Windows 10 & Windows 10 Mobile

[sivispacem]

I genuinely think anyone who is so worried about Microsoft collecting telemetry from their OS that they voluntarily nobble the security of their system to prevent them doing it must have a screw loose.

 

But, to answer your question- yes, it is possible to disable automatic updates by editing the registry. It's not exactly an easy or graceful solution, but it's possible. It's worth noting that the Professional and Enterprise versions of 10 allow administrators to exercise far more control over both updating and telemetry reporting. I can only speak for myself and other people who I know have made the jump to 10, but pretty much all the first-hand experiences or summaries of experiences I've had are generally positive. Of course people including me have killed Cortana and restricted certain kinds of telemetry collection, but by and large 10 isn't collecting anything that 7 or 8 didn't anyway.

[gajrajgchouhan]

Someone to has actually found a way to disable completely UPDATES in Windows 10?!? Separately, Microsoft has put spyware sending infromation to what you does in Windows and what programs you're using using. But seems, in Windows 10, users have absolutely NO WAY TO CONTROL automatic updates the OS downloads and spying and appears they CANNOT BE STOPPED / blocked in any way in Windows 10... I'm bothered by fact pretty much people was not happy with Windows 10 and are reverted back to Windows 7 / 8.1 because Windows 10 was terrible bugged on their machines. Separately, the thing I'm bothered is this many people installed Windows 10 said it various programs / hardware they owned was stopped working because the OS was automatically installed buggy updates WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION and they doesn't have option to disable them. Some people even got their Windows 10 screwed and crashing with BSODs because of faulty updates they couln't cancel at all... How to be sure I won't get same issue???

 

My issue is, I'm currently on Windows 7 SP1 and I have disabled all Windows updates on my machine and it's OK for now. I'm not going to migrate to Windows 10 if I can't disable that sh*t called spying Cortana and those pesky updates because I'm sure they that might break (or even remove) my older games / programs I'm using no my computer! I don't want MS to follow me what I'm using on my computer and change the programs / drivers on MY OWN MACHINE without my permission!!! I'm sure that is the main reason many people do not want Windows 10 at all...

I disabled the updates in Windows 10 by going to services and disabling them for EVER.

 

Edit : You know what, you can leave the Windows 10 if you don't like it.I had a great amount of system slow down and bugs like start menu not opening etc. in windows 10.I downgraded back to windows 8.1.Now I don't get boost in performance of my games .That was the ONLY plus point of Windows 10 in my case.

Especially for my poor Dual Core and GT 730 lol.

Edited February 15, 2016 by gajrajgchouhan

[sivispacem]

If anyone paranoid about Microsoft stealing all your data, run winpcap and Wireshark on your host machine and marvel at all the data Microsoft doesn't send back.

[Andreaz1]

If anyone paranoid about Microsoft stealing all your data, run winpcap and Wireshark on your host machine and marvel at all the data Microsoft doesn't send back.

Can someone explain what this means?

[sivispacem]

Basically, it's quite easy to see exactly how much data Windows transmit back to Microsoft just by installing Wireshark, which is a network traffic capture tool. You install it and the driver, load the program up and you can basically capture all the network traffic going to and from your computer. Lots of it is Microsoft related but the volumes are usually pretty small.

 

I mean if you really wanted to see exactly what gets transmitted you'd have to use something like Fakenet to SSL man-in-the-middle all the encrypted stuff to decode it in unencrypted form, but that's quite a lot of work to reach the conclusion Microsoft probably aren't watching you wank.

[Flachbau]

I never understood why everybody was so up in arms over the telemetry stuff. Well, maybe that's because I don't have anything to hide, really My only gripe with W10 was the glitches that came along with it. The start menu normally f*cked up after using the PC for 20 minutes or so - and then it would freeze a lot. I know I should have done a fresh install but I wanted to go back to something I've used and has given me no problems - Windows 7.

[65536]

Now M$ said this about new hardware will NOT WORK on Windows OSes older than Windows 10 http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-says-next-gen-cpus-will-require-windows-10/! This means if you purchase a new computer with SkyLake CPUs, newer videocards, soundcards etc, this might be issue becuase for Windows 7 / 8.1 there might be NO DRIVERS available for those at all (example - drivers for the integrated HD Graphics into newer CPUs or for newer mainboards are only for Windows 10 and NOTHING for older OS). Seems Microsoft sends Windows 7 into the dust now, which means no way to use it because on newer hardware Windows 7 will be no compatible drivers at all most likely... separaterely, DirectX12 is exclusive for Windows 10 only, as seems there are installers supporting Windows 8 / 8.1, but Windows 7 have NO DIRECTX12 SUPPORT AT ALL, and seems Microsoft is not going to make DirectX12 compatibile with Windows Vista / 7 at all. Now even the first game officially using DirectX12 - Quantum Break, is TRULLY NOT COMPATIBLE with WIndows 7, seems Windows 8.1 is also unsupported http://www.techspot.com/news/63797-quantum-break-pc-requires-windows10-dx12.html. Seems there will be time when we'll have to abandon the last really good Microsoft OS Windows 7 SP1 because DirectX 12 is not available for it, separately, after one-two years PC game developers will stop compatibility with Windows 7 and for recent PC games the minimum supported Windows OS will be ONLY Windows 8 / 8.1 and newer, no more Vista / 7 (even with SP1) at all...

Edited February 17, 2016 by 65536

[sivispacem]

It's not Sylake onwards, it's Kaby Lake onwards. And good on Microsoft, embracing the hardware improvements as an integral part of the operating system is hugely beneficial. Anyway, why would you want to install a 10 year old OS that's out of frontline support on a new system?

 

Why would DX12 be ported back to older OSes? MS never ported any earlier version of DirectX to old operating systems so why do you think they'd start now?

 

All the "issues" you keep citing in thus thread are utter non-issues.

[TJGM]

Twitter for Windows 10 Mobile is here! If you have the 8.1 Twitter app installed, it should update to the Windows 10 Mobile version from the Windows Store (assuming you're on Win10 Mobile). The Windows 10 version also got an update, bringing a dark theme and making it easier to find people that you may know.

 

Official blog post here.

 

[DEALUX]

So I usually lock my computer when I leave it unattended for a while and the monitor times out after 1 minute. Recently I noticed that after leaving it like that for hours (8 or more) the monitor won't turn on no matter what button I press (keyboard or mouse). It's basically saying that there is no video signal and I can't unlock my PC. I have to shut it down and turn it on again.

 

Has this happened to anyone else?

[TJGM]

The Windows 10 Mobile update is now available to selected Windows Phone 8.1 phones. Official blog post here and list of devices that can upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile is here.

 

 

Microsoft also released a Q&A for those who are in the insider program.

 

 

Q: Which devices will the official Windows 10 upgrade be available to?

 

A: You can see the list of Windows 8.1 phones that may be able to upgrade to Windows 10 here. To download the Windows 10 advisor app, go here.

 

Q: If I already have the current Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build and my device is on the updated list of supported devices for the Windows Insider Program, do I need to do anything?

 

A: No action is required on your part. As a Windows Insider you have the latest build and do not need to downgrade to Windows Phone 8.1 to receive any updates. Your device is up-to-date. If you no longer want to receive Windows Insider Preview builds on a particular supported device, you may switch to Production and await future retail updates or move to the Release Preview ring to receive early app updates

 

Q: I’m currently using a Windows 10 Insider build on my device, but it is not on the list of devices that will receive a formal Windows 10 update. What should I expect in the future?

 

A: If you already have the Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build on your device, you may keep using your device in an unsupported state. We will not be offering build updates beyond the Current Branch build 10586. At some point in the future these devices will also stop receiving updates to the Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build. In order to recover the devices back to a supported build of Windows Phone 8.1, you may use the Windows Device Recovery Tool. There are more details on the use of the Windows Device Recovery Tool within this forum post.

 

Q: What does this mean for Windows 10 Mobile builds from the Development Branch?

 

 

A: Currently builds from the development branch have been made available to the Lumia 950, 950 XL, 650, 550, Xiaomi Mi4, and Alcatel OneTouch Fierce XL. In the coming weeks we will be making future Windows 10 Insider Preview builds available to devices on the updated Windows 10 Mobile device list. We will add devices to the Windows Insider Program as more devices launch with Windows 10 Mobile.

 

Q: Why are you choosing to remove devices from the Windows Insider Program?

 

A: By limiting participation in the Windows Insider Program to current devices that have an official upgrade to Windows 10, or new devices that are shipping with Windows 10, this helps focus investigating feedback in the Development Branch for devices that will receive future Windows 10 updates.

[yoječ]

So I usually lock my computer when I leave it unattended for a while and the monitor times out after 1 minute. Recently I noticed that after leaving it like that for hours (8 or more) the monitor won't turn on no matter what button I press (keyboard or mouse). It's basically saying that there is no video signal and I can't unlock my PC. I have to shut it down and turn it on again.

 

Has this happened to anyone else?

This could be a graphics card related issue (either hardware or drivers). Happens to me sometimes when trying to wake the PC up from sleep. Edited March 18, 2016 by yojc

[TJGM]

New Mobile and Desktop/Tablet build released to insiders on the fast ring. Includes extensions for Edge and other new features. Official blog post here.

[Flachbau]

@TJGM's post about the update coming to select 8.1 decices: Haven't booted up the 640 in a while but this is great I'm on the preview builds though so it doesn't affect me much, haha

Edited March 18, 2016 by Alchemist

[DEALUX]

 

So I usually lock my computer when I leave it unattended for a while and the monitor times out after 1 minute. Recently I noticed that after leaving it like that for hours (8 or more) the monitor won't turn on no matter what button I press (keyboard or mouse). It's basically saying that there is no video signal and I can't unlock my PC. I have to shut it down and turn it on again.

 

Has this happened to anyone else?

This could be a graphics card related issue (either hardware or drivers). Happens to me sometimes when trying to wake the PC up from sleep.

 

Something strange seems to happen. I had a video uploading on YouTube while I locked it today and when I came back from work (about 9-10 hours later) I noticed that there was no network activity on my router. I couldn't wake up the screen as usual and I had to forcefully shutdown and restart. I opened Firefox only to find that my video was 70% done uploading when It was supposed to be completely uploaded within 6 hours after I left home. It's like the computer freezes or something.

 

Edit: I followed the suggestion here and I'll test it out tomorrow: http://www.tenforums.com/performance-maintenance/14792-computer-wont-wake-up-sleep.html

I think the settings for the default GPU (in PCIe slot 1) are correct in my BIOS settings. I think it's in that slot but I did in fact flash my BIOS recently and some settings might have reset.

Edited March 18, 2016 by Kristian.

[Mr. Scratch]

Don't update your phones to W10, its still sh*t.

[TJGM]

Don't update your phones to W10, its still sh*t.

Runs well for me on a 535 with the latest TH2 builds. The only problem I have with it is some basic features were removed or moved to Cortana compared to 8.1, like music listening and QR scanning.

[Mr. Scratch]

I'll download it when it's actually stable, so in about 2 years or so.

[Flachbau]

I never had a problem with the preview builds, so I doubt I'd have a problem with the real deal. I'm running the 640 and everything is working smoothly. I could really get used to this ecosystem

[AzO]

I had problems with latest fast ring build on my L640, app crashes and general slow downs which were frustrating, but understandable since it was a preview product. Tried hard reset, clean install, same crap after a few days. When I realized that MS released the same build for public several days ago... that left me really confused. But I guess since they can sell 950/950XL with beta OS, so why not do this. What a bunch of walnuts. I rolled back to WP8.1 and use the phone happily ever after. The update app still tells me the public/official update is not ready and they are working with my career, but the odd thing is my phone is SIM-Free bought from Amazon. Sooo... the f*ck, MS? I'll wait for an official release and see if that somewhat fixed crash issues on my device, if not - I'll go back to WP8.1 again and use the phone before I get a new, possibly Android device.

 

I've been WP user since Lumia 800 and been screwed too many times by now, I've had it.

 

/rant

Edited March 25, 2016 by AzO

[Mr. Scratch]

W10 definitely has potential, they just gotta get their sh*t together and fix it.

[TJGM]

I had problems with latest fast ring build on my L640, app crashes and general slow downs which were frustrating, but understandable since it was a preview product. Tried hard reset, clean install, same crap after a few days. When I realized that MS released the same build for public several days ago... that left me really confused. But I guess since they can sell 950/950XL with beta OS, so why not do this. What a bunch of walnuts. I rolled back to WP8.1 and use the phone happily ever after. The update app still tells me the public/official update is not ready and they are working with my career, but the odd thing is my phone is SIM-Free bought from Amazon. Sooo... the f*ck, MS? I'll wait for an official release and see if that somewhat fixed crash issues on my device, if not - I'll go back to WP8.1 again and use the phone before I get a new, possibly Android device.

 

I've been WP user since Lumia 800 and been screwed too many times by now, I've had it.

 

/rant

When did you try out the latest version on the fast ring? If it was yesterday or today, then you weren't on the build released to the public, you were on one of the Redstone builds which released to all devices (excluding the x2x phones of course) yesterday.

[DEALUX]

Oh my god I f*cking hate the sound problems on Windows 10. The sound is f*cking f*cked, distorted to sh*t and while for a while I was able to temporarily fix it by installing newer Realtek HD audio drivers, nowadays it is completely broken with no solution in sight. Google is useless for this too.

 

I am thinking of getting an external audio device and say goodbye to onboard audio forever but who is to say I won't have the exact same problem with an external device as well? Couple this issue with the fact that now every time my monitor turns off, either by locking my computer or timeout, my PC goes to a frozen state after a few hours where I have to shut it down in order to make it usable again. I mean what the f*ck is this sh*t? I have never had such egregious issues with a Windows operating system before. I don't even know if downgrading to Windows 7 is possible (I have a Windows 10 license) or desirable at this point.

 

f*ck Windows 10.

 

Edit: I installed the Gigabyte version of the audio driver and I'm not noticing any more distortion. I don't even know if the driver has anything to do with it. This bug occurs at random and all fixes seem to be placebos.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Kristian.

[sivispacem]

Try a USB or S/PDIF (Toslink) device. I've got a DAC I output to over S/PDIF which handles all of the digital to analogue conversion and I never have issues with static or poor quality output.

 

Though it sounds to me like it could be a grounding issue in the case. The freezing on resuming from hibernation can usually be mitigated by disabling hibernation. It can cause all sorts of freezes and issues.

[DEALUX]

I have my eyes on this device: https://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2

I'm planning to use it for music production and recording. It's the one that Imageline recommends for FL Studio if you're relatively new to music production and don't intend to spend too much money on your gear.

 

Do you mean grounding issue regarding the sound bug? I'm pretty sure the distortion is all digital\software. If you are familiar with DAWs, it sounds exactly like the distortion you get when your CPU is overused when you have too many sounds playing at the same time in a DAW. Weirdly enough it is most noticeable in some songs when kick drums are the main thing you hear but it happens in songs with no percussion instruments as well. Weirdly enough I have yet to experience distorted sounds in games. It definitely sounds like a software\driver issue.

 

I am actually only getting a freeze (proved by no SSD\HDD activity) upon locking my PC or monitor timeout after an hour or two of inactivity. Sleep works fine without any issues like freezing. I am not sure what you mean by disabling hibernation. It is disabled by default on Windows 10. Sleep is a hybrid of hibernate and the old "stand-by" mode to my knowledge (if I unplug my PC in a sleep state it resumes to its previous state when I power it on again). Do you mean disabling the hibernate component of sleep mode? Is that possible or even related to my issue? I'm only getting a freeze while most of the components are supposed to be operating (i.e. not in a sleep state).

[sivispacem]

I've got no experience with the Focusrite stuff but based on the hardware specs it seems pretty cool.

 

Misread your your first post- it's odd to see restoration issues resuming from sleep unless resuming from a hybrid sleep. The Hibernation issues are typically caused by failing to copy the hiberfil.sys file back into RAM correctly but that's only applicable to actual hibernation or hybrid sleep. I think hybrid sleep is enabled by default, you could try disabling it? Also worth noting that the default power settings will send a locked and/or inactive system to sleep automatically.

 

I wonder if it's a manifestation of some kind of power issue? Sleep works by continuing to maintain a minimal level of power to RAM, and if anything interrupts this resuming will be impossible.

 

It could also be an issue with a particular hardware device. Have you tried disabling the "allow the computer to turn off the device to save power" and/or enabling "allow the device to wake the computer" for all input devices? Also might be worth checking if there's a BIOS setting which messes with the way the suspended state works? Some have a "suspend to RAM" function enabled by default that might cause unpredictable behaviour if a Windows update tweaks how the sleep state works in any way. You might mitigate this by updating your BIOS and/or chipset driver.

[DEALUX]

I just tested sleep mode and it works flawlessly. I can wake my PC up by pressing a keyboard or mouse button. I also unplugged my PC and plugged it in again and hybrid sleep works fine as well. This isn't a surprise. It worked well before. My issue is specifically with locking and monitor timeout. Both freeze my PC up after 1 hour or 2 and no, my PC doesn't go to sleep when idle for too long. I think I disabled that option on the day that I bought and set-up my PC. The freeze occurs while the computer is still running and the screen is off or PC is locked. When I return to it, both the fans and LEDs are still running but the computer is frozen. I know it's not sleeping because the sleep state is indistinguishable from a shut down state (no fans, no lights, etc).

 

All peripherals are enabled to wake up the PC and the option to turn them off to save power is greyed out (it would be stupid to be able to turn them off if you're using them to wake up the computer). I'll check the BIOS settings but again, my issue is with locking\timeout, not with sleep (BIOS settings are only for sleep AFAIK). I am also going to install the newest chipset drivers and test things out tomorrow.

[sivispacem]

I really can't understand why the monitor timing out after X period of time would cause a full system hang. From the monitor perspective there's no difference between a 15 minute inactivity timeout which has just enabled, and one that's been on for an hour.

 

Is it actually freezing, or is the monitor just failing to wake up from standby? The latter sounds to me like a driver issue but I've got genuinely no idea why the first might take place.

[DEALUX]

I am quite certain that it is freezing. I left video renders running and videos uploading on YouTube and they were supposed to be done by the time I got back, but they weren't. There was also no SSD activity even though the PC was still running (the red LED wasn't flickering at all, which it should do even in idle with no programs running). Judging by how far the YT upload progress got when I last experienced a freeze like this, it occurs 1-2 hours after a lock or monitor timeout (actually even less since it happened while I was taking a shower once). Weirdly enough it doesn't occur if I just lock it for a few minutes.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Kristian.

[sivispacem]

You could try disabling monitor powering off entirely and seeing if it freezes after 1-2 hours inactivity anyway?

 

One of my older systems would freeze randomly during periods of inactivity but it was also freezing about as frequently outside of those periods. Turned out to be a dud RAM stick causing it.