American Viking Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Hear me out on this one. I'm not some Johnny K. "fanboy" that can't wrap my head around the fact that he's dead...I'm merely proposing the idea that maybe he isn't dead. I figured what could have happened is either A) Johnny survived the attack but with severe trauma (which would make him useless in future games anyway) or B) the whole event happened in Trevor's mind thus not really happening. I form the latter theory based off the fact that Trevor is mentally unstable and has a drug problem that would put any 80's rock star to shame. I also believe the "rampage" missions are in his head too but that's another story. So what do you think? Even if he's legitimately gone Rockstar could always exploit the story a bit to bring him back if they wanted. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicken Man Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) If it is all in his head then isn't it also in Ron's, Wade's and Ashley's heads, too? And The Lost's heads who were watching over his casket in Stab City? And the bleeter reports that he died and the bleeter and news reports of the Stab City bombing must all be in everyone's heads, too? A shared psychosis like that is practically unheard of. It's not as if Trevor woke up in a drunken haze with blood on his shirt and wondered if he only imagined stomping Johnny's brains in, then killing dozens of Lost, then bombing their camp! No, he did all these things out in the open. Edited January 25, 2015 by The Chicken Man Sussus Amongus, SmokesWithCigs, Red Velvet and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Cowboy Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Phil Cassidy blew off his left arm and regrew it in GTA III, only to have his right arm cruelly get lost as well. Based on the continuity errors Rockstar is so prone to, I think they could bring him back with like a head bandage or something if they cared enough, but Rockstar has thrown the IV demographic, especially the TLaD portion under the bus with GTA V. It's possible him, Terry, and Clay could come back but Rockstar and all the 12 year olds that are the majority of the fan base wouldn't care now. Uncle Vlad, Bondergomme, American Viking and 8 others 11 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudX Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Want Johnny back? Solution: A Prequel. Sussus Amongus, SmokesWithCigs, Nurolight and 7 others 10 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnits Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Prequel with Trevor starting up TPI and Franklin in the hood would allow for some Johnny involvement. We can see him go from badass to weakling and how T and JK went from good terms to bad. GroundZero, theGTAking101, Trevorphilipjfry and 4 others 7 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 If it is all in his head then isn't it also in Ron's, Wade's and Ashley's heads, too? And The Lost's heads who were watching over his casket in Stab City? And the bleeter reports that he died and the bleeter and news reports of the Stab City bombing must all be in everyone's heads, too? A shared psychosis like that is practically unheard of. It's not as if Trevor woke up in a drunken haze with blood on his shirt and wondered if he only imagined stomping Johnny's brains in, then killing dozens of Lost, then bombing their camp! No, he did all these things out in the open. If it is all in his head then isn't it also in Ron's, Wade's and Ashley's heads, too? And The Lost's heads who were watching over his casket in Stab City? And the bleeter reports that he died and the bleeter and news reports of the Stab City bombing must all be in everyone's heads, too? A shared psychosis like that is practically unheard of. It's not as if Trevor woke up in a drunken haze with blood on his shirt and wondered if he only imagined stomping Johnny's brains in, then killing dozens of Lost, then bombing their camp! No, he did all these things out in the open. Good points but it's all perception and we play as Trevor during all of these events. For all we know, many of the events in the game...at least from Trevor's POV could be the result of drug induced hallucinations. I'm just throwing it out there. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudX Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Prequel with Trevor starting up TPI and Franklin in the hood would allow for some Johnny involvement. We can see him go from badass to weakling and how T and JK went from good terms to bad. Hopefully, if the rumored Trevor DLC is true, we can see some of this. donnits 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spliffpanda Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 When someones' brain is lying around on the dashboard of your car - that person is not alive. I'm not a doctor, but I can draw this conclusion by default :-P Sussus Amongus and Straight Edge Steve 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnits Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Pretty sure thats gum Nurolight, Drunken Cowboy, Red Velvet and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Johnny's death could be a hallucination just like the "Trevor meeting his mom hallucination" theory and that the rampages are hallucinations too, but I highly doubt that Trevor killing Johnny was a hallucination because it has consequences unlike the rampages were everything goes to normal after the rampage. MrDeSanta 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
79'Blazer4x4 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I really can't see how it could work if it was just a hallucination. As mentioned before, if it was in Trevor's mind how do Ashley, Ron, Wade, and the rest of the lost know that it happened? Johnny's death(among other things) also affects the game later(when the Lost in Stab City are wiped out and a new chapter replaces them) and even in free roam(any Lost member enountered by Trevor attacks him on sight). If it really wanted to be played off as Trevor's hallucination then the whole game would have to be a hallucination of his. Or maybe Johnny actually kicked Trevor's ass and put him in a coma and the events of GTA V are all just Trevor's coma dream. LeonarXL, MrDeSanta and Miketv 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfennekin Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Johnny's dead. Hopefully the Trevor DLC will have him in it. If it's a Prequel. I've always thought IF the zombie DLC story is true, that Trevor will face off against dead zombie bikers led by Johnny himself. GroundZero, Sami Uso, Nah nah nah Gta 6 and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Nah. Johnny Klebitz, Terry, Clay, and the rest of the Gang respawned at the hospital, six hours later. RandallFlagg00, GTA-Biker, The Chicken Man and 14 others 17 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066875955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brony in Black Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 He looked like he got stomped on by a bull (no exaggeration, I've seen that happen), so if he were to survive, he'd be severely handicapped. But he's dead, for the reasons everyone above has mentioned. It's a sh*tty excuse for closure to have him die without putting up a fight, but it happened. ...unless he pulled a Michael and faked his death. Nah nah nah Gta 6 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066876369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah nah nah Gta 6 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I have 2 100% working solutions for fixing Johnny's death. METHOD 1: 1. Play GTA V untill you reach the mission "Mr.Philips" 2. Watch the cutscence, as soon as Trevor grabs Johnny, quickly turn off your console, be quick, one stomp to the head and this won't work 3. Take this disc out of the console 4. Write a sh*tty rant on why Trevor killed Johnny 5. Put in Episodes from Liberty City in your console 6. This is the hard part, when the game loads, you MUST choose "The lost and Damned", choosing "The Ballad of Gay Tony" will make your console blow up. 7. The game will load, if it doesn't, then there's something wrong with the disc 8. Johnny will be alive and you can explore all of Liberty City! METHOD 2: 1. Play as him through modding .Ryan., 9i OTD, xXManATeeXx and 12 others 15 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066876388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolkXue Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 They killed him because he was a leather jacket full of failure... Let him die and actually get a cool representation of bikers today, not some 1980s throw back. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066876410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygrowls Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I wouldn't mind Johnny coming back or being dead. I love the Jim being still alive theory though. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066876684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerKracker Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 He's just hiding. And he's coming back for his bit of brain with a vengeance. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066876693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammsbro Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Trevor killed him, deal with it. He was killed in that way to emphasise how dangerous Trevor is and how little he gives a ferk. Brony in Black and Miketv 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066876704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudX Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I have 2 100% working solutions for fixing Johnny's death. METHOD 1: 1. Play GTA V untill you reach the mission "Mr.Philips" 2. Watch the cutscence, as soon as Trevor grabs Johnny, quickly turn off your console, be quick, one stomp to the head and this won't work 3. Take this disc out of the console 4. Write a sh*tty rant on why Trevor killed Johnny 5. Put in Episodes from Liberty City in your console 6. This is the hard part, when the game loads, you MUST choose "The lost and Damned", choosing "The Ballad of Gay Tony" will make your console blow up. 7. The game will load, if it doesn't, then there's something wrong with the disc 8. Johnny will be alive and you can explore all of Liberty City! METHOD 2: 1. Play as him through modding Well, now that's where I went wrong, huh. Nah nah nah Gta 6 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066877046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamalG Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Johnny is dead, as shocking it was to me at first. this isnt the case of Miguel, where it seemed that Toni killed him. R* wont make GTA (or any of their games) into soup opera with sudden returns etc. to be honest, probably all GTA protagonists die in similar foolish ways - its just we finally saw another one, but now we cared (nobody knew who Vic Vance is and didnt care til 4 years later) Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066877071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA-Biker Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 There is a glitch that makes Johnny alive again.I found this photo here http://gta.wikia.com/Johnny_Klebitz Nah nah nah Gta 6 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066878188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDeSanta Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) I think Johnny is dead since it has also being mentioned by Melvin but i like your point about the rampages being only Trevor`s imagination. The fact that there`s no cops is really weird. The rampages and the mission "mrS Phillips" (Trevor`s mom) are somehow weird and i don`t exclude the option of this being all in Trevor`s head. Edited January 27, 2015 by MrDeSanta American Viking 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066886920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlitoDorito Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 He's dead. The only way he would ever come back is if there's a zombie DLC, you'll kill him again probably. Although you could fail whatever mission may involve them over and over (I'm guessing Trevor goes to stab city, then oh no! Biker zombies) just let Johnny bite Trevor. It won't change anything but it may reduce feelings of sadness and bitterness. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066887433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Viking Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think Johnny is dead since it has also being mentioned by Melvin but i like your point about the rampages being only Trevor`s imagination. The fact that there`s no cops is really weird. The rampages and the mission "mrS Phillips" (Trevor`s mom) are somehow weird and i don`t exclude the option of this being all in Trevor`s head. The way I see it, Trevor is such a demented character that alot of things would need to be his hallucinations for them to properly fit the GTA vibe. Trevor would've fit perfect in the 3D universe but in the HD universe they've really tried to get more serious and realistic with the series so far. He's dead. The only way he would ever come back is if there's a zombie DLC, you'll kill him again probably. Although you could fail whatever mission may involve them over and over (I'm guessing Trevor goes to stab city, then oh no! Biker zombies) just let Johnny bite Trevor. It won't change anything but it may reduce feelings of sadness and bitterness. I'm not sad...maybe a bit bitter with how R* went about it. The man deserved a final shootout, a fistfight, something but they chose to pull an Old Yeller with em. I hope they hear the backlash from fans and don't repeat that. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066887463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Very interesting speculation. The game allows you to execute him via headshot, red x, etc. after the cutscene. Also, the game allows you to leave Terry and Clay alive by letting them run after the battle to retreat, assuming you or your backup hasn't shot then already. Then 2 unnamed bikers come and smash up Trevor's safe house? Them dying is not forced cannon, which leads to some speculation. As for me, I am not personally all that intrigued, because they completely reiterated the Lost's aspirations, beliefs, values, and so on, I don't see how they can just explain that away/pick up where they left off. It makes no sense to me what they were thinking at the time. They been reading into the shroom brain regeneration theory to much with mice to make a good story. #rstarneedstogetittogether Also, you might be right, Trevor's mom is what everyone was speculating about as a hallucination, it's not uncommon in a severely traumatized adult with every possible drug addiction and life addiction/self harm method you can possibly try making him borderline senile... I believe you. American Viking, LeeH1989 and earthrocker 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066888617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Bring Johnny Klebitz back to life in GTA V: 1:30 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066888635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeH1989 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 The gum/brain thing is in trevors truck straight away tho, but would be crazy having johnny come back but with half a scarred face and an eyepatch lol would be bad ass, im game for biker zombies, but i think a prequel would be best with trev n the lost then frank in the hood, only problem is where would you put mike? What would he be upto? adub 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066893752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWastelanderx Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 It will be cool if he didn't die, like he has a bandage around his head and he's hungry for revenge, or they can make a what if or prequel. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066897596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorphilipjfry Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Maybe Johnny will get the last laugh, maybe he "donated" an STD to Ashley, and well you know the rest Edited January 30, 2015 by Trevorphilipjfry Alvarez and LeeH1989 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/763588-what-if-johnnys-not-dead/#findComment-1066897664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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