Bringing Some Fun For Every Platform?

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

I have started wandering the forums beyond the PC corner in the last few days and once you actually get out there it is pretty hostile in places....

 

But there is a prevailing issue on the GTA Online section, that the game is stale, boring and people are playing less due to lack of new content. There is even discussion that the arrival of Heists will mean the decline of the DLC system and the gradual end of extras for Online.

 

Now, call me pedantic, but are the console crowd complaining about lack of content now? Heists are coming to relieve the stress, plus they have had content releases on a regular schedule, okay, not so much recently, but generally regularly. Meanwhile, in the 18 or so months since consoles got GTA V, we have had a total of 6 screenshots....

 

So my question for debate is, where do we fit into this situation? Is our arrival on the Online servers going to 'reinvigorate' the console online experience? Is it going to help solidify the DLC from R* and will our modding scene even help suggest future official DLC to R*?

 

Personally I feel we will help.... Maybe not initially, but as time progresses. I am guessing the extended Heist testing is holding back on console DLC, so once everything is launched, the DLC schedule will return to some semblance of normality. That should help bring some entertainment for every platform.

[Eurotrash]

We'll help Rockstar make more money, which is solely for the benefit of the console crowd considering Rockstar hates PC gamers, yes.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Eurotrash

[Dock]

Heists will stay relevant for what, a few months at most. I'm not sure whether they'll release any online specific DLCs after that though, perhaps for this year they might, then they'll slowly back off and I guess announce their next title, a new IP or some other R* title.

 

Single Player DLC is supposedly coming, who knows when. It's just as much a mystery as heists is.

 

You can't blame console players (including myself) for slowly leaving GTA:O, lack of new content really does get to you, because outside of that all we have are the same old jobs and some community created gems. Of course, when playing with crew members, friends, etc. you can organize some fun stuff but EVENTUALLY you're going to feel burned out.

 

Where do PC players play a part here, the future of GTA:O? Well, I don't see our arrival re-invigorating Online for consoles. DLCs are going to though, yes, people are crying for new things for this game they love (hope fully). We'll just be another player base.

 

I sincerely hope some good mods the community makes end up as updates (tuned and changed where necessary), example: fictional vehicles designed by the community, like a Toyota Supra knock off, weapons & custom attachments,or some features like crouching (lol, not in game for some reason!), etc.

 

In all honesty, GTA V/O really is a mess. Server issues (yes, still persistent!) galore. So much potential, but bogged down some questionable design choices, horrible PR from R*, and of course DELAYS. I still love this game, as I do R*, but "they-be-slipping" IMHO. I really wished they would have more community matches, like in IV/EFLC, instead of limiting themselves to just guest appearances.

 

Anyway, I hope R* get's their stuff together with the release of heists and V PC.

Edited February 19, 2015 by LevelDockSix

[Fubarbrickdust]

So my question for debate is, where do we fit into this situation? Is our arrival on the Online servers going to 'reinvigorate' the console online experience?

 

That's an interesting question - and one that interests me given my main motivation for purchasing GTA V for PC. Here's my thoughts and perspective:

 

I've already had the luxury of owning GTA V from release on PS3. Great game. Absolutely loved it. Finished the SP and spent a fair amount of time with GTA:Online, again, great fun...

 

Now, pretty much the single and sole reason I'm getting V on PC is for the GTA:Online experience - and more specifically, playing online with my Steam buddies and the wider online PC community in general...It's going to be a completely different ball game, and I for one can't wait, it's gonna be a gas.

 

Don't get me wrong, as I mentioned above, I've gamed online with the console communities (GTA and other games) and even though the principals for online gaming are pretty much the same for both platforms (Console and PC), the experience of gaming online on the PC can't be touched. It's so much better...In my opinion.

 

Reasons:

 

To be fair, it's hard for me to nail down - Maybe it's as simple as the fact that I have more friends that I game with on PC. Could be. But I think it's a little more than that - Possibly the fact that PC itself is more mature in the sense that it's been an 'online' platform for longer. Mod support for certain games definitely extend their lifespan (look at the Arma series for an example). And there seems to be more enthusiasm between players to communicate with each other in an online match (or at least it feels that way when I play on PC).

And on that note, the community - it's different. Vastly. And I hate to say it as I know I'll probably get flamed for it, but (mostly) much more 'mature' in the literal sense concerning the attitude of it's player base. Don't get me wrong, I (we've) all come across complete and utter [email protected] when playing whatever we're playing on PC, can't be escaped, that's the diversity of human nature for you, but on a whole it feels like the number of sensible 'mature' players who want to actually 'play the game' in a sportsman-like manner vastly outnumber the douchebag minority. However, on the flipside, gee-whizz, some of the atrocious behaviour/verbal diarrhea I've been witness to on PSN/Xbox Live is in some cases approaching criminal!!

 

And I'm sorry but this definitely has an affect on the longevity, playability and all round general 'fun factor' of any online game - I for one have ceased to play a number of games online on console because it's simply not fun to play. Mostly for reasons that directly relate to the things mentioned above. An online game is only fun if the players make it so. Simple.

 

That said, and again as before - I've had fun playing online on console, and by no means wish to paint the whole community with that brush as that would be completely wrong on many levels...

 

To sum up - Online gaming between the two platforms has an ocean of difference between them with regard to the player experience. To me, and in my opinion PC wins every time - this is due to the maturity of the platform, the people I play with and the community as a whole...

 

I think that will be reflected in GTA:Online for PC - and the experience will be all the better for it.

 

Will it reinvigorate the console experience? - probably not. And that doesn't really give me cause for concern.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Fubarbrickdust

[Xerukal]

I honestly feel sick to my stomach when I see people moaning in the most ungrateful and destructive of fashions. How the game (both V and GTAO) lacks content, how it lacks this, how it lacks that. While we're sitting here, months upon months of patient wait behind us, still waiting for a taste of all of this content that we constantly see get bad-mouthed every single time we visit the V section.

 

It disgusts me and it makes the people complaining look to be extremely ungrateful in the grand scheme of things. However, then I remember that a lot of these people do have a right to complain. Just not in the most obnoxious of ways. Constructive criticism is always great, but there's also the type that makes you want to brick the person in the face for being such a f*cking ingrate.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Xerukal

[Adelthorne]

If we look in the rear mirror and back to GTA 4, they did 2 solid DLC LaD and ToGT, right. Dont remember the time frame on those. I Think this is the most we can expect from R*, and what they are most likeley to do. After that they are into GTA 6, or Redemtion 2.

[Fubarbrickdust]

 

 

We'll help Rockstar make more money, which is solely for the benefit of the console crowd considering Rockstar hates PC gamers, yes.

 

Eurotrash. Dude...come on!

 

I am in no way trying to squash your right to an opinion, but on the same note that was hardly constructive...

 

I can only hazard a guess that you're a member of a GTA forum because you enjoy playing GTA games, and are on track to having fun playing it on PC - why the hate for the producers of the game?

 

Fair enough, they're a corporate behemoth but so what? There's a reason they're the gaming industry powerhouse that they are - because they make some of the best games in the world. Think about it - if Rockstar did truly, deeply 'hate' PC gamers - They wouldn't be bringing GTA V to PC at all, nor would they have brought any of the other games in the franchise, or MP3, or anything...if you really 'hate' someone or a community...you go on the principal. Money be damned...especially if you have as much money as Rockstar!

 

I think the whole hating on R*, R* hates PC gamers thing is getting a little old.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Fubarbrickdust

[Fubarbrickdust]

I honestly feel sick to my stomach when I see people moaning in the most ungrateful and destructive of fashions. How the game (both V and GTAO) lacks content, how it lacks this, how it lacks that. While we're sitting here, months upon months of patient wait behind us, still waiting for a taste of all of this content that we constantly see get bad-mouthed every single time we visit the V section.

 

 

This too - well said, my man!

 

Does anyone remember the days when a game was just 'released'? - if you liked it, you played it. If not, you didn't.

 

(that was more of a rhetorical question...I'll remain OT from here on in.)

Edited February 19, 2015 by Fubarbrickdust

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

We'll help Rockstar make more money, which is solely for the benefit of the console crowd considering Rockstar hates PC gamers, yes.

 

This is a valid issue to me. I have always said we are the 'long term cash cows' that will keep paying the monthly bills for the forseeable future. There should be a few mods that become 'essential to try' and will boost sales further. The console sales are the 'rush sales' that will develop new games and content.

 

But it isn't valid in this debate and I don't agree that R* truly hate us, they just get tied up by console contracts....

Edited February 19, 2015 by Sikee Atric

[Andreas]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have the last couple of updates not been a lot smaller than the ones that Rockstar released in the first half a year or so after the introduction of GTAO? That would add to the problem, not to mention that there are less updates these days than many months ago.

 

Also, it doesn't really help that there isn't a single mission that pays particularly great. You need to play missions like Trash Talk, Rooftop Rumble, Los Santos Connection, and other high level missions for an hour to earn $100,000 (+/- 20%) - and that isn't a whole lot in this game. For example, the attack helicopter, known as the Buzzard costs $1.75 million, the tank costs $1.5 million, super cars range from ~$400k to $1M (without any modifications, I might add) and the list goes on. If you like to have some battles in freeroam, you will burn a significant amount of ammo and cash in no time. You lose ammo and money from dying, and you lose it from the shootouts themselves. I could go on and on.

 

Now, don't get me wrong, I like GTA Online a lot, otherwise I wouldn't have put 250 hours into it so far. My point is, if you don't play the game a lot, it will take forever for you to even think about buying anything that costs more than a few hundred thousand dollars.

 

It's a given that the heists will help the problem once they release, but for how long and to what extent? It will be just a matter of time and the game will once again become too repetitive for the players, unless Rockstar releases larger updates more frequently as they used to.

 

I hope that it won't be long and we'll see the first mods for V. I firmly believe that it will inspire Rockstar to create similar content for GTA Online and to make it available for all five platforms, if possible. That alone is reason enough why the PC release is important, not only from a financial standpoint. No doubt that the endless possibilities that mods offer will keep the game from becoming repetitive for the foreseeable future.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Andreas

[Eurotrash]

I am in no way trying to squash your right to an opinion, but on the same note that was hardly constructive...

 

Cause praising a corporation that's been screwing us for more than a decade is very constructive.

 

I can only hazard a guess that you're a member of a GTA forum because you enjoy playing GTA games, and are on track to having fun playing it on PC - why the hate for the producers of the game?

 

I don't hate the producers, and I don't blame them for the issue at hand, they only do as they're told. I hate the management, hence why I always say "Rockstar" and not "Sam Houser" or whatever. I also hate the marketing department but that's another story...

 

Fair enough, they're a corporate behemoth but so what? There's a reason they're the gaming industry powerhouse that they are - because they make some of the best games in the world.

 

Pretty naive way to look at it. Activision is an industry leader as well.

 

FYI I don't hate Rockstar because they are a corporation... well, not any more than I hate every other corporation. I hate them because they treat us like inferior customers, and while I respect the irony in that, it's still some old bulls**t.

 

if Rockstar did truly, deeply 'hate' PC gamers - They wouldn't be bringing GTA V to PC at all, nor would they have brought any of the other games in the franchise, or MP3, or anything...if you really 'hate' someone or a community...you go on the principal. Money be damned...especially if you have as much money as Rockstar!

 

Again, pretty naive point of view. If they wouldn't bring GTA to PC they wouldn't be making money off it, they'd leave a major sector of the market unexploited. What you're implying is that they're doing us a favor, well I have news for you: they are not, they're selling a product and we buy it. And while most of us fulfill our end of the agreement (paying the asking price) Rockstar have yet to fulfill their end on any of the PC games they've released post GTA II (delivering a quality product). On top of that, we still have to pay full price for games despite the significant delay between the initial launch and the PC release.

 

I think the whole hating on R*, R* hates PC gamers thing is getting a little old.

 

Well tough sh*t. I'm not going to turn into a corporate drone just because your highness thinks my consumer rights are getting old.

 

 

We'll help Rockstar make more money, which is solely for the benefit of the console crowd considering Rockstar hates PC gamers, yes.

 

This is a valid issue to me. I have always said we are the 'long term cash cows' that will keep paying the monthly bills for the forseeable future. There should be a few mods that become 'essential to try' and will boost sales further. The console sales are the 'rush sales' that will develop new games and content.

 

But it isn't valid in this debate and I don't agree that R* truly hate us, they just get tied up by console contracts....

 

So is EA. Yet, they manage to release the PC versions of their games in time with their console counterparts. They also manage to deliver good ports, for the most part.

 

Rockstar doesn't suck at it because they try and fail. They suck at it because they don't give a damn. Take GTA IV for example, at the time it was their biggest, most expensive project ever, and yet they didn't care enough to let it be ported to PC by it's original developer (Rockstar North) or any of their competent studios. Instead, they handed it over to the low budget Toronto studio. Yeah, their biggest money maker, and they charged a low budget studio that probably never worked on anything before with it. They did that because they knew the hype would be enough to sell the game.

 

Rockstar might not hate us but they sure don't hesitate to let us know they hate us.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Eurotrash

[Aikor]

 

 

So is EA. Yet, they manage to release the PC versions of their games in time with their console counterparts. They also manage to deliver good ports, for the most part.

 

Rockstar doesn't suck at it because they try and fail. They suck at it because they don't give a damn. Take GTA IV for example, at the time it was their biggest, most expensive project ever, and yet they didn't care enough to let it be ported to PC by it's original developer (Rockstar North) or any of their competent studios. Instead, they handed it over to the low budget Toronto studio. Yeah, their biggest money maker, and they charged a low budget studio that probably never worked on anything before with it. They did that because they knew the hype would be enough to sell the game.

 

Rockstar might not hate us but they sure don't hesitate to let us know they hate us.

 

 

Yea Battlefield 4 is an eg of an excellent optimized port.I agree GTA IV was a horrible port..my current specs is enough for GTA V at recommended yet i can play GTA IV on 45fps most times

Edited February 19, 2015 by Aikor

[Eurotrash]

Yea Battlefield 4 is an eg of an excellent optimized port.I agree GTA IV was a horrible port..my current specs is enough for GTA V at recommended yet i can play GTA IV on 45fps most times

 

Specs don't mean much. GTA V's minimum requirements seem nearly identical to SR IV's, minus the hard drive and graphics card. I don't have the minimum requirements for SR IV yet I get a constant 50 FPS with the graphics set to maximum.

 

GTA IV on the other hand, I have the recommended requirements yet I can only get 30 FPS constant-ish if I set everything to medium...

[Fubarbrickdust]

 

I am in no way trying to squash your right to an opinion, but on the same note that was hardly constructive...

 

Cause praising a corporation that's been screwing us for more than a decade is very constructive.

 

I can only hazard a guess that you're a member of a GTA forum because you enjoy playing GTA games, and are on track to having fun playing it on PC - why the hate for the producers of the game?

 

I don't hate the producers, and I don't blame them for the issue at hand, they only do as they're told. I hate the management, hence why I always say "Rockstar" and not "Sam Houser" or whatever. I also hate the marketing department but that's another story...

 

Fair enough, they're a corporate behemoth but so what? There's a reason they're the gaming industry powerhouse that they are - because they make some of the best games in the world.

 

Pretty naive way to look at it. Activision is an industry leader as well.

 

FYI I don't hate Rockstar because they are a corporation... well, not any more than I hate every other corporation. I hate them because they treat us like inferior customers, and while I respect the irony in that, it's still some old bulls**t.

 

if Rockstar did truly, deeply 'hate' PC gamers - They wouldn't be bringing GTA V to PC at all, nor would they have brought any of the other games in the franchise, or MP3, or anything...if you really 'hate' someone or a community...you go on the principal. Money be damned...especially if you have as much money as Rockstar!

 

Again, pretty naive point of view. If they wouldn't bring GTA to PC they wouldn't be making money off it, they'd leave a major sector of the market unexploited. What you're implying is that they're doing us a favor, well I have news for you: they are not, they're selling a product and we buy it. And while most of us fulfill our end of the agreement (paying the asking price) Rockstar have yet to fulfill their end on any of the PC games they've released post GTA II (delivering a quality product). On top of that, we still have to pay full price for games despite the significant delay between the initial launch and the PC release.

 

I think the whole hating on R*, R* hates PC gamers thing is getting a little old.

 

Well tough sh*t. I'm not going to turn into a corporate drone just because your highness thinks my consumer rights are getting old.

 

1. I'm not praising R* because they're screwing us over - I praise them because they mint good games. And please do explain how they are genuinely 'screwing us over'...last time I looked we weren't a captive audience with a metaphorical gun to our heads. It's a buyers market, fella. We're consumers - If you don't like it, or feel that it's not worth what they're asking - don't buy it.

 

2. Wow, a lot of use of the word 'hate' for two sentences - Ok, so you don't hate the devs, just the rest of R*, fair enough - but surely you understand that the two go hand in hand?...the only way that the company is able to supply/employ the resources, talent and manpower that goes into producing a GTA game of the size, scope and quality that we've become accustomed to - is because they have the financial resources to do so. By turning in a profit on the product they sell and increasing the size of their business, etc.

 

Also, you are aware that Sam Houser is the president of Rockstar Games as well as one of the devs? The man at the top - and as such most likely has a very major role in the the decision making, management and marketing of his company and its products? Clearly not, otherwise you wouldn't be tripping yourself up like that.

 

Don't get me wrong - the thought of huge corporate 'fat cats' bathing in and feeding off the misery of honest-bob-joe-public makes me shudder just like the rest of us. But the simple fact is that R* produce a 'luxury' consumer product. They're not a bank. Not the government. Not an energy supplying corporation. My point is, as before, that they have no gun to our head. We're not bound to them. And they don't 'owe' us anything. We're more than capable of making an impact on the company and our own sense of 'fair trade' by how we use our wallets...and if the time comes that R* start producing a product that's sh!t...you and me both, my friend, along with a lot of others will be the ones to do so.

 

3. And here, not only do you call me naive, but you attempt to claim that you don't hate R* because they're a corporation - yet in your previous blurt you clearly express a targeted disdain for the 'corporate' elements of the company. I'm confused. Are you? Also, "inferior customers"...??? you don't need to explain, I already know what you'll say. Please reference elements in point 2 (above). It's their product. They can, indeed, do what they wish with it. It's not a necessity for us. And there is no signed contract, binding promise or handshake sealed with a bit of spit for them to break. Btw, i was quite disappointed in the delays also. And for what ever reason/polishing the game/marketing stratagy/whatever...I didn't get my knickers in a twist over it. I don't have an over-inflated sense of entitlement when it comes to gaming. Life's too short. I've got other things to keep me docile.

 

4. Again, starting off by calling me naive. And then you attempt to explain to me how a consumer/supplier business model works!! - which given the views and comments you've expressed thus far comes across as somewhat patronising...and more - What? Are you trying to hit me with some knowledge there? Please. I'll attempt to refrain from commenting on the tone that could be garnered by your use of wording and structure throughout your retort. To do so would make assumptions regarding your personality, and could be considered quite curt and rude. I don't know you, and I've no wish to offend you. Not genuinely.

 

5. As you wish - You seem to be taking the whole thing a bit off-hand...to the point where, as a stranger who's never met or conversed with me in person, you've started to come across slightly too personal and somewhat over defensive from the safety of your internet connection for my liking "your highness" - I feel that I may be wasting my time. Fun as it has been

 

 

...I wonder if you'll have the same 'gamertag' online? I hope so. I'll keep an eye out for your Mr. Eurotrash, and hope you'll do the same...if I spy your in-game avatar they shall initially be regarded as hostile - and after a few one on one deathmatches maybe we'll just get along and go skydiving together. Frolicking free in the fun we're having together in a game brought to us by the evil R*

 

The last paragraph is heartfelt genuine...apart from the last sentence where I'm clearly taking the piss...

Edited February 20, 2015 by Fubarbrickdust

[MythAlex]

 

 

I am in no way trying to squash your right to an opinion, but on the same note that was hardly constructive...

 

Cause praising a corporation that's been screwing us for more than a decade is very constructive.

 

I can only hazard a guess that you're a member of a GTA forum because you enjoy playing GTA games, and are on track to having fun playing it on PC - why the hate for the producers of the game?

 

I don't hate the producers, and I don't blame them for the issue at hand, they only do as they're told. I hate the management, hence why I always say "Rockstar" and not "Sam Houser" or whatever. I also hate the marketing department but that's another story...

 

Fair enough, they're a corporate behemoth but so what? There's a reason they're the gaming industry powerhouse that they are - because they make some of the best games in the world.

 

Pretty naive way to look at it. Activision is an industry leader as well.

 

FYI I don't hate Rockstar because they are a corporation... well, not any more than I hate every other corporation. I hate them because they treat us like inferior customers, and while I respect the irony in that, it's still some old bulls**t.

 

if Rockstar did truly, deeply 'hate' PC gamers - They wouldn't be bringing GTA V to PC at all, nor would they have brought any of the other games in the franchise, or MP3, or anything...if you really 'hate' someone or a community...you go on the principal. Money be damned...especially if you have as much money as Rockstar!

 

Again, pretty naive point of view. If they wouldn't bring GTA to PC they wouldn't be making money off it, they'd leave a major sector of the market unexploited. What you're implying is that they're doing us a favor, well I have news for you: they are not, they're selling a product and we buy it. And while most of us fulfill our end of the agreement (paying the asking price) Rockstar have yet to fulfill their end on any of the PC games they've released post GTA II (delivering a quality product). On top of that, we still have to pay full price for games despite the significant delay between the initial launch and the PC release.

 

I think the whole hating on R*, R* hates PC gamers thing is getting a little old.

 

Well tough sh*t. I'm not going to turn into a corporate drone just because your highness thinks my consumer rights are getting old.

 

1. I'm not praising R* because they're screwing us over - I praise them because they mint good games. And please do explain how they are genuinely 'screwing us over'...last time I looked we weren't a captive audience with a metaphorical gun to our heads.

 

2. Wow, a lot of use of the word 'hate' for two sentences - Ok, so you don't hate the devs, just the rest of R*, fair enough - but surely you understand that the two go hand in hand?...the only way that the company is able to supply/employ the resources, talent and manpower that goes into producing a GTA game of the size, scope and quality that we've become accustomed to - is because they have the financial resources to do so. By turning in a profit on the product they sell and increasing the size of their business, etc.

 

Also, you are aware that Sam Houser is the president of Rockstar Games as well as one of the devs? The man at the top - and as such most likely has a very major role in the the decision making, management and marketing of his company and its products? Clearly not, otherwise you wouldn't be tripping yourself up like that.

 

Don't get me wrong - the thought of huge corporate 'fat cats' bathing in and feeding off the misery of honest-bob-joe-public makes me shudder just like the rest of us. But the simple fact is that R* produce a 'luxury' consumer product. They're not a bank. Not the government. Not an energy supplying corporation. My point is, as before, that they have no gun to our head. We're not bound to them. And they don't 'owe' us anything. We're more than capable of making an impact on the company by how we use our wallets...and if the time comes that R* start producing a product that's sh!t...you and me both, my friend, along with a lot of others will be the ones to do so.

 

3. And here, not only do you call me naive, but you attempt to claim that you don't hate R* because they're a corporation - yet in your previous blurt you clearly express a targeted disdain for the 'corporate' elements of the company. I'm confused. Are you? Also, "inferior customers"...??? you don't need to explain, I already know what you'll say. Please refer to the above in point 2 (above). It's their product. They can, indeed, do what they wish with it. It's not a necessity for us. And there is no signed contract, binding promise or handshake sealed with a bit of spit for them to break. Btw, i was quite disappointed in the delays also. And for what ever reason/polishing the game/marketing stratagy/whatever...I didn't get my knickers in a twist over it. I don't have an over-inflated sense of entitlement when it comes to gaming. Life's too short. I've got other things to keep me docile.

 

4. Again, starting off by calling me naive. And then you attempt to explain to me how a consumer/supplier business model works!! - which given the views and comments you've expressed thus far comes across as somewhat patronising...and more - What? Are you trying to hit me with some knowledge there? Please. I'll attempt to refrain from commenting on the tone that could be garnered by your use of wording and structure throughout your retort. To do so would make assumptions regarding your personality, and could be considered quite curt and rude. I don't know you, and I've no wish to offend you. Not genuinely.

 

5. As you wish - You seem to be taking the whole thing a bit off-hand...to the point where, as a stranger who's never met or conversed with me in person, you've started to come across slightly too personal and somewhat over defensive from the safety of your internet connection for my liking "your highness" - I feel that I may be wasting my time. Fun as it has been

 

 

...I wonder if you'll have the same 'gamertag' online? I hope so. I'll keep an eye out for your Mr. Eurotrash, and hope you'll do the same...if I spy your in-game avatar they shall initially be regarded as hostile - and after a few one on one deathmatches maybe we'll just get along and go skydiving together. Frolicking free in the fun we're having together in a game brought to us by the evil R*

 

The last paragraph is heartfelt genuine...apart from the last sentence where I'm clearly taking the piss...

 

Mate, let me give you an advice: Don't bother with that trash user. As you saw, he's posting only crap stuff. Nothing useful from him. Also, he seems to troll sometimes. Also, he is stubborn and even when other users show him proof of something, he denies it. A thing that you should had noticed: His name contains "trash", so obviously he made this account for trash talking, flame wars and trolling. For your own safety, ignore him.

Edited February 20, 2015 by MythAlex

[Fubarbrickdust]

Mate, let me give you an advice: Don't bother with that trash user. As you saw, he's posting only crap stuff. Nothing useful from him. Also, he seems to troll sometimes. Also, he is stubborn and even when other users show him proof of something, he denies it. A thing that you should had noticed: His name contains "trash", so obviously he made this account for trash talking, flame wars and trolling. For your own safety, ignore him.

 

 

Fair enough, dude...taken on board. Thanks for the heads up btw.

 

I'm quite a recent member here. Not that many posts under my belt. That was my very 1st 'head to head' so to speak, it was an inevitability at some point - it's fine. If anything it was effortlessly enjoyable to reply...I hope that doesn't make me some sort of complicit troll 'enabler' - that would be almost as bad!

 

My apologies to Sikee Atric, btw - didn't mean for your topic to be derailed so early in it's life...my bad.

 

 

On that note and OT...

 

I take back what I said about not really caring if GTA:Online coming to PC will in some way re-invigorate it's console counterpart...I hope it does actually - because I'd like to think that if the player base across all platforms remains strong and full of returning and new players - then R* would see that and (hopefully) continue to develop new content for online for a longer period of time, if we were really optimistic, maybe the odd injection right up to before the next title release. If it'll get developed for console...it'll find it's way onto the PC platform. And I kinda feel that once PC goes live all the 'online content' updates from then on will roll out at the same time (or very close together) for all platforms, there'd be no genuine reason [in that I mean financial] for it not to be the case...other than cross-platform technicalities maybe, but again I could only envisage that resulting in a short stagger.

 

So yeah, I hope it does have a positive effect on the health of GTA:Online for the consoles, and in turn the PC...or maybe they'll see how much it rocks on PC and jump over! - Then we're really screwed! (joke - glance the sig, I've clearly been dabbling on the other side)

Edited February 20, 2015 by Fubarbrickdust

[Kaito Katsumi]

I actually feel that hating on rockstar is like hating the food industries for not giving us magical pony candies that gives us wings.

[Eurotrash]

1. I'm not praising R* because they're screwing us over - I praise them because they mint good games. And please do explain how they are genuinely 'screwing us over'...last time I looked we weren't a captive audience with a metaphorical gun to our heads. It's a buyers market, fella. We're consumers - If you don't like it, or feel that it's not worth what they're asking - don't buy it.

 

Don't worry, I won't. As for how they're screwing us over:

 

-Always releasing the PC versions of their games long after the console release. Recently they've set a new personal best: 1 year and 6 months

-When they finally do release them, they are horrendously poorly optimized, the controls are terrible and they come packed with consumer rights violating DRM. From now on they'll also probably use Rockstar Games Social Club, which is essentially an upgrade from Games For Windows Live in the sense that it's worse in every way

-Taking all of the above in consideration, they still charge launch price for their games (60 Euros) and offer no exclusive content or any form of compensation for the wait. Hell on PC they don't even offer some decent pre-order bonuses.

-Allowing returning players to import their progress from the console versions, overpowering them against people who've been waiting for the PC version.

-But not only that, recently they've taken to actually rewarding console players for not having to wait a year and a half for the game with exclusive content, adding insult to injury and essentially punishing us for not owning a console.

-Continue? Cause I could.

 

2. Wow, a lot of use of the word 'hate' for two sentences - Ok, so you don't hate the devs, just the rest of R*, fair enough - but surely you understand that the two go hand in hand?...the only way that the company is able to supply/employ the resources, talent and manpower that goes into producing a GTA game of the size, scope and quality that we've become accustomed to - is because they have the financial resources to do so. By turning in a profit on the product they sell and increasing the size of their business, etc.

 

Also, you are aware that Sam Houser is the president of Rockstar Games as well as one of the devs? The man at the top - and as such most likely has a very major role in the the decision making, management and marketing of his company and its products? Clearly not, otherwise you wouldn't be tripping yourself up like that.

 

Fine! Then I hate all of Rockstar. Happy? Christ, now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, not even defending them anymore.

 

Don't get me wrong - the thought of huge corporate 'fat cats' bathing in and feeding off the misery of honest-bob-joe-public makes me shudder just like the rest of us. But the simple fact is that R* produce a 'luxury' consumer product. They're not a bank. Not the government. Not an energy supplying corporation. My point is, as before, that they have no gun to our head. We're not bound to them. And they don't 'owe' us anything. We're more than capable of making an impact on the company and our own sense of 'fair trade' by how we use our wallets...and if the time comes that R* start producing a product that's sh!t...you and me both, my friend, along with a lot of others will be the ones to do so.

 

I think what you mean to say i's you're bound to them. If you strongly believe you're a mindless drone with no say in the matter that's your problem.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're not correct. I think you are a mindless drone.

 

3. And here, not only do you call me naive, but you attempt to claim that you don't hate R* because they're a corporation - yet in your previous blurt you clearly express a targeted disdain for the 'corporate' elements of the company.

 

I hate all corporations, as should every sane consumer. But with most corporations it's a love and hate kind of relationship, with Rockstar is just pure hate, and it's mutual.

 

And when I called you naive I was honestly just trying to avoid calling you an idiot.

 

I'm confused.

 

Finally, something we can agree on.

 

Fubarbrickdust

Also, "inferior customers"...??? you don't need to explain, I already know what you'll say. Please refer to the above in point 2 (above). It's their product. They can, indeed, do what they wish with it. It's not a necessity for us. And there is no signed contract, binding promise or handshake sealed with a bit of spit for them to break. Btw, i was quite disappointed in the delays also. And for what ever reason/polishing the game/marketing stratagy/whatever...I didn't get my knickers in a twist over it. I don't have an over-inflated sense of entitlement when it comes to gaming. Life's too short. I've got other things to keep me docile.

 

No you get your knickers in a twist over people who don't like Rockstar. As do all fanboys.

 

If you don't care about your consumer rights I can't do anything to change that, but don't tell me I'm being absurd because I do.

4. Again, starting off by calling me naive. And then you attempt to explain to me how a consumer/supplier business model works!! - which given the views and comments you've expressed thus far comes across as somewhat patronising...and more - What? Are you trying to hit me with some knowledge there? Please. I'll attempt to refrain from commenting on the tone that could be garnered by your use of wording and structure throughout your retort. To do so would make assumptions regarding your personality, and could be considered quite curt and rude. I don't know you, and I've no wish to offend you. Not genuinely.

 

Could've fooled me.

 

You're the one who started this conversation. And don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about that, I love a good argument. But so far all you've been doing is personal criticism and telling me how wrong it is of me to hate a corporation that I have genuine reasons to hate. You've yet to explain WHY it's wrong of me to hate Rockstar, apart from "it's not worth it" (which no offense, you don't get to decide for me) and "they meek gud gaems!" (which is a subjective matter and highly irrelevant since I'm dissing the corporation, and not the artists).

 

Did you ever think that maybe the reason I seem to be patronizing you is because you do a sh*tty job at proving you're not just a mindless consumer?

 

5. As you wish - You seem to be taking the whole thing a bit off-hand...to the point where, as a stranger who's never met or conversed with me in person, you've started to come across slightly too personal and somewhat over defensive from the safety of your internet connection for my liking "your highness" - I feel that I may be wasting my time. Fun as it has been

 

Probably because you have. All you've been doing is precisely what you accuse me of, so yeah.

 

But you know what they say, time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.

 

...I wonder if you'll have the same 'gamertag' online? I hope so. I'll keep an eye out for your Mr. Eurotrash, and hope you'll do the same...if I spy your in-game avatar they shall initially be regarded as hostile - and after a few one on one deathmatches maybe we'll just get along and go skydiving together. Frolicking free in the fun we're having together in a game brought to us by the evil R*

 

The last paragraph is heartfelt genuine...apart from the last sentence where I'm clearly taking the piss...

 

 

I'm not going to be Online. Even if I do buy GTA V, which is highly unlikely. Tough luck champ.

 

I actually feel that hating on rockstar is like hating the food industries for not giving us magical pony candies that gives us wings.

 

And diabetes.

Edited February 20, 2015 by Eurotrash

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

SNIP....

 

I'm not going to be Online. Even if I do buy GTA V, which is highly unlikely. Tough luck champ.

You'll notice I kept that one point as I only have two words to describe it.... Thank Christ!

 

As for the rest of your twaddle? Can you please stop pouring out useless garbage, none of which has any reference to the original question and just seems to be hatred at R* and everyone who questions you?

 

If it was relevant I wouldn't mind, but here, it is just drivel! At least Fubar had the decency to apologise for the way he got railroaded by your moaning, but you have no excuse to carry it on and go even more off-topic!

 

Okay, please return to subject everyone.

Edited February 20, 2015 by Sikee Atric

[Kampret]

As a person who regularly plays GTA Online on PS3, I must say, every DLC after High Life Update is basically sh*t. And basically every update made the game worse. Much more FPS drops on PS3, and the graphics aren't as good as it used to back when the game launches on last-gen.

[TJGM]

Much more FPS drops on PS3, and the graphics aren't as good as it used to back when the game launches on last-gen.

Talk about bullsh*t..

[Dock]

 

Much more FPS drops on PS3, and the graphics aren't as good as it used to back when the game launches on last-gen.

Talk about bullsh*t..

 

 

Uh, no, that is true (to some extent). With every feature they've added and bug fixed, they've opened up or created new bugs elsewhere. Lots of unintended and genuinely frustrating glitches have occurred. Example: equipping the festive holiday masks seemed to completely bug the Interactive Menu, a core part of GTA:O. Traffic spawns in SP (and Online) have gotten worse too, now it's more prominent to see literally just 2 cars repeating for quite a while (note, I'm talking about last gen).

 

FPS drops have certainly increased to some extent as well, although that is still subjective as to how much stuff is going on at the same time on your screen, so yeah. Graphics, I'm not too sure. It's a fact that GTA:O is graphically dumbed down from SP though.

 

Anyway, on topic (and copied from literally the 2nd post ITT that no one noticed ):

 

"

Heists will stay relevant for what, a few months at most. I'm not sure whether they'll release any online specific DLCs after that though, perhaps for this year they might, then they'll slowly back off and I guess announce their next title, a new IP or some other R* title.

Single Player DLC is supposedly coming, who knows when. It's just as much a mystery as heists is.

You can't blame console players (including myself) for slowly leaving GTA:O, lack of new content really does get to you, because outside of that all we have are the same old jobs and some community created gems. Of course, when playing with crew members, friends, etc. you can organize some fun stuff but EVENTUALLY you're going to feel burned out.

Where do PC players play a part here, the future of GTA:O? Well, I don't see our arrival re-invigorating Online for consoles. DLCs are going to though, yes, people are crying for new things for this game they love (hope fully). We'll just be another player base.

I sincerely hope some good mods the community makes end up as updates (tuned and changed where necessary), example: fictional vehicles designed by the community, like a Toyota Supra knock off, weapons & custom attachments,or some features like crouching (lol, not in game for some reason!), etc.

In all honesty, GTA V/O really is a mess. Server issues (yes, still persistent!) galore. So much potential, but bogged down some questionable design choices, horrible PR from R*, and of course DELAYS. I still love this game, as I do R*, but "they-be-slipping" IMHO. I really wished they would have more community matches, like in IV/EFLC, instead of limiting themselves to just guest appearances.

Anyway, I hope R* get's their stuff together with the release of heists and V PC."

[Kampret]

 

Much more FPS drops on PS3, and the graphics aren't as good as it used to back when the game launches on last-gen.

Talk about bullsh*t..

 

You can easily tell that lighting is pared back on patched V. Also, texture loading is slower than on launch, unpatched 1.00 game.

[wapster]

What I hope happens, if R* actually gives in and lets modding become a big part of the PC version, is that they'll have a monthly submissions area where they can view some of the most top-rated user made stuff, for redevelopment and implementation in an update for all platforms, much like TF2 and Workshop items. This would keep things fresh and produce a stream of revenue for quite some time.

[Dock]

What I hope happens, if R* actually gives in and lets modding become a big part of the PC version, is that they'll have a monthly submissions area where they can view some of the most top-rated user made stuff, for redevelopment and implementation in an update for all platforms, much like TF2 and Workshop items. This would keep things fresh and produce a stream of revenue for quite some time.

 

This will make PC more relevant for everyone! I hope this happens too, at least to some extent.

[Crystal3lf]

 

 

Rockstar have yet to fulfill their end on any of the PC games they've released post GTA II (delivering a quality product).

 

Forget GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, GTA IV, EFLC, and Red Dead Redemption. Yeah, Rockstar haven't made any quality products. Why don't you leave the other GTA boards and go post by yourself in the GTA 2 section. Here you go, I'll make it easy for you, just click this link and don't come back. http://gtaforums.com/forum/72-gta-2/

[wapster]

 

Rockstar have yet to fulfill their end on any of the PC games they've released post GTA II (delivering a quality product).

 

 

Forget GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, GTA IV, EFLC, and Red Dead Redemption. Yeah, Rockstar haven't made any quality products. Why don't you leave the other GTA boards and go post by yourself in the GTA 2 section. Here you go, I'll make it easy for you, just click this link and don't come back. http://gtaforums.com/forum/72-gta-2/

 

 

I think you took it the wrong way: what he meant was the R* haven't really put a huge amount of effort into their PC releases since the older GTA titles. Issues such as inefficient optimization and spawning systems that don't really work on FPS higher than 30, stuff like that.

[Crystal3lf]

 

 

Rockstar have yet to fulfill their end on any of the PC games they've released post GTA II (delivering a quality product).

 

 

Forget GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, GTA IV, EFLC, and Red Dead Redemption. Yeah, Rockstar haven't made any quality products. Why don't you leave the other GTA boards and go post by yourself in the GTA 2 section. Here you go, I'll make it easy for you, just click this link and don't come back. http://gtaforums.com/forum/72-gta-2/

 

I think you took it the wrong way: what he meant was the R* haven't really put a huge amount of effort into their PC releases since the older GTA titles. Issues such as inefficient optimization and spawning systems that don't really work on FPS higher than 30, stuff like that.

 

So aside from the first few months when GTA IV came out what other Rockstar games have had issues? If you bring up 10+ year old games then they don't count. Also don't forget Max Payne 3.

[wapster]

 

 

 

Rockstar have yet to fulfill their end on any of the PC games they've released post GTA II (delivering a quality product).

 

 

Forget GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, GTA IV, EFLC, and Red Dead Redemption. Yeah, Rockstar haven't made any quality products. Why don't you leave the other GTA boards and go post by yourself in the GTA 2 section. Here you go, I'll make it easy for you, just click this link and don't come back. http://gtaforums.com/forum/72-gta-2/

 

I think you took it the wrong way: what he meant was the R* haven't really put a huge amount of effort into their PC releases since the older GTA titles. Issues such as inefficient optimization and spawning systems that don't really work on FPS higher than 30, stuff like that.

 

So aside from the first few months when GTA IV came out what other Rockstar games have had issues? If you bring up 10+ year old games then they don't count. Also don't forget Max Payne 3.

 

 

Well, quite a few games (aside from Max Payne, which gives a good impression on how GTA V will perform) had a few things that worked well on consoles, but fell apart slightly on PC. Vice city and San Andreas for example had issues - because its traffic and pedestrian spawning systems were designed to refresh at 25-30 fps, on any fps higher than that it went crazy, and the audio distorted all the time, making a frame limiter necessary (not ideal on PC gaming).

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

 

Well, quite a few games (aside from Max Payne, which gives a good impression on how GTA V will perform) had a few things that worked well on consoles, but fell apart slightly on PC. Vice city and San Andreas for example had issues - because its traffic and pedestrian spawning systems were designed to refresh at 25-30 fps, on any fps higher than that it went crazy, and the audio distorted all the time, making a frame limiter necessary (not ideal on PC gaming).

 

 

Times (and tech) have evolved since that point....

 

It's only really in the last five or so years that gaming beyond 30 fps is really starting to become the normality for PC. Before that 30 was fine and developers just stuck at it due to coding requirements and porting issues. This is what caused all the 30 fps+ issues that we remember today as modern systems chew out these older titles and produce the problems we see today.

 

In effect, the infancy of 30 fps has left it's mark and it'll probably require another 5 years before those issues fade into memory. It wasn't just R* that were guilty of the issues either, they were problems across the entire developer community.

 

The reason we live with it today is because, Last-Gen GTA V is a remnant of that age. It is interesting to see how our PC version fits into the puzzle and how mods will adapt to fit those older platforms.