AccountNoLongerUsed Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Heck, he might have even respected Johnny had he been the badass he was back in Alderney and not the meth head in Blaine County. Heck, had things gone differently, Trevor might have even turned to him for advice after he found out about Micheal's betrayal up in North Yankton. But, no, he had to get back with Ashley. He couldnt just let that bitch self destruct. Johnny was a badass, and a great leader....the keyword is "was". But by the time of V or even Online or before, he was but a shell, and he picked the wrong time to mouth off to Trevor. His death wasnt murder, it was euthanasia. Johnny died way before Trevor's boot met his skull. Edited February 9, 2015 by X12-1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Cowboy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Yes he would have. Johnny being on meth, out west, or with Ashley made no sense. So killing him would have made no sense but still happened. C* had no way to redeem a sh*tty character like Tranny Trev so they just made him easily kill one of the baddest mothers in the GTA series to make him seem badass to the 12 year olds the game is targeted at. American Viking, Shenmue18, mattsure and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Yes he would have. Johnny being on meth, out west, or with Ashley made no sense. So killing him would have made no sense but still happened. he has a patch that says he was in Los Santos in 2004, it's not so far fetched that he decided to go to LS after the events of TLAD to start again, i mean, after all that happened to him, it's so hard to think he falled in a deep deppression that lead him to drugs and back with Ashley? Nuke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Yes he would have. Johnny being on meth, out west, or with Ashley made no sense. So killing him would have made no sense but still happened. he has a patch that says he was in Los Santos in 2004, it's not so far fetched that he decided to go to LS after the events of TLAD to start again, i mean, after all that happened to him, it's so hard to think he falled in a deep deppression that lead him to drugs and back with Ashley? Yeah, it was a tragedy. Also, anyone who chooses A just because of Johnny is an idiot because guess what, Devin and Steve, the people Johnny would want dead, are still alive. Edited February 9, 2015 by X12-1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) If Johnny wasn't in the weakened state he was then ol' Trev wouldn't have been messing around with Ashley in the first place, you can bet on it. Have you not noticed that Trevor only takes advantage of the weak. Yeah, he killed a Johnny K. so strung out of his brain he could barely stand and even then he caught him off guard. In no universe under no circumstances would Johnny K. ever respect a piece of trash like Trevor. Perhaps Johnny let Ashley bring him down, but anyone who knows what it's like to love a woman can easily get caught up in those situations. He deserved better than Ashley for sure. Edited February 18, 2015 by American Alpha Naroon, MrDeSanta, Majestic81 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 I never said JOHNNY would respect Trevor, i said TREVOR might have respect Johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDeSanta Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) It`s a very tricky situation and sometimes i don`t know who should i be madd at. R*, Trevor or Johnny? At everyone i guess. R* because they created possibly the sh*ttiest GTA scenario so far, Trevor because of the nature he kills Johnny in (cheap knockout by surprise, stomping to his head and then even making fun of this by talking to his brains) and Johnny himself because he was so weak (the only thing i have to admit Trevor was right is when he said Johnny was weak on Ashley) on that bitch Ashley whom he should just poped her back in Alderney. Well it`s all R*`s fault for the sh*tty scenario i guess but we can`t help ourselves not to blame Trevor as well since he`s the one who has been presented via cheap shock value in GTA V. And the problem i have with this sh*tty scenario is that they are both meth addicts. Johnny and Trevor. And yet somehow Johnny is the only one who`s portrayed as a wrecked, f*cked up, toothless and skinny methhead whom death almost looks like it has been a humane execution. But Trevor is portrayed as strong, rage fueled idiot. Despite them both being on meth, Trevor was probably smoking meth even longer than Johnny. This doesn`t make sense. It`s like meth has only good effects on Trevor while it has bad effects on Johnny. Gaps, gaps and gaps. This scenario sucks big time and the worst part is it doesn`t make a bit of sense. Edited February 9, 2015 by MrDeSanta Naroon, American Viking, B Dawg and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I never said JOHNNY would respect Trevor, i said TREVOR might have respect Johnny. lol, Trev doesn't respect anyone that's not his mother. American Viking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I never said JOHNNY would respect Trevor, i said TREVOR might have respect Johnny. I know, I was just stating a fact. Trevor doesn't respect any anybody. He's got the people he uses, the people he abuses, and the people he loses...that's it. Johnny fell into the latter category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Trevor might have developed a tolerance for it, and may be using lighter doses. As far as we know, Johnny's use of meth was recent and he might be using higher doses. Also im pretty sure he is true friends with Franklin and Micheal (after resolving things in ending C). And his feelings for Patricia were genuine. Edited February 9, 2015 by X12-1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Cowboy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Damn, Donuts. You really agreed with that one post. donnits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnits Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Damn, Donuts. You really agreed with that one post. The post so nice, i liked it twice. Drunken Cowboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDeSanta Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Trevor might have developed a tolerance for it, and may be using lighter doses. As far as we know, Johnny's use of meth was recent and he might be using higher doses. There is a series of police shows on Discovery showcase in our country. It`s a real life show based on the police from Multnomah county in Colorado (Denver if i`m not mistaken). The cases are very graphic and it shows meth addicts. This is the 2.nd fastest destructive drug right after the crocodile. People are starting to loose their teeth in a matter of few months. Bones become fragile like a rotten wood. Those people become living zombies in 1 year. The tolerance doesn`t matter here. You can develope the tolerance so your body can stand higher dosages but the body and mind destruction will be even worse. Those people sleep only few hours per week. Thank god we don`t have meth in our country yet but we do have a crocodile which is even worse. OT, Trevor should be as much as f*cked up as Johnny if not even more. But somehow he seems completely healthy unlike Johnny. Doesn`t make any sense. As if this whole scenario wouldn`t be f*cked up enough, R* added Trevor`s bitching about Michael smoking cigarettes in the game. It`s just retarded. And as for meth rage, it happens while under the influence but keep in mind those people have weak and fragile bones so i doubt they can actually be any strong even tho they are raging. I still bet the healthy non-addict man would take any meth addict during the rage. Oh and it depends on whether it`s crystal meth or home made. Crystal meth destrutcs the body faster than home made. There were people using home made meth for years and they weren`t so f*cked up as those who smoked crystal meth for few months. Also the "meth rage" is more known for crystal meth which is far stronger. V refers to crystal meth. Based on seeing Ron smoking it via glass pipe one time. So it`s clearly a crystal meth which should turn Trevor into a "zombie" already. But no, he looks way healthier than Johnny and check this joke- he doesn`t want to smoke cigarettes because they`re bad for health. I guess crystal meth is healthier than tobacco. Lol Edited February 9, 2015 by MrDeSanta Naroon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Yeah, i think Trevor was written in last, just to be the character people would be able to run around doing mayhem without feeling they are out of character, as opposed to the more pragmatic Micheal and Franklin. The Dedito Gae and MrDeSanta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ... he doesn`t want to smoke cigarettes because they`re bad for health. I guess crystal meth is healthier than tobacco. Lol I found Trevor smoking a normal cigarrete a bunch of times in his door step, using the same animation as Michael, where does Trevor says that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Trevor basically was just giving Micheal a hard time. Anyway, hopefully in 6TA they will allow us to make our own characters and basically role play in the world of GTA. Whether a relatively good person who does crime to get by, a pragmatic who will only do good or bad things in order to further his agendas, a complete psychopath who just wants to watch the world burn, or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDeSanta Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ... he doesn`t want to smoke cigarettes because they`re bad for health. I guess crystal meth is healthier than tobacco. Lol I found Trevor smoking a normal cigarrete a bunch of times in his door step, using the same animation as Michael, where does Trevor says that? Trevor was smoking a cigarette? I`m sorry but somehow i can`t believe this. I`ve never saw anything like this and i switched to him like hundreds of times in my 1.5 year of playing this game. I`ve seen him getting drunk and smoking meth, huffing gas but i never saw him smoking tobacco. He has this annoying anti-smoking attitute that doesn`t make any sense. Yes, i know that the cigarettes are bad for health but when this comes from a drunken meth addict it looks kinda silly. Trevor was keep giving Michael a hard time for smoking. I can remember 2 moments; -1.st cutscene in the torture mission (mr K) when he sees M smoking a cigarette and he says; "you should quit that sh*t man, it`s killing you. Look at me, cranked on speed-meth mostly and still best shape in my life" -the last cutscene in the "Wrap up" mission. "what are you doing smoking huh? It`s bad for you don`t you see?" LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dedito Gae Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Trevor was smoking a cigarette? I`m sorry but somehow i can`t believe this. I`ve never saw anything like this and i switched to him like hundreds of times in my 1.5 year of playing this game. Trevor was keep giving Michael a hard time for smoking... No, i meant where does he says he doesn't smoke himself?Trevor says those hipocritical things about Michael smoking habits because he cares about him. And the switching scenario it's one of Trevor's difficult to get. Edited February 10, 2015 by Midnight Hitman MrDeSanta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Ok, why was the title censored? I mean, im pretty sure everybody knows that Trevor killed Johnny by now. Edited February 10, 2015 by X12-1992 MrDeSanta and The Dedito Gae 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I only wish that Johnny, and the rest of the Lost MC were never even in GTA V to start with! Majestic81, Payne Killer and gunziness 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael� Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 R* killed him because they didn't like him or to prove the point about Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karls Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I only wish that Johnny, and the rest of the Lost MC were never even in GTA V to start with! Why? So Trevor wouldn't killed them old friendly neighborhood bastards that everyone love unlike Luis Lopez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I only wish that Johnny, and the rest of the Lost MC were never even in GTA V to start with! Why? So Trevor wouldn't killed them old friendly neighborhood bastards that everyone love unlike Luis Lopez? I can't quite tell if that is sarcasm or not Officer Vic, but I agree with PhillBellic here. What incentive was there really to bring the Lost MC into LS? I cannot think of a single one. The Angels of Death MC on the other hand supposedly have a chapter in LS, were already established as the antagonistic MC, but lo and behold, they didn't make the game at all. I wish I could ask the Houser brothers the reasoning behind this. The Lost should have been left alone after TLaD if they weren't gonna use them in a progressive light. Luis Lopez...now I wouldn't mind seeing him under Trevor's boot. Naroon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I only wish that Johnny, and the rest of the Lost MC were never even in GTA V to start with! Why? So Trevor wouldn't killed them old friendly neighborhood bastards that everyone love unlike Luis Lopez? I can't quite tell if that is sarcasm or not Officer Vic, but I agree with PhillBellic here. What incentive was there really to bring the Lost MC into LS? I cannot think of a single one. The Angels of Death MC on the other hand supposedly have a chapter in LS, were already established as the antagonistic MC, but lo and behold, they didn't make the game at all. I wish I could ask the Houser brothers the reasoning behind this. The Lost should have been left alone after TLaD if they weren't gonna use them in a progressive light. Luis Lopez...now I wouldn't mind seeing him under Trevor's boot. Alpha, actually I wouldn't mind seeing Trevor under Niko, Johnny, and Luis's shoes. That would be fuc*ing awesome. American Viking and UshaB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Leone Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I can't see Trevor being written in last if Michael was the first guy they thought of. Story wouldn't make much sense if it was just about Mike and Frank early in the development. You can make an argument Franklin was the tacked on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watain Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) I cannot imagine Trevor taking down Johnny back in 2008. I think Johnny would've f*cked him up good. Maybe not killed him, but definitely beat him up good as a warning. After all, Johnny was "230 pounds of Jewish biker", which also showed physically as he likely had a lotta muscle (compared to Niko's figure). Trevor is skinny, not very muscular, and a long-time junkie who, as someone pointed out, should be in way worse condition than Johnny in V. Trevor also does all kinds of f*cked up, eating human flesh, puffing gas and who knows what else? Johnny was only drinking ocassionally when The Lost and Damned took place, and he was very firmly anti-drugs/Ashley. He determindedly dumped her, even though she was in rehab, further making no sense as to why he took her back, and even less why he started using meth. The fact that Johnny was also, in The Lost and Damned, a very smart man and thought things through before taking action, very much unlike Trevor, makes his demise by Trevor's hands an even greater question. It almost feels like Rockstar tried to insult its players' intelligence with this sh*t. I mean, we played as Johnny, got to know him and his personality traits. In my opinion, it's just so weird that he suddenly has taken back Ashley, become addicted to meth, and especially lost most of his balls and intimidating persona (he still did confront Trevor about Ashley, although in a rather wussy way compared to before). This is what I mean - the Johnny we knew would break Trevor if not for this new (inconsistent) drug-habbit trait. Seriously. Johnny K's fate made no f*cking sense whatsoever, really. It was also totally unnecessary to include it and the Lost MC in GTA V altogether - it didn't really add anything to anything, just like everything else in V's story line. The only thing that the story in V does is destroying previous good GTA stories. Edited July 4, 2015 by Watain B Dawg and Naroon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naroon Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 The way they turned the intelligent, no-nonsense badassness of Johnny and threw it out the window by turning him into the literal antithesis of himself in V seemed like Cockstar deliberately trolling their own fanbase. They knew that Johnny was a popular character after TLAD came out and then they randomly have him obliterated figuratively and literally within some of the first hours of the game. It was just stupid by every stretch of the imagination. As mentioned above, there's no logical reasoning that can explain Johnny somehow not only becoming obsessed with Ashley, but getting strung out on crystal meth as well. Then depicting Johnny as being a walking ghost due to the drug use, yet somehow the sh*tty scumbags Ron and Trevor are basically in mint condition? Completely nonsensical. V's SP was just terrible due to many leaps of logic and just boring story arcs altogether. Great dialogue writing, but a sh*t excuse of a story. Wastelander (Suzuki) and B Dawg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MichaelDeClinton Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 They should of atleast made them fight atleast. Albany Johnny easily could of put Trevor in the ground for good but C* decided to make him seem like a weak drug addict that couldn't fight off a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDeClinton Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I cannot imagine Trevor taking down Johnny back in 2008. I think Johnny would've f*cked him up good. Maybe not killed him, but definitely beat him up good as a warning. After all, Johnny was "230 pounds of Jewish biker", which also showed physically as he likely had a lotta muscle (compared to Niko's figure). Trevor is skinny, not very muscular, and a long-time junkie who, as someone pointed out, should be in way worse condition than Johnny in V. Trevor also does all kinds of f*cked up, eating human flesh, puffing gas and who knows what else? Johnny was only drinking ocassionally when The Lost and Damned took place, and he was very firmly anti-drugs/Ashley. He determindedly dumped her, even though she was in rehab, further making no sense as to why he took her back, and even less why he started using meth. The fact that Johnny was also, in The Lost and Damned, a very smart man and thought things through before taking action, very much unlike Trevor, makes his demise by Trevor's hands an even greater question. It almost feels like Rockstar tried to insult its players' intelligence with this sh*t. I mean, we played as Johnny, got to know him and his personality traits. In my opinion, it's just so weird that he suddenly has taken back Ashley, become addicted to meth, and especially lost most of his balls and intimidating persona (he still did confront Trevor about Ashley, although in a rather wussy way compared to before). This is what I mean - the Johnny we knew would break Trevor if not for this new (inconsistent) drug-habbit trait. Seriously. Johnny K's fate made no f*cking sense whatsoever, really. It was also totally unnecessary to include it and the Lost MC in GTA V altogether - it didn't really add anything to anything, just like everything else in V's story line. The only thing that the story in V does is destroying previous good GTA stories. Exactly, the old Johnny would've broke trevor within a blink of an eye. The way C* portrayed Johnny is as an old women was trapped in his body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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