Offroad wheels, stock wheels, racing

[Belch]

Lol! There's no argument here. Offroads are significantly faster. Its hugely obvious, if you are going to argue the world is flat go for it, but please do it from the ward of your mental home.

Agreed! The difference is night and day to me. Off road tires just roll over obstacles that other tires do not.

 

My only problem is that they look out of place on certain cars.

[elfoam]

I have always swore by using tuner tyres dished eight! They are considerably wider tyres than the rest of the tuner tyres, and I find they do give better grip. If you take the comet out stock tyres and then change it to the dished eights and feel the difference in handeling.

Wether the height of the tyre wall makes a difference to impacts, I've never noticed it much myself.

 

The tuner tyres are a fast tyre too. I'll take a guess the standard tyre for the Comet is sports class, so this is why putting a tuner on it (which isn't much slower than offroads) gives you a gain. The slowest tyres are high end and then sports.

 

There's some strange things in this game like an Injection bought from the shop has sports class tyres and a stolen one from the street has offroads. Both appear to have the same tyre (you can't change them in lsc only ifruit).. but the stolen one handles much better and is faster.

Edited February 11, 2015 by elfoam

[Dock]

I've been a victim to crashing or skidding off a curve (who knows how) when cornering, and the off road tires helped tremendously. Yes they look horribly out of place on a Zentorno (cry me a river if you hate them, but they get the job done easily ), but I've learnt to live with it.

 

It looks much better than the chrome or pink/neon green crapfests I race against some times on last gen (PC version, where art thou).

 

Also, the "custom tires" option helps apparently with traction, so as much I don't want it, I gotta' keep it, and perhaps you should too. Since I use the Zentorno mostly for racing (never free roam), it kinda' fits.

[JC Hammer]

 

 

-snip-

I never claimed to get bounced off a curb, I'll let whoever made that claim answer that one.

 

As for tire choice not mattering as much as picking the right line...I never claimed it mattered more than picking the right line. I never claimed it mattered more than anything else. I agree, it makes a relatively small difference. My point, though, was that even a small difference is a difference. And my point about what real racing crews would do is that they'll go after any difference, no matter how small.

 

Under practical use, to use your terminology, you and another driver can race the exact same car on the same track and take the exact same line and make identical control inputs. But if the other guy has one tiny little difference that gives him the teensiest-tiniest little advantage, guess what, he's going to win. And you're going to lose, because you passed on an advantage that was too minuscule to be worthy of your notice.

 

I don't know what this "better ratio" you're speaking of is, but regardless of how good you are, if you turn your nose up and something hays been proven to make even a tiny improvement, then that's just stupid. And make no mistake, the difference in this VIDEO GAME has been proven.

Yes, as I stated and then you totally ignored in your example; practical use. You will never have 100% exact lines and turns and games and laps. It doesn't happen. And not only does it not happen, you will either once in a blue moon or straight up never be in a situation where you straddle the curb in a way for this "improvement" to even come into effect.

 

I'm not turning my nose up at anything, I'm DYING for a more competitive race scene, as arcade as it is, and spreading misleading "tips" such as this is not helping at all. I want people to focus on getting their handling down and learning what brakes and an apex are. Not wasting their times on this.

 

In most races thru the city streets the "right line" is over a curb, I doubt any racer is making 90 degree turns at every corner

 

Off Road tires keep the car stable and are very slightly faster because of this.

 

Rim Type does not make a difference. Stock rims on "Off Road" tires have the same benefit as all the other "Off Road" rims

 

They don't look that bad...

 

Edited February 11, 2015 by TheHammer

[Broughy1322]

Amount of sidewall visible is directly proportional to how effective the tyres are over bumps and kerbs.

 

Doesn't matter which category you buy stock wheels from, they always give the same performance. If they have more sidewall than off roads use them, if not then they won't be as effective.

[Dock]

I got put into a lobby that had custom vehicles off (Hipster Death Rally), and I chose the Zentorno (lelelel).

 

Easily noticed how the car was being affected by the curbs after getting used to off road tiring those SOBs still won, but had the odd spin out.

 

Long story short: they help a bunch!

[Pedinhuh]

That's news to me.
So if I fit stock wheels, on the off-road wheels category, this will improve my Infernus handling over curbs and obstacles?
If so, I'm fitting them in a heartbeat.

[ShootTheNuts]

Rim Type does not make a difference. Stock rims on "Off Road" tires have the same benefit as all the other "Off Road" rims

 

 

Doesn't matter which category you buy stock wheels from, they always give the same performance.

 

 

So if I fit stock wheels, on the off-road wheels category, this will improve my Infernus handling over curbs and obstacles?

If so, I'm fitting them in a heartbeat.

 

Obviously we still have a bit more testing/arguing to do before we can get a definitive answer!

[SmellyNeko]

does this mean if i put offroad wheels on my little panto, that it won't violently bounce around going over curbs??

[hesselgren]

does this mean if i put offroad wheels on my little panto, that it won't violently bounce around going over curbs??

it helps

[xInfamousRYANx]

does this mean if i put offroad wheels on my little panto, that it won't violently bounce around going over curbs??

sorta the panto is terrible at curbs either way (and i have to race it for an hour in the MCEC )

 

For me because i like my cars looking good i throw offroads on for certain events and switch back to the tires i like later. Although on my 2nd characrer i use for racing i always keep offroads on my zen and massacro

Edited February 11, 2015 by xInfamousRYANx

[Broughy1322]

 

Rim Type does not make a difference. Stock rims on "Off Road" tires have the same benefit as all the other "Off Road" rims

 

 

Doesn't matter which category you buy stock wheels from, they always give the same performance.

 

 

So if I fit stock wheels, on the off-road wheels category, this will improve my Infernus handling over curbs and obstacles?

If so, I'm fitting them in a heartbeat.

Obviously we still have a bit more testing/arguing to do before we can get a definitive answer!

 

No, just that the first quote is incorrect.

[JustinR512]

Amount of sidewall visible is directly proportional to how effective the tyres are over bumps and kerbs.Doesn't matter which category you buy stock wheels from, they always give the same performance. If they have more sidewall than off roads use them, if not then they won't be as effective.

Thank you for contributing. I just want to check if you've actually tested stock wheels in any of your tests, and compared to other wheel types.

[Broughy1322]

 

Amount of sidewall visible is directly proportional to how effective the tyres are over bumps and kerbs.Doesn't matter which category you buy stock wheels from, they always give the same performance. If they have more sidewall than off roads use them, if not then they won't be as effective.

Thank you for contributing. I just want to check if you've actually tested stock wheels in any of your tests, and compared to other wheel types.

 

I have.

[dingodile_r89]

Stock wheels are stock wheels. Doesn't matter if you buy them in the off-road class. They won't cushion your bump as well as an off-road wheel.

[Shalashaska523]

Kind of off topic but I'm same ball park. How about ride height? I was in a sultan only race club and we raced many different terrains but off-road mostly and they swore that their stock ride height was better than my lowered one for off-road. Being the suspension bottoms out on mine and caused the car swerve or whatever. I tried it and it seemed a lot better but it may have been placebo

[JustinR512]

 

 

Amount of sidewall visible is directly proportional to how effective the tyres are over bumps and kerbs.Doesn't matter which category you buy stock wheels from, they always give the same performance. If they have more sidewall than off roads use them, if not then they won't be as effective.

Thank you for contributing. I just want to check if you've actually tested stock wheels in any of your tests, and compared to other wheel types.

I have.

Is that in any of your videos?

[JustinR512]

Stock wheels are stock wheels. Doesn't matter if you buy them in the off-road class. They won't cushion your bump as well as an off-road wheel.

In a perfectly-coded game, this would be true, and there'd be no need to,ask. But we all know this is far from a perfectly coded game. Look at all the glitches. Does Rockstar want us to be able to color stock wheels? No, because they've tried to patch it before. Yet methods existed, and still exist, that if you do the right things in the right order, you can color stock wheels. That's what most of the glitches are, if you do the right things in the right order, you can get unintended consequences. Things Rockstar didn't want you to have, or be able to do. That's why I was asking this question, because knowing how glitchy this game is, I figured there was a chance that stock wheels might unintentionally retain the performance characteristics of the wheel class they're bought in.

 

Now we have Broughy1322 who says this is not the case, and I'm inclined to believe him, because I know he's put a lot of time and effort into testing all sorts of things when it comes to racing. Nevertheless, I want to know that testing was actually done, that it isn't just an assumption, and to see those tests.

[dingodile_r89]

 

Stock wheels are stock wheels. Doesn't matter if you buy them in the off-road class. They won't cushion your bump as well as an off-road wheel.

In a perfectly-coded game, this would be true, and there'd be no need to,ask. But we all know this is far from a perfectly coded game. Look at all the glitches. Does Rockstar want us to be able to color stock wheels? No, because they've tried to patch it before. Yet methods existed, and still exist, that if you do the right things in the right order, you can color stock wheels. That's what most of the glitches are, if you do the right things in the right order, you can get unintended consequences. Things Rockstar didn't want you to have, or be able to do. That's why I was asking this question, because knowing how glitchy this game is, I figured there was a chance that stock wheels might unintentionally retain the performance characteristics of the wheel class they're bought in.

 

Now we have Broughy1322 who says this is not the case, and I'm inclined to believe him, because I know he's put a lot of time and effort into testing all sorts of things when it comes to racing. Nevertheless, I want to know that testing was actually done, that it isn't just an assumption, and to see those tests.

I'll run a test and show you later. I tested this specifically on my testing grounds track, same corner, same car, same racing line, different wheels.

[roboticsuperman]

Here's a loosely connected question,

 

Do custom tyres do anything?

[JustinR512]

Here's a loosely connected question,

Do custom tyres do anything?

Someone earlier said they do, but if they do its news to me. I've never heard from any reliable source that they do, and I kind of doubt it.

[theicide]

 

Stock wheels are stock wheels. Doesn't matter if you buy them in the off-road class. They won't cushion your bump as well as an off-road wheel.

In a perfectly-coded game, this would be true, and there'd be no need to,ask. But we all know this is far from a perfectly coded game. Look at all the glitches. Does Rockstar want us to be able to color stock wheels? No, because they've tried to patch it before. Yet methods existed, and still exist, that if you do the right things in the right order, you can color stock wheels. That's what most of the glitches are, if you do the right things in the right order, you can get unintended consequences. Things Rockstar didn't want you to have, or be able to do. That's why I was asking this question, because knowing how glitchy this game is, I figured there was a chance that stock wheels might unintentionally retain the performance characteristics of the wheel class they're bought in.

 

Now we have Broughy1322 who says this is not the case, and I'm inclined to believe him, because I know he's put a lot of time and effort into testing all sorts of things when it comes to racing. Nevertheless, I want to know that testing was actually done, that it isn't just an assumption, and to see those tests.

I also would like to see the test results.

[Broughy1322]

 

 

 

Amount of sidewall visible is directly proportional to how effective the tyres are over bumps and kerbs.Doesn't matter which category you buy stock wheels from, they always give the same performance. If they have more sidewall than off roads use them, if not then they won't be as effective.

Thank you for contributing. I just want to check if you've actually tested stock wheels in any of your tests, and compared to other wheel types.

 

I have.

 

Is that in any of your videos?

 

Nope. It might make it into one in the future.

[The Ost]

Keep it simple - put the big clumpy offroad tyres on your vehicle and it will handle obstacles better.

 

You can still spin out if you're really pushing the pace, and if racing a race crew they will drive well using any type of tyre.

 

But when racing randoms, offroad tyres are a useful purchase.

[Cant-B-Faded]

I just don't see how there's any way to prove any of this. There are too many variables- in a race long enough to show any actual difference, anyway. Until I see some code, I'm going with "it's all in your head".

 

HATE IT!

[xInfamousRYANx]

I just don't see how there's any way to prove any of this. There are too many variables- in a race long enough to show any actual difference, anyway. Until I see some code, I'm going with "it's all in your head".

 

HATE IT!

but it isnt. As much as i hate ugly offroads they serve a purpose.

 

It has already been proven you get a speed boost when kerb boosting. Offroads allow better kerb boosting because they glide over them. The better gliding is atreibuted to tire sidewall. Just like irl a fatter bouncier tyre will go over a kerb better than a low profile tire

/thread

[Cant-B-Faded]

"It's already been proven". "I'm not arguing with the fact...". "It's been discussed and determined". I've never seen any facts. You guys are basing this on a series of videos made by some basement dweller.

 

Sorry. I'm done now.

[GTA Forums User99521]

May as well ignore him.You can tell from his above message that he doesn't want to know whether or not it makes a difference

[Rodgerzzz]

Slightly off topic and I believe Moostered said this further up but the reason racers were putting the offroad tires on isn't to just handle the bumps better but to be able to handle the bumps hitting sidewalks and curbs to get the curb boost. I see a few people here are missing the point and jumping to the conclusion that its to have better handling over curbs which is correct but the reason people are going for those curbs is to hit the small bumps that revs the car and increases the speed. With offroad tires on you barely notice this bump but still gain the advantage of boosting over the curbs and thats the reason they became so popular. Offroads are damn ugly but for serious hotlapping they're by far the best option to have on your car.

[G o d]

eh, no one is touching me in my chrome dollar sign adder.