ddyoung Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 So, I was recently discovered by my university of using the schools wifi to file share, or torrent, movies. This got me thinking about how others feel about it. I, personally, feel no guilt since I usually download TV shows which aren't paid for anyway. For movies if I really want to see it, I'll go to the theaters or wait until its on Netflix. But if its an older movie or one that I wasn't planning on seeing in theaters, I download it. So what do you guys think about sites like piratebay and their services? What do you think should be the law on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I just pirate whatever I want. The only time I'll actually buy a game is if I want to play it immediately on release date, or if it's too hard to setup or find a good torrent of. Haven't gotten in trouble for it yet. Yeah, it hurts the artist, etc etc. You have all of my apathy. GN 92 and mr quick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdongs Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 It's a product, you either pay for the product through legal means or it's stealing. There's no gray area here. Spaghetti Cat, Zook, Shenmue18 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 File sharing is technically not legal, but it happens so frequently that its virtually impossible to actually enforce. Downloading free stuff then selling it (aka pirating) is much worse than file sharing since its basically stealing something to sell to someone else. My opinion on file sharing is that i dont really care if others do it. Just virus scan what you download GTA36362355 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducard Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 The main problem with file-sharing or websites like pirate bay is that people not living in third world countries think it's illegal and a crime all around the world when it's not. See, I live in India, a third world country. Piracy is legal here, no one's going to come knocking on your door even if you download 3 games over night because that's the way it is. If people weren't allowed to pirate then gaming would not even exist here. The reason people pirate is not because they are lazy but it is because they have no money. I know some might argue that if they have money to buy the system, they can buy the games but it doesn't work that way. A lot of people don't have 4K esque systems at all, mostly Core 2 Duo's or Core 2 Quad's and we don't even upgrade our systems regularly, we only upgrade it when we really feel the need too. People in third world countries only spend on things that are necessary. More than half the population here are from the middle class or lower middle class. We can't blow our money on games/music/movies because are these things life saving? Nope, they are only a form of entertainment. What we do spend our money on is education, shelter and food. These things are vital. Whenever we have to buy an apartment or house, we usually have to take a loan, and it takes years to repay the loan. Just to give you an idea. And other argument some might bring is using services such as Steam or Netflix. But the thing is Netflix isn't available in India and Steam, well other countries might find the prices on Steam cheap but for us, it isn't. $20 for San Andreas off Steam is cheap for other countries but it's still expensive for us considering that we have to pay 1,000 INR for a 10 year old game. I don't support piracy and I really would love to buy a lot of music albums, movies etc but at this time I can't. There are other things we have to spend on, if I started spending lavishly on music/movies/games, my family would be broke. I can't speak for other countries, but this is how it works in India. Man-Django, xolov, A-Wax8 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiniat Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) The only time I'll actually buy a game is if I want to play it immediately on release date Its fun you say that, because before Steam allowed to pay in different currencies i had to pirate in order to play a game after release date because it usually took a lot of time for it to get to my city. That being said, i always buy the game as soon as it becomes available in the stores even if i already pirated it. I suppose you could call that the actual grey line, people who have no other ways to access to games or media except for piracy. Even devs dont have much problem with you pirating their games if you cant get them otherwise. My favorite example is how retarded is the anime industry in Japan, they refuse to accept that anime has become a mainstream trend and that people in other countries would happily pay for it. So its very hard to buy legal anime, and its usually very VERY overpriced. As a company you cannot just complain about piracy in a case like that, when it is your fault and you should be searching for ways to expand to new demographics. Edited February 17, 2015 by reiniat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatstupidbug Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 When piracy is good: - find rare tv shows ( like a movie showed only ONCE with extra scenes or a different editing on tv) - find uncensored/uncut movies - find obscure/retro games - find the original version of something (like the hot coffee-san andreas) - find still unrelased or delayed stuffs (here in italy star wars is pushed back to early 2016... Everyone will download it on december 2015) When piracy is "acceptable" - screw back a company after being screwed (i paid 15€ to watch the wwe royal rumble, and they gave it the two main event for free the next day...i'll download the next 2-3 PPV, screw you) - try new things: i would't have wasted a dime on a stupid game about stealth infiltration in russia called metal something...but i downloaded it. Guess what? I tried it, loved it, and now i have the full price saga. - avoid annoying bugs by downloading cracked/nocd .exe (of software actually bought ) My problem is that i buy a lot of used games from gamestop, and if i have understand their policy, software houses get no money with the used market. So basically, sometimes it's just quicker and cheaper to download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoleInTheSky Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'd be a hypocrite to speak ill of it. What I do upload to share, or download, is popular material (films namely), so f*ck me if it bankrupts Hollywood. I also pirate wrestling PPVs. They're disposable content, watch once, garbage the next day. Vince McMahon doesn't deserve the money he's drowned in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass Cloud Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I don't really pirate much anymore. Sometimes I'll stream an old movie or tv show that isn't available anywhere else. Sometimes I'll stream new tv shows too. I have cable but no dvr and I don't have access to the digital but it is being paid for so I don't feel bad. I don't need to pirate music since everything is either on spotify for uploaded by the artists themselves on bandcamp or youtube or something. And I have no interest in new movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TECHN9CiAN Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I like pirating stuff. No regrets or remorse. I used to pirate every game ive ever played on my xbox360, and if i really REALLY liked it, i'd buy the real thing and keep the game unboxed as a display item on my shelf of favorite movies and games. Music, i do the same. Only artists ive paid for are tech n9ne, eminem, dmx, and phill collins (dont judge me). From a business stand point, i think pirating is terrible as it f*cks with people profits, but from the point of an ex-poor bastard and now just cheap bastard, i have nothing but love for free stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I pirate because I'm too lazy to put in my credit card details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verdant Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Majority of the time when I want to watch a movie, I'd search for it on Youtube but it'll be in awful quality or not on there at all so I usually pirate it. I used too pirate music but just like Glass Cloud said the artists upload it to sites like Spotify and Bandcamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 See, I live in India, a third world country. Piracy is legal here, no one's going to come knocking on your door even if you download 3 games over the ineternet India does have copyright laws. If they aren't enforced it doesn't mean they don't exist. And being poor doesn't justify stealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducard Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 That's the point, they aren't enforced. If it was, people wouldn't even be able to install software on their PC's. I know piracy's a bad thing but what other choice have we got? It's not like we enjoy pirating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanhunter_rfc Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 That's the point, they aren't enforced. If it was, people wouldn't even be able to install software on their PC's. I know piracy's a bad thing but what other choice have we got? It's not like we enjoy pirating. You wouldn't steal a car if you couldn't afford to buy one would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenmue18 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 That's the point, they aren't enforced. If it was, people wouldn't even be able to install software on their PC's. I know piracy's a bad thing but what other choice have we got? It's not like we enjoy pirating. Not playing the game, watching the movie or listening to the music? You don't need nor are you entitled to free entertainment that someone had to put money behind to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_zoo Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Morally wrong as its stealing. However I still do it as its too tempting. Plus it's easy to get a hold of it. Although I think two friends should be able to share a DVD or TV show without being classed as felons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducard Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) @Shenmue and ryanhunter. You both are right. Piracy is a bad thing but like I said before, Steam doesn't have an optipn for Indian Currency, nor is Netflix available in India. If the two of these were made easy to use for people in India, piracy can certainly be reduced considerably. The two of you don't live in third world countries so you won't fully understand why we pirate. Also, a question out of curiosity, does borrowing a game from a friend also count as 'stealing' or whatever? Edited February 17, 2015 by Ducard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdongs Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 No, I wouldn't say so. Borrowing from a friend is entirely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJGM Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) I try to buy all of my entertainment simply because I think pirating is messy and isn't always the perfect product. I use Netflix for movies/tv shows, Spotify for music and Steam/PSN for games. I'll practically never pirate a game, but I will pirate music if it's not on Spotify and I will pirate a tv show/movie if it's not on Netflix, but that's about it. What I will not buy though, are extremely high priced programs like 3ds max, photoshop, etc.. especially since I get very little use out of them. Edited February 17, 2015 by TJGM Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 File sharing is fine. Nothing wrong with it. But OP, you are referring to illegal file sharing which is obviously wrong. There's no two ways about it. There's no grey area. It's wrong. This isn't to say I think the record labels and distributors weren't ripping people off in the past. Although paying 10 or 15 quid for an album is OK. It's music, it's provides a lot of happiness and enjoyment. Unfortunately the prices were increasing so much and little was going to the artist. The labels has a sort of monopoly on what music gets to the listener. I believe in supporting art. When I was younger I may have been more carefree but now I feel better knowing that when I watch something on Netflix or when I buy an album that I'm supporting the artist. Having said that, I still watch YouTube and things like that. ＲＵＢＢΣＲ░Ｊ♢ＨＮＮＹ （スオッ） Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I try to buy all of my entertainment simply because I think pirating is messy and isn't always the perfect product. I use Netflix for movies/tv shows, Spotify for music and Steam/PSN for games. I can't stand pirated movies unless the quality is perfect, which is rare, I subscribe to a dvd rental service and rent my dvds and bluray, they mail them to my house because streaming in Australia sucks pretty hardcore right now. But I dunno, I'm on the fence a little bit, pirating isn't the same as stealing because you're not physically taking anything from them, there's technically no net losa. Also I think pirating gets a film a lot more exposure and word of mouth is a big thing for movies, most people go on recommendation. Then there's the debate of if they were ever going to watch the film if they had to pay for it. I doubt the people who watch 5-6 movies a week would pay for them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr quick Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I feel f*cking great illegally downloading music published by the big record companies. F*ck those guys. They killed music. TECHN9CiAN, GN 92 and t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graven Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I make c-cassette copies from vinyls. Then I go to print shop and use b/w copy machine to make the covers and color them with markers. Sharing was much cooler in 80s. S0lo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr quick Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I actually have a few bootleg vinyls, the red translucent ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN 92 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) My "pirate" life started in 2002 and never stopped. Guess what was the first game I copied and pasted the crack... III Good times. Edited February 17, 2015 by BOSS 302 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdongs Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) I try to buy all of my entertainment simply because I think pirating is messy and isn't always the perfect product. I use Netflix for movies/tv shows, Spotify for music and Steam/PSN for games. I can't stand pirated movies unless the quality is perfect, which is rare, I subscribe to a dvd rental service and rent my dvds and bluray, they mail them to my house because streaming in Australia sucks pretty hardcore right now. But I dunno, I'm on the fence a little bit, pirating isn't the same as stealing because you're not physically taking anything from them, there's technically no net losa. Also I think pirating gets a film a lot more exposure and word of mouth is a big thing for movies, most people go on recommendation. Then there's the debate of if they were ever going to watch the film if they had to pay for it. I doubt the people who watch 5-6 movies a week would pay for them all.There is a net loss though because you're not paying for the product as its intended to be paid for. Nnot to mention piracy runs up the costs for everyone else since the companies have to build in the shrink from the piracy. I'm not claiming to be high and mighty and pay for every song, I use spotify premium for my music and I use Amazon prime for my movies and TV, doing it the cheapest legal way possible. I don't think piracy a horrible crime or anything but I think it's hilarious to see people trying to justify it.. Edited February 17, 2015 by Irviding Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducard Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Spotify isn't available in my country either. This is the problem, if such cheap, wonderful services aren't launched in every country (especially in third world countries), we will never be able to reduce piracy. Although I mostly use youtube for music anyway. Edited February 17, 2015 by Ducard Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Scratch Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I feel f*cking great illegally downloading music published by the big record companies. F*ck those guys. They killed music. t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xolov Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Yes, I admit I use to pirate, but only from big companies with lots of money like EA, Ubi and fox Yes, I admit I use to pirate, but only from big companies with lots of money that has earlier ripped me off like EA, Ubi and fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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