passive mode is basically cheating

[CountySheriff]

Just fricken enjoy the game and stop complaining because if it does get changed, I better not see you complaining when people keep killing you, and YOU want to go in passive.

[Halal Cyborg]

I am a non violent player and try not being passive but people kill me for no reason.

I do missions solo etc on hard but in freeroam I just don't see the point.

[gawel772]

Just fricken enjoy the game and stop complaining because if it does get changed, I better not see you complaining when people keep killing you, and YOU want to go in passive.

The only people who will complain about any change are the people who are abusing passive now.

[Nutduster]

Just fricken enjoy the game and stop complaining because if it does get changed, I better not see you complaining when people keep killing you, and YOU want to go in passive.

 

If I've just been killing them, I won't be complaining. The argument is simple: if you're going to fight with people, you should fight. If you're going to want to go passive, then leave the area or just sit still and go passive. Basically you would be choosing to either be passive or be active, and violent. The only people abusing this feature (aside from arguably the people using it to chase objectives) are griefers and would-be warriors who use it "tactically." But I don't believe that pressing a button that makes you invincible until you turn it off again is a tactic. It requires no skill and very little thought to use, and the power of it is absolute. It's simply not good game design from that standpoint. And since people who are using it to gain an advantage are in the same lobbies as people using it legitimately, you have to find a way to differentiate the two groups - or just allow the game to suffer and be annoying to many of its most loyal players.

Edited January 16, 2015 by Nutduster

[zoso80]

Nutduster,

 

No matter what improvements or "improvements" happen in the game, there will always be abuse of it. Bank on that. As said upthread using passive is a tactic that some use to throw off people who want to straight up PVP. Is it right? I'm not one to say, after all this is sandbox game. In this environment it promotes a wide range of tactics - above board and below.

 

The ultimate recognition falls upon you, the player to adjust your tactics. I still run into people trying to blow me away in passive. I just smile and think, 'what a maroon.'

 

Your opinion of being broke I disagree with. Players find ways to manipulate situations. Remember that the buzzard copilot could take control of weapons while the buzzard pilot and buzzard itself was in passive? R* didn't intend that and it got fixed.

 

What's your proposal - red dots = no passive availability? A five minute cooldown between uses similar to muggers? I'm not sure I'd support either. I use passive just as a way to watch the machismo types go at it then drive up and grab their cash they leave on the ground after they die. I've accidentally kicked myself out of passive. It would be sh*tty to me personally to have to wait 5 minutes to get back into it.

[Dinlee]

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're going to keep playing a game that is clearly far too advanced for you, probably best you stop crying every time you see someone in passive. Might make it a bit more enjoyable for you. In the meantime, I'll keep using passive knowing how much it annoys you and your ilk and laughing my head off whilst I play. Peace!

 

 

I don't give one solitary f*ck about passive mode when people are using it correctly (that is, to be passive). I only get pissed when people slaughter half the lobby for ten minutes in a Lazer, crash or get shot down, and then go passive immediately. If this concept is too "advanced" for your tiny brain, maybe you should shut off your computer right now and stop talking to grown-ups who are capable of understanding ideas more complex than "PASSIVE MODE GOOD" or "PASSIVE MODE BAD." It can be both. It can be a decent feature that also has problems and needs improvements.

 

 

Go passive yourself and you won't be slaughtered or use some basic understanding of where players are to not put yourself in vunerable positions. It's hardly difficult to do in this extremely simple game. I'll use it how I see fit, I suggest you do the same as others clearly do or stick to private sessions.

 

 

I use passive myself when I want to be passive - when I want to sell cars or whatever and don't feel like fighting, or when I'm AFK. Or when a Lazer is going on strafing runs. I use passive mode and I have no problem with it in general. I DO have a problem with using it to win otherwise-fair fights or as a tool to protect griefers from consequences. If you don't see how using passive in this way is a huge pussy move, then you're an idiot, full stop. It needs to be fixed, it's easy to fix, and you have NO good argument against it.

 

 

 

 

No, I don't have any obligation to accept it. It's perfectly within my rights to dislike it, talk about it here, and email Rockstar about it. Seems so obvious I can't believe I have to explain that fact - but this is what we're reduced to.

 

Now, do you see the problem with your argument? "Free" roam could be used to justify literally any broken-ass game mechanic or exploitable loophole there is. "Don't like wall breachers? Well who cares, it's free roam!" "Don't like the new infinite ammo nuclear bomb weapon? Well who cares, it's FREE ROAM!" This is a stupid and piss-poor response to legitimate problems in the game.

 

I don't want them to take away passive or make free roam more like a deathmatch. I just want the game to offer cowards fewer escape hatches from their own actions. If you are the kind of player that going to turn free roam into a death match, then the game should have the decency to oblige you to play it like one. But if you want to just drive around and goof off, that's what passive mode should be for - and I believe that's what it was intended to be for. They just didn't fully think it through.

The part in bold is correct. I am glad you finally agree with me.

 

Nutduster -- I really don't know why you even both with AM30. He's clearly a troll who proves himself trollier with every comment. He's the same guy who argued in my Passive HPV thread that it was a flawless system (for trolling).

 

Generally Furry Monkey isn't so trolly but I guess he's making a stand today.

 

You need to accept that the GTA community is by and large a bunch of uneducated mooks who have no marketable traits and consequently never fully developed their brains. AM30 is a perfect example of this. His avatar, whether or not its actually him, might as well be a a family portrait hanging above the fire place. A Dumbf*ck Brit trash pounding beer and thinking how "clever" he is.

 

OT: Passive needs to be changed. 5 minute cool downs and disabling public activities would go a long way IMO

 

Edited January 16, 2015 by Dinlee

[OurJud]

So someone kills you and you can't kill them back? So bloody what?? Join another session, go to a different part of the map, go passive yourself, etc, etc, etc.

 

It's only a problem if you want it to be.

[Fonz]

Who let all the "hurr durr passive mode is for pussies lol pussy mode" dumbasses out of their dungeons? They're flooding the forum with stupid complaints about something they're not intelligent enough to deal with.
If you don't want to be trolled by passive players, go passive yourself and stop looking for battles in free roam. Nobody cares about your petty little grievances about not being able to annoy players who want nothing to do with your retarded mayhem. Plus, R* has already created a mode for fighting; adjusting combat mechanics in free roam is probably irrelevant to them. As it should be.

[luisniko]

Cheating? No.

 

Abused? Yes.

 

Can I say Zentorno reverse shooter are cheater? No. It's a feature being abused.

[Gaffa]

 

He's cheating in a game that has no rules! Amazing how many hackers/glitchers/cheaters there are in this game(!) Heck, I'm probably cheating in some way as I'm currently idling in passive whilst I write this! These people make me laugh and despair at the same time.

 

OP, the dude was in a tank - eitehr go off radar if you want to take it out or just stay clear of the slowest moving object inthe game. it's hardly difficult, especially now that Rockstar will hold your hand and give you a special little symbol for a tank.

 

 

Pretty sure there are "rules", it's called a code of conduct. And the Dump is actually the slowest moving object in the game.

 

...

 

Anyway, how about a "Sorry, Pegasus vehicles aren't available at this time. You must disable Passive Mode in order to request a Pegasus vehicle".

 

In addition to "oh this crate drop must be glitched, I can't seem to pick it up" with the non-passive player running in and grabbing it without an issue.

 

My two gripes with Passive mode. The other gripe is when people go away in their apartment to see where you're actually hiding with your bounty, come out and drive to your location, climb up/ get to where you are, and then after waiting a random time (Pi minus 3.7x10 to the power of -45) disable passive whilst your looking through your scope or whatever, only to kill you and win the bounty.

 

People have often said "life's not fair"... They're wrong. Life can be fair, but the people in it prevent it from being so.

[Halal Cyborg]

disabling public activities?

 

Lol

 

Like what?

 

getting your haircut?

[gawel772]

 

Just fricken enjoy the game and stop complaining because if it does get changed, I better not see you complaining when people keep killing you, and YOU want to go in passive.

 

If I've just been killing them, I won't be complaining. The argument is simple: if you're going to fight with people, you should fight. If you're going to want to go passive, then leave the area or just sit still and go passive. Basically you would be choosing to either be passive or be active, and violent. The only people abusing this feature (aside from arguably the people using it to chase objectives) are griefers and would-be warriors who use it "tactically." But I don't believe that pressing a button that makes you invincible until you turn it off again is a tactic. It requires no skill and very little thought to use, and the power of it is absolute. It's simply not good game design from that standpoint. And since people who are using it to gain an advantage are in the same lobbies as people using it legitimately, you have to find a way to differentiate the two groups - or just allow the game to suffer and be annoying to many of its most loyal players.

 

Nutduster, I support what you are saying, I have slightly different solutions to fix passive, but generally I support you. We should make some internet petition/voting (like the on when people where voting for gta V for PC) to attract attention of Rockstar, because If we talk only here, and give good solutions, Rockstar will never fix it properly. Rockstar always makes a lot of things, a lot of ideas, but never good enough.

Edited January 16, 2015 by gawel772

[Halal Cyborg]

the new passive from my perspective is awesome as it means no c*nts kill me for no reason...it's only bad from the perspective of people that think this is GTA modern warfare

[TheKingChivas]

I'm not a fan of passive mode in general, but as long as it exists, what you use it for is fair game. You can't pick and choose when passive mode is or isn't acceptable.

 

Now, personally, I don't like the passive mode/HPV thing, but more power to whoever figured out it worked. With crate drops, I will occasionally use PM as a strategy, but with crate drops, you trade passive vs. players for being defenseless vs. NPCs. If people just waited for the NPCs to kill the PM player instead of doing the PM player a favor by taking them out, it wouldn't be so easy to grab one in passive. But sorry, it's not cheating.

[Nutduster]

Nutduster,

 

No matter what improvements or "improvements" happen in the game, there will always be abuse of it. Bank on that. As said upthread using passive is a tactic that some use to throw off people who want to straight up PVP. Is it right? I'm not one to say, after all this is sandbox game. In this environment it promotes a wide range of tactics - above board and below.

 

The ultimate recognition falls upon you, the player to adjust your tactics. I still run into people trying to blow me away in passive. I just smile and think, 'what a maroon.'

 

Your opinion of being broke I disagree with. Players find ways to manipulate situations. Remember that the buzzard copilot could take control of weapons while the buzzard pilot and buzzard itself was in passive? R* didn't intend that and it got fixed.

 

What's your proposal - red dots = no passive availability? A five minute cooldown between uses similar to muggers? I'm not sure I'd support either. I use passive just as a way to watch the machismo types go at it then drive up and grab their cash they leave on the ground after they die. I've accidentally kicked myself out of passive. It would be sh*tty to me personally to have to wait 5 minutes to get back into it.

 

My proposal is simple and was posted earlier in the thread. A cooldown (I suggest 5 minutes, but maybe you think that's too long - I could go as low as 2 minutes) after killing another player, before you can use passive. In other words, if you're going to treat free roam like a death match, you shouldn't have an escape hatch to use whenever you want. Fair is fair. Kill someone, they have a few minutes to try to kill you back.

 

For the record, I don't think passive is "broken." I was saying that the argument that "it's free roam" excuses anything no matter how broken it is. Passive mode is just abusable and exploitable.

 

Finally, I don't find your first argument compelling. Yes, players will always find loopholes and ways to game the system. GTA is more prone to that than most games because it's not designed to be very balanced and it's a complicated game with lots of features and abilities. Nonetheless, I don't see that as a reason to not try to improve it - especially when a proposed improvement is dead simple to implement and should affect almost no one who uses the feature legitimately. People who just want to cruise around and not get killed would barely even notice the change, because they're already not killing other players. To me this idea seems like a no-brainer, and the folks here who vehemently oppose it are trying to read motives into my argument that don't exist.

[Fonz]

 

 

He's cheating in a game that has no rules! Amazing how many hackers/glitchers/cheaters there are in this game(!) Heck, I'm probably cheating in some way as I'm currently idling in passive whilst I write this! These people make me laugh and despair at the same time.

 

OP, the dude was in a tank - eitehr go off radar if you want to take it out or just stay clear of the slowest moving object inthe game. it's hardly difficult, especially now that Rockstar will hold your hand and give you a special little symbol for a tank.

 

 

Pretty sure there are "rules", it's called a code of conduct. And the Dump is actually the slowest moving object in the game.

 

...

 

Anyway, how about a "Sorry, Pegasus vehicles aren't available at this time. You must disable Passive Mode in order to request a Pegasus vehicle".

 

In addition to "oh this crate drop must be glitched, I can't seem to pick it up" with the non-passive player running in and grabbing it without an issue.

 

My two gripes with Passive mode. The other gripe is when people go away in their apartment to see where you're actually hiding with your bounty, come out and drive to your location, climb up/ get to where you are, and then after waiting a random time (Pi minus 3.7x10 to the power of -45) disable passive whilst your looking through your scope or whatever, only to kill you and win the bounty.

 

People have often said "life's not fair"... They're wrong. Life can be fair, but the people in it prevent it from being so.

 

It's your fault for letting them get that close to you and staying there with them. Maybe open your eyes next time and move?

[zoso80]

 

I'm inclined to go with this. The CODoody types often get so caught up in their freemode grievances, they forget they have a mode JUST for fighting. Why not use it? Passive isn't an option in Deathmatches as far as I know.

 

If you want a fight, go there. If someone is being a nuisance and offending you with their gameplay, drive away from them, find a new lobby or go in passive yourself.

 

/thread

 

R* has already created a mode for fighting; adjusting combat mechanics in free roam is probably irrelevant to them. As it should be.

[Dinlee]

disabling public activities?

 

Lol

 

Like what?

 

getting your haircut?

 

HPVs, Kill Targets, Crate Drops etc

 

Why would haircuts and shopping be disabled?

 

Think before you speak. Or start up a PM with AM30 and enjoy all the mindless conversation you can stand.

[Fox2Quick]

Passive mode isn't cheating. It's just a tool people use to cheat.

[Nutduster]

I'm not a fan of passive mode in general, but as long as it exists, what you use it for is fair game. You can't pick and choose when passive mode is or isn't acceptable.

 

Now, personally, I don't like the passive mode/HPV thing, but more power to whoever figured out it worked. With crate drops, I will occasionally use PM as a strategy, but with crate drops, you trade passive vs. players for being defenseless vs. NPCs. If people just waited for the NPCs to kill the PM player instead of doing the PM player a favor by taking them out, it wouldn't be so easy to grab one in passive. But sorry, it's not cheating.

 

You absolutely can pick and choose when it's acceptable. It's easy for them to program cooldowns and to disable passive in some situations. You just said yourself that using it for the HPV is annoying (and I don't think it was intentional, I think they just overlooked the possibility). So would you oppose them disabling passive once you enter the HPV? If you would not oppose it, why is my suggestion all that different?

 

The one thing I am against is making features in the game too complicated. It becomes annoying and opens the possibility of bugs and exploits. But what I'm proposing is INCREDIBLY basic. It would take very little effort to code, and less for players to understand. Simply give them a popup message that says, "You just killed another player. You can't go passive for X:XX amount of time." And it counts down like any other in-game timer. They'll figure it out in a hurry, people will stop abusing it, and presto - the game just improved.

[Halal Cyborg]

 

 

disabling public activities?

 

Lol

 

Like what?

 

getting your haircut?

HPVs, Kill Targets, Crate Drops etc

 

Why would haircuts and shopping be disabled?

 

Think before you speak. Or start up a PM with AM30 and enjoy all the mindless conversation you can stand.

disabling kill targets for people in passive mode is a really good idea actually...so annoying when people in passive manage to shoot npcs...tis a regular occurrence.

 

my goodness I think I lost my one brain cell reading your post.

[TheKingChivas]

 

I'm not a fan of passive mode in general, but as long as it exists, what you use it for is fair game. You can't pick and choose when passive mode is or isn't acceptable.

 

Now, personally, I don't like the passive mode/HPV thing, but more power to whoever figured out it worked. With crate drops, I will occasionally use PM as a strategy, but with crate drops, you trade passive vs. players for being defenseless vs. NPCs. If people just waited for the NPCs to kill the PM player instead of doing the PM player a favor by taking them out, it wouldn't be so easy to grab one in passive. But sorry, it's not cheating.

 

You absolutely can pick and choose when it's acceptable. It's easy for them to program cooldowns and to disable passive in some situations. You just said yourself that using it for the HPV is annoying (and I don't think it was intentional, I think they just overlooked the possibility). So would you oppose them disabling passive once you enter the HPV? If you would not oppose it, why is my suggestion all that different?

 

The one thing I am against is making features in the game too complicated. It becomes annoying and opens the possibility of bugs and exploits. But what I'm proposing is INCREDIBLY basic. It would take very little effort to code, and less for players to understand. Simply give them a popup message that says, "You just killed another player. You can't go passive for X:XX amount of time." And it counts down like any other in-game timer. They'll figure it out in a hurry, people will stop abusing it, and presto - the game just improved.

 

 

We're making different points. Yours is you want passive changed. Mine is that, as it is, there's no right or wrong way to use it.

[zoso80]

That is fine you find my argument lacking. I reciprocate. A Mexican standoff perhaps?

 

I don't project any motives upon you other than recognize your annoyance at a perceived abuse. I find your solution alarming and could be disruptive to the R* intent of passive mode. Making 5 minute cooldowns would be akin to putting a choke chain on players who use it with no below board tactics. For this very reason, I cannot support your revised framework.

 

I recognize people abuse it and troll with it. Just like what was done with jets before the homing missile and the tank before that. Tanks got nerfed, jets got the homing missile - what is a reasonable compromise on passive? After your dot turns red passive becomes unavailable similar to a bounty? This I may be able to support.

 

It is still up to you to adjust your tactics, sometimes the best weapon against trolling or percieved abuses in this game is to walk away. Anything else feeds something you don't want to feed.

 

 

Nutduster,

 

No matter what improvements or "improvements" happen in the game, there will always be abuse of it. Bank on that. As said upthread using passive is a tactic that some use to throw off people who want to straight up PVP. Is it right? I'm not one to say, after all this is sandbox game. In this environment it promotes a wide range of tactics - above board and below.

 

The ultimate recognition falls upon you, the player to adjust your tactics. I still run into people trying to blow me away in passive. I just smile and think, 'what a maroon.'

 

Your opinion of being broke I disagree with. Players find ways to manipulate situations. Remember that the buzzard copilot could take control of weapons while the buzzard pilot and buzzard itself was in passive? R* didn't intend that and it got fixed.

 

What's your proposal - red dots = no passive availability? A five minute cooldown between uses similar to muggers? I'm not sure I'd support either. I use passive just as a way to watch the machismo types go at it then drive up and grab their cash they leave on the ground after they die. I've accidentally kicked myself out of passive. It would be sh*tty to me personally to have to wait 5 minutes to get back into it.

 

My proposal is simple and was posted earlier in the thread. A cooldown (I suggest 5 minutes, but maybe you think that's too long - I could go as low as 2 minutes) after killing another player, before you can use passive. In other words, if you're going to treat free roam like a death match, you shouldn't have an escape hatch to use whenever you want. Fair is fair. Kill someone, they have a few minutes to try to kill you back.

 

For the record, I don't think passive is "broken." I was saying that the argument that "it's free roam" excuses anything no matter how broken it is. Passive mode is just abusable and exploitable.

 

Finally, I don't find your first argument compelling. Yes, players will always find loopholes and ways to game the system. GTA is more prone to that than most games because it's not designed to be very balanced and it's a complicated game with lots of features and abilities. Nonetheless, I don't see that as a reason to not try to improve it - especially when a proposed improvement is dead simple to implement and should affect almost no one who uses the feature legitimately. People who just want to cruise around and not get killed would barely even notice the change, because they're already not killing other players. To me this idea seems like a no-brainer, and the folks here who vehemently oppose it are trying to read motives into my argument that don't exist.

 

[Red Lynx 23]

Thousand dollar bounties stop passive mode abusers. They'll either leave to survive it in invite only, or stay passive to keep anyone from claiming it.

[Nitty Don]

A cooldown wont fix the problem all that will create is lobby hoping, yes the function can be abused but it's hardly non counterable with a little bit of thinking. You could say the same for a lot of other items, jets, tanks, rockets, dirty racers, etc, none of it is cheating as anyone else could do it and once you know someones intentions is avoidable or countered.

That said I feel sorry for the narrow minded who ONLY play like this for some kdr pride (in a game with the most screwed up stats ever lol) as I think they are missing out on some of the best things this game can offer, doesnt mean I don't enjoy the odd rampage mind you

[Alec Skorpio]

Another day, another passive mode topic...

 

*sigh*

 

That being said, yeah, the one thing they could do is make the cooldown between passive mode longer than 30-60 seconds or whatever it is.

Edited January 16, 2015 by Alec Skorpio

[DopeFresh]

Everyone who complains about passive mode, fails to utilize passive mode and goes on here to complain.

[Misanthrope Z]

Passive mode isn't cheating. It's just a tool people use to cheat.

i wouldn't call it cheating if

 

1: everyone can do it

2: nobody "wins" anything in free roam

 

just the way i look at it

[Dinlee]

 

 

disabling public activities?

 

Lol

 

Like what?

 

getting your haircut?

HPVs, Kill Targets, Crate Drops etc

 

Why would haircuts and shopping be disabled?

 

Think before you speak. Or start up a PM with AM30 and enjoy all the mindless conversation you can stand.

disabling kill targets for people in passive mode is a really good idea actually...so annoying when people in passive manage to shoot npcs...tis a regular occurrence.

 

my goodness I think I lost my one brain cell reading your post.

 

You didn't have a spare brain cell to lose, seeing as how you still aren't fully picking up what I'm lying down.

 

Allow me to break it down further into pieces you can easily digest

 

 

 

 

All Free Roam jobs should be disabled for those in passive mode. They don't get a text, the HPV doesnt show on their mini map and the same thing goes for crate drops and Armored trucks. They simply arent available to passive players

 

Furthermore, even if they manage to make their way to the HPV it will remain locked, when they attempt to steal it and they get a message telling them to first disable Passive.

 

Starting to make a little more sense? Don't be embarrassed, you're a little late to the conversation. We discussed this in depth in a similar thread a week or so ago.

 

I fully agree that Passive is not broken and not cheating, its just being abused and R* needs to address it in-order to rebalance the game. I'm fine with the argument "Its Free Roam pplz gets to do what they wants" so long as its a balanced experience. Every tool has a counter-part. Right now there is no counter to Trolls using passive.

[punishthem420]

Lol i do that all the time to piss off serious players.

 

I am really good in the tank, i dodge rocket launcher like nothing (unless its the homing) and i kill dozens of people. When they come after me i go IN PASSIVE IN MY TANK AND DO 360 BURNOUTS WITH IT!

 

Hilarious!

that sounds more boring then hilarious .

Edited January 16, 2015 by punishthem420