Green Sabre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 who cares if it's likely or not. is life that predictable? as many corrupt millionares there are here in the states that get caught pulling ponzi schemes it not to far unlikely that a billionare would get crooks to steal for him. how did he get his money in the first place. theres a lot of corrupt rich people this world who earned their fortune through crime. its just a game you tend to over think these things. isn't it far fetched for a wealthy son of a sheik to hire a bodygaurd / club manager to steal a golden helicopter when he could buy one himself? see what i mean. i like how the story played out. he was a rich douchebag who through his weight around and got a kick out of stepping on people smaller than him. he eventually got his in the end and was found cowering behind his private army. i wish i could have spoilered that last part but i donj't see a spoiler icon. didn't want to ruin it for those that didn't get that far yet. Regardless of whether anyone cares or not, Weston as antagonist was sh*t. Complete. utter sh*t. Just had no real or meaningiful purpose in the story. Nothing anyone says will change that for me. Jabalous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zodape Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Speaking of lazy antagonists, what's your opinion of Massimo Torini from LCS? Sorry, I never played LCS. Though I watched a full playthrough of it once. Honestly, I don't recall seeing an actual antagonist at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzelfandQuilava Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 For what it's worth, I think Devon's voice actor did a fine job. He nailed that "condescending dickhead" thing spot-on. I couldn't wait to kill him, but I don't think he should have been the final villain, he was more a Vlad type villain. An annoying dick. This pretty sums him up, had he been killed off "minor style" like Stretch and Cheng it would of been better, Haines is the one we all hate for making us work for the FIB so why is he given the most dumbed down death? The Green Sabre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 V had the worst ever antagonists in the entire main series. Yep. They're so forgettable that I don't even remember their role or why we even killed them. I think R* tried to give the antagonists a one common enemy because they really didn't give enough missions to develop all 3 characters enough to give them a unique one, and in doing so they spread themselves too thin. In SA the main antagonists were all iconic. Tenpenny, Pulaski, Smoke, Ryder, all iconic characters you developed a relationship with. Compared to V it just feels like you gotta kill some random government agents that we met half way through the story because... heists, or something. The Green Sabre, Official General and Choco Taco 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Vercetti Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) It was really butchered so bad. The idea of having several disconnected antagonists was bad, and they were all so undeveloped that none of them felt like a real threat at all. I agree Madrazo could have been great, but his potential was squandered. Devin was an annoying pest and Steve Haines was an asshole but not menacing in any worthwhile way. They messed up in so many ways. Edited February 27, 2015 by King Vercetti Choco Taco and The Green Sabre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I kept hoping Dave would become an antagonist. King Vercetti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Skorpio Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Why Ending C ends with you killing Devin is a f*cking mystery in itself, why is it Trevor that gets him anyway? I don't recall Merryweather attacking his house and family... Had it ended with Haines being the final loose end it would of payed off for me, at-least then it would of made sense for Trevor to kidnap him then. The game explained that it was best for them to go after each others antagonists to keep everyone away from known associates. On top of that, Trevor had been wanting to f*ck Devin over just like he had been wanting to get to Steve Haines. He mentions to Lamar in Pack Man how after their business was done, he wanted to show Devin Weston that all the money in the world couldn't save him from a nasty guy who thought he was an asshole. That's why he was so eager to kidnap Devin himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Turns out I was wrong. Rewatch the cutscene for "I Fought the Law." Trevor asks why they're stealing the cars, to which Molly answers that they can get a very good price for the cars in Asia. Devin is stealing these high-end vehicles, so he can make a profit off of them selling them in Asia. By ripping off Franklin, Michael, and Trevor he's making a bigger profit. Not "because he can." In fact, that's even better than what was previously thought. Edited March 1, 2015 by cp1dell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlsonRe Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) WTF is a Stretch?? -Limousine Stretch -Movement type -GTA V Character Easy to find this if your playing GTA. Edited March 11, 2015 by CarlsonRe B Dawg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Turns out I was wrong. Rewatch the cutscene for "I Fought the Law." Trevor asks why they're stealing the cars, to which Molly answers that they can get a very good price for the cars in Asia. Devin is stealing these high-end vehicles, so he can make a profit off of them selling them in Asia. By ripping off Franklin, Michael, and Trevor he's making a bigger profit. Not "because he can." In fact, that's even better than what was previously thought. I'm almost sure that the game implied Devin was already very rich from other business interests long before the car theft stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woggleman Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Turns out I was wrong. Rewatch the cutscene for "I Fought the Law." Trevor asks why they're stealing the cars, to which Molly answers that they can get a very good price for the cars in Asia. Devin is stealing these high-end vehicles, so he can make a profit off of them selling them in Asia. By ripping off Franklin, Michael, and Trevor he's making a bigger profit. Not "because he can." In fact, that's even better than what was previously thought. I'm almost sure that the game implied Devin was already very rich from other business interests long before the car theft stuff. For people like him it is never enough and they treating people as their little doormats. It was more about that than the cars. He got off on bossing them around and throwing his weight around. That is why he wanted to tear the studio down as well just to show he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Turns out I was wrong. Rewatch the cutscene for "I Fought the Law." Trevor asks why they're stealing the cars, to which Molly answers that they can get a very good price for the cars in Asia. Devin is stealing these high-end vehicles, so he can make a profit off of them selling them in Asia. By ripping off Franklin, Michael, and Trevor he's making a bigger profit. Not "because he can." In fact, that's even better than what was previously thought. I'm almost sure that the game implied Devin was already very rich from other business interests long before the car theft stuff. For people like him it is never enough and they treating people as their little doormats. It was more about that than the cars. He got off on bossing them around and throwing his weight around. That is why he wanted to tear the studio down as well just to show he could. @ woggleman I hear and understand that, but my point is that it was a very sh*t idea for an antagonist by GTA standards. That's one of the most simplistic, plain, and shallow character templates for an antagonist, even a lesser antagonist than the main antagonist. V deserved much better than that. And I know Rockstar were way more than capable of writing a antagonist character miles better than Weston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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