Do you remember the days when tanks weren't nerfed?

[Elder Maxson]

I remembered the days when tanks didn't pay insurance.

 

 

 

 

It would've been a bad day for people who rode around in super cars.

[Nutduster]

 

^^ And how easy do you think it is to aim accurately at 500 mph? While avoiding a vast amount of near invisible posts and trees that will kill you in a heartbeat.

 

I never grief in jets or tanks but I have used both and there's no contest, the skill required to succesfully jet grief far exceeds that needed to tank grief. By a long way.

 

If someone's in a place you can't get them in a tank then you just trundle down the road a bit. You say you only need to aim if you're in a tank but clearly you also need to aim in a jet, difference being its clearly harder in a jet.

How easy is for a jet to shoot something in the sky and land now compare that to a tank that shoots something on land and air o wait you can't kill sh*t 50 feet in the air. Deemed excuse useless and meaningless.

 

Comeback when you try and shoot a plane 50 ft in the air with a tank then you have a argument which takes more skill.

 

 

Do you ever say anything that isn't pure idiocy..? The jet is obviously more effective vs. airborne targets. But most targets aren't airborne, and the griefing discussed in here is mostly vs. people on the ground, on foot or in cars. And yes, anyone who has used both knows that a jet takes more skill than a tank to rack up multiple kills - far more really. A tank does have downsides (slowness primarily), but to kill with it requires no more hand-eye coordination than a baby. Just drive to your target, point within 5 feet of him, and shoot. If you miss, you can fire again a second later without even moving. Your armor will keep you alive long enough, no matter what he hits you with, to blast at him several times at least.

 

Jets require some skill and practice to use even semi-effectively. You need look no further than the closest average jet pilot (most of them under level 100) who die 5 times in a row at Zancudo just trying to get one, then fly to the city, miss all targets for a minute, and crash into a building. You only get one pass to kill someone; if you miss it requires turning around and lining up all over again. You're going incredibly fast against targets that are barely moving relative to you (this is why the easiest jet kills are against cars on the highway going in the same direction as you). The city - where most people spend most of the time - is like an obstacle course that's trying to blow you up. And oh yeah, now there's the homing launcher. Besides all that, if your targets aren't in cars, most of the time you literally can't even see them; you have to make an educated guess where they are based on the minimap. By the time you CAN see them in your dive, it's too late to change your aim; you either guessed right (and got the kill) or guessed wrong and have to pull up. If you do try to correct, you'll usually nosedive into the road.

 

The problem with the jet is what the most skilled users do with them. In the right hands, they are a griefing wet dream: lightning fast, maneuverable, and bearing the most effective weapon (the machine guns) in the game. But in many hands they are not all that dangerous, compared to a tank, because most of the players stealing them can't fly them properly.

[BatFerYou]

@Nutduster is absolutely right. But Jets still shouldn't be in this game.

 

Nor Tanks.

 

And the French.

[Scott Stapp]

De-nerf the tank, allow the Buzzard to home in on tanks.

[SaltyGTAFMember]

 

 

^^ And how easy do you think it is to aim accurately at 500 mph? While avoiding a vast amount of near invisible posts and trees that will kill you in a heartbeat.

 

I never grief in jets or tanks but I have used both and there's no contest, the skill required to succesfully jet grief far exceeds that needed to tank grief. By a long way.

 

If someone's in a place you can't get them in a tank then you just trundle down the road a bit. You say you only need to aim if you're in a tank but clearly you also need to aim in a jet, difference being its clearly harder in a jet.

How easy is for a jet to shoot something in the sky and land now compare that to a tank that shoots something on land and air o wait you can't kill sh*t 50 feet in the air. Deemed excuse useless and meaningless.

 

Comeback when you try and shoot a plane 50 ft in the air with a tank then you have a argument which takes more skill.

 

 

Do you ever say anything that isn't pure idiocy..? The jet is obviously more effective vs. airborne targets. But most targets aren't airborne, and the griefing discussed in here is mostly vs. people on the ground, on foot or in cars. And yes, anyone who has used both knows that a jet takes more skill than a tank to rack up multiple kills - far more really. A tank does have downsides (slowness primarily), but to kill with it requires no more hand-eye coordination than a baby. Just drive to your target, point within 5 feet of him, and shoot. If you miss, you can fire again a second later without even moving. Your armor will keep you alive long enough, no matter what he hits you with, to blast at him several times at least.

 

Jets require some skill and practice to use even semi-effectively. You need look no further than the closest average jet pilot (most of them under level 100) who die 5 times in a row at Zancudo just trying to get one, then fly to the city, miss all targets for a minute, and crash into a building. You only get one pass to kill someone; if you miss it requires turning around and lining up all over again. You're going incredibly fast against targets that are barely moving relative to you (this is why the easiest jet kills are against cars on the highway going in the same direction as you). The city - where most people spend most of the time - is like an obstacle course that's trying to blow you up. And oh yeah, now there's the homing launcher. Besides all that, if your targets aren't in cars, most of the time you literally can't even see them; you have to make an educated guess where they are based on the minimap. By the time you CAN see them in your dive, it's too late to change your aim; you either guessed right (and got the kill) or guessed wrong and have to pull up. If you do try to correct, you'll usually nosedive into the road.

 

The problem with the jet is what the most skilled users do with them. In the right hands, they are a griefing wet dream: lightning fast, maneuverable, and bearing the most effective weapon (the machine guns) in the game. But in many hands they are not all that dangerous, compared to a tank, because most of the players stealing them can't fly them properly.

 

Ok let me write a wall of text that makes more sense then this bullsh*t moronic ideals.

 

Flying has no obstacles and it's just the flick of movement in mid air. Flying a jet is baby walk and all you need to do is adjust the analog stick left or right again there is nothing in the air that stops you from crashing unless you hit a building. It's plain stupid that a slow moving tank can take out anything that moves at a certain speed unless the driver is a plain idiot. No one in there right minds would think to shoot rpgs at a tank on the ground, you go ahead and do that I'll send you flowers to your coffin. Anyone with a brain can you rooftops as cover and what do you know there are over hundreds of available objects to get the player on top of them.

 

Have you ever heard of gorilla warfare, no you have not because you wouldn't be saying this useless argument. There are multiple weapons are someone disposal to get rid of one, here let me help you out. Place stickies on the path of a tank denote them as soon as it gets close, go to the nearest rooftop to use the rpg/grenade launcher to finish off the tank. Its pure simple even a monkey can pull it off, or kamikaze the tank with a street car. Normally you can multiple contacts to ensure player timed advantages like off the radar under Lester or merry weather airstrike.

 

Dont diverge the point of overall easiness of the two military vehicles, which the jet is more noob friendly. Now I'll dumb it down to you so I'll will give you examples to comprehend ok?Good let's start

If a tank is on a rampage in the city there are over hundreds of convenient rooftops, over 20 people in the lobby that makes thousand of possibles to take one out and I'm not even counting the multiple weapons that can be used to take it out. That means the tank was already vulnerable to all the possibilities of being destroyed and it took the drive to outsmart the other players which takes coordination as a skill. Now the jet only have 2 possible weapons a sniper and a slow homing launcher not counting the minigun because you will die before it does anything.The jet as the open sky which limits most terrain to counteract one, the buildings actually benefits them, fast,no cool down on the most op weapon, the longest range rapid fire weapon in the game. Most will say the tank as a cannon but a cannon that has a cooldown, limited speeds, limited aoe, and cars causing more obstacles for it and the only thing it had was armor but it was nerfed.

 

Overall it took more skills for the tank because of all the disadvantages and limitations of use. It's not the user fault but the morons who didn't take advantage of all the structures in los santos.

Plus the tank had to deal with cops.

 

Take my wall of text

 

TL; dr: Too bad you read this whole point and stop the butthurt.

Edited February 18, 2015 by DumbForum

[Nacho Z]

"Have you ever heard of gorilla warfare, no you have not"

 

That's true.

 

"even a monkey can pull it off"

 

So is that, I've seen them at it with my own eyes. Cheeky monkeys.

[Ayylien]

Ok let me write a wall of text that makes more sense then this bullsh*t moronic ideals.

Flying has no obstacles and it's just the flick of movement in mid air. Flying a jet is baby walk and all you need to do is adjust the analog stick left or right again there is nothing in the air that stops you from crashing unless you hit a building. It's plain stupid that a slow moving tank can take out anything that moves at a certain speed unless the driver is a plain idiot. No one in there right minds would think to shoot rpgs at a tank on the ground, you go ahead and do that I'll send you flowers to your coffin. Anyone with a brain can you rooftops as cover and what do you know there are over hundreds of available objects to get the player on top of them. Have you ever heard of gorilla warfare, no you have not because you wouldn't be saying this useless argument. There are multiple weapons are someone disposal to get rid of one, here let me help you out. Place stickies on the path of a tank denote them as soon as it gets close, go to the nearest rooftop to use the rpg/grenade launcher to finish off the tank. Its pure simple even a monkey can pull it off, or kamikaze the tank with a street car. Normally you can multiple contacts to ensure player timed advantages like off the radar under Lester or merry weather airstrike.

 

Dont diverge the point of overall easiness of the two military vehicles, which the jet is more noob friendly. Now I'll dumb it down to you so I'll will give you examples to comprehend ok?Good let's start

If a tank is on a rampage in the city there are over hundreds of convenient rooftops, over 20 people in the lobby that makes thousand of possibles to take one out and I'm not even counting the multiple weapons that can be used to take it out. That means the tank was already vulnerable to all the possibilities of being destroyed and it took the drive to outsmart the other players which takes coordination as a skill. Now the jet only have 2 possible weapons a sniper and a slow homing launcher not counting the minigun because you will die before it does anything.The jet as the open sky which limits most terrain to counteract one, the buildings actually benefits them, fast,no cool down on the most op weapon, the longest range rapid fire weapon in the game. Most will say the tank as a cannon but a cannon that has a cooldown, limited speeds, limited aoe, and cars causing more obstacles for it and the only thing it had was armor but it was nerfed.

 

Overall it took more skills for the tank because of all the disadvantages and limitations of use. It's not the user fault but the morons who didn't take advantage of all the structures in los santos.

Plus the tank had to deal with cops.

 

Take my wall of text

 

 

TL; dr: Too bad you read this whole point and stop the butthurt.

 

I've used both and the tank is baby mode easy, police are/were irrelevant as their pistols are useless, and it would take 1000 cars to actually damage the damn thing. If you found tanks harder before the nerf, then you must really suck.

[.Vooodu.]

Tanks may have been nerfed. But it was balanced. A tank in real life can barely take a single RPG..let alone 3. Back when it was 6... Seesh.. every squeaker and their grandmother would run to their tank and start trolling with one.

 

Tanks getting balanced is not the problem... Its the players that are not balanced. We should not be able to carry so much ammo and explosive. I don't really know we can hold so much.

 

If it was up to me id nerf the hell hell out of alot things in this game. Especially lazers. Not that i can handle myself against a Lazer.. Its just annoying to deal with on a daily basis. Once you seen one troll in a jet you've seen them all.

Edited February 18, 2015 by HulioG

[scoobsterinc]

I remember spending half and hour trying to rip someone out of their tank to use it as my own until I got bored and wedged it somewhere it couldn't escape so they couldn't call another pegasus vehicle. Other then that I glad they were nerfed as they were a bit to powerful for my liking.

 

Also people using the argument the old tank was more realistic let me point out a few flaws in that argument:

 

-It reloaded way to fast

-It's turret rotation was and still is way to fast for realism

-A tank would still take more damage from driving over cars that are exploding due to its underbelly being less armored (Not sure if it applies to the tank the Rhino is based off correct me if I'm wrong)

-Also normal tanks wouldn't allow you to snipe out the driver

Edited February 18, 2015 by scoobsterinc

[gravik]

Yup. I've only used a tank once since they nerfed it.

[wh1t31v3y]

Do you remember the days of tank sniping? Oh the memories

[RazzleLeone]

Pepperidge Farms remembers...

[SaltyGTAFMember]

Meanwhile current tank...

 

[Nutduster]

 

 

TL; dr: Too bad you read this whole point and stop the butthurt.

 

 

Actually I skipped to the end to see what idiotic gif you'd post this time. You can say whatever you want, but anyone who has played this game for more than an afternoon knows the jet is harder to use than the tank, by far. That's so damn obvious that you look like an idiot just for suggesting otherwise. And I'm a way above average pilot, for what it's worth - I went out of my way to learn to fly the jet properly, and if I wanted to I could grief the absolute sh*t out of you for an hour. Doesn't change the fact that what I have is a learned skill, as opposed to using a tank, which requires exactly two things to be effective: keep moving, and point-and-shoot. The jet gives you basically two choices: just fly around and stay alive, or go after targets and risk crashing; the people who can do both at once are still fairly rare. (And most of those people can't hit targets even when they divebomb them.)

Edited February 19, 2015 by Nutduster

[EvilFiend]

I remember spending half and hour trying to rip someone out of their tank to use it as my own until I got bored and wedged it somewhere it couldn't escape so they couldn't call another pegasus vehicle. Other then that I glad they were nerfed as they were a bit to powerful for my liking.

 

Also people using the argument the old tank was more realistic let me point out a few flaws in that argument:

 

-It reloaded way to fast

-It's turret rotation was and still is way to fast for realism

-A tank would still take more damage from driving over cars that are exploding due to its underbelly being less armored (Not sure if it applies to the tank the Rhino is based off correct me if I'm wrong)

-Also normal tanks wouldn't allow you to snipe out the driver

Actually an american tank they spent 4 year developing and testing got released and they said it was impenetrable. The first day in use (field testing) a Russian projectile went through one side of the tank and got wedged halfway through the other side. It was a bullet so maybe you could snipe out the driver of a real tank. Dont base real life over what you watch in movies and TV because those are full of sh*t.

 

Also the tank in the game is SOOOO FKN SLOW compared to real life tanks its a joke

[Tampa]

I remember those days. Rough times for low levels like myself. Rough times indeed.

That is, until the billionaire days and I got one of em.

[Nacho Z]

 

 

 

 

TL; dr: Too bad you read this whole point and stop the butthurt.

 

Actually I skipped to the end to see what idiotic gif you'd post this time. You can say whatever you want, but anyone who has played this game for more than an afternoon knows the jet is harder to use than the tank, by far. That's so damn obvious that you look like an idiot just for suggesting otherwise. And I'm a way above average pilot, for what it's worth - I went out of my way to learn to fly the jet properly, and if I wanted to I could grief the absolute sh*t out of you for an hour. Doesn't change the fact that what I have is a learned skill, as opposed to using a tank, which requires exactly two things to be effective: keep moving, and point-and-shoot. The jet gives you basically two choices: just fly around and stay alive, or go after targets and risk crashing; the people who can do both at once are still fairly rare. (And most of those people can't hit targets even when they divebomb them.)

I wouldn't bother mate, you might as well argue with a bar of soap. All the points you make are on the money however.

[SaltyGTAFMember]

I'm tired of all this bullsh*t, come see me in a lobby otherwise fk off.

 

Edited February 19, 2015 by DumbForum

[JoeFury1997]

I used to have a friend who really liked fighting against crews randomly and we would join in. Very fun. But eventually the other crews would order their tanks and we would be like "it's on" and call ours. Good times. Turning the free mode lobby into world war 3 is fun sometimes.

Edited February 19, 2015 by JoeFury1997

[Tampa]

I'm tired of all this bullsh*t, come see me in a lobby otherwise fk off.

 

C'mon now. You've got to accept he has a different opinion than you.

[SaltyGTAFMember]

 

I'm tired of all this bullsh*t, come see me in a lobby otherwise fk off.

 

C'mon now. You've got to accept he has a different opinion than you.

 

It's not that he has a different opinion it's the fact he's being a elitist and claiming everything as fact.

He has yet to prove my point and refuse others are idiotic, he need that ass waxed.

[MrcTOtheJ]

I remembered the days when tanks didn't pay insurance.

 

 

 

 

It would've been a bad day for people who rode around in super cars.

Lol yeah I was in my tank recently for the first time in forever because...well...okay I was kinda being a dick lol, anyways I was like "Oh damn holy sh*t you have to pay insurance now huh?"

 

Completely spaced that, almost made me rethink me course of action, almost. Overall I do think that was the right choice, I've noticed less tanks just because of that just as much as the over all nerfs to the tank it's self.

[MarkNuttGod]

Just remove tank icon and it should be fine

[Trashdog2000]

When you were having a huge freeroam war and have to work with enemies to take down the tank

[RazzleLeone]

 

Pepperidge Farms Remembers..

[rharri02]

Tank sniping is pretty realistic and should have been kept. Most .50 BMG rounds do some sort of damage to a tank, especially depleted uranium. Plus, a decent tank driver knew their own weak spots and was more wary. It was better that way. Now the tank is a joke. I think it should take multiple rounds from a regular rpg and grenade launcher to disable and then destroy it (5-10 rounds respectively). Two rounds from a homing launcher or sticky bomb, one to disable mobile movement and two to destroy (not simultaneous shots but successive shots). Something like this would be better balanced. Now you just breathe on it and it explodes.

[earthrocker]

I think the tank nerf was justified. Some people used them for cop rampages. Some people just liked to have a good time. But the majority of tank users chased people around, often low levels. Forced people to leave the session, or just stuff their K/D ration. Camping outside apartments. Then, when the tank finally got disabled, they go passive mode or leave.

 

And tanks still pack a wallop. The other day this chap caught me off guard, and when he realized I had no explosives he fallowed me around and killed me twice more. I went passive until he went after someone else, and then bought some big boom equipment and went after him.

 

For the few who used tanks responsibly, my condolences.

[ExtremeTorque]

Bring back tank armor but with tank sniping.

[Zoots Remuvah]

pffft.. whine whine whine, moan moan moan...

 

Tanks are still effective, you just got to have smarts..

 

I called one up this morning to deal with someone on the PS4 using the invicinibility cheat... they were too low level to have the RPG and they obviously didn't realise tanks can kill people using that cheat... *kapow* *6 (at least...)

 

got bored with that, so decided to run into the carnage around the central LSC... took out a Lazer on the way.. *kapow*

 

get to LSC and take a few randoms out before I realise my tank is spewing black smoke *soon to KAPOW*

 

Then realise some tard has got their tank out to try and take me on... more fool them... attach a few stickies to the first car I can grab, dive over to the other tank, only to find they're too occupied with cops..*wtf?!?* *kapow*

 

Ok, so suicide mission didn't kill them, so I dive over on foot and take them out with an RPG, just as they kill me... all that tank, and they only got one kill...

 

So in short, yeah, tanks can work, you just have to be smart with off-radar and remove wanted level.. and hope your session is full of tards basically...

Edited February 19, 2015 by Doktor Gott

[Giantsgiants]

I think the tank nerf was justified. Some people used them for cop rampages. Some people just liked to have a good time. But the majority of tank users chased people around, often low levels. Forced people to leave the session, or just stuff their K/D ration. Camping outside apartments. Then, when the tank finally got disabled, they go passive mode or leave.

 

And tanks still pack a wallop. The other day this chap caught me off guard, and when he realized I had no explosives he fallowed me around and killed me twice more. I went passive until he went after someone else, and then bought some big boom equipment and went after him.

 

For the few who used tanks responsibly, my condolences.

My main reason for buying a tank was to get some platinum awards for the Decorated achievement. I used the method in the video below.

 

 

 

Now with the tank nerf, I'm not sure if that's a viable method for anyone who has yet to get the Police Mocker, When Pigs Can Fly, and The Fugitive awards.