Can't have a decent cop chase

[DrMod.]

Sometimes I want to have a real feeling cop chase. I want news choppers and police mavericks analysing me but I want at least a starts worth of non lethal air support like maybe a News chopper that has a huge line of view and only when that is shot down or you pose threat do they attack. I hare having 2 stars being too lethal and 1 star too easy. By 3 stars they ramming you wether there is pedestrians or not?

[AzelfandQuilava]

Like the News Chopper in San Andreas? That'd be a nice returner.

[DaveGrimes96]

interesting idea

Edited February 19, 2015 by davegrimes96

[DrMod.]

Like the News Chopper in San Andreas? That'd be a nice returner.

Yes and it allows an extra wanted level without lethal helicopters yet the police can still have that aerial advantage to spotting you. On three stars in GTA V you are gunned down by stupid cops in the air when all you done was steal a car

[Aikor]

Umm i didn't understand what you said

[killahmatic]

I know it. I more realistic police chase would be great. I hoped for it back in the Vice City days. I thought IV was going to be the answer but it wasn't. You could at least last a while but it still wasn't even close to be more realistic, and V has unfortunately gone even further from it.

 

I usually mention the OJ Simpson chase when this topic is brought up and I think it still applies.

I could see 1 star being like that, where they follow you. Two stars could be where they start building up numbers. Maybe an occasional attempt at a pit maneuver. Three would bring in police and new helis, which wouldn't shoot at you, and instead make it very difficult to escape their sights. It would also add in spike strips. 4 and 5 stars is where it could really start getting a little tougher. At 4, Police could start shooting at your tires, more attempts and pit maneuvers or pulling in front of you and trying to stop you. With 5 stars they will shoot to kill. I also think 6 stars should make a return, simply because an extra star would mean more variety between each wanted level, or even better, I almost think there should be half-stars. I feel like there could be two different types of a one-star wanted level and using half-stars could make that possible. Five stars would mean 10 different wanted levels, which in turn would mean 10 different ways police would try to stop you. It would make the police look smarter and would make wanted level a bit more random than what they are now.

[Red DEAD]

Anyone remember the "media level attention" from Vice City? Good times, good times...

[DrMod.]

I know it. I more realistic police chase would be great. I hoped for it back in the Vice City days. I thought IV was going to be the answer but it wasn't. You could at least last a while but it still wasn't even close to be more realistic, and V has unfortunately gone even further from it.

 

I usually mention the OJ Simpson chase when this topic is brought up and I think it still applies.

I could see 1 star being like that, where they follow you. Two stars could be where they start building up numbers. Maybe an occasional attempt at a pit maneuver. Three would bring in police and new helis, which wouldn't shoot at you, and instead make it very difficult to escape their sights. It would also add in spike strips. 4 and 5 stars is where it could really start getting a little tougher. At 4, Police could start shooting at your tires, more attempts and pit maneuvers or pulling in front of you and trying to stop you. With 5 stars they will shoot to kill. I also think 6 stars should make a return, simply because an extra star would mean more variety between each wanted level, or even better, I almost think there should be half-stars. I feel like there could be two different types of a one-star wanted level and using half-stars could make that possible. Five stars would mean 10 different wanted levels, which in turn would mean 10 different ways police would try to stop you. It would make the police look smarter and would make wanted level a bit more random than what they are now.

Yeah half stars could be real interesting actually.

[L0SS4NT0SK1LL3RV]

The news helicopter from SA?

[Einsteinbomb]

[Osho]

VC and SA were actually quite good the way they designed the higher wanted levels than IV and V to play. It's just te ridiculous rate of how fast the cops spawned on foot around you that made surviving really frustrating but otherwise it was really fun. Police bribes also helped a lot in getting a breather for healing and to control the spawning rate.

Good point on the News chopper. It made the pursuits easier on gaining higher levels. I forgot about it until now.

Another one of the disappointments from V.

[FATE86]

I understand what you're getting at, on top of the lack of news coverage to amplify the realism, the wanted levels have no room for improvisation after a certain amount of stars. Inherently the wanted system was built without real AI overhaul since GTA IV, they just charge you blindly with little to no tactical skill. I was really hoping they would have expanded on their "Seek & Destroy" system to dynamically created scenarios during chases and standoffs like isolating you with blockades and/or responding with military forces when military grade explosives are used.

 

Basically all I wanted to recreate was the North Hollywood shootout with me playing as Emil Matasareanu and my friend as Larry Philips Jr, and you need to have way more sophisticated AI to accomplish this.

[Osho]

I don't find the higher level pursuits in either IV and V more realistic than rinse and repeat tactics for nearly every time you're getting more heat. The players have way less options like police bribes in SA managed to give the players an option to engage in fun yet challenging pursuits outside the -> broken spawn rates <- that should've been fixed by later titles easily.

Also some interesting control mechanism should have been introduced as a replacement for police bribes giving an advantage to the players to disengage from the heat.

As of now, its the same old story on highest levels - hide and run - rather than actively face them and drive to make them feel the pressure of the pursuit as well while having fun all along, creating a massive chaos till you didn't gave up or died.

Good times, really!

Edited February 20, 2015 by Osho

[DrMod.]

IMO 1 star to 3 shouldn't attain any shoot to kill police. The system needs to re-visit its six star system.

 

1 Star - Cops on foot (when on foot) and police cruisers who follow from a distance. No tactics. After 2-3 minutes the 2 star wanted level will be attained its self for avasion of arrest.

 

2 Stars - More police cruisers (up to 3) no tactics being used aside from road blocks. Cops will now tail at long range with a very large and specific field of view.

After 4-6 minutes it will be automatically increased to a 3 star.

 

3 Stars - News choppers tail in to broadcast the events. These serve as non lethal forces to keep an eye on you as the criminal. Police now tail in up to numbers of 5 and spike strips tactically placed en route of the chase. No shoot to kill police

This wanted level will not be increased unless you serve any means of danger to other pedestrians or police. Any firearms discharge beyond 2 stars is automatically attaining a 4 star. The news choppers have a huge field of view.

 

4 Stars - Police in SUVs now attack with pistols on roadblocks and pit manouvers introduced. Police chopper will join.

 

5 Stars - FBI with armed choppers. News helicopter evacuated as SMG rifles and armed police vans line up in the bridges and motorways.

 

6 Stars - SWAT come in with up to 2 choppers and gunners. Swat armoured van barricades and even APC tanks roll in at bridges

[mastershake616]

The half-star concept is the one I'll give my personal seal of approval to. Five stars, ten levels of escalating police response that initiates at different levels depending on the crime, growing as time passes without the player succesfully evading the police. This, however, would require the game to give us more crimes to commit: tresspassing, kidnapping, sale of narcotics, harrassment, property destruction, etc. While we may be able to DO some of these things I've listed, we're not neccesarily punished for them.

 

One of my favorite aspects of rioting in GTA is the feeling you get when you've been at it for so long, that by the time you stop to take a breather, you realize that a real world parrallel to your acts would be solidified in the history books forever. Up to this point in the series, the scars left behind from rioting have been nothing but player illusions. News choppers aid the fiction, but imagine returing to the site of your violent endeavors to see the city try to rebuild itself, or hearing stories on the radio about recovery efforts.

 

Will it happen one day? Sounds like GTA VI wishlist material, but realisticly, I'd say GTA VII or VIII will carry the capabilites.

[.Ryan.]

I don't find the higher level pursuits in either IV and V more realistic than rinse and repeat tactics for nearly every time you're getting more heat. The players have way less options like police bribes in SA managed to give the players an option to engage in fun yet challenging pursuits outside the -> broken spawn rates <- that should've been fixed by later titles easily.

Also some interesting control mechanism should have been introduced as a replacement for police bribes giving an advantage to the players to disengage from the heat.

As of now, its the same old story on highest levels - hide and run - rather than actively face them and drive to make them feel the pressure of the pursuit as well while having fun all along, creating a massive chaos till you didn't gave up or died.

Good times, really!

Don't forget in GTA IV if you spare Francis and/or date Kiki you can call them to remove a wanted level which is techically a replacement for the bribes and you can also call Lester to remove them, but unfortunately it's another feature exclusive to GTAO.

[BoringPedsDumbCops]

Worst cops in a GTA game by far.

[Osho]

@ Miamivicecity

 

Yup. I do know.

But no use for those higher ( and highest ) wanted stars I was referring to. IV lower wanted levels ( below three ) are easy to beat leaving not her ability not much of a use, at least, for me!

The thing that makes the "police bribes" really great is their easy to use and fits perfectly when in the mood for messing around on higher ( and highest ) wanted levels, while the ability to CONTROL the police rampages ( ignore bribes as long as you want ) EASILY. If the need arises, the bribes lower the heat instantly w/o the need to stop and make a call.

That's what I love about the way bribes work. I'd want something ( in fact bring back the police bribes; f*ck realism! hehe ) similar that would make the exciting frantic action much more fun than stop for calling or anything like that, because of which I didn't miss Lesters ability.

The bribes in SA ( and games before ) come in decent numbers and not too overpowering and placed in a way that encourages me to try out all the empty areas on the beautiful map. Rockstar should go back to the 3D route and fill the emptiness of the map with such similar useful items and tie them with such nastiness of power packed infinite action.

[PhillBellic]

This is a reason I stopped playing GTA V a long time ago.

[.Ryan.]

@ Miamivicecity

Yup. I do know.

But no use for those higher ( and highest ) wanted stars I was referring to. IV lower wanted levels ( below three ) are easy to beat leaving not her ability not much of a use, at least, for me!

The thing that makes the "police bribes" really great is their easy to use and fits perfectly when in the mood for messing around on higher ( and highest ) wanted levels, while the ability to CONTROL the police rampages ( ignore bribes as long as you want ) EASILY. If the need arises, the bribes lower the heat instantly w/o the need to stop and make a call.

That's what I love about the way bribes work. I'd want something ( in fact bring back the police bribes; f*ck realism! hehe ) similar that would make the exciting frantic action much more fun than stop for calling or anything like that, because of which I didn't miss Lesters ability.

The bribes in SA ( and games before ) come in decent numbers and not too overpowering and placed in a way that encourages me to try out all the empty areas on the beautiful map. Rockstar should go back to the 3D route and fill the emptiness of the map with such similar useful items and tie them with such nastiness of power packed infinite action.

Ah I see what you mean. I wasn't sure if you were aware of the alternatives introduced.

[PhillBellic]

You would not be able to do this in V;

 

[fwenshy]

^^ Please explain how this is a better system than V? It looks completely broken to me.

[Carlito117]

It is wierd that, as GTA has always been about wanted levels and chases, that GTA V is so devoid of it.

 

I always used to sh*t myself at cop attention in previous games, because of the sheer difficulty of getting away. Even dinking into the back of a cop car would be a good 2 minutes of running.

 

Evading police in GTA V is as easy as parking on the other side of a wall. And putting your foot down on even a straight stretch of road for 10 seconds sees you evade a chopper.

 

Maybe the sheer size of the environments now make it easier?

[Alvarez]

You would not be able to do this in V;

 

"Geronimo!"

 

LMFAO

[RedDeadAmerica]

IMO 1 star to 3 shouldn't attain any shoot to kill police. The system needs to re-visit its six star system.

 

1 Star - Cops on foot (when on foot) and police cruisers who follow from a distance. No tactics. After 2-3 minutes the 2 star wanted level will be attained its self for avasion of arrest.

 

2 Stars - More police cruisers (up to 3) no tactics being used aside from road blocks. Cops will now tail at long range with a very large and specific field of view.

After 4-6 minutes it will be automatically increased to a 3 star.

 

3 Stars - News choppers tail in to broadcast the events. These serve as non lethal forces to keep an eye on you as the criminal. Police now tail in up to numbers of 5 and spike strips tactically placed en route of the chase. No shoot to kill police

This wanted level will not be increased unless you serve any means of danger to other pedestrians or police. Any firearms discharge beyond 2 stars is automatically attaining a 4 star. The news choppers have a huge field of view.

 

4 Stars - Police in SUVs now attack with pistols on roadblocks and pit manouvers introduced. Police chopper will join.

 

5 Stars - FBI with armed choppers. News helicopter evacuated as SMG rifles and armed police vans line up in the bridges and motorways.

 

6 Stars - SWAT come in with up to 2 choppers and gunners. Swat armoured van barricades and even APC tanks roll in at bridges

 

This is how it should be. The police are way too happy to open fire o any minor criminal, it is unrealistic and gets boring. Having your car shot to pieces every mile and then having to get a new one is something that should only happen at 5/6 star levels. Unless you're shooting at them, police can't just start shooting people as they please.

 

Police choppers also re spawn way too frequently. In reality the local law enforcement will only have a finite number of choppers, but you can shoot one down ad the next will arrive a few seconds later in GTA V. Ironically police are at their best when they are being scripted in missions, even if they are too easy to evade after the final heist.

 

Also, with the invincibility cheat on, tanks that you get too close to will effectively shoot at themselves and blow themselves up. So you can never steal a tank this way. But I have other complaints about tanks, being too easy to destroy etc, but I'm digressing from the thread

[Ixnay]

What I hate most about the cops: they're chasing someone, they hit your vehicle and you get a wanted level. That's really dumb. And yet doing things near them that would normally get you chased/pulled over (ie, running red lights, speeding, driving in opposing lanes) results in nothing.

[Red DEAD]

Man, the 3D Era character's had it rough... The damn Army would be called upon. lol

[fac316]

Man, the 3D Era character's had it rough... The damn Army would be called upon. lol

Vs cops are like terminators compared to the 3d era armies.

[Mr Tomato]

Even though I love mowing down countless stupid coppers, it would be nice if they valued their lives a little more and took cover properly, meaning less need for pointless over spawning, more tactical and realistic shoot outs, a man can dream.

 

That video of IV I love it "geronimoo" hahahaha

[Modojo]

You would not be able to do this in V;

 

Yeah cops in GTA will never learn.

 

 

Edited February 23, 2015 by Modojo