This is exactly why you SHOULD enable passive mode when...

[Sagrawa]

 

 

 

If you see nothing wrong with this then I see nothing wrong with having invincible zentornos, glitching money, griefing you with a jet/tank or using any other exploit. Exploit because that's exactly what it is, you're exploiting what passive mode is actually there for.

 

 

 

I always said that I don't agree with any kinds of feature abuse.

 

Abusing other players with Passive Mode like the stories shared earlier is bad.

 

Abusing Zentorno to shoot reverse to grief is bad.

 

But using Passive Mode to deliver HPV? Why not? It's not disturbing other players. He got the car first, and so? Does it hurt other players who are slower to grab it?

 

Using Passive Mode to take crate? Why not? In PS3/X360, the user can't even take out gun to kill NPC; they're running more risk in getting killed. In PS4/X1, they can take out gun, but only to kill NPC, not fellow players trying to grab it. So none of them are actually gaining more advantage. What's the problem then?

 

 

Ah...if you don't get it now you're never going to get it unfortunately.

 

 

 

Yeah. Maybe I'll never get what you mean.

 

But as long as I don't disturb other players, I'm totally fine.

 

You can judge me, calling me pussy or whatever for using Passive Mode while I do nothing to disturb or grief other players.

 

 

I can see you are not out to annoy others for the fun of it.....But you are actually disturbing other players when you use PM for something that is intended to be battled for by everyone in the session. You take away part of the game from others by doing so.

I don't mind people walking around in PM all day long, as long they don't go into battles with other players where it gives an unfair advantage.

[Biggie Kaniff]

 

 

just gotta block simeons door with my car and i get the last laugh anyway.

Or...you know.....leave them alone? Just a wild idea.

nah bro. i want the HPV too and if they're stopping me from getting it, i'll stop them from delivering it.

[CrazyHandz]

My goodness I haven't seen this many heated GTAF members since the thread about Lizard Squad.

 

Quite entertaining.

[Ghoffman9]

Passive mode was a feature meant to used when you don't want to be bothered by other players and do your own thing.

However doing things like taking the HPV, hitting Armored Trucks, attempt to take a crate are things designed to create conflict between players in mind. They want you to compete with each other to complete these objectives, and turning on Passive to cheat and avoid said conflict is an exploit, it is very obvious that is not how Rockstar intended passive mode to be used.

Its supposed to be used when you either have to leave the controller for a moment or when you just want to do your own thing without being harassed, not to be abused to steal objectives unfairly and stripping the other players in the server of any chance of stealing the objective from you for themselves. Everyone is suppose to have a fair shake at the objective.

To attempt to complete any such objective in of itself is acknowledgement that players will show up and attempt to kill you to complete the objective themselves. If you don't want to be killed by other players then don't attempt to complete events that have player conflict mind, trying to complete these objectives is counterproductive to that goal.

Any person attempting these objective knows full well what doing so entails and should be prepared to defend themselves, not turn on passive and prevent any conflict from taking place. Its an exploit end of story, and its only a matter of time till Rockstar patches said exploit cause that is not how they intended passive to be used.

 

Its clear Rockstar wants players to steal the HPV from each other based on two facts.

 

1. The location of the HPV is shown to you at all times, even when a player is currently driving it.

2. The game spams you with notifications when the HPV has been taken and by whom. Why else would the game do this than to try and encourage you to steal it for yourself?

 

Off doing your own thing such as just driving around, delivering vehicles for Simeon that are not HPVS, to prevent being spawn killed in a tank, among other things is perfectly fine to turn Passive on for.

However turning on Passive to prevent yourself from being killed during any sort of event where all players are meant to have a fair chance at completing, events that are meant to have players clash with one another, situations like that is exploitive to turn on passive for.

 

If you want to complete objectives without getting killed then simply get better at the game and fend off any who attempt to take you out, don't be a cheap loser and turn on passive so you don't have to fight over the objective the true and fair way. If you got better you would not feel the need to abuse passive in the first place to complete objectives.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[Sagrawa]

Passive mode was a feature meant to used when you don't want to be bothered by other players and do your own thing.

However doing things like taking the HPV, hitting Armored Trucks, attempt to take a crate are things designed to create conflict between players in mind. They want you to compete with each other to complete these objectives, and turning on Passive to cheat and avoid said conflict is an exploit, it is very obvious that is not how Rockstar intended passive mode to be used.

Its supposed to be used when you either have to leave the controller for a moment or when you just want to do your own thing without being harassed, not to be abused to steal objectives unfairly and stripping the other players in the server of any chance of stealing the objective from you for themselves. Everyone is suppose to have a fair shake at the objective.

To attempt to complete any such objective in of itself is acknowledgement that players will show up and attempt to kill you to complete the objective themselves. If you don't want to be killed by other players, trying to complete these objectives is counterproductive to that goal.

Any person attempting these objective knows full well what doing so entails and should be prepared to defend themselves, not turn on passive and prevent any conflict from taking place. Its an exploit end of story, and its only a matter of time till Rockstar patches said exploit cause that is not how they intended passive to be used.

 

Off doing your own thing such as just driving around, delivering vehicles for Simeon that are not HPVS, to prevent being spawn killed in a tank, among other things is perfectly fine to turn Passive on for.

However turning on Passive to prevent yourself from being killed during any sort of event where all players are meant to have a fair chance at completing, events that are meant to have players clash with one another, situations like that is exploitive to turn on passive for.

 

If you want to complete objectives without getting killed then simply get better at the game and fend off any who attempt to take you out, to be a cheap loser and turn on passive so you don't have to fight over the objective the true and fair way. If you got better you would not feel the need to abuse passive in the first place to complete objectives.

 

Very well put, Ghoffman9!

[soundism]

^^ well said. I wish I could like it twice

[Glass Cloud]

Not sure so many people are against this. Either you go in passive and get the car or you don't and some tool blows it up and no one gets it.

[MaceTheDon]

 

...delivering a High Profile Vehicle.

 

 

Also to those who complain about it, just remember that it's there for everyone to utilize to their advantage, which I myself demonstrated perfectly in this video imo, if I weren't to go into passive mode, I'd almost certainly be killed by the explosives &/or the gunfire at the end.

& I'm sure many would make the point that, that's where the fun lies in this & that passive mode only serves to kill that fun, which is true for the person trying to steal the HPV, whereas the same thing certainly can't be said about the person trying to deliver the HPV, that's for damn sure.

what a douche move. shoot shoot shoot...kill kill kill..... PASSIVE MODE!!!!!

 

You are the kind of person that ruins the online gaming experience.

 

Step it up and grow some balls.....

 

Did you not see what happened at the end, If I were to grow some balls as you so nicely put it, I'd be dead & the vehicle would've been destroyed.

[SaltyGTAFMember]

 

 

...delivering a High Profile Vehicle.

 

 

Also to those who complain about it, just remember that it's there for everyone to utilize to their advantage, which I myself demonstrated perfectly in this video imo, if I weren't to go into passive mode, I'd almost certainly be killed by the explosives &/or the gunfire at the end.

& I'm sure many would make the point that, that's where the fun lies in this & that passive mode only serves to kill that fun, which is true for the person trying to steal the HPV, whereas the same thing certainly can't be said about the person trying to deliver the HPV, that's for damn sure.

what a douche move. shoot shoot shoot...kill kill kill..... PASSIVE MODE!!!!!

 

You are the kind of person that ruins the online gaming experience.

 

Step it up and grow some balls.....

 

Did you not see what happened at the end, If I were to grow some balls as you so nicely put it, I'd be dead & the vehicle would've been destroyed.

 

So you killed that person minding his own business then act like you dont want anything to stop you.

[Ghoffman9]

 

 

...delivering a High Profile Vehicle.

 

 

Also to those who complain about it, just remember that it's there for everyone to utilize to their advantage, which I myself demonstrated perfectly in this video imo, if I weren't to go into passive mode, I'd almost certainly be killed by the explosives &/or the gunfire at the end.

& I'm sure many would make the point that, that's where the fun lies in this & that passive mode only serves to kill that fun, which is true for the person trying to steal the HPV, whereas the same thing certainly can't be said about the person trying to deliver the HPV, that's for damn sure.

what a douche move. shoot shoot shoot...kill kill kill..... PASSIVE MODE!!!!!

 

You are the kind of person that ruins the online gaming experience.

 

Step it up and grow some balls.....

 

Did you not see what happened at the end, If I were to grow some balls as you so nicely put it, I'd be dead & the vehicle would've been destroyed.

 

Well so what if you die? Those are the breaks, I lost HPVS before and did not make a big deal out of it, and nor did I try to cheat when my death was imminent. Besides most HPVS don't give you a whole lot of money except for one or two vehicles, and you get more money from doing missions.

I only ever bother with HPV when I am bored in a Free Roam and got nothing to do atm.

 

People are bashing you cause you killed a guy that "was minding his own business" then immediately turned on passive to prevent him from returning the favor and taking the HPV back. The phrase "The only ones who should kill are the ones prepared to be killed" comes to my mind with this situation.

You knew the guy would be looking for revenge and take his HPV back so you cheaply opted out and turned on passive. You denied him his right to have a chance of stealing it back from you as you did from him.

 

When he saw you coming he left Passive off as any true gamer would and fought to keep control of the HPV, he could have easily turned it on as well at any time but refused to do so to give you a fair chance at taking it for yourself only to have his good sportsmanship thrown in his face and got snuffed when you turned on passive.

 

Also I had people plant sticky bombs at the door before, I always do the smart thing and either kill the guy who put them there or shoot them to make them explode before pulling in to deliver.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Ghoffman9

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Using passive mode to get crates is fine, as you can still get killed by the NPCs and anyone else can still get to the crate as long as they are fast/first. Using it for HPV is not fine. Noone can take it from you, which defeats the point of it. "First come, first serve" is bull too - you're meant to fight for it. If you want it that bad, go Invite only. Don't stoop to exploiting a game mechanic and trying to defend yourself; it doesn't work. The only time I agree with the pussy mode insult is in this case, because it is a pussy move.

[MaceTheDon]

So you killed that person minding his own business then act like you dont want anything to stop you.

 

Well so what if you die? Those are the breaks, I lost HPVS before and did not make a big deal out of it, and nor did I try to cheat when my death was imminent. Besides most HPVS don't give you a whole lot of money except for one or two vehicles, and you get more money from doing missions.

I only ever bother with HPV when I am bored in a Free Roam and got nothing to do atm.

 

People are bashing you cause you killed a guy that "was minding his own business" then immediately turned on passive to prevent him from returning the favor and taking the HPV back. The phrase "The only ones who should kill are the ones prepared to be killed" comes to my mind with this situation.

You knew the guy would be looking for revenge and take his HPV back so you cheaply opted out and turned on passive. You denied him his right to have a chance of stealing it back from you as you did from him.

 

When he saw you coming he left Passive off as any true gamer would and fought to keep control of the HPV, he could have easily turned it on as well at any time but refused to do so to give you a fair chance at taking it for yourself only to have his good sportsmanship thrown in his face and got snuffed when you turned on passive.

 

Well that's the point of this whole thread.

[Ghoffman9]

The quickest and easiest solution to this exploit is that if you're in the HPV and you turn on passive the game forcefully ejects you from the vehicle and you cannot enter it and remain in the vehicle unless passive is turned off and remains off.

[MaceTheDon]

Using passive mode to get crates is fine, as you can still get killed by the NPCs and anyone else can still get to the crate as long as they are fast/first. Using it for HPV is not fine. Noone can take it from you, which defeats the point of it. "First come, first serve" is bull too - you're meant to fight for it. If you want it that bad, go Invite only. Don't stoop to exploiting a game mechanic and trying to defend yourself; it doesn't work. The only time I agree with the pussy mode insult is in this case, because it is a pussy move.

Except everyone can use it legitimately, hardly exploiting.

[8up local]

lmao at passive haters. tell you guys what just go out in FR once and try and find ways to kill people while you're in passive. it can be done and is quite fun actually.

[Glass Cloud]

The thing is. It's impossible to get into a full lobby and deliver the car without some griefer blowing it up. There's literally no way to fight for it and someone get the money unless there's only a few people in the lobby or it's invite only. Aside from that 100% of the time some dick will blow it up just to be a dick.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Glass Cloud

[Ghoffman9]

 

Using passive mode to get crates is fine, as you can still get killed by the NPCs and anyone else can still get to the crate as long as they are fast/first. Using it for HPV is not fine. Noone can take it from you, which defeats the point of it. "First come, first serve" is bull too - you're meant to fight for it. If you want it that bad, go Invite only. Don't stoop to exploiting a game mechanic and trying to defend yourself; it doesn't work. The only time I agree with the pussy mode insult is in this case, because it is a pussy move.

Except everyone can use it legitimately, hardly exploiting.

 

²ex·ploit

verb \ik-ˈsplȯit, ˈek-ˌ\

: to get value or use from (something)

: to use (someone or something) in a way that helps you unfairly

 

Sounds like an exploit to me, you're abusing a mechanic in way not originally intended to have an unfair advantage over others.

The fact that anyone can do it has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is not the point.

 

Anybody can also hack the games they play to get unfair advantages over other players in the games they play, it does not make it any less unfair.

 

Its an exploit as you're doing something you're not supposed to be able to do and abusing a mechanic in the game in a way not intended to make yourself invincible so that no one can kill you to steal an objective. To exploit means to use something in an unintended way to get an unfair advantage over others, so yes it is an exploit. Paint it in whatever light you want, it does not change this fact.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Ghoffman9

[~TKP~]

my game, my passive mode. I follow the TOA's R* set out and I only use tools R* give me, they put the option in game so I avail of it's positives. Passive HPV's FTW

Edited January 17, 2015 by ~TKP~

[Nutduster]

Not sure so many people are against this. Either you go in passive and get the car or you don't and some tool blows it up and no one gets it.

 

Nah. I've delivered the HPV many dozens of times, most of them on last gen, which meant passive mode wasn't helpful at all (not that I ever turned it on). Many times I delivered it because no one else was after it anyway. Many other times I delivered it even with someone trying to prevent me from doing so, or steal the car. It was hard sometimes, but also very fun - outrunning them, blowing them up, shooting out their tires to make them crash, going off-radar and parking the car so I could kill them when they rolled up and didn't realize I'd left the vehicle. There are all sorts of strategies to get the job done.

 

Yes, sometimes the trolls will win. And if they beat you to the garage, it's hard to get past them (especially now with prox mines). But I'd rather have those dilemmas than the instant-win ghost mode. It just sucks the fun out of it.

 

If they want to make the HPV harder to troll, I would rather they disable passive mode and just add another 1-2 garage locations that are either optional (you can take the car to any one of them) or random (it picks a different garage each time, and you don't know which one until you're driving the HPV with no wanted level, after the respray). That would force people to at least chase you and not just go to a location and set a trap.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Nutduster

[Anox]

OP, we all know you only turned on passive mode cause you were scared he'd come for you. 99% of the time you deliver cars you don't turn on passive mode. You just turn it on after killing someone, because you're happy to dish things out, but you can't take them.

 

Standard passive mode bitch.

[Shootinalloveryourface]

just gotta block simeons door with my car and i get the last laugh anyway.

Good idea, this works?

 

Are there any other methods on how to stop new gen passive HPVs? Saw one yesterday and it pissed me off.

 

I read about the trailer method but that's hard to sort out in a rush

[fw3]

You know it's a noob when he still deliver Simeon's HPV to make money.

Sounds more like your sarcasm has tainted your experience of the actual "game."

 

Some of us – who are not noobs and have plenty of money – still find selling cars to Simeon, especially when being chased, to be an exhilarating and fun aspect of the game.

 

There's more to the game than just shooting non-engaging players from the back of your Zentorno.

 

Oh, and GO New England Patriots!!!

 

 

[Dumb guy]

 

he tactically won using passive lol

 

Yeah, pushing X button to turn on passive os so TACTICAL.... man, in reality you would die after 2 seconds if a war broke out

 

Says the man from Poland. HAHAHAHA. Halal Cyborg would last longer than your countries entire armed forces did in the last war they were involved.

 

It is tactical. Doesn't matter how many steps it takes.

Again. The logic is strong in you.

[SilkRiver2648]

this is now the boo [email protected]*king hoo thread. Everyone taking this game too seriously. It wont be stopped until R* decides to do something about it. Untill then, eat sh!#

[Biggie Kaniff]

 

just gotta block simeons door with my car and i get the last laugh anyway.

Good idea, this works?

 

Are there any other methods on how to stop new gen passive HPVs? Saw one yesterday and it pissed me off.

 

I read about the trailer method but that's hard to sort out in a rush

yeah man just park your car close to the garage door. the door wont open for the HPV driver then. works at LSC too

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this is now the boo [email protected]*king hoo thread. Everyone taking this game too seriously. It wont be stopped until R* decides to do something about it. Untill then, eat sh!#

Irony; You seem the most upset in this thread so far.

[The Leprechaun]

The rules I play by when it comes to the HPV are pretty simple.

 

Let others have a chance at taking the HPV, unless the rare circumstance in which I need it for an award, money, or RP level badly (never happened, but there could be situations like this).

 

If I notice someone by the docks before I even get respraying, I will just put a bomb on it.

 

If you don't take try to take the HPV before I get to the island, and I notice you by the garage or feel like someone is there, then I will turn on passive. If you are going to camp, then you don't deserve it or my death.

 

To me passive should be off, but there are situations that I can see the reason to use it though (until patched). The OP clearly used the exploit level of this tactic, which is as bad as anyone blowing it up by the garage, you're both griefing (just doing it different ways). Mostly, people are going to be a**hats no matter what rules you use for yourself, and the best advice is, deal with it.

Edited January 17, 2015 by The Leprechaun

[gawel772]

 

 

he tactically won using passive lol

Yeah, pushing X button to turn on passive os so TACTICAL.... man, in reality you would die after 2 seconds if a war broke out

 

Says the man from Poland. HAHAHAHA. Halal Cyborg would last longer than your countries entire armed forces did in the last war they were involved.

 

It is tactical. Doesn't matter how many steps it takes.

Again. The logic is strong in you.

 

you are stu*id

Edited January 17, 2015 by gawel772

[deadx23]

 

 

just gotta block simeons door with my car and i get the last laugh anyway.

Good idea, this works?

Are there any other methods on how to stop new gen passive HPVs? Saw one yesterday and it pissed me off.

I read about the trailer method but that's hard to sort out in a rush

yeah man just park your car close to the garage door. the door wont open for the HPV driver then. works at LSC too Gets HPV goes passive go to LSC gets ignition bomb goes to blocked door gets off moves car that is blocking door other player gets in HPV win Edited January 17, 2015 by deadx23

[fakebasedjo]

It really saddens me to see that there are people in support of the OP. Passive mode should be used only when you are being PASSIVE, as in trying to get away from other players when you have no intention in gaining anything, or if you are AFK. In which case I say go ahead, by all means. I'm 100% sure Rockstar did not intend for Passive mode to be used this way. If you're going to have to resort to exploiting a game's feature in order to make about $5k, then you're better off finding another game. There's absolutely nothing tactical or smart about using passive mode to get a HPV. As others above me have said, HPV's were intended to incite conflict between players, allowing for a fun and thrilling experience. Not for people to turn on Passive mode because they're too afraid to handle a firefight. That completely contradicts GTAO's entire theme. Being in support of this is exactly like supporting those who like to use the Zentorno exploit or money glitches.