Religion

[mr quick]

 

 

Every time religion is brought up, a major sh*t storm follows. Fact.

 

sh*tstorm? i see one of the best discussions i had here so far. Please add to the topic or don't post, thank you. And i mean that very respectfully.

 

Best discussions? Come on, all I see is a few people acting like a bunch of prats about how religion is a bad influence on society which is ironic considering these people have the I-know-it-all attitude. This literally happens in EVERY religion thread or something related to do with religion not only in this forum, but in the whole internet as well as outside of it. I've read your posts and you're the only person writing in a reasonable manner and not forcing your thoughts down everyone else's throats unlike some cretins. I'm guessing they have their dicks all the way up Science and follow anti-religion propaganda videos just to give their miserable lives a meaning.

 

Right on. Go right for the derogatory stuff.

 

Your post doesn't make much sense to me, personally. You insinuate that I only detest religion because I'm a product of propaganda - Ironic, since I went to a christian kindergarten and private school; 13 years of being taught that evolution is wrong. All of those years, I wasn't taught a single thing about atheism. I was taught about evolutionism and why it was wrong. In the 9th grade I had a test where the tasks were to debunk evolutionary theories and scientific findings. I work in a Lutheran-Evangelical church too. Christian teachings have been propagated upon me for every single day of my life. Don't come here telling me I'm a product of "anti-religion propaganda" and that my life is miserable. My life is f*cking fantastic, because I no longer feel an obligation to a deity or follow any dogmas presented in the aforementioned teachings. Don't tell me that my only source of meaning in life is to force thoughts unto people. My life is plenty meaningful already.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Marwin Moody

[MyName'sJeff]

Haha, your post only proves my point further. Not only is your life sh*t, but the fact that you had a bad experience doesn't compare to other people's lives and it doesn't justify why religion is a bad influence on society. And the biggest bullsh*t I've extracted from your life story is that you claim Christian teaching has been propagated towards you, when you always have a chance not to follow the religion or learn anything from it at all. And your idiocy shines at it's brightest when you said, "13 years of being taught that evolution is wrong". I mean, to describe you as a major troll is an understatement.

 

And just to clarify, my original post wasn't even directed at you. It's directed towards the people who literally can't accept religion is in society and can't respect people's beliefs. So the joke's on ya.

Edited February 21, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[LightningLord]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every time religion is brought up, a major sh*t storm follows. Fact.

sh*tstorm? i see one of the best discussions i had here so far. Please add to the topic or don't post, thank you. And i mean that very respectfully.

 

Best discussions? Come on, all I see is a few people acting like a bunch of prats about how religion is a bad influence on society which is ironic considering these people have the I-know-it-all attitude. This literally happens in EVERY religion thread or something related to do with religion not only in this forum, but in the whole internet as well as outside of it. I've read your posts and you're the only person writing in a reasonable manner and not forcing your thoughts down everyone else's throats unlike some cretins. I'm guessing they have their dicks all the way up Science and follow anti-religion propaganda videos just to give their miserable lives a meaning.

 

Right on. Go right for the derogatory stuff.

 

Your post doesn't make much sense to me, personally. You insinuate that I only detest religion because I'm a product of propaganda - Ironic, since I went to a christian kindergarten and private school; 13 years of being taught that evolution is wrong. All of those years, I wasn't taught a single thing about atheism. I was taught about evolutionism and why it was wrong. In the 9th grade I had a test where the tasks were to debunk evolutionary theories and scientific findings. I work in a Lutheran-Evangelical church too. Christian teachings have been propagated upon me for every single day of my life. Don't come here telling me I'm a product of "anti-religion propaganda" and that my life is miserable. My life is f*cking fantastic, because I no longer feel an obligation to a deity or follow any dogmas presented in the aforementioned teachings. Don't tell me that my only source of meaning in life is to force thoughts unto people. My life is plenty meaningful already.

This is what I'm talking about.

[mr quick]

 

This is what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

In my defense, the guy made a f*cking idiotic post.

 

Haha, your post only proves my point further. Not only is your life sh*t, but the fact that you had a bad experience doesn't compare to other people's lives and it doesn't justify why religion is a bad influence on society. And the biggest bullsh*t I've extracted from your life story is that you claim Christian teaching has been propagated towards you, when you always have a chance not to follow the religion or learn anything from it at all.

 

Are you f*cking retarded? Can you not read? My life is sh*t? Let me quote myself:

 

"My life is f*cking fantastic" - Marwin Moody

 

A bad experience? Where in my post do I explain a bad experience which marked me? Do you not think it is evil propaganda to teach a young, developing mind that evolution is wrong, and creationism is right? Do you not think that a 13-year old will feel pressured into accepting dogma when they are ridiculed openly by teachers and students in the classroom?

 

edit: You edited your post, so I will re quote and respond:

 

 

 

Haha, your post only proves my point further. Not only is your life sh*t, but the fact that you had a bad experience doesn't compare to other people's lives and it doesn't justify why religion is a bad influence on society. And the biggest bullsh*t I've extracted from your life story is that you claim Christian teaching has been propagated towards you, when you always have a chance not to follow the religion or learn anything from it at all. And your idiocy shines at it's brightest when you said, "13 years of being taught that evolution is wrong". I mean, to describe you as a major troll is an understatement.

 

And just to clarify, my original post wasn't even directed at you. It's directed towards the people who literally can't accept religion is in society and can't respect people's beliefs. So the joke's on ya.

 

Elaborate on your last claim in the first paragraph.

 

It was directed at me. I don't respect religion. I don't accept religion in society. So I guess the joke is on the guy who can't read or deduct like an adult.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Marwin Moody

[Fonz]

Haha, your post only proves my point further. Not only is your life sh*t, but the fact that you had a bad experience doesn't compare to other people's lives and it doesn't justify why religion is a bad influence on society. And the biggest bullsh*t I've extracted from your life story is that you claim Christian teaching has been propagated towards you, when you always have a chance not to follow the religion or learn anything from it at all.

What point, exactly? I can't discern any points from your post. You continue your ad hominem drivel and fail to say anything at all.

 

"I'm guessing they have their dicks all the way up Science"

^ Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously after writing this gem?

 

You're just mad that the doctrine you were taught (only because it's the most popular one in your culture) isn't universally accepted. Yes, how dare people reject it and present reasonable arguments against it??? f*cking prats....

 

Get a hold of your petty little angst.

[MyName'sJeff]

What in the actual f*ck are you talking about? You're calling me retarded when you've just basically said religion is forced on young people? And who the f*ck are you to decide whether evolution is right/wrong and creationism is right/wrong when people have the free will of deciding what to believe? People like you are the one's that know JACK sh*t about anything, and with an attitude like that, you're life is absolute sh*t and you obviously have no brain. You don't know if creationism is false or evolution is true or vice versa.

 

Right back at you Black Mid, keep that retarded scientific logic inside you're pettiness of a brain. If you can't accept free will and the right for people to believe in whatever they want, then sod off. This world isn't for you. There's a reason why Science and religion both co-exist with each other on this planet.

 

My original point was why can't people believe in a religion that they want without getting hassle from c*nts like you? If anything, you people are the one's that are giving a society a bad name, and even making our species look like a bunch of retards.

Edited February 21, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[Fonz]

What in the actual f*ck are you talking about? You're calling me retarded when you've just basically said religion is forced on young people? And who the f*ck are you to decide whether evolution is right/wrong and creationism is right/wrong when people have the free will of deciding what to believe? People like you are the one's that know JACK sh*t about anything, and with an attitude like that, you're life is absolute sh*t and you obviously have no brain. You don't know if creationism is false or evolution is true or vice versa.

 

Right back at you Black Mid, keep that retarded scientific logic inside you're pettiness of a brain. If you can't accept free will and the right for people to believe in whatever they want, then sod off. This world isn't for you. There's a reason why Science and religion both co-exist with each other on this planet.

Holy sh*t... this is either the troll post of the year or the most retarded thing I've ever read. Either way, Quotable Notables, here I come!

 

 

Here's the thing, dumbass: science is true whether you believe it or not. Reality doesn't give a sh*t what you believe. Yeah, how dare that sh*tty reality contradict my dogma!

Oh, and as for the veracity of Evolution: fossils and natural museums are your friends

 

[mr quick]

What in the actual f*ck are you talking about? You're calling me retarded when you've just basically said religion is forced on young people? And who the f*ck are you to decide whether evolution is right/wrong and creationism is right/wrong when people have the free will of deciding what to believe? People like you are the one's that know JACK sh*t about anything, and with an attitude like that, you're life is absolute sh*t and you obviously have no brain. You don't know if creationism is false or evolution is true or vice versa.

 

 

See again. You're doing the same thing again. You're posting without

• thinking
• reasoning
• reading

I'm calling you retarded because you fail to make one reasonable post.

 

Can you come with just one reasonable argument? Can you post without running into petty, juvenile antics?

 

Also, try and ask a question that hasn't already been answered in the post you're questioning.

 

And if you can, show me evidence to support creationism.

 

No, a fictional book does not count.

 

 

e: You edited your post again! Re quoting:

 

Right back at you Black Mid, keep that retarded scientific logic inside you're pettiness of a brain. If you can't accept free will and the right for people to believe in whatever they want, then sod off. This world isn't for you. There's a reason why Science and religion both co-exist with each other on this planet.

 

My original point was why can't people believe in a religion that they want without getting hassle from c*nts like you? If anything, you people are the one's that are giving a society a bad name, and even making our species look like a bunch of retards.

 

First of all, learn English.

 

And no. Your original point was not to teach coexistence. It was a personal insult, directed at me, among others.

 

"This world isn't for you" - Are you implying that he should kill himself?

Edited February 21, 2015 by Marwin Moody

[Coin]

What happened in this thread while I was sleeping? Quick, someone give me the run down.

[mr quick]

What happened in this thread while I was sleeping? Quick, someone give me the run down.

 

I got angry at some incoherent imbecile stuff.

 

Everyone is arguing. It's a sh*tstorm. It's fun though.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Marwin Moody

[LightningLord]

 

What happened in this thread while I was sleeping? Quick, someone give me the run down.

 

I got angry at some incoherent imbecile stuff.

 

Everyone is arguing. It's a sh*tstorm. It's fun though.

 

See? What'd I tell you?

[Fonz]

What happened in this thread while I was sleeping? Quick, someone give me the run down.

Our "scientific logic" is retarded, according to that illiterate Jeff character!

[mr quick]

 

 

What happened in this thread while I was sleeping? Quick, someone give me the run down.

 

I got angry at some incoherent imbecile stuff.

 

Everyone is arguing. It's a sh*tstorm. It's fun though.

 

See? What'd I tell you?

 

I told you first! "Uh oh. This will end up in tears, for sure."

 

You're absolutely right though. It's bound to be a sh*tstorm, regardless. I admit that I am perhaps excessively adamant in my views, but I will never rest on the subject. Unfortunately, this is true for everyone. I highly doubt that anyone in here will see any kind of light.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Marwin Moody

[Fonz]

Hocko1999_fgc also predicted that I would get heavily involved

[MyName'sJeff]

 

What in the actual f*ck are you talking about? You're calling me retarded when you've just basically said religion is forced on young people? And who the f*ck are you to decide whether evolution is right/wrong and creationism is right/wrong when people have the free will of deciding what to believe? People like you are the one's that know JACK sh*t about anything, and with an attitude like that, you're life is absolute sh*t and you obviously have no brain. You don't know if creationism is false or evolution is true or vice versa.

 

Right back at you Black Mid, keep that retarded scientific logic inside you're pettiness of a brain. If you can't accept free will and the right for people to believe in whatever they want, then sod off. This world isn't for you. There's a reason why Science and religion both co-exist with each other on this planet.

Holy sh*t... this is either the troll post of the year or the most retarded thing I've ever read. Either way, Quotable Notables, here I come!

 

 

Here's the thing, dumbass: science is true whether you believe it or not. Reality doesn't give a sh*t what you believe. Yeah, how dare that sh*tty reality contradict my dogma!

Oh, and as for the veracity of Evolution: fossils and natural museums are your friends

 

 

No, Science always consist of bullsh*t one way or another. Obviously, a lot of times facts are produced because the evidence is clearly there and is more or less easy to get hold of, whereas other times it's completely absent. That's what Science is based on, talk a lot of sh*t, get things wrong, doing the research and then finding evidence. Whereas religion is purely based on belief and sticks to it.

 

As far as Evolution, I already believe in that, so there's no point trying to convince me otherwise, so yes I agree with you there. Fossils and natural museums are examples, but they don't tell the full story, do they? The only difference is I also believe in creationism and believe it is exactly a part of evolution. I couldn't care less if you respect my view or not, but the attitude shows how low people can go.

 

And the biggest thing is that Science can NEVER prove whether God exists or not, it's impossible and always will be, so the fact that you think a God doesn't exist with 100% confidence is absolute hypocrisy considering you rely on evidence and such. And yes, I can't prove the existence either, so again, it comes to a balance between beliefs.

Edited February 21, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[Fonz]

 

 

What in the actual f*ck are you talking about? You're calling me retarded when you've just basically said religion is forced on young people? And who the f*ck are you to decide whether evolution is right/wrong and creationism is right/wrong when people have the free will of deciding what to believe? People like you are the one's that know JACK sh*t about anything, and with an attitude like that, you're life is absolute sh*t and you obviously have no brain. You don't know if creationism is false or evolution is true or vice versa.

 

Right back at you Black Mid, keep that retarded scientific logic inside you're pettiness of a brain. If you can't accept free will and the right for people to believe in whatever they want, then sod off. This world isn't for you. There's a reason why Science and religion both co-exist with each other on this planet.

Holy sh*t... this is either the troll post of the year or the most retarded thing I've ever read. Either way, Quotable Notables, here I come!

 

 

Here's the thing, dumbass: science is true whether you believe it or not. Reality doesn't give a sh*t what you believe. Yeah, how dare that sh*tty reality contradict my dogma!

Oh, and as for the veracity of Evolution: fossils and natural museums are your friends

 

 

No, Science always consist of bullsh*t one way or another. Obviously, a lot of times facts are produced because the evidence is clearly there, whereas other times it's completely absent. That's what Science is based on, talk a lot of sh*t, get things wrong, doing the research and then finding evidence. Whereas religion is purely based on belief and sticks to it.

And where's your evidence for that, my obnoxious friend? I have a feeling you know absolutely jack sh*t about the scientific method if you think that's how it works.

 

And the biggest thing is that Science can NEVER prove whether God exists or not, it's impossible and always will be, so the fact that you think a God doesn't exist with 100% confidence is absolute hypocrisy considering you rely on evidence and such. And yes, I can't prove the existence either, so again, it comes to a balance between beliefs.

 

 

No, it doesn't. I'm the sceptic here. That means the burden of proof is on you to prove your claim that a deity exists. Oh, and I'm also 100% convinced that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Wanna know why? Because there is evidence of his invention as an imaginary figure. Pretty much how there's also evidence to suggest the fabrication of deities, prophets and supernatural powers in general, and it's called ripping off older mythologies.

[mr quick]

 

 

What in the actual f*ck are you talking about? You're calling me retarded when you've just basically said religion is forced on young people? And who the f*ck are you to decide whether evolution is right/wrong and creationism is right/wrong when people have the free will of deciding what to believe? People like you are the one's that know JACK sh*t about anything, and with an attitude like that, you're life is absolute sh*t and you obviously have no brain. You don't know if creationism is false or evolution is true or vice versa.

 

Right back at you Black Mid, keep that retarded scientific logic inside you're pettiness of a brain. If you can't accept free will and the right for people to believe in whatever they want, then sod off. This world isn't for you. There's a reason why Science and religion both co-exist with each other on this planet.

Holy sh*t... this is either the troll post of the year or the most retarded thing I've ever read. Either way, Quotable Notables, here I come!

 

 

Here's the thing, dumbass: science is true whether you believe it or not. Reality doesn't give a sh*t what you believe. Yeah, how dare that sh*tty reality contradict my dogma!

Oh, and as for the veracity of Evolution: fossils and natural museums are your friends

 

 

No, Science always consist of bullsh*t one way or another. Obviously, a lot of times facts are produced because the evidence is clearly there and is more or lesseasy to get, whereas other times it's completely absent. That's what Science is based on, talk a lot of sh*t, get things wrong, doing the research and then finding evidence. Whereas religion is purely based on belief and sticks to it.

 

As far as Evolution, I already believe in that, so there's no point trying to convince me otherwise, so yes I agree with you there. Fossils and natural museums are examples, but they don't tell the full story, do they? The only difference is I also believe in creationism and believe it is exactly a part of evolution. I can't care less if you respect my view or not, but the attitude shows how low people can go.

 

And the biggest thing is that Science can NEVER prove whether God exists or not, it's impossible and always will be, so the fact that you think a God doesn't exist with 100% confidence is absolute hypocrisy considering you rely on evidence and such. And yes, I can't prove the existence either, so again, it comes to a balance between beliefs.

 

 

How can you believe in both creation and evolution? It clearly says in the Bible that humans are created in God's image. It says that the world was created in 6 days. How dare you pick and choose and use that as justification? In a similar hypothetical fashion, I could choose to believe only the parts about murdering people who masturbate and homosexuals, and also the part about women being inferior to men, both intellectually and in how expensive they are as slaves.

 

Thanks for a much more readable and sensible post, though. You made sense in what you were saying and got your point across.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Marwin Moody

[Fonz]

Marwin, how dare you challenge his beliefs with facts! How insensitive of you... This boy clearly has a problem in dealing with reality, don't put too much pressure on him.

[MyName'sJeff]

 

 

 

What in the actual f*ck are you talking about? You're calling me retarded when you've just basically said religion is forced on young people? And who the f*ck are you to decide whether evolution is right/wrong and creationism is right/wrong when people have the free will of deciding what to believe? People like you are the one's that know JACK sh*t about anything, and with an attitude like that, you're life is absolute sh*t and you obviously have no brain. You don't know if creationism is false or evolution is true or vice versa.

 

Right back at you Black Mid, keep that retarded scientific logic inside you're pettiness of a brain. If you can't accept free will and the right for people to believe in whatever they want, then sod off. This world isn't for you. There's a reason why Science and religion both co-exist with each other on this planet.

Holy sh*t... this is either the troll post of the year or the most retarded thing I've ever read. Either way, Quotable Notables, here I come!

 

 

Here's the thing, dumbass: science is true whether you believe it or not. Reality doesn't give a sh*t what you believe. Yeah, how dare that sh*tty reality contradict my dogma!

Oh, and as for the veracity of Evolution: fossils and natural museums are your friends

 

 

No, Science always consist of bullsh*t one way or another. Obviously, a lot of times facts are produced because the evidence is clearly there, whereas other times it's completely absent. That's what Science is based on, talk a lot of sh*t, get things wrong, doing the research and then finding evidence. Whereas religion is purely based on belief and sticks to it.

And where's your evidence for that, my obnoxious friend? I have a feeling you know absolutely jack sh*t about the scientific method if you think that's how it works.

 

And the biggest thing is that Science can NEVER prove whether God exists or not, it's impossible and always will be, so the fact that you think a God doesn't exist with 100% confidence is absolute hypocrisy considering you rely on evidence and such. And yes, I can't prove the existence either, so again, it comes to a balance between beliefs.

 

 

No, it doesn't. I'm the sceptic here. That means the burden of proof is on you to prove your claim that a deity exists. Oh, and I'm also 100% convinced that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Wanna know why? Because there is evidence of his invention as an imaginary figure. Pretty much how there's also evidence to suggest the fabrication of deities, prophets and supernatural powers in general, and it's called ripping off older mythologies.

 

So you think Science never gets theories wrong? Mate, you are a total bellend, even for a guy who knows a lot of things about Science.

 

Einsteins static universe theory is a scientific theory which means that the universe is still the same size and always would be and it still can't be proven till date if its true or false. The only theory they've come up with is that the universe could "theoretically" collapse into a black hole because of the high density and something like this can't ever be looked into. So get of your high horse you fool. The biggest theory is the big bang which can't be proved either, therefore these count as absolute bollocks if you really want to use your own intelligence against you. Don't get me wrong, Science is really important, as much as its important to me along with religion, which you wouldn't understand anyway. I'm just saying don't think you know everything when you're just a human being who hasn't the slightest clue about your own existence and such.

 

As far as showing evidence, I've already told you it's not possible to prove it. Religion is based on belief, end of. If you want the inevitable truth, you might as well wait until the end of the world, don't you think? If you ask me to prove God exists, I'll simply ask you to prove the opposite. But wait, you can't?! This isn't the discussion here though.

Edited February 21, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[Coin]

I'm too tired and caffeine deprived to commit to this debate fully right now, but I figured I would point out the following;

 

Scientific theories are not the same thing as theories in general. And they shouldn't be treated as such.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Coin

[Fonz]

So you think Science never gets theories wrong? Mate, you are a total bellend, even for a guy who knows a lot of things about Science.

Why do my beliefs matter here? I'm asking you for evidence for those claims. Science is based on evidence... What's so hard to grasp about that? You also seem to have a very misconceived idea of what a theory is, in scientific terms.

 

Einsteins static universe theory is a scientific theory which means that the universe is still the same size and always would be and it still can't be proven till date if its true or false. The only theory they've come up with is that the universe could "theoretically" collapse into a black hole because of the high density and something like this can't ever be looked into. So get of your high horse you fool. The biggest theory is the big bang which can't be proved either, therefore these count as absolute bollocks if you really want to use your own intelligence against you. Don't get me wrong, Science is really important, as much as its important to me along with religion, which you wouldn't understand anyway. I'm just saying don't think you know everything when you're just a human being who hasn't the slightest clue about your own existence and such.

Consistency really isn't your forte, is it? So what are your criteria for picking which theories are "bullsh*t" and which aren't? So Science is important, but not really ("Science always consist of bullsh*t one way or another.")? Make up your mind, please. You also seem to hold contradictory beliefs (Evolution and Creationism), which seems to me to be something straight out of George Orwell's 1984 (look up "doublethink"). You see fossil evidence, but perform your mental gymnastics that allow you to deny them vehemently.

 

And I haven't "the slightest clue" about my existence? Huh? What the f*ck is that supposed to mean? Descartes would have a field day with you!

 

Here's the fundamental problem with your particular brand of watered-down relativism: you hold the belief that everything is relative, except for your own thought process, which is why you constantly try to evade the empirical backing of your claims...

Actual theories are backed by evidence, or at the very least, some form of empirical suggestion of it. You think that quoting a book constitutes a theory. It doesn't. I might as well start quoting the Lord Of The Rings and it would have the same credibility.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Black_MiD

[MyName'sJeff]

If Science was based on evidence, why are there so many things that can't be proved? It's obvious why you aren't answering that, and fossil fuels do not prove anything about what you're saying. I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about regarding the fossil fuels and mental gymnastics, either get straight to the point or stop talking out of your ass if you have nothing to say back to me properly.

 

No, I believe that Evolution is the end product of creationism. If there's nothing created in the first place, then it can't evolve out of nowhere. That's a part of my belief and I absolutely don't give a bollocks about what you think of it. You have your view, I have mine. The difference is unlike you, I'm not ignorant and disrespectful towards others.for believing in something different to them. I can ramble on more than your brain can chew, but I'd rather save my energy. Have a good day.

Edited February 21, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[Fonz]

What a pathetically weak comeback...

No, I believe that Evolution is the end product of creationism.

How can Evolution (a continuous process) be the end product of creationism, according to which the world was created in 6 days and Man was made in God's image (i.e. no Evolution)? There you go with the doublethink again...

 

If Science was based on evidence, why are there so many things that can't be proved? It's obvious why you aren't answering that, and fossil fuels do not prove anything about what you're saying. I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about regarding the fossil fuels and mental gymnastics, either get straight to the point or stop talking out of your ass if you have nothing to say back to me properly.

Fossil fuels? Come again? Mate, are you sure you're sober? And Science is based on evidence. That's the whole foundation of it. Add that to the list of things you ought to look up. Yeah, fossils do not prove anything about the evolution of species... Why don't you stop talking out of your ass and admit that you don't know anything about the subject you're trying to debate?

 

If there's nothing created in the first place, then it can't evolve out of nowhere

So how did God come about? And what about his creator? And so on... Please, enthrall me with your acumen.

 

The difference is unlike you, I'm not ignorant and disrespectful towards others.for believing in something different to them. I can ramble on more than your brain can chew, but I'd rather save my energy.

Ahahah, that's funny... have you read your first post in this thread? Please tell me how relevant that was to the discussion... You are ignorant. You didn't even know what a scientific theory was, you think the scientific method is bullsh*t/pure speculation but at the same feel that it has some value(?), and you think two contradictory beliefs are compatible.

 

Have a good day.

Probably the most intelligent thing you've said throughout your whole participation in this topic.

Edited February 21, 2015 by Black_MiD

[Jerome]

Religion, when exercised by the common people, is socially acceptable insanity. I prefer reason, sanity and common sense. In my humble opinion religion has been the main factor in stunting the development of humanity as a whole. We'd probably already be doing deep-space exploration without that superstitious nonsense and all the lethal drama it has brought upon the world.

 

In the hands of those in charge it is a tool of social control, oppression and dominance. And what a shockingly effective one, as it installs the punisher within the ruled subjects themselves. It's applied psychology of the most wicked kind, and i deeply, deeply despise it.

 

No compromise possible on this. Probably the only thing i am radical about, and that without a hint of shame or regret.

I agree, A long time ago religion was the ultimate way to control society.

I also think religion was invented so the man would have somekind of objective in life apart from surviving, making the best of your life to get to heaven. Even if I highly doubt it's existence.

[t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m]

Religious debate is srs bsns, guys.

[Dingdongs]

I don't want to come off as cynical, but I have to point out that, aside from the doctrine, there are other aspects in play within the Catholic Church. When a new Pope is chosen, he's essentially seen as the Vicar of God, as you put it, or God's mouthpiece, so to speak. Of course, besides this, there is also a human dimension to consider. If the Pope deviated radically, let's say even completely, from the established doctrine, I doubt he would have any credibility as the head of the Catholic Church. The believers wouldn't just follow him and change their entire belief system just because the Pope's words encouraged them to do so. I'm fairly sure that if he made a statement asserting that the whole doctrine is wrong, they'd just reject him; or else they would have to accept that God had gone completely nice personoo. This is what I mean by Pope Francis' words reflecting his kind personality rather than the views of the Catholic community.

That's just an insane hypothetical though. Forgive my use of the word insane, but it truly is. There is no way a Pope would do something like that, given the vetting process for the Pope and given their lifelong commitment to the Church. It's really just entirely irrelevant, to a Catholic that's like saying "Yeah well Obama's approval rating would go down if he ordered everyone who voted for Mitt Romney killed", like yeah of course that would happen, but it's a stupid thing to even consider.

 

I do believe that his views represent the majority of the community, though. While Catholics don't really support gay marriage on a great scale, they also do not agree with the Bible line for line, just as Muslims do not support the parts of the Qu'ran that call for holy war against infidels.

 

 

 

 

 

As for the charity acts, I'd like to at least believe that humans would find common decency and empathy to help one another. Not every atheist is a kind, charitable person with an interest in helping others, just like not every believer is. I always like to think of it as brothers helping one another; the vehicles by which they choose to do so are, or should be, irrelevant.

Of course they're irrelevant, but again that doesn't change the fact that the Church/Mosque/Temple are highly important vehicles for serving the community and encourage that kind of brotherhood and solidarity amongst the community. Again you may think this sounds ridiculous as a European, but google up charity by religious groups in the US, it's extensively common everywhere, including the progressive areas. In fact religion is so common amongst Americans that even the most left of the lefties practice, though not usually Catholicism or Anglicanism but rather Methodism, Reform Judaism, or other more liberal forms of religions. What I'm trying to say is that you should not allow bad things written in the religious texts to discount the good every religion does for society and its adherents. Edited February 21, 2015 by Irviding

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Hocko1999_fgc also predicted that I would get heavily involved

Ahh yes, indeed, I did that using my psychic powe- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm sorry, I can't say it, it's almost as ridiculous as saying Jesus exists.

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Hocko1999_fgc also predicted that I would get heavily involved

I can't say it, it's almost as ridiculous as saying Jesus exists.

 

Well, he did exist. There's as much historical evidence that Jesus existed as there is evidence that any figure from that time period existed. Unless you don't believe in history prior to 100 AD.

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I figured by this point it would be more of a question of whether Jesus actually performed any of the miracles ascribed to him and so on rather than whether he existed or not.

 

That's not to say it is beyond doubt, because it isn't but as Irvding said, there's about as much evidence as any other historical figures from that period that we assume existed. Most of it is Christian-bias, but there are other sources, notably Tacitus who makes mention of "Christ".

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Every time religion is brought up, a major sh*t storm follows. Fact.

sh*tstorm? i see one of the best discussions i had here so far. Please add to the topic or don't post, thank you. And i mean that very respectfully.

 

Best discussions? Come on, all I see is a few people acting like a bunch of prats about how religion is a bad influence on society which is ironic considering these people have the I-know-it-all attitude. This literally happens in EVERY religion thread or something related to do with religion not only in this forum, but in the whole internet as well as outside of it. I've read your posts and you're the only person writing in a reasonable manner and not forcing your thoughts down everyone else's throats unlike some cretins. I'm guessing they have their dicks all the way up Science and follow anti-religion propaganda videos just to give their miserable lives a meaning.

It's called a discussion, or better yet, a debate for a reason:

Two people come together, with varied view points and perspectives, they put their side and what they think out, somebody else with a conflicting opinion decides to question the person's motives and thoughts, and then they debate it, usually afterwards both people have learned a little and get on with lives a little bit wiser.

Nobody is acting like a "Know-it-all prat" except for you, condescending posts and ad-hominem attacks.

 

Anyway, I'm not responding further to that debate and I suggest everybody else does, if you want to continue a meaningful discussion, that's my two cents.

 

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There's nothing inherently wrong with religion, yes there's definitely questionable practices in any religion, but there's often a lot of logic, powerful moral lessons and philosophy that is perpetuated and taught to every new generation and it does build little communities all around the globe.

 

However as someone is debating, perhaps that would happen anyway, perhaps there would be social circles that all influence each other in opinion, be it good or bad, perhaps there would still be radical groups of people who all believe that there is virgins waiting for them if they blow themselves up. Perhaps there would be people who know that it's immoral to rape and kill, and people who are the opposite.

 

Really, I think humans, being social animals that create close circles would probably still act and believe largely the same things even without specific, organized guiding principles.

 

It's really the question of how much of people's thoughts are taught or indoctrinated, perhaps genetics fully determine all that we believe and don't really believe, and I have no idea what the answer is.

 

I dont think religion is really a good thing or a bad thin, everybody has their own ways of interpreting things.