Antagonist are forgettable...

[Zondar]

Personally, I couldn't wait to kill Haines and Weston. The only antagonist I've wanted to get my hands on more was Tenpenny.

[Stephan90]

The only antagonist I've wanted to get my hands on more was Tenpenny.

 

He was the best antagonist of all GTAs for me.

[Official General]

Personally, I couldn't wait to kill Haines and Weston. The only antagonist I've wanted to get my hands on more was Tenpenny.

 

I never even knew these two guys were antagonists until right near the end of the game when I was asked which of the 3 endings I wanted to choose. I promptly chose to kill Trevor without even thinking about it. It just goes to show much I cared enough about Haines and Weston as antagonists to wanna kill them.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Official General

[Zondar]

 

Personally, I couldn't wait to kill Haines and Weston. The only antagonist I've wanted to get my hands on more was Tenpenny.

 

I never even knew these two guys were antagonists until right near the end of the game when I was asked which of the 3 endings I wanted to choose. I promptly chose to kill Trevor without even thinking about it. It just goes to show much I cared enough about Haines and Weston to wanna kill them.

 

Story wise killing Trevor makes the most sense, since he is such a liability to say the least.

How did you not see Haines and Weston as antagonists though? They clearly seemed to be the main villains to me and were so f*cking annoying.

[Stephan90]

They should have made this "stealing supercars for a rich snob" to a strangers and freaks mission and keep Weston out of the main story.

[Acetaminophen]

Catalina? Like, for real? You barely saw the bloody bitch in the game. The only reason I remember her is because of San Andreas. V's antagonists are actually pretty memorable. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking about them in detail here.

In detail? haha! if you consider detail mentioning their names then yes we are going into deep detail.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Acetaminophen

[TheDeathRises]

 

Catalina? Like, for real? You barely saw the bloody bitch in the game. The only reason I remember her is because of San Andreas. V's antagonists are actually pretty memorable. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking about them in detail here.

In detail? haha! if you consider detail mentioning their names then yes we a going into deep detail.

 

Well, we've had the way they were killed as well. OP even mentioned Cheng, which I didn't even consider a main antagonists.

[Official General]

 

 

Personally, I couldn't wait to kill Haines and Weston. The only antagonist I've wanted to get my hands on more was Tenpenny.

I never even knew these two guys were antagonists until right near the end of the game when I was asked which of the 3 endings I wanted to choose. I promptly chose to kill Trevor without even thinking about it. It just goes to show much I cared enough about Haines and Weston to wanna kill them.

Story wise killing Trevor makes the most sense, since he is such a liability to say the least.

How did you not see Haines and Weston as antagonists though? They clearly seemed to be the main villains to me and were so f*cking annoying.

 

 

Haines and Weston were certainly annoying (as well as being boring with all that FIB stuff). But in no way did their characters evoke any kind of reaction from me that involved hating them. I honestly thought they were just the main mission givers, as much as they were pr*cks.

 

Actually after Weston tried to kidnap Michael's family I did think "who the f*ck does this guy think he is!?" , but to be honest, Michael did renege on an agreement he had with him, so it still was not enough for me to really wanna hate him. If anything i found Weston more amusing being the stupid guy he was. I don't know, they just weren't strong enough characters to make good antagonists in my eyes.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Official General

[Corndawg93]

Forgettable, I dunno, I personally wanted to shove a hatchet between Devon Westons eyes

[BoringPedsDumbCops]

I can't remember anything about the antagonists so you must be right.

[Femme Fatale]

Actually, they're not forgettable...We're never going to forget how much they sucked, and how Rockstar f*cked up with them...

[SausageTaste]

I think these can be spoilers

[The Green Sabre]

For anyone that's curious, here's what I thought about each antagonist.

 

1. Steve Haines: He was ok, I suppose. Haines came off as an arrogant, annoying prick more than anything. But, there was a sadistic side to him that I found a little disturbing, so there's some points for him.

 

2. Devon Weston: He was a total jackass. I mean, collecting cars for him only to get jack sh*t SHOULD make me hate him, but not getting any money for the missions outside of the heists pretty much made that bit par for the course. There was hardly anything intimidating about Weston, in fact I would go as far to say that he was more of a buffoon than a villain.

 

3. Wei Cheng: He was intimidating from what little screen time that he had. Seriously, Cheng should've been more involved in the story because I felt that he had some untapped potential. Truly disappointing.

 

4. Stretch: He only appeared in one mission during the beginning of V, and apparently that's enough to make him one of the main antagonists. Stretch has so little presence in the story that I honestly forgot he even existed until Lamar Down. Really, what the hell did he do to warrant an assassination?

[MajorVienna]

Every bad guy in IV was forgettable too. This is the 'HD Universe'.

[HaythamKenway]

Haines and Weston were certainly annoying (as well as being boring with all that FIB stuff). But in no way did their characters evoke any kind of reaction from me that involved hating them. I honestly thought they were just the main mission givers, as much as they were pr*cks.

 

Actually after Weston tried to kidnap Michael's family I did think "who the f*ck does this guy think he is!?" , but to be honest, Michael did renege on an agreement he had with him, so it still was not enough for me to really wanna hate him. If anything i found Weston more amusing being the stupid guy he was. I don't know, they just weren't strong enough characters to make good antagonists in my eyes.

Weston was terribly misused.

 

"So, we have a billionaire investor with tremendous power and influence all the money in the world can buy. What do we do with him?"

 

"I know! Let's not use the fact that, for the first time in eight years, we have a rich scumbag businessman on Donald Love's level in the series again and instead have the protagonists steal cars for him, like they did for low-ranking clowns like Cesar and Brucie in previous games, con them out of the payment and never do anything else in the story again! And when Michael pis_es Weston off, let's just have him send a band of armed goons to murder Michael's family instead of using his connections to ruin his life, as if he was just some random bloodthirsty gangster!"

 

"Eh, sounds good enough. Let's go back to designing monkey masks."

[rovert]

Ricardo Diaz > Weston

[Cebra]

Every bad guy in IV was forgettable too. This is the 'HD Universe'.

Uh, no. I think most people would agree that IV had the best antagonists of the series.

[Official General]

 

Haines and Weston were certainly annoying (as well as being boring with all that FIB stuff). But in no way did their characters evoke any kind of reaction from me that involved hating them. I honestly thought they were just the main mission givers, as much as they were pr*cks.

 

Actually after Weston tried to kidnap Michael's family I did think "who the f*ck does this guy think he is!?" , but to be honest, Michael did renege on an agreement he had with him, so it still was not enough for me to really wanna hate him. If anything i found Weston more amusing being the stupid guy he was. I don't know, they just weren't strong enough characters to make good antagonists in my eyes.

Weston was terribly misused.

 

"So, we have a billionaire investor with tremendous power and influence all the money in the world can buy. What do we do with him?"

 

"I know! Let's not use the fact that, for the first time in eight years, we have a rich scumbag businessman on Donald Love's level in the series again and instead have the protagonists steal cars for him, like they did for low-ranking clowns like Cesar and Brucie in previous games, con them out of the payment and never do anything else in the story again! And when Michael pis_es Weston off, let's just have him send a band of armed goons to murder Michael's family instead of using his connections to ruin his life, as if he was just some random bloodthirsty gangster!"

 

"Eh, sounds good enough. Let's go back to designing monkey masks."

 

 

For the life of me, I never understood why Rockstar had a filthy rich billionaire like Weston being into a criminal act so petty like stealing luxury cars. West could buy 50 of those cars he asks the 3 protagonists to steal and still not notice the difference in his bank balance. Why would he go through all the bother of getting a bunch of lowly thugs steal cars for him and risk going to prison for it, when he already lives a dream life of supreme luxury ? Even worse, why all of sudden did Weston decide to act like a ruthless mob boss and send men to harm/kill Michael's family over those stupid stolen cars, and risk an even bigger prison sentence ? Weston's character made no sense whatsoever, and addition to that, he was very a meaningless and boring antagonist. I just couldn't see what relevance he had to the story, and he had very little to no impact on it either.

 

They could have made him something like Donald Love like you said - those stock manipulation missions would have been perfect for Weston, but with a bit more variety and detail. Like Weston could have been some really wealthy company owner whose fortunes are at risk, so he sends you out to f*ck up rival companies and mess with stocks etc.

Edited February 24, 2015 by Official General

[feckyerlife]

Cheng Sr should've been left as the antagonist or at least one of the antagonist for the SP DLC, i mean he is suppose to be some big bad triad boss and all he gets in the game is one phone call and gets blown up at the end?

Every bad guy in IV was forgettable too. This is the 'HD Universe'.

do what? is that some type of bad joke?

[ROCKSTAR MANIC]

Definitely the those Youngblood's at ROCKSTAR need to improve. Intact, None of the the antagonists are rememberable. Not a single one. Madrazo had potential. Hell is that even a actual last name?. Well, I know in Spanish Madrazo means "to punch" or Hit.

 

Hell I still remember dimtiri being a top tier antagonist like "gang banging, cock sucking, peace of sh*t carl"..(Umm I mean) tenpenny.

[El Zodape]

Weston and Haines aren't as bad as Sony Forelli. I completely forgot the dude even existed, and it's not like Vice City had a very complex story to follow. Like, really, he is just slighty better than Wei Cheng. Wei Cheng. f*cking Wei Cheng.

 

Not saying Haines and Weston are good. Nah. They work well as secondary antagonists, but that's it.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Zodape

[Official General]

Weston and Haines aren't as bad as Sony Forelli. I completely forgot the dude even existed, and it's not like Vice City had a very complex story to follow. Like, really, he is just slighty better than Wei Cheng. Wei Cheng. f*cking Wei Cheng.

 

Not saying Haines and Weston are good. Nah. They work well as secondary antagonists, but that's it.

 

Sonny Forelli alone was much better than Haines and Weston put together. Forelli would give you those threatening and intimidating phone calls every now and then that would keep you thinking, "sh*t, this guy is gonna come after me one day, just when will that be ??". You really felt like he was watching your every move, breathing down your neck, but you weren't sure when he'd strike. When Sonny sends Mafia guys down to Vice City to take over Tommy's business and his money, that was one of the most thrilling and excitng parts of the storyline. Crazy Mafia war on the streets of VC over control of criminal rackets, gunshots and bodies all over town. Man, Forelli was brilliant, and the strange thing is, he was not seen for most of the game.

 

How you can even mention Haines and Weston in the same sentence as Forelli is a capital offence in itself, let alone say the two were better than him !!

[El Zodape]

 

Weston and Haines aren't as bad as Sony Forelli. I completely forgot the dude even existed, and it's not like Vice City had a very complex story to follow. Like, really, he is just slighty better than Wei Cheng. Wei Cheng. f*cking Wei Cheng.

 

Not saying Haines and Weston are good. Nah. They work well as secondary antagonists, but that's it.

 

Sonny Forelli alone was much better than Haines and Weston put together. Forelli would give you those threatening and intimidating phone calls every now and then that would keep you thinking, "sh*t, this guy is gonna come after me one day, just when will that be ??". You really felt like he was watching your every move, breathing down your neck, but you weren't sure when he'd strike. When Sonny sends Mafia guys down to Vice City to take over Tommy's business and his money, that was one of the most thrilling and excitng parts of the storyline. Crazy Mafia war on the streets of VC over control of criminal rackets, gunshots and bodies all over town. Man, Forelli was brilliant, and the strange thing is, he was not seen for most of the game.

 

How you can even mention Haines and Weston in the same sentence as Forelli is a capital offence in itself, let alone say the two were better than him !!

 

 

At least Devin and Steve were present in the story. Forelli was a very lazy antagonist. he appears at the beggining, talking about money. He calls you like once or twice, talking about money. He finally appears at the end, trying to get his money. You kill him. The end.

 

Again, he calls you like, what? One or two times and that's it. It's all "moneymoneymoneymoney". Come on. Again, I cared so little about him, I forgot he even existed.

 

There's only one good antagonist in Vice City and he's named Lance Vance. Hell, it would have been better if he was the final boss and Sonny just the guy you kill before him.

 

It's not like Sonny rarely appearing is a negative thing. For example, Starkweather from Manhunt talks to you throughout the game and appears exactly one time, which is at the end. He has some interesting dialogues and all that kind of sh*t. He is probably the one who has the most dialogue in the entire game. Sony has about 9 lines and all of them are about de monez.

 

Well, just my opinion bro. I wish I could like him just as much as you do, I'd probably enjoyed VC much more, but that's how I feel.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Zodape

[dyspoid]

For anyone that's curious, here's what I thought about each antagonist.

 

1. Steve Haines: He was ok, I suppose. Haines came off as an arrogant, annoying prick more than anything. But, there was a sadistic side to him that I found a little disturbing, so there's some points for him.

 

2. Devon Weston: He was a total jackass. I mean, collecting cars for him only to get jack sh*t SHOULD make me hate him, but not getting any money for the missions outside of the heists pretty much made that bit par for the course. There was hardly anything intimidating about Weston, in fact I would go as far to say that he was more of a buffoon than a villain.

 

3. Wei Cheng: He was intimidating from what little screen time that he had. Seriously, Cheng should've been more involved in the story because I felt that he had some untapped potential. Truly disappointing.

 

4. Stretch: He only appeared in one mission during the beginning of V, and apparently that's enough to make him one of the main antagonists. Stretch has so little presence in the story that I honestly forgot he even existed until Lamar Down. Really, what the hell did he do to warrant an assassination?

 

I think this sums things up excellently. You can't really argue with that. Haines and Weston were annoying pricks, but it feels like we could have wasted them at any given point, instead of letting it drag on. Due to Michael's arrangement with Dave, you would effectively be safe by killing Haines. This would mean nobody would be able to stop you knocking Weston. In terms of story, I don't know why Trevor didn't kill them when they first met.

 

Stretch was a terrible antagonist. He wasn't even an antagonist. I forgot about him until the final mission. A few more missions with Stretch could have established some more context, pretty easily.

 

Wei Cheng, however, could have been a major antagonist. I feel like they could have woven he and his triad into the story a little more. If where the game ended was merely the third quarter, the story could have really integrated them. Haines and Weston ask you to perform some kind of operation or heist which interferes with Cheng's interests, or something.

[Corndawg93]

Sonny Forelli sucks, I agree with Zopade, I forgot he was there until he calls Tommy

[cp1dell]

I really don't get the issue.

 

Haines was constantly dicking the protagonists around. Not even Dave liked him, but he was his boss, which is why he - and in return Michael (who then drags Franklin and Trevor into his mess) did his dirty work.

 

Cheng Sr. wasn't a constant threat, but he seriously f*cked with Michael and Trevor. Trevor's business is almost destroyed, and Michael is f*cking kidnapped and prepared to be sent through a f*cking meat-shredder.

 

Devin was an asshole who was an associate with Haines. In the end, he was the one sort of pulling the strings, and trying to pit Franklin against the other two every time he had a moment alone with him.

 

Stretch I agree wasn't a big issue. He's around for a bit, f*cks with Franklin, and is gone. He's also gone because at that point Franklin was done with the gangbanger sh*t, and more involved with Trevor and Michael.

 

Do any of you even pay attention to the dialogue after the refinery shootout?

After luring the big bad gangs that were out to kill the three of them, Franklin mentions they still have a bunch of people that need to be killed, and Michael says that just a few "noisy people" need to be silenced. Obviously the first to come up is Steve Haines, since he was sort of the problem from the beginning. Franklin mentions the Chengs, saying there's a chance they'll come back. They are still out to get Trevor and Michael.

 

And here's the one everyone loves to complain about. Stretch, who Trevor brings up. Franklin actually acts surprised and asks if they really want to throw him into this big assassination, to which Michael explains Trevor just wants someone else to kill. But he is still sort of a loose end, albeit a small one.

 

Then Michael brings up Steve Haines again, and mentions Devin Weston. There's no arguing that they are the two main antagonists, and most of the problems faced in the story were because of them.

 

I actually don't mind the "quick nature and wrap-up" of Ending C. It makes sense sort of, considering the three no longer have anyone tying them down and constantly doing favors (Haines, Devin), and now since the three are finally cooperating and willing to work together to put away this sh*t, the player is able to take advantage of the SWITCH mechanic while the three simultaneously take out their loose ends. Each killing the person they had the least connections with to not draw too much attention.

 

Finally they nab Devin Weston, and as all three protagonists you take that f*cker out right before the credits roll.

Edited February 25, 2015 by cp1dell

[Cebra]

 

 

Haines and Weston were certainly annoying (as well as being boring with all that FIB stuff). But in no way did their characters evoke any kind of reaction from me that involved hating them. I honestly thought they were just the main mission givers, as much as they were pr*cks.

 

Actually after Weston tried to kidnap Michael's family I did think "who the f*ck does this guy think he is!?" , but to be honest, Michael did renege on an agreement he had with him, so it still was not enough for me to really wanna hate him. If anything i found Weston more amusing being the stupid guy he was. I don't know, they just weren't strong enough characters to make good antagonists in my eyes.

 

Weston was terribly misused.

 

"So, we have a billionaire investor with tremendous power and influence all the money in the world can buy. What do we do with him?"

 

"I know! Let's not use the fact that, for the first time in eight years, we have a rich scumbag businessman on Donald Love's level in the series again and instead have the protagonists steal cars for him, like they did for low-ranking clowns like Cesar and Brucie in previous games, con them out of the payment and never do anything else in the story again! And when Michael pis_es Weston off, let's just have him send a band of armed goons to murder Michael's family instead of using his connections to ruin his life, as if he was just some random bloodthirsty gangster!"

 

"Eh, sounds good enough. Let's go back to designing monkey masks."

 

Even worse, why all of sudden did Weston decide to act like a ruthless mob boss and send men to harm/kill Michael's family over those stupid stolen cars, and risk an even bigger prison sentence ? Weston's character made no sense whatsoever, and addition to that, he was very a meaningless and boring antagonist.

 

Just to clarify, Devin sent the mercenaries after M because he, for some stupid reason, thought that he killed Molly in the previous mission. This, despite the fact that the whole airport event was live on the news so Devin really had no reason to think so. On top of this, Molly really had no reason to run from M in the first place considering how calm she was in the cutscene beforehand. This was one of the (very) many times the story felt entirely forced and desperate for an "action-packed" mission.

 

Additionally, you can call Devin after Legal Trouble and Michael will apologize for Molly's accidental death. Devin calmly says that lawyers are replaceable; he doesn't give a damn about her. In the very next mission, Michael calls Devin again and he's absolutely furious (and he seemingly only just found out about Molly, despite the other phone call), acting like he cared so much about her. Just goes to show that Rockstar are perfectly willing to contradict themselves to provide some sort of "plot point" when it came so easily in previous games.

[Bi0ha2ard_q8]

Michael and Trevor are also antagonists. That's the big twist.

 

 

Michael's betrayal is similar to Catalina, Sonny and Big smoke's betrayals. Trevor seeks vengeance,

 

 

On the other hand Trevor is a vile unpredictable maniac. He is evil for lack of a better word, and a liability, attracting trouble wherever he goes.

BTW T cannot operate independently, most of his solo ventures fail. But he's a good henchman, and M knows that.

 

Franklin makes the decision, a career decision.

Edited February 26, 2015 by Bi0ha2ard_q8

[The_B1u3_Jay]

What i dont understand is if Devin Weston was a billionaire, why couldnt he have just bought all of those cars himself instead of sending Franklin and Trevor to steal them?

Edited February 26, 2015 by Awesom-0

[PhillBellic]

 

 

Weston and Haines aren't as bad as Sony Forelli. I completely forgot the dude even existed, and it's not like Vice City had a very complex story to follow. Like, really, he is just slighty better than Wei Cheng. Wei Cheng. f*cking Wei Cheng.

 

Not saying Haines and Weston are good. Nah. They work well as secondary antagonists, but that's it.

 

Sonny Forelli alone was much better than Haines and Weston put together. Forelli would give you those threatening and intimidating phone calls every now and then that would keep you thinking, "sh*t, this guy is gonna come after me one day, just when will that be ??". You really felt like he was watching your every move, breathing down your neck, but you weren't sure when he'd strike. When Sonny sends Mafia guys down to Vice City to take over Tommy's business and his money, that was one of the most thrilling and excitng parts of the storyline. Crazy Mafia war on the streets of VC over control of criminal rackets, gunshots and bodies all over town. Man, Forelli was brilliant, and the strange thing is, he was not seen for most of the game.

 

How you can even mention Haines and Weston in the same sentence as Forelli is a capital offence in itself, let alone say the two were better than him !!

 

 

At least Devin and Steve were present in the story. Forelli was a very lazy antagonist. he appears at the beggining, talking about money. He calls you like once or twice, talking about money. He finally appears at the end, trying to get his money. You kill him. The end.

 

Again, he calls you like, what? One or two times and that's it. It's all "moneymoneymoneymoney". Come on. Again, I cared so little about him, I forgot he even existed.

 

There's only one good antagonist in Vice City and he's named Lance Vance. Hell, it would have been better if he was the final boss and Sonny just the guy you kill before him.

 

It's not like Sonny rarely appearing is a negative thing. For example, Starkweather from Manhunt talks to you throughout the game and appears exactly one time, which is at the end. He has some interesting dialogues and all that kind of sh*t. He is probably the one who has the most dialogue in the entire game. Sony has about 9 lines and all of them are about de monez.

 

Well, just my opinion bro. I wish I could like him just as much as you do, I'd probably enjoyed VC much more, but that's how I feel.

 

Speaking of lazy antagonists, what's your opinion of Massimo Torini from LCS?

Edited February 26, 2015 by PhillBellic