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NikoLibertyCity

The 100% Checklist is Ridiculous

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NikoLibertyCity

Perhaps it's just me, but I'm not a fan of a game having set "standards" for completing a mission, especially when optional, it's like you don't have to do those set things but it's just there mocking you until you do, plus there's an achievement at stake.

 

And I have been willing to put my differences aside and just perform these contrived tasks for the sake of completetion, but MAN are some of these standards unfair! Take the mission, Corner Kids for instance:

 

I was able to get 20 Headshots, finish with 0% Damage (I regained my health at Burger Shot, I won't lie), and get 77% Accuracy. But how I am expected to wrap everything up in 7 minutes and 50 seconds when it takes at least 3 minutes to get there even at top speed and averting traffic (in a mandated SUV so it's not like the speed can be compromised), a high number of ememies spawned that stops you from moving forward too soon, and are only able to travel back in a minivan, once again traveling all the way from East Hook to Northwood? It's taken over 8 minutes at best.

 

I barely got through Chinese Takeout with the 100% Headshots and 70% Accuracy. Oh, how many times I had to keep going through the same drive, and the same conversation to finally get everything. AND there was a time trial on that too, it's like, you think that's enough!?

 

I've seen GTA Series Videos do it, but those guys are freaks of nature. I'm sorry to say, I'm just your run of the mill player and these checklists are just another unncessary thing to make you feel inadequate and I hate stuff like that in general.

 

Performing extra hard-to-do things or little easter egg surprises are what Achievements/Trophies were made for. Rockstar doesn't need to put all this unwanted responsibility on top of it. Really takes the fun out of the game in my opinion.

 

GTA V's mission checklist are a whole nother world of unfair, but that's a discussion that can be had over at the GTA V section.

 

What do you guys think?

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Chad Warden

I don't see the problem with them. It's not as if you're forced to do it. These things are to be expected when doing a full playthrough for a GTA game.

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NikoLibertyCity

I don't see the problem with them. It's not as if you're forced to do it. These things are to be expected when doing a full playthrough for a GTA game.

 

This is because you're probably a normal, well-adjusted person, my friend. ;) But I like to clean my plate when doing practically anything.

 

Lemme put it this way, I was able to do all the little difficult things to get all of the GTA IV achievements. It took me a while, but I got there. I wish they'd go back to having that kind of thing as an extra thing to do, as those things were difficult but doable, where as checklist type stuff defies the laws of time and space.

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donnits

Absolutely agree with you. Useless, is what they are. It was hidden away in Red Dead Redemption, but it still bothered me knowing i may/may not have gotten that gold medal. New-gen V is the same way, they try hiding it through the X button, but that just makes me want to see my score more. I never liked it to begin with in TBoGT. As you said, it's like the game is subtly mocking you. The game's challenge should come from the gameplay, not through some annoying completionist meta-game. If you want to 100% the entire game, that's fine. There isn't a reason to "100%" the story missions themselves. Really takes away from the enjoyment. First time playing around makes you feel like a fool, too, since there is no way to know your objectives. If i want to replay the game, i will. I don't want to replay just to get high scores. I hope they ditch the mechanic, it just creates frustration. I think it should be moved to non-story side jobs, there is could work a lot better. Anyway, that's just how i feel about this matter.

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Chad Warden

 

I don't see the problem with them. It's not as if you're forced to do it. These things are to be expected when doing a full playthrough for a GTA game.

 

This is because you're probably a normal, well-adjusted person, my friend. ;) But I like to clean my plate when doing practically anything.

 

Lemme put it this way, I was able to do all the little difficult things to get all of the GTA IV achievements. It took me a while, but I got there. I wish they'd go back to having that kind of thing as an extra thing to do, as those things were difficult but doable, where as checklist type stuff defies the laws of time and space.

 

I am no casual. I have completed all of them to 100% and collected special vehicles in TBOGT. Plenty of times I had to do something over again during TBOGT, Corner Kids is one of the worst IMO - but, I'm well adjusted to failure...doing checkpoint charlie on VC on my phone was hell.

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NikoLibertyCity

 

 

I don't see the problem with them. It's not as if you're forced to do it. These things are to be expected when doing a full playthrough for a GTA game.

 

This is because you're probably a normal, well-adjusted person, my friend. ;) But I like to clean my plate when doing practically anything.

 

Lemme put it this way, I was able to do all the little difficult things to get all of the GTA IV achievements. It took me a while, but I got there. I wish they'd go back to having that kind of thing as an extra thing to do, as those things were difficult but doable, where as checklist type stuff defies the laws of time and space.

 

I am no casual. I have completed all of them to 100% and collected special vehicles in TBOGT. Plenty of times I had to do something over again during TBOGT, Corner Kids is one of the worst IMO - but, I'm well adjusted to failure...doing checkpoint charlie on VC on my phone was hell.

 

 

I meant no disrespect, I just meant that it may not have bothered you to have these unchecked. XP

 

Since you did get through Corner Kids, I just need to ask you this: Was there something you did that got it done in time or was it all luck? Dumb luck is basically my entire experience with GTA time trials. >_<

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Chad Warden

Oh complete dumb luck. Took the safest route and not much traffic spawned so I just floored it.

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American Viking

I wholeheartedly agree with the ridiculousness of this. As I've stated before, GTA has always been a game about freedom, but these new "requirements" are basically sitting there mocking us, making us feel like we suck at the damn game just because we don't get 20 headshots and this or that. With GTA V on the last gen consoles, the screen was there as a constant reminder of our perceived failures. GTA V next gen managed to leave it up to us whether or not we want to see it...and it bugs the hell out of me NOT checking it. Why o why did Rockstar do this to us. I think on the Ballad of Gay Tony, the checklist is required for 100% but it's not on GTA V. It sucks any way you look at it. If I were you, I'd play the game how YOU want and do everything but try for their perceived perfect score. By the way, I think watching cutscenes cuts into the actual mission time which is beyond stupid. Try skipping them if you really want that time requirement fulfilled.

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NikoLibertyCity

By the way, I think watching cutscenes cuts into the actual mission time which is beyond stupid. Try skipping them if you really want that time requirement fulfilled.

 

Oh, I know. I was saving that bit for for GTA V rant but yeah, wow is that counterprogressive. I have been skipping all the cutscenes and I STILL ain't making it, that's the real messed up part. T^T

 

If there wasn't gamerscore to be earned from this, I may have followed your advice, but you know how it is. T^T x5

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American Viking

 

By the way, I think watching cutscenes cuts into the actual mission time which is beyond stupid. Try skipping them if you really want that time requirement fulfilled.

 

Oh, I know. I was saving that bit for for GTA V rant but yeah, wow is that counterprogressive. I have been skipping all the cutscenes and I STILL ain't making it, that's the real messed up part. T^T

 

If there wasn't gamerscore to be earned from this, I may have followed your advice, but you know how it is. T^T x5

 

Alright, well good luck. Keep trying and you'll get it.

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NikoLibertyCity

 

 

By the way, I think watching cutscenes cuts into the actual mission time which is beyond stupid. Try skipping them if you really want that time requirement fulfilled.

 

Oh, I know. I was saving that bit for for GTA V rant but yeah, wow is that counterprogressive. I have been skipping all the cutscenes and I STILL ain't making it, that's the real messed up part. T^T

 

If there wasn't gamerscore to be earned from this, I may have followed your advice, but you know how it is. T^T x5

 

Alright, well good luck. Keep trying and you'll get it.

 

 

Thanks for leaving your thoughts, I appreciate it. ^_^

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Chad Warden

This thread is friendly as f*ck can somebody insult somebody already?

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NikoLibertyCity

This thread is friendly as f*ck can somebody insult somebody already?

 

I'm still waiting for the first negative reply to the subject. Something like:

 

"Oh my god, just because you suck at GTA doesn't mean you have to hate on GTA V's checklist! It's so much better! GTA IV sucked because it was too easy! I hope Trevor is in GTA VI and he anally rapes someone."

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Lethal Vaccine

No trophies, no medals, no percents, no nothing in the 3D Era. So what do I do in the HD Era? Pretend it doesn't even exist. It's all sh*t, anyways...

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Misunderstood

R* should have thought this through more. At least in games like Assassin's Creed, your checklist is shown as you play the mission. In TBOGT and V, I have to play through each mission at least twice to get 100% on them all. It's stupid, just let us few the objectives as we play and they can fix that problem. Also, cutscenes shouldn't count on the timer. That's f*cking stupid.

 

And last but not least, make the objectives fair.

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gunziness

The 100% in missions doesnt count (and thank god it doesnt) for the game 100% completion in TBOGT, I finished it 100% and most, if not all missions are under 60%.

 

Never liked the feature TBH, I would have prefered it more if they hide the information in the 'stats' menu instead. That way I dont even have to see those ridiculous checklists unless I want to.

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Lethal Vaccine

Same, in TBoGT, I finished most with 60-70%. Didn't care to get 100% on all, that was all first go. Whatever I got, that's it. I might have like a 25% on one, as well. But also a 100% on one, and a couple 80-90%'s. But the average was always like 60-70%...

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PhillBellic

That 'feature' is bullsh*t to start off with.

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Webster.

I never have completed them or even tried. They seem pointless to me and f*ck going through all of the bother just to get that Gold achievement. I would have to spend some serious time trying to get all of the missions correct. Not worth the hassle IMO

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El Dorado

Small time trials are ok, like "do that race under x minutes and xx seconds" but for the overall mission, nah... especially for me, I like to hear all the dialogue possible during car travels from point A to B.

 

For accuracy and headshots and amount of damage taken, I'm fine with it. Maybe could even help you "gaming" skills.

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Shadowfennekin

The timing is utterly ridiculous. Same with having to headshot everybody and get out within 4 minutes,,,,,,(? Whatever the Triad one was)

 

In V it was easier and at least Golding them all isn't necessary for an achievement.

 

I do hope they keep them out of VI or just make them hidden like in RDR and have nothing requiring them

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PhillBellic

The timing is utterly ridiculous. Same with having to headshot everybody and get out within 4 minutes,,,,,,(? Whatever the Triad one was)

 

In V it was easier and at least Golding them all isn't necessary for an achievement.

 

I do hope they keep them out of VI or just make them hidden like in RDR and have nothing requiring them

Chinese Takeout? Yeah I tried it a couple of times before I gave up on that stat.

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NikoLibertyCity

The timing is utterly ridiculous. Same with having to headshot everybody and get out within 4 minutes,,,,,,(? Whatever the Triad one was)

 

In V it was easier and at least Golding them all isn't necessary for an achievement.

 

I do hope they keep them out of VI or just make them hidden like in RDR and have nothing requiring them

 

Your first and third statements I love so much I want to frame them~ ^^

 

As for your thing about GTA V, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. There is an achievement for completing all of the missions in Gold, it's called Career Criminal. And I found GTA V's checklists to be even more staggering and unfair, at least as far as time trials were concerned. For one thing, your time is voided if you use a checkpoint, where in Gay Tony, it wasn't. And it took me way more tries playing the Complications mission in GTA V to handle the ridiculous timing than most of these TBoGT checklists, Sexy Time might have been the only one more frustrating so far (more on that later).

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RedIndianRobin

It's GTA. What did you expect?

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Uncle Vlad

I don´t give a flying sh*t about this 100% on missions crap. It was like a sneak peek which way they want to go with V: cheesy gimmicks to please silly kids. It´s a good thing for dumbasses with an inferiority complex, so they can mock other dumbasses on the schoolyard: "LMAO, you don´t have 100% on that mission, what a looosaaa!"

 

The dumbest thing on this is the mission time. To be within the time limit, you have to skip the cutscenes. Why on earth should I wish to skip cutscenes? That´s utter bullsh*t.

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Nihilanth1982

i'm trying to get the gold star trophy and this game is absolutely frustrating.

 

this trophy is worse than the awp imo. 100% in every mission!? GTFO.

 

i spent the past few hours doing the stupid chinese takeout mission over and over and the best i can get is 74% - i managed to do everything except getting 100% headshots.

 

seriously?! i'm playing on the ps3 and doing headshots whilst being quick and accurate is FKN IMPOSSIBLE!! and this is only the start this is only the third mission in. i tried doing it without autoaim and its even worse because you're then losing time in trying to get the aim right plus the enemy's firing at you so that leaves you prone to damage which also goes against you.

 

rockstar games can be so FKN stupid sometimes. at least make the trophies reasonable! i have got every other trophy in the gta4 series except this and the 80% one, i don't think i have the will and motivation to play each mission countless times over. i can't even do headshots on the ps3. if i was playing on pc it'd be easier to do headshots because i have a mouse and that's easier to move, but with a gamepad it's stupid impossible in being quick, accurate and right all at the same time.

 

i tried autoaim and moved the right stick up but this always just misses them when firing which doesnt do me any favours plus you need to let it down a little bit so getting a headshot is so time consuming plus you're likely to get shot at in the process too.

 

FK you, rockstar. these trophies i dont think i'm going to bother getting. and i heard it's even worse on GTA5!? i havent even started that game yet and i wanted to complete all gta4 trophies before embarking on gta5 as it's my easter break and i dont go back to work until another week.

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Nihilanth1982

after much trying i managed to figure out the headshots.

but the time they're asking to complete some games is outrageous.

spent three hours last night pulling my hair out over that stupid mission 'sexy time' i managed to do it just in time, now i have to try and do 'bang bang' my best is over 6 min and theyre asking for less than 5!?

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HoleInTheSky

It's a cheap tactic to make the game feel more in-depth than it is. It's nothing but an annoyance and makes you feel like sh*t if you haven't completed the mission the way Rockstar intended. Had they been tucked away nicely in the pause menu out of sight out of mind (e.g. RDR's medal system) and not slapped across the screen like a Nintendo game, it would've been slightly less of an issue. They're optional, but they're shoved down your throat regardless. My opinion is that mission checklists don't belong in open world games. Ever.

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Nihilanth1982

'caught with your pants down' is DEFINITELY impossible.

has anyone tried this, esp on the ps3?

 

there's NO way i can do sharpshooter AND finish in that timeframe, no fkn way, what was rockstar even thinking setting these criteria, did they even test their product before selling it, the stupid morons?

plus when i am in the tank it takes forever until the command to escape from the police comes up, i keep shooting and destroying police vehicles and it takes forever.

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GTA_fear

You guys do realize you can do these requirements separately?

And I too disliked this feature in TBoGT and was pretty annoyed and disappointed when I realized it was in V as well. Makes me feel less like I'm playing the story missions for the story and more like I'm doing it for points and high-scores. Lame.

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