BoringPedsDumbCops Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Pedestrians suck, we were told they would have daily routines etc.. Rockstar are bullsh*t artists. Niobium, Acetaminophen and Kafonix 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp9865 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) the peds having their own life statement got misunderstood and hyped that people actually believed that every single NPC would go about their day if followed etc. What they actually meant was(and you can test this in game if you like, or look into the san Andreas hitmen thread on this forum) that peds will spawn in different places depending on the time of day. For example. Ped 1, let's name him Dave, at 9am leaves his house in Chumash. So if you are in Chumash at 9am you will see Dave. He works at, let's say the clucking bell factory. He starts work at 12pm. So if you're around the Clucking Bell factory at 12pm you will see Dave. Then on his way home around 8pm he will have a drink in Hookies. Again if you're at Hookies at 8pm you will see Dave. if you don't leave the initial area where you first see Dave then he won't despawn and he certainly won't go through a pre programmed routine of driving to work, working, then driving to Hookies, then going home. There's not enough processing power to fully programme full lives for every single Ped in the game. That's just ridiculous. Dave is an example that i quickly made up before anyone goes looking for him. Basically peds have different spawn points depending on the time of day to give the illusion that they have actual lives. @respectiseverything (most ironic username since monstercockdude) As you obviously can't read I'll repost this for you @lightninglord. Have you been in the real world lately? Everyone is on their phone all the time. Hell I'm using my phone to type this. R* parody and exaggerate real life. I also suggest checking out this thread. http://gtaforums.com/topic/747396-gta-forums-weekly-snapmatic-photo-competition/page-10 The parties and nightlife section. OMG there are peds who aren't on their phone or smoking. Edited February 20, 2015 by jp9865 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Sabre Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 @ John The Grudge Well for starters, there's Watch Dogs, GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed Unity, and Skyrim. Those games had far better pedestrians because in those games, they won't freak the f*ck out and call the cops on you for the most ridiculous things like standing near them for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshio_maxoS Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 They are not dumb... at least they jump away when you drive with a bike... 3 miles away of them. I belive somehwere else also try to advoide getting by you... R* still not fixed tha peds realistic... BUT... they dont try to overtake me on fking red traffic lights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krysalis Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Lol at people saying Watch Dogs has better AI. Maybe if i give some example of such a ''great'' AI you guys will forget what about said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Ronson Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 You know? The real problem with the AI is not that they're dumb or anything, infact sometimes they can be pretty smart given the situation and can act accordingly. The real problem as someone pointed in a couple of posts ago is that the AI is a Little bit jumpy and was programmed to be provoked at the slightest bump the player can make, even tampering with props can get NPCs all around annoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Cobra Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I find them funny. Especially the conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick930930 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I can't believe you people actually NEED pedestrians to have lives.. get your OWN lives my God.. they aren't the focus of the game at all. There as important as a f***ing tree in this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlitoDorito Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The A.I itself is good, they're smart enough to not walk into a wall, bouncing off it constantly, or jump over a fence, instead of trying to get around it or walking into it. But as others have said it's the reaction to the player that's the bitch. They're very sensitive. Get rid of that, they'd be better. Them living lives won't happen for ages! The consoles really can't handle it right now, with everything else going on and the size of the game, it's expecting far too much right now. They mostly walk and talk still, small subtle animations are a new thing though, scratching and coughing, things like that, makes things seem a bit more real. There's quite a few animations they do, although they never end, better than nothing though. Was this a problem in the older games? When all they did is walk with the same animation, sit down maybe, same voices and same 3 peds having a chat, saying one line of dialogue over and over? Stephan90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephan90 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 If the pedestrians really had a full daytime cycle of actions, I would prbably still not follow one of them for a whole day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The gang AI in V was a great disappointment. I hoped Rockstar would have fixed this from IV, but they didn't. In IV, I could just about understand why Rockstar didn't have gangs randomly shooting at each other in the streets, because intense gang warfare is not a common thing in New York anymore, but it still goes on in LA street gang culture. V should have really had a great gang AI. Oh well.... Algonquin Assassin, Red DEAD, Acetaminophen and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I can't believe you people actually NEED pedestrians to have lives.. get your OWN lives my God.. they aren't the focus of the game at all. There as important as a f***ing tree in this game This is a strange logic and in some ways I see as an inadvertent way of saying the peds are indeed weak. They don't need to live complex lives like a real human obviously, but now you mention it they're about as interesting as a tree. PlasmaFLOW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendetta ™ Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hm....I don't know if boring would be the word I'd use, they're pretty smart...just aggressive and tend to do odd things, for example, I heard the strangest conversation while just walking around. Ped 1: You my dude, right? Ped 2: f*ck off Ped 1: Wassup? Later, I decided to just relax and take a stroll with Micheal, he literally says "Be cool, man." and all of a sudden the Ped turns into a red dot and attempts to fight me, lovely. I can't believe you people actually NEED pedestrians to have lives.. get your OWN lives my God.. they aren't the focus of the game at all. There as important as a f***ing tree in this game Can't argue with that logic, perhaps the next GTA should have no peds, matter of fact, screw cars as well! and guns? they're about as interesting as a tree!. The Green Sabre, Misunderstood, matajuegos01 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
îlîlîlîlîlî Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 So one of the features that seemed good pre-launch with this game was the interactivity of the Peds. However, - following them has taught me that they follow a script but when that script finished they stand in a corner on their phone. I don't see how this is bad? If anything it's as realistic as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red DEAD Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Peds in Red Dead Redemption were way more interesting than V's NPCs actually play fetch with their dog... They throw a stick and everything. NPCs actually have conversations. These two guys in the saloon were talking about the Civil War many, many years ago and it was very interesting. It lasted about 2 minutes. A couple sentences here and there and not those lame one-liner's. NPCs actually pee on the side of the road (Dogs also pee anywhere) Speaking of dogs... Dogs in GTA V were just placed in the game for show. In RDR, dogs act like dogs... They scratch themselves, pee, play fetch with human NPCs, go to sleep, and DON'T KILL YOU AFTER ONE DAMN DOG BITE! Do animals prey on each other in V? Nope... A cougar doesn't kill a deer but in RDR they do... "Random Events" are actually random events instead of a stupid flashing blue/red dot on the map like V has. Seeing a helpless man holding onto his dead wife on the ground and putting a pistol in his mouth really gets to you compared to the half-assed one's in V. Another cool random event in RDR is seeing a dead body on the ground and another NPC would be looting the body for money or other stuff. Edited February 21, 2015 by Red DEAD matajuegos01, Official General, Algonquin Assassin and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoringPedsDumbCops Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) I can't believe you people actually NEED pedestrians to have lives.. get your OWN lives my God.. they aren't the focus of the game at all. There as important as a f***ing tree in this game I'm starting to think you're a Rockstar employee. Anything which even criticizes the game is labelled a troll post by you; it's like talking to a brick wall. the peds having their own life statement got misunderstood and hyped that people actually believed that every single NPC would go about their day if followed etc. What they actually meant was(and you can test this in game if you like, or look into the san Andreas hitmen thread on this forum) that peds will spawn in different places depending on the time of day. For example. Ped 1, let's name him Dave, at 9am leaves his house in Chumash. So if you are in Chumash at 9am you will see Dave. He works at, let's say the clucking bell factory. He starts work at 12pm. So if you're around the Clucking Bell factory at 12pm you will see Dave. Then on his way home around 8pm he will have a drink in Hookies. Again if you're at Hookies at 8pm you will see Dave. if you don't leave the initial area where you first see Dave then he won't despawn and he certainly won't go through a pre programmed routine of driving to work, working, then driving to Hookies, then going home. There's not enough processing power to fully programme full lives for every single Ped in the game. That's just ridiculous. Dave is an example that i quickly made up before anyone goes looking for him. Basically peds have different spawn points depending on the time of day to give the illusion that they have actual lives. @respectiseverything (most ironic username since monstercockdude) As you obviously can't read I'll repost this for you I read it just fine thank you, you rude troll. Edited February 21, 2015 by RespectIsEverything The Green Sabre, Red DEAD, matajuegos01 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertighost Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I like the NPC's A.I, but sometimes they can glitch. I have video of an NPC, Ramming a wall reversing and ramming it again at speed over and over in a car till it caught fire and they caught fire and died, then their car exploded, Was pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorphilipjfry Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Them calling the cops on you for standing close to them, is very very annoying. For some reason the peds in online, last gen at least didn't have this feature. As a result, they seem a lot more real. In V I'm scared just to walk on the sidewalk in fear, ill cause a comotion, but not online, when they get scared, its usually for a legitimate reason. V's peds are good in a lot of other regards, I'm glad that correct peds spawn in sensible areas, in IV any ped spawned anywhere really. In V we have mainly fashionable, wealthy looking women in LS, gangbangera in the hood, bodybuilders at the gym, beach goers at the beach. Farmers, workers, bus drivers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humzz Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I can't believe people have forgotten the blatant false advertising of the first trailer: 0:06 - Peds have never walked as a couple like this. 0:10 - Peds have never interacted with each other like this in the game, let alone joggers walking in pairs. 0:20 - Peds holding hands? Never seen that in V once. 0:35 - Again, Peds have never interacted like this, not with the player nor with themselves. This is the game we were promised. Keep in mind the trailer was released in 2011. What the f*ck happened since then and the release of V? My respect for R* seriously went down from this. Niobium, The Green Sabre, Kafonix and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygrowls Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Although I agree that the peds get boring after awhile. If Rockstar would have put the extra effort into the game it would have been delayed by another few months, then people would bitch about the delay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp9865 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I can't believe you people actually NEED pedestrians to have lives.. get your OWN lives my God.. they aren't the focus of the game at all. There as important as a f***ing tree in this game I'm starting to think you're a Rockstar employee. Anything which even criticizes the game is labelled a troll post by you; it's like talking to a brick wall. the peds having their own life statement got misunderstood and hyped that people actually believed that every single NPC would go about their day if followed etc. What they actually meant was(and you can test this in game if you like, or look into the san Andreas hitmen thread on this forum) that peds will spawn in different places depending on the time of day. For example. Ped 1, let's name him Dave, at 9am leaves his house in Chumash. So if you are in Chumash at 9am you will see Dave. He works at, let's say the clucking bell factory. He starts work at 12pm. So if you're around the Clucking Bell factory at 12pm you will see Dave. Then on his way home around 8pm he will have a drink in Hookies. Again if you're at Hookies at 8pm you will see Dave. if you don't leave the initial area where you first see Dave then he won't despawn and he certainly won't go through a pre programmed routine of driving to work, working, then driving to Hookies, then going home. There's not enough processing power to fully programme full lives for every single Ped in the game. That's just ridiculous. Dave is an example that i quickly made up before anyone goes looking for him. Basically peds have different spawn points depending on the time of day to give the illusion that they have actual lives. @respectiseverything (most ironic username since monstercockdude) As you obviously can't read I'll repost this for you I read it just fine thank you, you rude troll. Hardly a troll and hardly rude either. You spam your opinion as if it's fact. Like i said check out the san andreas hitmen thread. Heres a link for your lazy ass http://gtaforums.com/topic/669186-san-andreas-hitmen/ If there really were as boring as you claim, they would be in the same place all the time making that thread/game pointless as it would be really easy to find them. Oh and did someone get a little insecure about their name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I'm glad that correct peds spawn in sensible areas, in IV any ped spawned anywhere really. In V we have mainly fashionable, wealthy looking women in LS, gangbangera in the hood, bodybuilders at the gym, beach goers at the beach. Farmers, workers, bus drivers etc. What do you mean they fixed peds spawning in sensible areas? I play GTA IV on a regular basis and I have no idea what you mean by that they just spawn anywhere. You don't see yuppie businessmen from Algonquin spawn in the primary Russian influenced Hove Beach, you don't see Spanish Lords spawn randomly in Little Italy, construction workers are seen around construction sites/roadworks etc. Generally the more run down areas of the city are populated by gang members, hobos etc. Business districts like South Algonquin are populated by businessmen/women. It's pretty much like every GTA is in how it's structured by its social hierarchy. I don't see how GTA V could've fixed something that was never broken in the first place. The Green Sabre, Kafonix, Osho and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Them calling the cops on you for standing close to them, is very very annoying. For some reason the peds in online, last gen at least didn't have this feature. As a result, they seem a lot more real. In V I'm scared just to walk on the sidewalk in fear, ill cause a comotion, but not online, when they get scared, its usually for a legitimate reason. V's peds are good in a lot of other regards, I'm glad that correct peds spawn in sensible areas, in IV any ped spawned anywhere really. In V we have mainly fashionable, wealthy looking women in LS, gangbangera in the hood, bodybuilders at the gym, beach goers at the beach. Farmers, workers, bus drivers etc. What are you talking about? Thats inaccurate. IV did ped variation very well. In LC's Black and Hispanic ghettos and hoods, the streets were teeming with gang members, drug addicts, dealers,vagrants, and homeless people. The downtown areas were filled with less rough people, city workers, and the suburbs had mostly well off white people. Algonquin Assassin, The Green Sabre and Red DEAD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGamer67 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 They die in many interesting ways. For those that keep going on about "realism" ... this is a parody of real life. I think it's beautifully done. I rarely encounter the problem some people seem to have with the cops getting called just for standing too close and I've intentionally run into people and been as obnoxious as possible. I even play as Trevor. I don't think the intention was for players to interact with pedestrians at the depth many of you seem to want. Like someone else said, they're basically window dressing. Just there to provide atmosphere and give the illusion of a bustling city for you to move around in. And shoot at. And run over. And blow up. And catch on fire ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeteeaifive Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hope pc improved upon a.i if this is the case. Because frankly there are no cutbacks on pc.. only bad ports. Because even a low end pc completely wreck a console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaxi Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 i hate that GTAV peds acting like synthetics from alien isolation it's quite stupid with no diffrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorphilipjfry Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Them calling the cops on you for standing close to them, is very very annoying. For some reason the peds in online, last gen at least didn't have this feature. As a result, they seem a lot more real. In V I'm scared just to walk on the sidewalk in fear, ill cause a comotion, but not online, when they get scared, its usually for a legitimate reason. V's peds are good in a lot of other regards, I'm glad that correct peds spawn in sensible areas, in IV any ped spawned anywhere really. In V we have mainly fashionable, wealthy looking women in LS, gangbangera in the hood, bodybuilders at the gym, beach goers at the beach. Farmers, workers, bus drivers etc. What are you talking about? Thats inaccurate. IV did ped variation very well. In LC's Black and Hispanic ghettos and hoods, the streets were teeming with gang members, drug addicts, dealers,vagrants, and homeless people. The downtown areas were filled with less rough people, city workers, and the suburbs had mostly well off white people.Ah sorry,I meant SA, in the 3D gen any random ped, spawned anywhere. I actually prefer the activities of IV peds though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustMeSrsly Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Of course the peds are scripted. Giving each ped true AI and a full life would be a tremendous amount of work. They are essentially meant to be little more than set dressing. I'm confident you won't find better peds in any other open world game. The expectations some of you guys have for GTA V are outrageously high. I can name you at least TWO titles i can find much better peds in! LOL Watch Dogs and Saints Row 1-2 (yes only these two, the third and fourth both suck in that department!) to start with! You son don't know what you're talking about, clearly!... Red DEAD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoringPedsDumbCops Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) I can't believe people have forgotten the blatant false advertising of the first trailer: 0:06 - Peds have never walked as a couple like this. 0:10 - Peds have never interacted with each other like this in the game, let alone joggers walking in pairs. 0:20 - Peds holding hands? Never seen that in V once. 0:35 - Again, Peds have never interacted like this, not with the player nor with themselves. This is the game we were promised. Keep in mind the trailer was released in 2011. What the f*ck happened since then and the release of V? My respect for R* seriously went down from this. My respect for them has gone down the toilet as well, everything from their lies to the delays and how chummy the Housers are with Brandon Mcnamara (biggest douchebag in gaming history) Their programmers are obviously very lazy, the pedestrians are abysmal and they could have dedicated all that time they spent on the ocean on more interiors in the city. The rumors of them spending months getting the sewer system "realistic" was a load of crap too, why did their waste their time on such pointless things? They denied that the game would release for the current gen then came out with a remaster so everyone would buy it twice.. Heists are still not released. I respect E.A. games more than Rockstar at this point. Rockstar are a half-assed company who spent more time on the graphics than they did on the gameplay, San Andreas sacrificed graphics to give us amazing gameplay. Now it's the other way around, Rockstar released a 75% finished game because they couldn't be bothered to do any more debugging for some more details that would have made it into something spectacular and revolutionary. They did the bare minimum amount of work required to please the majority of gamers instead of surprising us with endless details like San Andreas did. They will just continue to buy reviewers hotel rooms and take them to strip clubs leading up to the release of each GTA game, instead of putting their backs into it. The game has no replay value anymore for me. I played the other games in the series for months/years. Rockstar relied on the PC platform to release the very first game, it came out on PC BEFORE any other platform. They repay PC gamers by continuously giving the middle finger. 2 weeks before the planned release date they delayed it by two months, if that's not a middle finger to us then I don't know what is.. They would know months in advance if something was ready or not. They weren't satisfied with the pre-orders so they PUNISHED PC gamers by delaying it. That's how bitter this company has become. Still no heists and I don't care anymore at this point. Scumbag company. It had so much potential, I can only hope the PC modding community can turn it into the game that the dedicated fans want. I can't believe you people actually NEED pedestrians to have lives.. get your OWN lives my God.. they aren't the focus of the game at all. There as important as a f***ing tree in this game I'm starting to think you're a Rockstar employee. Anything which even criticizes the game is labelled a troll post by you; it's like talking to a brick wall. the peds having their own life statement got misunderstood and hyped that people actually believed that every single NPC would go about their day if followed etc. What they actually meant was(and you can test this in game if you like, or look into the san Andreas hitmen thread on this forum) that peds will spawn in different places depending on the time of day. For example. Ped 1, let's name him Dave, at 9am leaves his house in Chumash. So if you are in Chumash at 9am you will see Dave. He works at, let's say the clucking bell factory. He starts work at 12pm. So if you're around the Clucking Bell factory at 12pm you will see Dave. Then on his way home around 8pm he will have a drink in Hookies. Again if you're at Hookies at 8pm you will see Dave. if you don't leave the initial area where you first see Dave then he won't despawn and he certainly won't go through a pre programmed routine of driving to work, working, then driving to Hookies, then going home. There's not enough processing power to fully programme full lives for every single Ped in the game. That's just ridiculous. Dave is an example that i quickly made up before anyone goes looking for him. Basically peds have different spawn points depending on the time of day to give the illusion that they have actual lives. @respectiseverything (most ironic username since monstercockdude) As you obviously can't read I'll repost this for you I read it just fine thank you, you rude troll. Hardly a troll and hardly rude either. You spam your opinion as if it's fact. Like i said check out the san andreas hitmen thread. Heres a link for your lazy ass http://gtaforums.com/topic/669186-san-andreas-hitmen/ If there really were as boring as you claim, they would be in the same place all the time making that thread/game pointless as it would be really easy to find them. Oh and did someone get a little insecure about their name? That thread says nothing to counter my argument, and you continue to be rude to people looking for reasonable discussion. I have been extremely reasonable, I have stated my opinion and defensive fanboys like you get insulted by it because I point out facts.. such as pedestrians being nowhere near as complex as the trailers and interviews suggested, and the cops are far from realistic. I changed my name to something which points out my main complaints with the game, that's pretty constructive don't you think? More than what you're doing at the moment. The truth is you're typing out poorly written nonsense to annoy people who criticize the game because you're most likely a lonely teenage fanboy. People like me have been around since the start, we've seen how the games stopped progressing in any way past 2004. Come back when you're old enough to buy the game. Edited February 21, 2015 by BoringPedsDumbCops Osho, Excalibur Voltaire, Kafonix and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red DEAD Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I can't believe people have forgotten the blatant false advertising of the first trailer: 0:06 - Peds have never walked as a couple like this. 0:10 - Peds have never interacted with each other like this in the game, let alone joggers walking in pairs. 0:20 - Peds holding hands? Never seen that in V once. 0:35 - Again, Peds have never interacted like this, not with the player nor with themselves. This is the game we were promised. Keep in mind the trailer was released in 2011. What the f*ck happened since then and the release of V? My respect for R* seriously went down from this. These two Peds were also making out on Del Pierro Pier during the cutscene before "Franklin and Lamar" when Michael walked out of Dr. Freidlander's office and the theme song would start playing. It never happend again throughout the game... Anyone remember the days of San Andreas when a man ped and woman ped would hold hands? Ha! Humzz, Kafonix and The Green Sabre 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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